Mary & George [True Story] - Life of King James l of England & His Male Courtiers | George Villiers
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- The Sky/STARZ historical drama, Mary and George TV series exposes the true story gay life of King James I with a focus on George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham , his last, longest and most dangerous of his courtiers. George was groomed by his mother, Mary Villiers, to seduce the gay king but others came before him.
In this documentary video, we will explore all of King James' relationships including the most notorious of them all - that of the kings last, and some say, most dangerous of favorites, George Villiers
We'll answer these questions:
Was King James really gay? 02:40
What about the other of King James' favorites? 09:06
Who were the Villiers? 27:24
Did George Villiers (and his mother Mary) kill King James? 52:03
What happened to George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham?
What happened to Mary Villiers?
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The rules did not apply to him. The rules HE CREATED did not apply to him. When I read about these historical times, often using Shakespeare for reference, it would seem that the Royals behaved like the gods on Mount Olympus. Irrational, even mad behavior, neither "justified" nor rationalized, simply "happened" on a daily basis and no one seemed to pay any attention. Behavior without consequences. QUERY: Did the so-called "common people" simply accept their rulers' behavior and double standards prima facie? Did the people not perceive their rulers as human beings just like themselves? Obviously, Shakespeare did, and he reveled in it. Where was the "disconnect" in the minds of the common people? It's as if a big chunk of analytical , judgmental thought--or the capacity for it--was absent from the brains and minds of the common people. What explains this? It would also seem that the extreme primitiveness of their economy and the absence of science were also symptomatic of this specific type of retardation. What was the "X Factor"? The plague? I'm genuinely curious.
After the death of Henry VIII, the Greek oligarchy orchestrated a silent coup and installed an anonymous man known as the "Virgin Queen" for obvious reasons - men can't give birth. Henry VIII is hated because he paid his loans to the Greek oligarchy by confiscating their properties. This is why they took over and created a fake dynasty of hired impostors subservient to them, to this day. This was the beginning of the "new" Greek Empire, euphemistically known as "the British".
🤢 his poor wife
King James was gay in preference and bisexual in actions for reasons of the need for progeny to continue the lineage.
Well - put 👍 Thanks for joining the conversation!
Wow! What a wonderful and comprehensively told story of King James 1st of England and of his court and courtiers with all the attendant courtly intrigues explored among players of the Jacobean court? Such a fascinating picture thoroughly explained of those times. Thank you 🙂
Thank you for the positive feedback. Helps me to stay motivated😊
One of my ancestors,Nicholas Felton was a bible translator and personal clergy to king James. Another one of my ancestors ,John Felton was the brother of Nicholas and the assassin of Villiers.
Oh wow. That's interesting! Thanks for sharing!
And?
It very fascinating that you can trace your ancestors so far back to be related to some of these people. I really enjoyed reading watching documentaries and movies doing those days. Iam like to know and learned everything about history it doesn't matter if it about Great Britain Royals Ancient Roman Egypt or even American History etc., Even though a lot things in history had a very ugly dark past were absolutely mean vile cruel barbaric racism slavery inhumane towards so many different people in all countries. But I just like to know everything I can about every country history.
By any chance is Mark Felton a relative of yours and these ancestors of yours
I think he became the first lead guitarist for Bloodwin Pig in the mid sixties.
Very Well Done! I'm impressed! Very helpul in my own research.
Glad you liked it and that it helped!
I would highly caution not to use television shows as a method of research. Movies take liberties with facts and stretch them to make them more interesting.
'Mary and George' was a vehicle for sexy and shallow entertainment and the actor miscast as George Villiers was awful. Too bad because it is an interesting story all on its own, as is most of history.
Although the facts speak for themselves...he was taking these men to bed with him and rewarding them with gifts. Had he been doing it to a woman everyone would have no problem believing it to be true. Isn't that strange?
Those boys got stretched!!
Well some Kings were bound to be homosexual, William III (of Orange) was also gay. The Royal Court probably didn’t care as long as he produced an heir and a spare.
By all accounts Richard I, the Lionheart was gay as well.
King James the6th/and the 1st was 6parts gay and 1part king. He was gay outwardly because he was king. He had power and riches so he lived slightly above society. But, He was sly as a fox and used politics and religion to manage public opinion/ the press. As the monarch does to this day...He was and still is the master hypocrite who s bible translation is used to persecute gays and all LGBTQ...people. Thank you for this documentary...
You make a good point about the use of religion and politics for good PR while he lived and did what he wanted behind closed doors. Thanks for joining the conversation! P.S. You are welcome for the video. :)
Homosexuality is old as the lava that sprews from volcanos
And the glorious lava that the men themselves spewed.
You got that right!
@@watthaile2053 Exactly! heterosexual status quo supported and barricaded by Abrahamic Chistendom, hás buried, continue to bury the major contributions good and bad of homosexual historical figures to name a few Julius César, Abraham Lincoln, Adolf Hitler, Michelangelo. The list is most likely longer, as King James l.
@@tyronevincent1368 oh please
@tyronevincent1368 some of your examples (such as Julius Caesar) were bisexual rather than gay. He was known by his critics as "every woman's husband - and every man's wife"
I read somewhere that King James was just into feminine men and women.
No one ever mentions the fact he sometimes slept with ladys at the court because they concentrate on his relationships with men.
The man was a post man and never the post box, ill just leave it like that 😂
He would be considered bisexual by today's standards, but his preference was for attractive young men and married in order to produce heirs to the throne.
The series of the family has been great. His attacks on looking for the King went very back and forth. I king in what ever manner returned faith
I was always of the impression that Scots Jimmy danced at both ends of the ballroom.
Another great video. I appreciate the research and this video is topnotch! Keep it up and I'll keep coming back 👍👍
Glad to see you liked it!
I just watched the first hour of the show and I have to say it looks like it's going to be a good one. I'll keep coming back to your video to keep track of things. Thanks.
Wait until you see the other episodes. This show really rocks!
Thanks so much. Your channel was a “stumbled on” for me and I’m really enjoying it. Much appreciated :-)
Welcome! Thanks for being here!
Very well researched. I truly appreciate the completeness.
Thank you very much. I am making longer video (even though they are very tough to make.) It's great to have your feedback on this.
This is a TV entertainment not history. Scots will not like it even English who learned history at school will tell you it is entertainment .
Yet, the show is accurate in so many ways. Not so much about Mary Villiers but about James and his courtiers. Yes it is. About the sex? Hard to say- but the fact that he had coutiers that he favored and was intimate with (at least emotionally) is documented in historical records. Thanks for joining the conversation!
To everyone who keeps saying James was black...read a real history book! If you have no clue about the history of this time period and the real people involved then you have no idea what you're talking about. James I, King of England, aka James VI of Scotland, was white. His parents--Mary Queen of Scots and Lord Darnley--who were cousins--were white. Their parents were white. Their children were white.
If you want to honor black people in history then actually honor black people in history, don't just make stuff up and get mad when anyone with any historical knowledge tells you the truth.
On a kinder note, as usual, this channel is excellent!
I legitimately feel sorry for James, especially when he was young. He had an absolutely terrible childhood and young adulthood--his mother was accused of ordering his father's murder, yet James was raised and brainwashed by the same men who plotted the murder of his father, the overthrow, imprisonment, and later execution of his mother because of the political and religious climate of the time. No wonder he was paranoid about witches, his tutors had really pulled a number on him. As soon as he found a father-figure or regent, the regent was murdered or kidnapped him. He was a pawn from day one. He thought becoming King of England would free him, but it only brought him another set of problems. He's so underrated! I don't think historians have given him a fair shake, when you look at his early life and the political context he was raised in, suddenly his behavior in the second portion of his life makes more sense. All the Stuarts are incredibly underrated and deserve more attention in non-fiction and fiction!
Exactly. Some of them are desperate to black wash white history cuz they feel insecure about their own... It makes me sad, with all the other real black beautiful history there is, and they choose to do this :(
Indeed! Thank you.
Court intrigues were really awful, and possibly may have included murder and poisonings. I would not have wanted to be a courtier!
Yes, watch to the end to see where murder and poisonings happen. Thanks for joining the conversation!
You certainly walked a dangerous tightrope. Henry VIII and his predecessors showed how fast you could go from "best friend" to the chopping block. I never have seen the "glamour" of hanging out near the king. That's probably because I know a lot of history to see the reality. You could say its the price they pay for their 15 minutes of fame.
You said James was in his 70's when he died, but he was born June 19, 1566 and died March 27, 1625. That makes him 59.
They left this part out at Sabbath School.
What part is that?
Is this the King James associated with the revision to the King James Bible.???
Yes, this is the same King James who translated the King James Version of the bible.
James the sixth and first did not translate the bible from Latin to Old English but he did commission the translation by the clergy.
Yep. Thanks for joining the conversation!
I wonder how all the theologians of the world felt about the KJV being named after a gay man?
Yep. Bring this up to devout Christians and watch them get awkward and dismissive.
I think we'd call King James sexually fluid. The need for heirs was what drove him to Mary. But 5 heirs? That seems to indicate he liked it.
we're they all his or his on paper? grinz 😊 that is why in British law children are referred to as 'children of the marriage'. Meaning, husband's quietly accepted a child may not be his biologically but the quiet agreement he would raise and pass name/title. DNA is where blood proof lies yet, even with that, if it is kept secret, the child of the marriage law applies to this day. Carried over into north American law to this day.
Marry is a verb, while Mary is the name of James’ mother (and a whole heck of a lot of other women throughout history).
Very good narrator. The research was thorough and well presented. I read The King’s Assassin which is a very good book. This video leaves nothing to be desired in relation to the book.
Thank you very much!
This era should’ve been called “Californian-era”🎉
He obviously swung his royal pendulum both ways.
Thanks for joining the conversation!
You did a good job on this. Excellent research. You must have a full production machine. I used to make videos for youtube and I know it takes a lot of work and dedication. Keep going. I like your channel.
It really does take a lot of work. I don't have a team (I do it all from research to the final product). It's just me and it took me 3 weeks with only 2 days off to make this video. Research on royals is tough what with everyone having the same name and the intermingling of royals marrying royals. But, I am a research nut and I like the creative part of making the visuals so thanks for your feedback. It is most helpful!
There is a raging lack of understanding of cultural mores of the 16/17th century, for example, Queen Elizabeth of England slept with one of her female servants at night. Kissing a person of the same sex is, to this day, a European wide convention that does not reflect a person's sexuality and although the convention has fallen off in England, James was raised in Scotland which at that time identified far more with Europe than it did with England, a country which James viewed as a source of increased revenue. James was raised in the society of men exclusively all the way through his childhood and was more comfortable with men in general. That said, he enjoyed men more than women but his seven children reflect 1} his understanding that despite being a king by the divine right of God his principal task was to father heirs which he did with no small vigour and 2} he obviously derived more pleasure of congress with men more than women, he was probably more correctly bi-sexual, I don't believe that his own strict protestant upbringing would have allowed him to wholly embrace the notion of the homosexual side of his nature completely. This is a period of history when men wore just as much makeup as women and whose heels were as high, they were powdered and laced peacocks.
Good commentary. Thanks for joining the conversation!
James would have escaped comment had he only indulged in the conventional intimacies with his male favourites.
Elizabeth was never accused of being lesbian merely for sharing a room or a bed with another woman.
Then again she didn't exchange steamy letters with them or heap undeserved honours or power on them.
She did with certain male favourites, so was accused of having affairs with them and not women. Unlike, say, Queen Christina of Sweden.
Very insightful
Fishing buddies.
But they only fished in a bed.
He was not gay he was bi and very happily married to his wife for many years
Because----- he had other outlets for his passions, perhaps????
Hi From The Sky 💫
This is very interesting. How historically correct is it? It could become a fascinating soap-opera on television.
I think King James was bisexual according to what we would “label” it today.
Thanks for joining the conversation!
There’s a notion among Renaissance monarchs to see themselves as without sin or blame because they were chosen by God, and God would not choose a sinful person as monarch. Therefore, there was one set of rules for the monarch and one for everyone else.
Learning about Buckingham from Alexandre Dumas and learning about him via history books is a vastly different experience!
One of my favorite lines, from any movie, is in Shawshank when Andy is correcting the pronunciation of the name of author of 'The 3 Musketeers'!
Absolutely hilarious! And in a movie without much hilarity in it!
It's the old, 'I'm not gay but, come on, £20 IS £20!
(Translation: I'm not gay but $20 is $20!!!)
A line as old as the hills. But it is as relevant now as it was then!
😂
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Phillip Herbert, Earl of Montgomery seems to have suffered from PTSD from the forced grooming and SA he endured at the behest of the King. Explains his angry and hedonistic lifestyle as an adult, even with all the gifts of land and titles bestowed upon him.
That's a great addition to this topic. Thanks for sharing!
But yet y’all love the kids James version.. he was in love with Shakespeare
As a Queer woman I don’t care if King James was gay or bi. He was obsessed with witch hunting. He is also responsible for the King James Bible which was used to justify colonialism, hunting Women and homosexuals
Yes. Also,there are at least 5000 translation errors in KJV Bible per Dr. Bart Erhman, chairman Theology Dept. UNC Chapel Hill
@@elainegoad9777 It all were errors some were on purpose - they held councils on it. Not that any of it was anything other than a story for Rome to co trial the masses
Never thought about that! I think it is time to expose him for the hypocrite that he was!! You know what they say, "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....it must be a duck"!!
I believe he was bi when he was young but was gay after age 30. That is very common for lots of men that come out later in life. They always felt deep down they were gay but tried to convince themselves otherwise, forcing themselves not to believe it, or thinking they can conquer it...they get married young, have lots of kids....and eventually come out to their families saying they can no longer live that lie. Others stay in the closet and finds clandestine ways to fulfill those urges. In the old days they didn't have access to porn or gay porn. A lot of young people are coming out now as they seen gay porn on their phones and instantly recognize it, as what their desires are. Lots of societies like in India allowed for the 'third gender' until the British arrived and criminalized it. And it makes sense now when you consider that Hinduism does have both male and female Gods.
Wowww what is the point of commenting when u are empty, ignorant & hateful? Thank you OP for this wonderful documentary! It was well researched & well informed. Of the droves of ignorant homophobic zealots here, there are still open minded educated people who appreciate some good history. To me it made me think Wow not only women slept their way to the top! In the end we are all equal hehe. Bless ya!
@mytrp7616 Thank you for the positive feedback and commentary on the comments. This topic is a hot one for sure!
Funny how ppl think he wrote the Bible & his lifestyle was not in line
A very informative video. Interesting to see then vs now point of view on sexuality. A modern interpretation could easily be seen as King James and his relations with his courtiers (especially George) would edge on bisexuality---both men were able to perform sexually with females and sire children, an act that a truly gay man would not be able to perform several times over to produce heirs.
Thanks for the feedback and adding to the conversation!
There is no way to prove that his " progeny" we're his. In other words, someone may have " had it in for him! "
Uh... I know gay men who have have sex with women & produced children. & especially during THAT time period these gay men would've been strongly suggested to beget heirs by societal norms, especially royalty.
How can bestow titles in 1581 when Queen Elizabeth the first died in 1603🤔...I'm confused 😕
Because they were Scottish titles. He was James VI of Scotland at age 18 months. So in 1581 he bestowed titles as the King of Scotland. He became King of England in 1603.
He was James KING OF SCOTS, not “King of Scotland”. As his mother was Mary, Queen of Scots. It matters to this day to use the correct title, because in England sovereignty belongs to the crown and everyone was answerable to the wearer. In Scotland sovereignty belongs to the people, and the monarch is answerable to the people. One is a King of a land, the source of all power, “by divine appointment of God”. The other is only a king as long as his people consent to be ruled by him. James’s own mother, Mary Queen of Scots, was forced to abdicate in his favour after she lost the respect of those she ruled.
That is why to this day there is no such thing as UK law. There is Scots law and English law which forever remain separate, because their fundamental bases and values are diametrically opposite and irreconcilable.
Thank you for that additional information. It's always nice to hear from those who have first hand knowledge.
@@fabulouswomeninhistory You're welcome. Thanks for the acknowledgement. All the best!
Thank you. I have US citizenship, but still an identifiably Scots tongue. I do not like the phrase "United Kingdom". I prefer "Britain". Who on Earth wants to be UKKish?
@@cato1684 Please stop trying to rewrite Scottish history to fit a foreign narrative. Read my post. The explanation is there. Our historic social structure was tribal, not feudal. The king was king of the people, not the geographic region they lived in.
@eaglerider11 I shadow banned @cato1684 so her post is not showing. I shadow ban most everyone (I let a few of the really stupid ones who are good for a laugh) slip by ) who is disrespectful to me and to others who are here for healthy debate & discourse. I thank you again for your contribution to this topic as I am always grateful to learn more when presented in a positive way as you have done.
19:05 - Now that’s what I call a lucky break!
Sound like P. Diddy and Usher, Beiber and the rest.
Did anyone remember King Ludwig from Bavaria ?😂
Well hung crew. That's how the Kings stable of well endowed attractive young men was described as in the series. Glad that the series isn't shying away from the lifestyle King James led and as King who would dare to criticize him without fear of being hanged?
I am also glad that the series is not following the same old tripe of playing up a royal's virtues and ignoring the reality in which same sex love happens all the time and throughout history. Thanks for joining the conversation!
The same modus operandi of attractive male specimens are well documented during the Third Reich amongst Hitler's (Also closeted gay male) requirement of his SS henchmen. Male and physically attractive were prerequistes for their employment
Nice addition to the conversation.
Yup, sounds like a truely enlightened king, who led by example--- for once.
Not edict!
Much like dictators. If the dictator is good, kind, understanding---- what's the problem? They get things done, quickly and efficiently!
If the dictator is a miserable, nasty, selfish, Neanderthal type---- life is going to be tough--- on everyone!
Being a dictator isn't inheritently bad but how the role is realized and put into action determines how he is seen.
King James was a very cool and interesting guy, way, way, way ahead of his time! And in so many ways!!! A modern, practical dude, marching to his own drummers!
Bravo, king!!! Bravo!!!
And down with troglodytes!!!!!!
Superb video. I have already watched the entire series and I have to say that it was so fast paced and literally jumped all over the pace that I couldn't keep track of what was happening. Your video helped me make sense of all of it. Makes me want to go back and watch it again now that I have the history behind what was happening. I absolutely love the show. I couldn't get enough of the s*e*x scenes ( and I'm not even gay or a guy), Nicholas Galitzine is soooo beautiful. I couldn't keep my off him and it didn't even matter who he was bonking! THanks so much for your well researched and nicely done video!
Thank you for the feedback. I'm glad it helped you sort out the show. That's why I do this channel!
Be careful! Don't get sucked into this way of life .
@@mavisemberson8737oh Lawd, don't turn into no Pre Vert. 😂
The idea of "homosexuality" in the 16th century was quite different from what is considered "homosexuality" in the 21st century. In fact, "homosexuality" was not even a known possibility. Sexual partners could be either sex, and not a great deal was thought about it other than just that -- a sexual partner.
16th century was peak HRE, Catholic/ Protestant Reformation, and the adoption of Pergatory as a place purification from the perversions of humanity before entrance into the heavens ….. not to mention directly after siphylis ran rampant throughout Europe a STD ….. I don’t think these whimps were even sleeping in the same beds anymore let alone being cool enuff to have a boyfriend and a wife lol !!!!!!
53:28 King James 1st was 58yrs old when he died not 70
You know it is such a funny thing (to me) that I had an intuition that 70 years old was not right but when I make the videos, I get into production mode and have to keep going with finding the right pictures and stock video and recording the voice over for the script(and in this case, having to research so many different historical figures) that I don't always take the time to listen to my intuition. Of course, it catches up with me as this did. Thank you for the correction.
Oh he was definitely gay
Maybe not so much as a young adult with his wife but he was def more gay
This doesn't indicate bi-sexual. I had a friend that was gay that had women to hide it. He finally confessed all to me. I miss him
Aids......😢
King James l was married at 23 and fathered 8 children with his wife,they remained married until her death.
2:17 Sounds like a jealousy. Didn't want his male lovers to have a wandering eye.
Love is love
2:10 "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." 😉
- Shakespeare
What I find interesting is he followed in his father’s footsteps even though he never had any influence from his father
It was genetic!
Damn it seems every king of europe had a boy lover, so incredibly obvious too.
Who didn't?
So????
And amazingly, civilization made it through!!! Well, Hurray!!!!
Seems the kings were on to something, as in enjoying ALL that life has to offer, no matter from whence it came!
Life is a smorgasbord-buffet with 99% of the folks starving to death because they don't want to try something new to them. 'It looks yucky!'
Whatever!
When I climb into my coffin I'm going to have a few bumps, bruises and scars! Might even be missing a few bits and pieces. Who cares!!!?? I want to see as much as I can, and to live life as fully as I can. Not sit in the same job, no matter how exciting or boring, or in the same pile of bricks and lumber for 60 years, looking out the window at ????.
Not for me!
I might be 'over the hill'. That's fine! Because 'I'm picking up speed' as i go!!!
Go live your life, and grab with both hands!!! (Just not like trump does! Or Weinstein, either!!! UGH!!!!! Just UGH!!!)
@@PsulOrtizhow dare you say that about our Orange Jesus who is selling King James' Bibles! 😅 Orange Jesus was busy with a porn star and a playboy bunny while his wife was home nursing his son. And now he screams about being kept from attending this same son's graduation!!! We love our Orange Jesus because we are just like him!
A series about Frances Coke would also be really interesting.
The English gay king!!!
WHAT!!! ANOTHER ONE!!!?????
Makes you wonder just how 'the line' could keep going, without backing up some!
Or was that the whole point? To back up, enough, to make it all work?
Somehow or other!
Can there be a video of the descendants?
Should be titled, “King James, the Gay King”
The Tricolor flying in Bourbon France? Come on.
Come on....
This narrator sounds like Annie Elise!😶
Nope not her but thanks for the compliment.
I trust you are being sarcastic?
If not please remember that this was a good few thousand years after Egypt's heyday. There is an ocean of pictures and writings to confirm that he was a
not very attractive Scotsman.
Queen Scota 😉
A bunch of weirdos And there were also children, I bet. These behaviors spilled into other countries ..
Hypocrite Royal
Never heard this story
King James in my opinion was bisexual
I like in the show where they say bodies are just bodies. That would fit under the identity of fluid in today's terms. In a way, I don't think any of it is any more clear cut today than it was back then, for sure. Thanks for letting us know what you think. I like when my videos spark conversation about topics at hand. THanks again!
True
No Shirt, Shearluck.🙄🫣🤭
Agree he fulfilled hiz duty by having off spring with his wife but preferred young attracted men more
He needed a father abd he he hated and envied women. Sad and Disgusting
A glimpse of court leotards was all it took
When kings held ultimate power over other people, homosexuality and heterosexuality were simply not recognized as such. Sex did not garner the knowledge or importance we shackle ourselves with today. When you are a being chosen by God, everything you do is proper and excusable. In the 16th and 17th centuries men dressed and strutted like peacocks, and sexual intercourse was endemic. We modern people have dissected and labeled everything from the atom to the galaxies. Unfortunately, we have also categorized sexual identities that didn't factor in that time period. And as far as the lowly peasant was concerned? It is no accident that bestiality was a common accusation in rural courts. Nothing was judged as evil by the lowest class since they were undocumented nobodies and did what they wanted as long as it offered an hour of physical relief from their short dreary lives.
Thank you for that enlightened commentary and thanks for joining the conversation!
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Thanks!
It is known to this day as the Crown can do no long and the King James's father was gay
oh yeah
What did Queen Anne of Denmark think of all this??🤔🤫🧐🙄
We know that queen anne was as concerned about the scottish courtiers as was parliament but I did not find any valid research that indicated she was okay with the kings attachment to his prime favorites per se. I am going to do a video on her and will dig into this question more so thanks for asking. Stay tuned for my video and thanks for joining the conversation!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory I'm pretty sure even though she likely kept it to herself, if she did,she couldn't have been any less disappointed about his immoral behavior than Queen Isabella of France did 3 centuries earlier with the same behavior her husband Edward II was doing with Piers Galveston and Hugh Despenser the younger.
Yes, this story is as old as civilization.
@@fabulouswomeninhistory she couldn't have been comfortable with it.
@@onagaali2024the comparison might not be as apt as it might seem.
Edward II foolishly let his favourites upstage the queen - in public. James was much more circumspect when it came to his queen. He was older when he let his favourites rule the court. His marriage began with him being publicly concerned about 'witches threatening their marriage'.
What I mean to say is that both marriages where different from each other - and thusly the assumed reactions of the respective queen towards their husband's male lovers. Edward flaunted his lovers and humiliated his queen (and his barons) in public. Plus, Isabella was a proud and status-conscious princess from France. She would have detested Edward's behaviour towards her and his nobility. Immoral or otherwise. Her lover was executed by her son because Mortimer behaved way above his station and undermined Edward III's power.
Edward II is still known as a weak king because he let his favourites rule the court.
James I/VI, however, is not.
We know what Isabella did against her husband, Anne, however, supported her husband in his position as ruler.
Totally 😉
It was her father's fault that she "had no successor". A virgin queen is as useless in that respect as a homosexual king.
But James VI *_King of the Scots_* did indeed become an Englishman when as King of England he demanded also to be Head of the Church of England, as the bullying Henry VIII had made himself. England was dead lucky that the first husband of James's mother Mary, died before she produced an heir to the French throne.
Henry VIII never expected Elizabeth to become queen. He had Edward to succeed him, whom he fully expected to have children. He had no way to forsee that Edward would die young. Elizabeth was a distant and very unlikely 3rd in line for the throne. All that aside tho, Elizabeth was betrothed twice as a child, but Henry broke the first betrothal and the 2nd boy died young. The supposition that it was Henry's fault Elizabeth never married is unfounded. Plus all of her advisors pressed relentlessly for her to marry once she took the throne, parading endless suitors before her, all of which she turned down.
@@meemurthelemur4811----smart lady! Why share power with a woman hating philistine!
Studs are dime a dozen! Just look around you!
@@PsulOrtiznot just smart, Elizabeth was brilliant. She knew her fate should she marry at a time when men were openly hostile to women. Elizabeth was a capable leader who gave her people decades of stability. The unpopular reign of James made the British long for their queen and her Golden Age.
@@meemurthelemur4811We know.
I called them Butt buddies 😂.
By the way, this is the same King James of Bible commissioning fame. He also banned the words tyrant and tyranny from the translation of the Bible because he knew he was a tyrant.
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That sounds apocryphal to me. Sources please.
2:30. Nah. He was just so deeply in that closet , that the doorknob was no where near him... to know there was a door knob to open to come out in. Or He just didn’t care.
I'm not certain if a Monarch, who since Henry the Vlll, was head of the Church of England, would be subject to the same rules or lables as a commoner or Peasant class. Monarch's then were typically "above the rules" since they made them. Still I can understand why the King would take on male courtiers. IT was certainly an expedient way of avoiding illegitimate children and preserve the rights and privileges of the Monarch's true heirs and didn't disrupt the line of succession. Since those marriages were typically arranged; I think, who cares really what their orientation really is anyway. It was kind of part of the whole scene. Cheers from NYC!!
In a way, I agree with "what their orientation really is" but since it is still today, not normalized...well, then we will continue talk about it for sure. Thanks for joining the conversation!
There were numerous courts with varying rules of procedure, jurisdiction, standards of evidence and exemptions to members of various classes. Often, the jurisdiction of the varying courts overlapped. The church had ecclesiastical courts which often claimed parallel jurisdiction in certain criminal offenses.
All of this is to say that some people are more equal than others. In general, peasants were cannon fodder and had the status of cattle. Criminal laws applied to the common rabble. Titled nobility and personages of rank and wealth ranked above sheriffs and thus were, for practical purposes, exempt from being charged or arrested as their conduct was unlikely to be detected or reported. Being appointed by the monarch, sheriffs understood the risks of ruffling feathers.
59:24 they were merely playacting at being homosexuals. What? What?!?
Totally gay… he could have any aged man for companionship. He chose pretty fancy pants boys.
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Loved men but as a husband he fathered 8 children. Maybe bisexual or adored his favourites without actual sex.
His father Lord Dundley was also bisexual.
Lord Darnley?
@BoojeeRedneck yes I did a little research about him a longtime ago. Yes he had sexual relations with both men and women before he had met Queen Mary and after he had married her. He stayed drunk all the time and was very wild and promiscuous it didn't matter to him He was also a very mean and cruel selfish entitled person who only cares about himself only . That was Mary biggest downfall she should had got to know first and not rush into a marriage with him. Had she done that she would had got to know the real him first She didn't know this man long enough to find out if he compatable and make a good husband for her. And turned down his marriage proposal and send him back home to England He was a very deranged controlling jealous dangerous psychopath it a damn shame he wasn't charged up and arrested for brutally slaughtering Queen Mary's male friend who wasn't no threat to Lord Darnley nothing but a friend to Queen Mary I also heard her male friend I don't know if it was really true or not that he was a gay man .
Ah, the Lord Dundley who was fond of dundling comely courtiers or Darnley who was the champion of Sewing tournaments?
(Sorry, couldn't resist it.)
These britts
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and QUEEN ANNE tolerated it
I think in that day it wasn’t seen to be homosexaual/gays, but shinning a light from our day then the definition would be the same. There has always been a difference between the royal divide... However, he wasn't known for educating about social stigma.
When a person can't speak for themselves I believe very little what I hear about them good or bad
He literally left receipts.
Does that include Hitler? Just wondering. How about Stalin? Ronald Reagan? Jesus? Any of your deceased family members? How on Earth does one go about conducting criminal trials based on your way of thinking? Just wondering. Nobody said you have to believe everything you’re told, but if there’s evidence to support it, and you dismiss it anyway, aren’t you then the one with faulty reasoning?
@@nuthinmuffins5073 Hilter left an open book
There can be no doubt, James was bisexual
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Adopted sovereign
Publisher monarchy’s text
Crowned restoration
#haiku #monarchy #kingjames
So the only way to get rich was and still is by good luck. What horrible lives all people have always had, rich and poor.
I love a good historical drama as much as anyone. Never thought of myself as a prude as I’m not.
Found myself fast forwarding through at the least 3-4 extremely explicit same sex both sex scenes in each episode. Having missed 3/4 of each episode thus far haven’t a clue what else happened at this point. Endless to say
the art of suggestion would’ve went a really long way, if they had bothered to use it.
Personal maturity and an average level of sophistication are all that is required. It is nothing to 'clutch the pearls' about.
Wah, gay kings? He was small change compared to a couple of others.
A pearl earring?
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Did the necklace come with
7 children could have been fathered by other men on his behalf
Or he could have used a turkey baster
Public record he was the father. Anne lamented that was the only times he paid attention to her and she felt neglected and jealous of his male "companions".
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Obviously the rumored homosexual relationship was just the lords trying to slander because they were upset about the influential relationship. If the king had 7 children he obviously was not gay. You could question it if there were 1 or 2 children but 7 tells a different story.
You can have children being gay, that doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s happened before. AKA Caitlin Jenner?
your father had a kid and is prob european and gay like all his ancestors.
This is totally without any understanding of British history or context . Reeling off some names is meaningless. Adding in modern interpretation is ridiculous as so much is left out . Needs to go way back in European society studies.
Boy ...the stuff we find out....
It sounds like he became James and Jane simultaneously