How to climb vertical faces on dirt bikes︱Cross Training Enduro
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How to climb vertical faces on a dirt bike! A small vertical face, vertical rock face, undercut log or a short steep climb is quite easy to ride up, but as do vertical climbs then your front wheel you'll need to use trials based techniques like the punch technique to get up them successfully. This is also useful for undercut logs as the bike literally jumps in the air. Before attempting vertical faces, we recommend you first try some steep banks that aren't quite vertical. We've done a training vid on these. Next learn the basics of the small practical wheelie, and the log punch techique. Then you can start on climbing vertical rock faces, vertical faces or very steep climbs.... short ones! A common theme that stands out for almost every top extreme enduro rider is they are former expert trials riders, and cut their teeth on extremely challenging terrain and undercut logs riding ultra light weight bikes. In fact, most of these guys will say the key to learning to ride fast is first slow down and get your fundamental techniques right for vertical climbs. Of course, we'll never get anywhere near the top riders, but there's a lot of satisfaction in doing things you saw as impossible only a year ago like undercut logs or vertical rock faces. Keep your body in the default body position to weight the rear wheel. Jarvis once said going fast is the easy bit, it's the slow stuff that takes skill and we've grown to love the challenge of riding tough terrain with skill, instead of just roosting and sliding our way around easy tracks. Remember to weight the bike or you won't get enough bounce upward. This technique will be invaluable if you get into any serious endurocross or hard technical riding. A huge thanks to our northern BC volunteers for not only spotting but having a go at this face too. Hearts of gold, balls of steel! See the compressed suspension? If you'd like to give cross training a try, we've listed all training vids to date on your website and feel free to subscribe to this channel for new ones in the near future.
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You can use the punch technique for these vertical faces. We became addicted to watching extreme enduro vids and found this both inspiring and deflating to watch riders like Jarvis, Walker and Birch doing the impossible like these rock faces or undercut logs so easily. You can use the same technique to vertical climbs on rock faces or undercut logs. The past few years Graham Jarvis has been the king of the extreme enduro world, and we've even started our own religion based on his teachings. We even got to ask his holiness for some riding tips. Birchy was a massive help with learning the punch technique for vertical faces. Another former trials rider, Chris Birch was arguably the world's top extreme enduro rider in 2010 and has been travelling worldwide coaching since then. He confirmed that most of what we were learning was accurate, and showed us enough stuff to keep us busy well into the future.
Ride in slowly to the vertical face you want to climb with the punch technique, speed will just mess things up. If you start with smaller vertical faces and work your way up, it's surprising how easy it can be to do faces that are taller than your front wheel. I was pretty excited about making it up. The height of the obstacle should be the same distance you start your wheelie. But bit by bit we are making progress, and have been making some of the dodgiest enduro training vids in the history of motorcycling.
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I'm glad you showed all the failed attempts at the end. That shows that it's not as easy as it appears. Sometimes more can be learned from watching improper technique than watching it being executed perfectly. Good job!
I have yet to see any of your videos disappoint. Fantastic.
thanks J R, glad you are enjoying the circus!
This video are perfect... No fail... As is possible....
You have to show us the mistakes and the wrong position.
Otherwise is like to see Caroli win a race... Easy for him...
Loved seeing a new training vid. I’ve missed them. Don’t get me wrong, I love the riding vlogs, but I love havin someone explain the techniques to me. I’ve wondered a few times if you’ve ever wanted to go back and re-film different training aspects as you’ve ridden more and maybe even changed your approach to different techniques?
I love the 3rd person persective too. It's much more informative than watching from the POV of the rider. I think it would be extremely hard to do but I'd love to know exactly what their hand controls are doing during some techniques as well. How much throttle, how much clutch, etc.... I'm glad Barry said on this one that he wasn't using the clutch at all, that it may not be proper technique but that you can do it without worrying about the clutch. That stuff is helpful.
fredman1085 agreed👍🏿
thinking about it adam and it's on the agenda but have so little time nowadays :(
fredman1085 Im going out tomorrow to do this we have a concrete berm 34" tall with a 12" drop on the other side..... hopefully im just sore on the drive home, and not replacing parts! lol
TheCharillz23 good luck man. I just need to get the guts enough to try.
Love how the young girl has all the guys spotting her, then the next bloke after has nobody. Great video love your stuff
actually everyone had spotters unless they asked not to.... once i got up three times without problems i did a few runs without spotters. bit nerve wracking! :)
Another great training video! Thanks for putting this stuff out for free!
This was the best vid I’ve seen on this and I’ve watched a lot. What I really appreciated was both the successful and fails. Really. Seeing the common mistakes was just as helpful if not more than the actual successful runs. Watching enduro legends make it look easy can then feel very disheartening when your own bike doesn’t pop up. Thanks a ton!
Most useful... thanks for the ongoing series.
Barry, what a great tutorial!! Excellent filming and coaching.
Love how you guys practice 👍
Great vid! I have watched countless hours of your videos over the years and have put to use many of your gumby tactics
Some good time from the past.. wanting more of this training vids. Thanks for creating one.
Excellent video.
This is great. We need more like this.
Thank you so much for doing these. I would be lost without them!
glad they are useful vids, kris :)
I love how these techniques translate into bikes of all types even my Chinese x31 tank
Another fantastic video. Very helpful
I have to thanks u guys !! your work is truly amazing I don't ride my motorbike since 2017 but your videos are fantastic !! I finished Redbull Romaniacs 2017 with my exc 125 !!!
from Italy
congratulazioni riccardo, ben fatto! that's a tough race especially on a 125. 👏
You must wear the tutu until you are able to get over the obstacle! Great video!
Now I know, why sometimes, my chest hurts so much ... LOOOOL ... great video !! Loved it !!
Always learning - Don´t do this, LOL, I don't have the bike, or the backs, for it !!! Ahahahahaah.
You Rock !! Cheers
After you sneaked off on to that other channel and did a bit on the Italian princesses, it’s nice to see a good learning vid again 👍 nice one bazzzzar
love the instructional videos! That's what brought me here originally!
Top video guys , I have some experience but now I'm keen to get out there and try these new moves
thanks kevin, i doubt i'll ever managed anything higher than this. but it's amazing to see the pro hard enduro guys get up significantly higher walls than this.
Beautiful to watch in slowmo!!
Awesome video !!! Thank you
Well done the team there🇬🇧👍
Lately ive been using the double blip to get over logs and such and one of our friends make s cut out section in a slight hill to simulate a near vertical face and ive been practicing on that aswell its pretty fun
Awesome.....Great effort ya’ll 👏👍
you guys are awesome
Always a fan!
So good!! For such a gumby, you make it look so good.
many many hours in post production to hide the support wires and carabinas, truc. you know what it's like, having to touch up pics to get your thumb out of the photo....
Best tutorial ever! Nice work guys. Very explicit:)
wait till you see our sex training vids, they are very explicit lol
Vertical climb is my fear now but after 1 day o practice my skills are better! Tnx to your vids, I (my friends too) start to relearning the basics .
Explicit = detailed information,but I interesting about sex vids too :))
So interesting and valuable tip that you comment on how important it is to have the front wheel punch. Weirdly, intuition would tell me that avoiding the front wheel hitting the wall is better.. I can see the results of that now 😂
Thank you so much for this tutorial!
It's very counter-intuitive, Matias!
Entertaining and useful video. Keep it up!
our pleasure!
Thanks for sharing
My pleasure
Fantastic vid, thank you! :-)
Thanks for the video. I'd love to be able to do that someday
i've been working up to that height over the past two years, it took me a while!
Awesome! I ride a DRZ so I’m gonna need like 50 spotters... 😆
Brrrrpp! Great vid! 🏁
thank you
I really like these vids, but I'm subscribing for the RAD music. 🙂
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Impressive
If I could ever get my damn Midwest lever set up properly on my RR300 I’d give this a shot. It’s too busy cooking my clutch though.
Nice vid :)
Shout out from northwestern BC braap braaap
Nice when at the same time (1.14) comes a huge log truck down the road near same direction the Enduro goes ha ha!
It's good to see another training video Barry. They're few and far between these days. To be honest, I think most people originally subscribed to see the training videos and learn techniques.
On a side note, I never understand why videos like this receive some dislikes (8 so far). What was to dislike?
Its harder than it looks, its all about the timing and clutch control, been riding trials for about 8 months and it helps you use these technique's, but there still not as easy as Gforce and the boys make them look!
very few guys have mastered the 50+ training vids to date so not much point doing too many at this stage, dan. also supporters of this channel are very happy with the current vids coming out and they are the ones who give me the topics they like covered. :)
Good point about the large repository of training video's you've already done. And fair enough, you've got to keep the paying subscribers happy.
P.S. I had to re-read your comment -at first I thought you were referring to senior riders (50+) not having mastered all the techniques yet. 😃
Keep all the goodness coming Barry! I would never make it through a shift at work without cross training endure skills video's or traction erag! Hope to catch up mate when your in BC, us Washington state boys will come up and gumby out! We love mcnutt and vedder, you need to check out Lytton BC!
@@dabtown5293 didn't it burn down 😕
You guys are the best. K, I'm done blowing wind up your dress. KEEPUPTHEGOODWORK!!👍
Should I be learning this on a Suzuki DR-Z 400E?
Good
Thnkuuuu
Hope someday I'll join with you sir
Excellent instruction!
As soon as my torn MCL heals and my knee braces arrive I am going to start practicing this technique.
I will start with our street curbs and when I am confident with that I will move up to something higher than 8". Spotters would be very good to have too, do they all need to have video cameras to be a good spotter?
it certainly pays to take it in gradual steps... and yes the spotter MUST all have cameras lol.
Do your skid plates extend to protect the bottom of the shock? I'd worry that if I got this wrong the shock would take most of the impact.
I love ❤️ your videos Barry from stevie
thanks stevie! you were riding so well a few years ago i reckon you must be on your way to junior trials champion for our state now. :) hope life is good shayne. i had all these high hopes of getting back to WDTC this year but this video stuff has got way out of hand with 60 to 75 hour weeks....
I've yet to try this kind of technique and I'm growing towards it slowly. But I remember seeing similar thing (think that was for the big logs) with the double blip of the throttle. And here it is just a wide open one. What's the difference? Can it be done in two ways or am I missing something?
Thanks for these educational videos, they're great!
the punch is much easier, i doubt i'd ever try this with the double blip although a good trials rider probably would.
I think I'll start with a small log first :)
Sorry if this has been asked already, but when you gonna try beta 200rr? ktm 200 has somewhat of a cult following in enduro
when i'm offered one to test ride... who knows when, if ever.... :(
you look like a giant on that Beta. Loving it?
Any idea how much tire pressure people were running? I know it's advisable to air down a bit for trail traction, but that looks like an instant pinch-flat if you're not pumped up enough.
Great vid, though! I can't wait to try it out on my XT
Hard to remember and it was a loan bike and a few years back now, Brady. Maybe 12psi? Normallly I run TUbliss with about 2 or 3 psi.
@@crosstrainingenduro TUBliss is definitely the way to go.. I don't have a couple hundred to throw at that setup yet.. I'll shoot for 12 and carry spare tubes 😅
Thanks for the prompt reply!
Also, Megan Griffith is everywhere. I have seen her ride with everyone. I'm pretty jealous that she got to ride with you guys, graham jarvis, mike brown, and also Jesus.
when confronted with major obstacles we always say to ourselves, "what would meagan do?" :)
stupid question but ... wich gear to use ? i always hesitate between 1st or 2nd gear .... for a 250 2strokes
i guess whatever suits the approach speed as seen in the vid when running in normal time....
More things to add to the list to practice for the fall. Too bad for the fire ban. All I can do is look at the princess right now😟
absolutely... here's our "how to dismount instead of crash" video czcams.com/video/gLX-GkNdyeE/video.html
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Great vid. But why the guy in the pink tutu?
long story, but in short whoever stuffed up the most the previous day has to wear it :)
i've always wondered about what the clutch hand is supposed to do for a normal wheelie? How can you lift up on the handle bars and release the clutch at the same time?
If you drop the clutch,.. no need to lift up on the handle bars at all!
see our small practical wheelie vid. you shouldn't need any clutch at all.
I’m no expert, so someone may counter this, but any time I’m balancing at a standstill in front of an obstacle, and need to dump the clutch to get over it, I’m only holding the clutch with my one index finger. The rest of my hand is wrapped around the handlebar grip.
I live in saigon and have an old XR Baja 250 so should be a fun place to practice my wheelies haha
love the vids but would like to see more big bikes so i could have less peer pressure from you fantastic riders to buy a 250 and keep riding my 1190s
did the big bike vids over on the adventure channel, didier. this channel is more for cross training...
Will it work on Supermoto? :D
2:23 that dude in the background looks like he wears a pink skirt :D
lol it's not a pink skirt. it's a pink tutoo 4:31.
the same one worn by graham jarvis and colton haaker
Not from the block I guess.. a new kid in town. Pink tuto it's called.
tuto= www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tuto
mantap
terima kasih 😎
Is it possible to do this on the dr650 or am I asking for pain and broken bike parts?
A good enough rider could... you'll see Pol Tarres doing this stuff on a KTM 790 which is a heavier bike. I wouldn't attempt something this high though. Big chance of punctures too unless running high air pressures.
You've been wonderful replying to my comments, thank you!
My pleasure! Just for the fun of it, we have also taken the DR650 on some of our hard enduro tracks. czcams.com/video/RA0R37FnLeM/video.html
did the cr250 ever make it up?
showed all the bikes that made it up
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS the reason i ask is cause the cr250 has a notoriously awful bottom end, and it's what i ride, and wondered if even a skilled rider (which im not) would have difficulty getting it up
dude, buys a 12oz flywheel, raises the height of the cylinder and puts a separator of 8-10 cm. in the reed valve... With these modifications you already have an engine with low end. I have a 2002 cr. And remember to use the bounce of the fork
dosizmp whats the reed valve separator do? i have an 02 also, with a milled head and flywheel. the head mod helped a lot with low end, but still need more!
Succed and Go crazy
1:24 I spy Megs Braap!
Can you do it in small Cc motors like
125 cc or 150cc motor?
this is usually our default position, jerus... czcams.com/video/oPRwh_dUJuc/video.html
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Thank you
I just felt that small cc bikes will have a hard time to pull the front wheel, may be more on clutch.
Is this possible with motocross suspension
this is usually our default position, matt... czcams.com/video/oPRwh_dUJuc/video.html
lol NOW to go out there and try this! lol most importantly not kill ones self!
Oh i plan on starting off on a jersey barrier! lol well not really I have a dirt bank that should work nicely
he says in the video to try it on dirt XD I was also going to bury a log in it or a piece of wood
2:18 anyone notice the dude wearing Megs Braap’s pink tutu? Lol
Was that MegsBrap?
It sure was, Michael... her first ever attempt at a tall vertical face.
What did you do to Megs????!!! I know she could prbably ride that Husky up a telephone pole lol
i thought she might nail it first time as well gwynne, but i think it's the sort of thing you need to start on something a bit smaller first. :(
I was thinking the same thing!
which model ktm at this 4:10 ?
Can't remember, I filmed that years ago. And it was quite an old KTM 250EXC even back then. It would have easily been a pre-2008 model.
@@crosstrainingenduro So thanks for fast reply,have fun,good luck for new videos
Just in case somebody has a tip, when I stand up, my knees get very close to handlebars making it hard for me to get enough leverage to turn them in some terrain. I've gotten the handlebars as much in front and up as my cables allow for and pegs as low and back as I can without major investment, but if anybody knows of another easy trick to get around this, I'd love to hear it :) .
check out our body positioning vid, freeman. might help!
I've checked that a while ago, even saved it, as it is really helpful with the 3rd person shots, bar raisers video helped as well, it does great at summing up the negatives (well worth it for me :) ).
Ah, so we try it in slo-mo first!
Now I'm ready to ride up the side of the Grand Canyon...
that is the next logical step.... :)
What gear mate?
temperance 1st or if your bike has a ton of grunt try second too to get more traction. But on any bike I think 2nd will require some clutching too
Justin F thanks, I got a 300xcw.
I usually need a lot of throttle to get the front up in 2nd without some speed. 1st the bike reacts instantly. Hard to control.
temperance how about with some clutch in 2nd
Justin F 2nd for sure. 1st is scary on my machine, especially if I have to stay on it as he says in the video. I don't have that kind of crazy control yet.
temperance yeah I have a 250xc I’ve ridden 300s they definitely have some more bottom. For most log crossings and stuff I am in 2nd and use some clutch and either do a double blip if I have run up and soils good or just a punch
Why is there a man in the background wearing a Tu- Tu dress at 2.20? There for distraction purposes perhaps, essential aspect of the training?
It's to illustrate that they're riding two-two stroke bikes.
2:00 Is that dude wearing a tutu?
3:08 100% skill on a mx bike
bOoP
Is this Megan Griffith there?? @megs_braap
yes we got to ride with megs all summer 😁
You realize that if you'd injured Megs you'd have been run out of Canada right?
I log punched a big log hauling ass and as soon as my back wheel hit I indoed
Warning: This method is not advisable for any four stroke bike ever made
I did do a concrete slab almost this height a few times on a Honda CRF250RX in Canada and yes, it was a nerve wracking experience... just waiting for it to stall and put me over the handlebars lol
Those pooor cr's.... jesus