BREAKINGđ„Karen Read jurors contact defenseđ„Motion to Dismissđ„with Mark Bederow, Esq
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So Brian Albert can sit there and be intimidating jurors, but Turtleboy COULDN'T sit in media box reporting because the Alberts felt intimidated? Strange...
@@nellyvieira9496 đŻ
Clearly, not intimidated enough to sit directly in front of him, inches away, as they intimidated the jury.
Rampart Corruption IN PLAIN SIGHT!!
Yes... so disingenuous
@@LCMxoxcan you drop a link?
Michael Proctor suspended WITHOUT PAY at his hearing today!
Thank you. That is good news.
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Not fired?
Nice, he should have been suspended without pay a long time ago, and his pension should be gone aswell, but glad he is finally reaping his consequences.
@@cristipratt2844nope !
How many innocent ppl in prison who didnât have this attention & money?! đą
Not sure, but Karen worked very hard for her money and was smart enough to amass a savings.
@@516Chicktalk about rainy days! Amazing story she has at her age!
Many, Look at how many released from Death Row alone.
I think we can agree that Karen has earned her resources AND that certainly this corrupt system has put innocent people in a cage because they lacked the resources Karen has.
I think the Judge's instructions confused the jurors
Whatâs worse is that the whole jury felt intimidated by the Alberts
How much do you want to bet the Alberts/Jen/Colin interpret being called âintimidating,â a compliment. I think hearing that type of thing brings them JOY! Sick!
@@annhank128 I caught that right away! I said that when I saw them there⊠brought in to intimidate the jury! Should never have been allowed!
@@KatherineGoodsell of course
If you can murder a cop and frame an innocent woman
Why not whack a juror ?
Allegedly
@@KatherineGoodsell Surely that shouldnât have been allowed. The judge banned Adrian from the courtroom for awhile.
@@KatherineGoodsell They mentioned that in the affidavit from yesterday?
Only the defense searched for the truth of what happened to john okeefe.
Very good point!
Auntie bev needs to be disbarred.
And then arrested!
The Alberts and Jenn McCabe should NOT have been allowed into the court room on the last day of the trial. They should have been removed because there was a chance (and probably so) that their presence intimidated some of the jurors.
I agree - that was disgusting.
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I agree did you see the look on their faces they were intimidating to say the least
Totally agree
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I truly canât understand how a juror could persist in thinking JO was hit by a car. Why do they think Trooper Paul was more reliable than multiple physicists and MDs?
Most of the population assume if youâre being Prosecuted itâs because youâre guilty of something obviously. This is so unfortunate and this is the perfect case to prove wrong think!
I agree. Scientific facts prove it did not happen but it seems some of the jurors seem to be going on emotions and not facts which they are NOT suppose to do. But it happens. Now what? They should dismiss all charges but will never do for fear that would be admitting guilt on the CW part. So corrupt!
@@vamck trooper Paul likely had a very low GPA for his AA degree. You should have to graduate from college or have the equivalent in physics, math, ethicsâŠLetâs be clear, Trooper Paul is not an expert in anything!
It wouldn't surprise me if the jury was tainted.
The jurors are likely âsplitting the babyâ due to the human desire to hold someone accountable. In hindsight, Jackson should have cautioned in his close against trying to solve the death.
Bev wonât dismiss. She wants Karen to be guilty.
Because if Karen is found not guilty then her bffâs become the main targets and she doesnât want that.
Which is why a proper judge should have recused herself. This is horrifying
I think this might be out of Bev''s hands on a deeper level .. She is looking real bad.
Judge Bev may have to take an early retirementâŠwithout honor.
@@deeandrew38Because you have to be a proper judge
Note to self: if you ever need good defense attorneys, itâs going to cost you millions. Itâs not the charges you need to fight, but the system.
Melanie Little only charges $500 an hour. đ
@@user-ix7se4lb3s thatâs actually not too bad for a criminal defense lawyer.
@@45square Melanie is a bargain. Imagine what Jackson and Yanetti charged?
@user-ix7se4lb3s I'm sure Jackson was a lot more, Pro Hac Vice attorneys charge a lot more than a local attorneys. I have no clue what she paid. But I'm sure she paid a lot.
Morrissey, Lally, Higgins, Brian Albert, that pathetic Beverly, that pathetic female police chief from Canton..The list of corrupted officials in that area is huge.
Exactly! Its freightening đź
Letâs donât leave out Connolly. đđ
I agree All of Bostonâs suburbia areas and more.
I wonder how many innocent people these people have put in prison because of their disgusting corrupt tactics?
@@KayInMaine
Or dead because of them. We know Sandra Birchmore
Dirty Bev, dirty DA, dirty cops
Yes! Itâs truly astonishing how ALL of these POS seemed to be colluding against Karen Read.đ€šđł
SAN ANTONIO, BEXAR COUNTY ,TEXAS SAME TYPE OF CROOKS!
God help the lawyer that has to cross examine Jackson.
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Please tell me it wouldnât be Lally đłđŽ. On the other hand, that might be fun to watch! đżđ„€
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@@calmcbride2975 I can't imagine any sane attorney signing up for that job. Other than Lally because we already know he hates himself and has no integrity. But it would almost be cruel to watch Lally try to question Jackson, or Yanetti for that matter. He would have to rip 15 butts before court to gear up for that, each witness đŹ
Oh my gosh, I can't wait!
From the moment she took this case out of rotation, her refusal to drop the charges with tons of reasons to drop it, her bias, her nauseating rudeness to the defense, I knew bev was not only conflicted but corrupt
Thank you, Melanie and Mark for walking us through this bog. I cannot wrap my head around how absurd this whole thing is. The judge needs to be brought up before the Bar or whatever watchdog committee is responsible for reigning in stupid judges.
I'm wondering what mishap will happen next
Just when you think this case couldnât get any wilder!! Iâm speechless ⊠this only add fuel to the fire of there being a conspiracy- Iâd love to be a fly on the wall of the mcalberts homes when this dropped!!
Gov. Healy really needs to clean house. The corruption runs deep and is disgusting.
đŻ absolutely agree
It infuriates me so bad that the real killers are still walking the streets they have to find justice for John OâKeefe we all know what happened and hopefully the truth comes out soon Karen Reid did not kill him. I really hope the FBI is investigating the Albert Collins, etc. etc. they canât just let these people walk away free they all need to be put in prison where they all fucking belong. Theyâre a bunch of animals.
Leadership starts from the top. Let's see what Governor Healy does. The laws itself is corrupted. How can you convict KR. The evidence continues to show her innocence. The witnesses in my opinion was the worse clown show ever. The judge in my opinion and it ain't humble. Bev allowed so much side bars/sustain. I want counsel in my office to throw the jury off. You had the families and friends in the court. It couldn't get any worse. Whatever went sidewards for Bev went sidewards.
I agree. What the bell is wrong with her?
â@@ainokea911chief Rafferty as well
That prosecutor needs to go to jail himself for suborning perjury to start with!
..and second for having a personality of a mushy avocado
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And Brian Albert gets 9 thou a month in pension payments
â@maryblais7791 that is disgusting. He is disgusting.
@@maryblais7791 outrageous đĄ
I believe the judge was in a big hurry to call a mistrial rather than not guilty of second degree murder!
Bev needed her Holiday vacation.
@@Cathy1223 That judge irked me đŁ
Hmmm as much as I donât think aunty Bev was great, I donât think she was going to be able to change their minds. Listening to lawtube, thatâs all I can go by, many had not heard such strong language from a jury regarding being deadlocked so I think she had no choice!
@@Carryonandlaugh that is because they tried telling her multiple times before.
@@letmework6254 true and listening to the request in this video and the wonderful Melanie and Mark, it does indeed seem this may be destined for bigger implications. Like I said, Iâm no fan of Bev and this video doesnât do anything to make me inclined to think Bev acted in fairness. It will be interesting.
Iâve watched hundreds of trials. This trial was ran by one of the most incompetent and apathetic judges Iâve seen.
Not incompetent and apathetic.
Quite the opposite.
Corrupt Cannone was quite invested, interested and emotionally involved.
And she was also fairly clever - but not as clever as she needed to be. Her hubris and brazenness exposed her.
@@Trevlee74 Sheâs very smart and sheâs got too much power. You canât say that sheâs incompetent anything but?
Attorney Martin Weinberg has just signed on with the Karen Read defense team. Weinberg is best know for defending those charged with political corruption and Rico charges. Morrissey missed the boat getting him on a retainer.
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Is it true? Wow!! Good pple are rising and realising how messed up this is...n I'm speaking from another country
I don't want it to go to a pretrial,but if she has the best defense again it will be a not guilty
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Excellent. He will know the ins-and-outs like the back of his hand. They will not be able to get away with much. I am beginning to wonder if the Feds are paying the defense fees so this mess actually plays out in public and the depth of corruption is revealed/becomes more apparent. And if that's not the case, it's a good idea, FBI.
Judge Bev insisted the first verdict slip that did not have a âno guiltyâ box to check, why isnât that judicial misconduct?
And she let this all play out to get her way in the end anyway! It shows her INTENT!
It should be. I almost feel like she did not add a not guilty box to the other ones. She said she did but she's so sleazy and corrupt that I don't trust her!!!
Jackson totally called this. I believe she had said she was tired. đ€·đ»ââïžđ€
@@MichaelinNeoh Right! She said that when Jackson pointed out there weren't any not-guilty boxes on the lessor charges. She said she was tired when she wrote it. She then changed her mind and SAID SHE rewrote it, but I don't think the defense actually saw it? We honestly don't know what the hell she did. She's so sleazy and slimy!
How many times has this happened before to someone without as many resources?!
I thought the same thing.
Terrifying thoughtđą
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Many times I bet, sad đą
Thatâs why this should matter everyone. Karen Read is all of us.
I'm sorry but I would think that in that convo with the judge they would have told her that they were only deadlocked on 1 charge and had reached a verdict on the other 2, She didn't say anything because she never thought that a juror would contact the defense or prosecutor in this case and she could keep it like they deadlocked on all. They need to find out if the judge was informed of the 2 acquittals.... This should be grounds to have the remaining charge tossed out! This is DISGUSTING!!! I AM HORRIFIED BY THE INCOMPETENCE OF APPARENTLY EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE STATE LEVEL!!
And, by doing it this way, the CW can claim she's guilty but got off due to her fancy California lawyers cheating. đ
She confused the jury, that's why the defense was never informed.
â@@emanuelsantos5925 Yes, shack and harrar.
Good for the jurors for speaking up!
Yes good for them to correct the trolls .. Krusty panties . Wendy, Grant andvtge zombies
Drunk Judge Beverly should never have been allowed to be the sitting Judge in this case. She knew the cops, babysat children of the cops. This is so messed up.
The Albert kids call her Aunt Bev.
â@@LeiselRadtke Wtf wow!
So itâs legal to intimidate jurors by inviting brian albert but illegal to intimidate witnesses.
Even if they deadlocked 8/4 for the manslaughter charge it would still hang the jury on that count alone and they would be INSANE to even consider retrying her on that. There is no way a Jury would convict
Judge was biased.
If i were KR I would spend my last dime to make sure Aunti Bev pays for her prejudice!!!
NEW MEMBER!
I've been watching for quite a while. I'm an old, retired criminal defense attorney/prosecutor/ law school professor (JD, SJD, PhD.)
This trial was more hole than case. I was Lead Counsel/ Prosecutor in over 100 murder trials and 2nd Chair on at least 150. Those are Jury TRIALS, not counting Pleas in murder cases. Not, however, in Massachusetts (Thank God!)
I had serious concerns about Cannone's handling of the entire Proceedings. At THIS juncture, I don't believe there's enough to accuse her of corruption.
IF SHE KNEW the Jury HAD verdicts on 2 of the 3 counts and kept silent about it, THAT would be a serious instance of Judicial Misconduct. It'd lead not only to her immediate removal from the Bench, but also having her license to practice law revoked. And Felony charges.
But we're FAR from that point at present.
I also have serious concerns about Juror dismissals and the validity of "selection" of last-minute replacements. She refused to allow the Defense, for example, to examine what was IN the "bucket" from which numbers were drawn. I've only seen ONE Judge do this before, and he died in prison.
Naturally, Cannone won't admit anything. But IF the Verdict Forms are "missing" from the Record (which seems to happen with astonishing regularity in that county,) she's finished.
The ONGOING Federal investigation into this case has grown from a relatively minor investigation into law enforcement and prosecutorial misconduct. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence supporting that. BUT. The US Attorney has shifted to viewing all the "stuff" in Eastern Massachusetts as elements of an ongoing, connected criminal enterprise which MIGHT extend into the Judiciary. But already, far beyond a reasonable doubt, involving District Attorneys' Offices, some local elected officials, and numerous state and local law enforcement agencies.
In short, a RICO Case. That opens a huge Federal "umbrella" over ALL of this filthy criminal activity. Just like a Mob or drug distribution Case.
AND: I'm 99% certain that at LEAST ONE of the scumbags who was IN the Albert house when poor John O'Keefe was murdered, but is extremely vulnerable as the NEXT "fall guy" because he's not related and not an old friend has ALREADY run to the US Attorney, cut a deal, and has been spilling the beans for a few weeks now.
Before or shortly after the end of this month (July 2024) I expect some of the "McAlbert Crime Family" will be called in for questioning, or will be arrested and questioned, by the Feds. The FBI will tell them JUST ENOUGH for them to know that somebody (or numerous somebodies) has/ have ratted them out.
THEN, the WHOLE THING -- going as far back as the 1990s, perhaps -- will come tumbling down as they ALL start throwing each other under the bus. The Feds sat back, watched and waited. They'll start moving pretty soon.
Thank you for the information.Very informative.
Well said, ty.
This whole thing is looking more like an iceberg, the biggest part is the things we can't see....I hope you're right about the FBI making some moves soon.
Thank you for your comment. Have you been following the Idaho 4 case?
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and insight. Iâm so looking forward to the whole lot tumbling down. đ
Canone looked like a corrupt judge and mean-sprirted human being during the case. Her shenanigans in this context arenât surprising to me. đ Judge Bev should lose her cushy job. Sheâs awful.
I think the Judge overstepped her authority & was not impartial as she was supposed to be.
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To go a step further I would say she is corrupt.
@@loloholmes2793 She was against Karen and her lawyers from the get go!
Grateful for the jurors who wanted to come forward and correct the lies being told. Thank you for your service! I hope others follow suit. đ
Unbelievable!!! There was no way in hell the amp Bev was going to accept anything other than guilty or mistrial, and she made sure if I confusing the jewelry with the instructions and the way she had written everything out that they had to agree on everything!!!! SHE NEEDS TO GO!!!!
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Laurie Reece sent me â€ïž
They didnât poll the jury!!! I usually think of that as Iâm sure we all do at the reading of the verdict⊠For some reason, I was just so happy at the time that she didnât get a guilty because the whole town is corrupt that I didnât even think about they didnât poll the jury!!
And this is why they poll the jury so the court and Witnesses in the room can hear it for themselves and that's why Beverly didn't do it.
@@KayInMaine EXACTLY KAY!!â đ€Źđ€Źđ€Źđ€Ź
Proctor suspended without payđđ»đđ»đđ»đđ»đȘđ»
Halleluja đđđ
Thank you for the information â€
He may need to ask Paul O'keif for some of that, Go Fund Me money get get by with!!đ
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Lizzie betta get a job nowđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Why did this take so long?
Why are they appealing to the trial judge? Surely this situation can, at best, be perceived as judicial incompetence, at worst, misconduct. Why is this not going straight to an appellate court?
They appeal, if (when) she denies, they go to the State Supreme Court who will likely overrule.
THEN Bev has to answer and defend her ruling - in writing - to the SSJC.
Document Document Document !!
If they make her a vital witness for meeting with the jurors and knowing that they were unanimous on 2 of the 3 counts, that would pull her off the case if they did try her again for count 2.
Miss piggy sure screwed the pooch on this one.
AH!!! I was trying to place it the whole trial....my mind didn't extend to the muppets!! And when Dr. Wolfe walked in, he may as well have been Kermit served up on a silver platter!! đ
How can it be hung on vehicular manslaughter but unanimous not guilty on leaving the scene?
Right?
@@sherimckinney2859 She was allegedly unaware that she hit him. Manslaughter, but not knowingly leaving the scene.
If her vehicle never struck him, how is anyone hung up on manslaughter?!
The jury is idiotic if they believe that she hit him with her car knowing all of his injuries are on his head and one arm indicating that he was not hit by a vehicle especially a 7,000 LB one going 25 mph!
Because it would be the conclusion is that she did not purposefully hit him (1st charge of murder), also she was not aware that she hit him (if she did), so it would not be knowingly leaving the scene of an accident if you aren't aware that an accident has occurred. The hung jury would be about whether she did hit him or not
Thank goodness Karen has Yanetti and Jackson.
I canât imagine what others have gone through, (or will go through)not having access to the same resources.
This whole case and the handling of it, makes me physically ill.
Auntie Bev is in on the fix. Hopefully, she'll be exposed and tried for misconduct.
Don't you just want to get in auntie's Bev face and ask her " you think it's funny?"
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if this not guilty on counts 1 and 3 is confirmed - it is staggering news. The verdicts reached and treatment thereof is a purely administrative issue. The judge should have been very focused on clarity of the jury instructions and on the verdict forms themselves. The judge has shown an utter disrespect to KR and what she has endured by being (I think) responsible for "this happening".
The judges arrogant behavior throughout this whole trial has been so disgusting for us all to witness. Her disrespect towards Karen, and the whole defense team was seen throughout the whole trial. I, myself thought the jurors instructions were not clear as she read them.
Adding to this comment, it took me far longer than so many others to reach the conclusion that there are major problems with the judge. After reading some informed legal comments, I feel sad that so many people will be going to jail. They have, in many ways, "good lives". SMH
Kudos to @Aussie Insider and @Microdots for all the work they do to break down and explain all the vids etc in this case.
Totally agree, they have done an awesome job đ đ â€
And the conspiracy to blame KR expands in real time.
This is horrible! I pray this case IS dismissed WITH prejudice and ty federal investigation expands to look at everybody in the DA's office AND the Judge. The corruption runs DEEP!
No way Auntie Bev didnât know about the juryâs acquittals on the two counts. What judge would not poll the jury? NoneâŠunless it was not conducive to her ultimate aims.
@@gsparkman she was too bias and rude not to fined out? And she did when she met them in private.
And IMO, the reasonable doubt ALONE in all of the counts from day 2 of this trial should have acquitted her across the board
in my opinion, Bev is just as corrupt as Proctor. the fact that she was constantly hiding paperwork & just saying what SHE read & interpreted, & expecting everyone to believe that she was trustworthy.
With regards to the jurors feeling intimidated by the mcAlberts showing up sitting with JO family during closings, I mean the judge had no problem banning turtleboy when they testified because they felt intimidated, but those same mcAlberts had no problem intimidating the jurors , so why couldn't judge ask them to leave if they are clearly there to intimidate, and the jury felt that, so she can ask Aiden to leave but not the mcAlberts, bad enough Karen had to sit and have John's brother glaring at her the entire trial, just so many things wrong with this trial đź
Auntie Bev really showed her true colors once the jury was deliberating. She snapped at the defense, snapped at Karen, refused to be transparent in the alternate selection process, chose the foreman before choosing the alternates at "random", and hurried off the bench when the mistrial happened. Reminded me of how some of the teachers I had growing up that didn't like certain students and would single them out and make their life as difficult as possible out of passive aggressive spite. This whole fiasco and circus of a trial makes me wonder how many people are sitting in prison right now because they were framed by the cops to cover their asses or because the judge decided they didn't like them.
The corruption runs dark and deep here, starting with Bev. Unbelievable
MARTIN G Weinberg is know as one of the best defence lawyers in the US and his firm been named best lawyers in the US for the last 35 years, since 1987. In 2022 he received the national lifetime achievement award which only goes to 1 lawyer each year. And there's so much more. Auntie Bev doesn't know what she got herself into.đ what a dream team of lawyers! I hope the go fund keeps going to help her pay for her defence team.â€
Yes! I read about him very impressive!. Corruption and white collar crimes included.
Jackson touched on constitutional rights of the American people in his closing arguments. This is, in my opinion, one of the most important issues facing our society today (and I wrote to the defense referencing same)!
đđWell done....This case should have never even happened đđ
Karma is a B!!!! What goes around comes around good for judge Bev she deserves it all what ever is thrown at herđ±
Fired and Decertify Proctor...đ€Ź....
Karen Read' is not guilty on all charges đđđŻ
@@LisaNH934 usually suspended without pay will most likely end with him being completely fired within the next 30 days
Hope so! He's vile and can't be trusted!â@Tammy_26Irwin
I bet a few more juriors will come out.
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Hello there from Newburyport, MA!
Why has no one made a big deal about the history of Judge Bev renting her house in the cape to the Alberts or McCabes in the summers?
bigger issues..
@wendyrudokas there was a motion to recuse and in her ruling from the bench, she stated she never rented her cape house (aka seaside cottage) to anyone, ever! czcams.com/users/live45-_NyXAImw?si=MfNqtRhZszmP-I-a
Can the federal government ever step in and do anything about this corruption?
Love the show, love Mr Bederow.
I think thatâs exactly what happened! The whole trial has been scandalous why not keep it going to the very end
I am glad truth is coming out this Albert's family needs to be investigated JO justice.
BevâŠ.âthatâs how it is done in MassâŠâ
EAT IT, BEV! đ©ââïž
EAT IT đĄ
Awful judge..so called
I'm sure it is and I'm sure there's a big racket going on down there where innocent people are put in prison for the murders that their friends, family, and cop friends have done.
I hope they drop the murder charge. And then the FBI comes in with more evidence that KR is not guilty of any of the charges. The fact it was 8-2 for conviction of manslaughter is scary as hell for any of us.
They wonât have any choice. It wonât be dropped it would be amended to not guilty as the jurors came to a unanimous on the murder charge!
It truly is freaking bizarre..... I think that in part it was the way that auntie Bev had worded the verdict instructions..... She worded the instructions in a way that they almost had to find her guilty of something....
This Judge Just Ruined Her Career! WOW WOW
Amen đđ»
Letâs hope.
She can keep company to Judge Scherer from the Cruz trial.
â@@mini_skinny0296 finally someone who gets it... totally agree
One only hopes
The jurors probably contacted the court, got nothing in return and then contacted the defense.
Y'ALL. Our new hospital doesn't get service. I walked out and saw the Title and WEN'T CRAZY. I started watching in my office. My coworkers think I am INSANE. If they only knew. This is ABSOLUTELY CRAZY!
@@lrobic This made me laugh. Youâre too funny. Itâs crazy how many of us followed this trial the way we did!
@@lrobic Iâm happily crazy with you!
Thanks for the recap, Mark. I am finally able to start watching from the beginning.
đwhat about the patientsđ
BTW your hair looks great, Melanie!
Yeah, I couldn't understand the jury instructions either.đ€š
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Perhaps the rest of the jury believed the foreperson had documented their decisions properly. The fact that they were not required paperwork, polling, or anything else, leaves the possibility that someone hostel to Karen Read could intentionally omit information about the jury's acquittals, or do so out of ignorance. Also, perhaps they didn't know when they needed to fill out the paperwork.
"Judge Bev instructed the jury to only fill out the verdict form after they have come to unanimous verdicts on all the charges."
I wonder if thatâs why the jury didn't fill it out??
Seems like the reasons to dismiss this case are pilling up. So many messes to clean up.
This is insanity!! Straight corruption from the time John walked into Brian Alberts house!
Just when you think it couldnt get more of here we are again. The CW will never release KR from charges due to the fact it makes them look stupid and guilty of all that has been discovered. Ego is all up in their way. What a disgrace. Please whom ever can over ride the DA there step up abd do the right thing and then clean that corrupt place out.
This makes me sick to my stomach. I was really confused on why Bev didn't ask what charges tgey were hung on n ask them to fill out the form as best they could. 8 to 4 on manslaughter is craaaazy!!
The text response recorded by Informant B on David Yanetti's affidavit is crucial to the status of the second charge. The text in question reads: "No one thought she hit him on purpose or even thought she hit him on purpose [sic]." Obviously, the statement is saying the same thing twice, but what if the last two words were omitted and the second part of the statement read: "...or even thought she hit him"?
I maintain that is likely the way the statement was intended to read, given the use of the word "even". That word "even" is used for emphasis and is intended to distinguish the second statement from the first, making a statement about the act itself ("hit him") whereas the original statement was more focused on intent ("on purpose").
If that is true, the second charge should also produce a NOT GUILTY verdict because one of the primary conditions that she struck Officer O'Keefe was not sufficiently proven to the jury. But the verdict form itself and accompanying instructions were so confusing that some jurors were unsure as to what they were voting on. If the jurors were plainly asked, "Do you believe the CW proved that Karen Read struck Officer O'Keefe with her SUV?" If they all were not convinced, she needs to be acquitted of all charges, period.
Thank you, this makes sense.
Great point!
@dji9424 , Say you are correct, and the second part was "or even thought she hit him." The way the charges and instructions read, if they believe that she drove/acted recklessly and in doing so set off a chain of events that led to his injury and death, they could still find her guilty of manslaughter.
I have heard the KRG crowd argue that if her driving in reverse caused him to stumble off the road and hit his head on the ground, then she is guilty of manslaughter. That the jury did not have to accept the CWs theory to find that the CW proved it's case by providing evidence that she caused his death even if the CW doesn't know how.
TBH, based on the way the instructions read, it kind of sounds like that could be the case. However, I don't see how you can get past the fact that in that scenario, it is just as likely that his own intoxication caused him to stumble and hit his head. If two scenarios are just as likely, that is reasonable doubt.
Do we think Brian Higgins will be fired next? Since he admitted to using federal property to assist in manipulating this case by cherry picking the two text chains?
Comon how long has Conolli been a Judge for SHE KNOWS THE RULES..SHE WANTED KAREN GUILTY HER BIAS WAS SO OBVIOUSđ€·CORRUPT NOT A MISTAKE SHE MADE and lally is Awful
The most important question is did bias Bev know they acquitted her in the main charges? I canât imagine the jury didnât tell auntie Bev in that meeting they were inky hung on the lesser charges.
Given the behaviours of Bev - i call her corrupt. Her "negligence" was deliberate, intended to obstruct justice for Karen Read.
I'm so glad the defense came back with a one, two punch quickly. I have a huge smile in my face. Still Team KR, keep fighting! On the last 2 days of deliberations, Court tv was very biased against KR. It made me ill.
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This is just mind blowing !!
Karen is not guilty !!
how is it possible that since mass. became a state and had laws that no one thought that it should be asked which charges the jury is hung on???
Judge Bev. Cannone was appointed by Governor Deval Patrick in 2014 looks like sheâs a sitting judge until mandatory retirement age of 70 yo. UNBELIEVABLE
How old is the Bevster??
I wouldn't believe anything the DA comes up with at this point! Even if they said it was snowing! They actually lied about the video showing a broken taillight! The white light looks photo shopped. It wasnt even the right taillight!
Yet another "coincidence" reveals itself in this whole case đ€Šhonestly unbelievable. I'm just glad Read has a magnificent team on her side. Both herself and John deserves true justice
Yaay đ„łđA huge step closer to justice today!! đđđ
Karen Read had multiple weeks of PAID defense, she deserves to get acquitted on 1 & 2
Money buys Justice in the U.S.A.
â@@user-ix7se4lb3s100% that it does but in this case , money uncovered corruption,- 100%>
Brian A's losses: His childhood family home, his job (retired last fall), his dog, his phone, his respect, his hair, and more. Possibly his eternity. That should make us feel better.
When you put it like that.. Yup I feel better now đ„°
Read that Albert is getting a pension of 84k a month which is over 100k a year. Not bad for a retiree
He needs to lose his retirement too!
Good comment
No hair
Remember there was no "not guilty" tick boxes on the jury form, that was what the defence was complaining about.
They revised the form to include guilty and not guilty.
Only added one NG box at top so it looked like highest charge was G OR NG and lessers still no boxes
It makes no sense to me that they acquitted on the top charge, and the bottom (leaving the scene of a crime) but were hung on Manslaughter? Basically, they acquitted her both of intentionally hitting him, and having hit/harmed him at allâŠbut manslaughter is still up in the air? I wonder if the way that charge was written was too confusing? I am Outraged for Karen, for the justice systemâŠAunt Bev needs to goâŠand I want to watch her have to testify and have a judge tell her to âspeak up, or Iâm turning off the a/c!â to her at every possible moment.
Great comment. Iâd love to have them turn off the ac with bev in the witness seat.
I thought for DUI u had to be seen by an officer behind the wheel with DUIâŠ
I've never heard that. They can charge you with a dui even if you aren't driving anymore as long as they have enough people saying you were driving & your vehicle is still warm
So that would, sadly, make JOK an accessory to his own death as he, a police officer. let a drunk woman get behind the wheel
I think KR laughed in disbelief when Bev laughed at DY seconds before. Bev needs to go!!!!
Oh My My ... it looks the walls may coming crashing down upon those who practiced to deceive and thought that they were exempt AND COULD RUN THIS SHOW THEY WAY THEY WANTED, TSK TSK ,, SHAME ON YOU ALL
Bev is a big FAIL!
The judge was deliberately not being transparent Re: the 12-0 acquittal on the murder charge. And 2 of the 3 charges
I am glad that Mark addressed the fact that the OâKeefe family invited the McAlberts. On an interview, he mentioned he invited them to show (the jury?) that they didnât believe Karenâs defense that seems so sketchy to me! My only question to Mark would be, why did the judge allow Mrs. OâKeefe to be so expressive during the trial? Iâve seen many many judges, the spectators that if they canât watch testimony without crying, etc., to leave the room before the comes out. She was laughing at the disgusting text messages, she would throw up her hands and plop them in her lap anytime or most times they would object or a sidebar. I noticed it when they would ask for a sidebar because the camera would pan to the lawyers around the table and you could see her and animation. The judge never wants the jury influenced by what theyâre seeing in the peanut gallery! Sympathy or siding with one side or the other is not part of the juries duty. What happened on that witness stand is all they can consider. However, we are human. Even if we donât realize itâs affecting our decisions it is. One way or the other! Some people may have been turned off by her behavior. Which could cause them to vote not guilty even if the defendant was guilty, and vice versa of course.
Right? Yet the judge denied protesters being close to the court because it would prejudice the jury.,.đ€
I want to see Lally prosecuted for his lies and all the other misdeeds that he did, withholding evidence, presenting false evidence that he absolutely knew was reversed......etcđ€Źđ€Ź
Lally, was clearly unethicalâŠ
Melanie, I love that when you first started covering this case, you had like 20k subs.... You're up to 60k plus now!
Thing is tho, how do they not see a cover up?
Great to "see" and hear you Melanie and Mark! Fantastic coverage!
What is warranted is that all persons considered to have committed purgery or tampering with evidence i.e. phones; text messages; tail light and other evidence be charged and prosecuted under the law not withstanding they are/were law enforcement. That should keep them from bothering people in Canton for a few years.