FNaF Theory: Was MatPat Right about FNaF Theorists?
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
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Todays Video takes a thorough look into MatPat's New Game Theory "Why You HATE My Theories! (FNaF)". In the Video, MatPat claims that, not just his, but the Theories of many other modern FNaF Theory Channels haven been receiving a lot of Hate, which he claims to know the answer to why that is. In this Video, without getting confrontational, I do my own deepdive into MatPat's claims, & whether what he's saying is justified or not.
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I'm going to be brutally honest; any time an indie creator (not a large studio/company) creates a new piece of media, the community often develops this really intense para-social relationship with the literal ownership of that media. When the thing in question is created by and owned by a larger corporation, it tends to develop a fanbase that is passionate but more likely to understand the distance between themselves and the media they are in love with. When it comes to FNAF, I feel like there have been multiple instances where it just seems like the community and it's members (who are often youtube theorists) become extremely possessive of how to interoperate what is a 100% intentional mystery of a story narrative.
The story of FNAF has always been a mystery to ponder and put together, but I feel like it's always been treated as a long-running comic book instead with a direct narrative. Superman's history is very factually obvious; which is why long-running comics series have had a lot of retcons and resets; because they do sometimes have to reverse or re-tell how events happened and they have to very bluntly signal that so their audience does not get mad.
Meanwhile I see FNAF's story as a long-running mystery, but it's not being treated as the mystery it is. Many writers behind a mystery have it all plotted out behind the scenes but intentionally want to make it your job as the fan/reader find the entertainment value in solving it yourself... And so, in those circles, it's accepted that people can have wildly different opinions; because the point is to generate different opinions! In fact, for a mystery series writer who is a pantser (writes by the seat of their pants) different perspectives/feedback gives them a lot of ideas about how to move their story forward through future installments.
I don't know how to really get all of this across, but if we could somehow just tell people not knowing exactly what happened is PART of the FUN then I think a lot of this weird tension would actually go away. As long as people take this all too literally and think in such binary terms that there is a correct and incorrect answer then I think we will continue to have these problems.
Well said, I agree with this, I find William as a good example of this, he murdered many kids but after the 6th game we don't fully have an answer for why he did it, many have theorized on why but there is no true answer yet and I am fine with that, it is fun just to try and think about why ya know?
@@dallaspark9100 In the case of Afton, I think the unfolding narrative has presented several motivations for the character and it may be that he doesn't have a single motivation, but a compounding collection of "reasons". In FNAF4, I think the story of the bite of '83 presents a possible "heroic narrative" the villain might use to defend their cruel, predatory actions. In real life and in good fiction the villain sees themselves in their own heads as somehow the hero; they have to "satisfy" their moral conscious in order to continue doing actions everyone else finds terrible. To me the games never have to state clearly how Afton justifies himself; it makes enough sense that between two offspring who died in an accident, discovering the possibility of life after death and hating his rival so much as to want him to suffer like he has suffered... That's a pretty compelling soup to create a bad guy out of.
Another ill-defined, but present narrative is that Mike has a lot of reasons to want to expose his father's crimes, or stop his father or end the "madness" (and end the guilt for having some hand in all of this).
Something that I kind of hope to find more of and see more in the future is how Henry either knew, didn't know or suspected... It's not about knowing exactly what went down, but I'm curious about how he eventually ended up creating the elaborate plan for FNAF6. Did he know about the puppet for a long time, or only fairly recently? Was lefty a project devised long ago, or only created to do FNAF6's plan?
@@porcelainchips6061 Unfortunely not all bad people see themselves as heroic.
Facts.
7:16 Scott is the only one that can decide on the names for characters? It’s entirely possible that Steel Wool decided to name The Blob “The Tangle” but didn’t want to reveal the official name in the book so whoever wrote the book just used the fan name and stated that it’s not the official name.
My problem with mat pat theory’s right now is that he doesn’t bring up the opposite side of the theory that shows it in a bad light and makes it look like this is the only correct way of seeing
I really agree with this video. I’ve been worrying a lot about how Mat discussing only unconstructive criticism (which should definitely be called out) while ignoring the actual constructive criticism (like the arguments you’ve presented in this video) may cause people to dismiss genuine, constructive criticism. I’ve also been worried about the “S” and “N” classifications that Mat has unnecessarily introduced into the community, and I’m glad you discussed that and the problems with it.
As someone who that stupid test labels as both an “I” and an “N,” that personality test seems to primarily exist so intuitive introverts can feel smugly superior about themselves.
Who says he’s ignoring actual constructive criticism? He made the video to discuss it because it’s disrespectful to all the people on team theorist who work hard on these theories. He doesn’t NEED to make a whole video on constructive criticism. He can take that in private and use it to make more videos. This is stupid.
I’m pretty sure he made that video particularly calling out the *unconstructive* criticism, not the constructive ones. That’s the majority he was mad at. I’m also sure he introduced the “S” and “N” classification to show that may be a reason why people don’t get and or dislike his theories. That he thinks and analyses clues differently. What one person might find useless and unhelpful to a theory, to him makes sense and helps to figure out what happened in the theory.
I personally think he’s allowed to get mad at some of the comments (the disrespectful ones) people have made. Imagine. Putting your all into a series, becoming so passionate about it (frustratingly so), that it spins into an long spin of videos. Then some people come up and say that it sucks. No evidence. No reasonable explanation about why it was bad, just “it’s so bad that he obviously isn’t passionate about it anymore.” Or “he’s obviously running out of ideas.” Just… insulting his work because their stuck in their own personal beliefs or say it just to insult him.
It’s just him venting his frustrations about those types of comments. Which has been held off for quite sometime, in my opinion. I’ve seen comments a few years before this video saying things that were just insulting him. Like the one comment he brought up and got mad at. “This video is literal cancer” …yea, i can get why this one was brought up. It’s a disgusting thing to refer to anything; besides cancer, as. I don’t think he was getting mad at people with conflicting theories who are constructive about it. Take Fuhnaff for example.
Great video, you addressed what was on my and others minds quite well I think.
I watched the video and did wonder why some information didn't match up. I watched the video and wondered why he was separating one community into two parts. I watched the video and wondered why he was taking notice of such lame comments, instead of theorizing with other creators.
But if I could bring up one point: I do think that it's not just the hateful parts of the community that has caused this stress. It's how the franchise has turned from a mystery into an interrogation by the fans. While it is good to think deeply about something we all like, I think we tend to take fnaf too seriously. At its heart, it's an amazing horror game franchise with great story. Overtime, it feels like it has changed from a interesting puzzle to a maths equation. With only one clear answer that needs many methods, and much time, to get to the end of. Fnaf is something we should stop to appreciate and figure out slowly, rather than spend time trying to figure out if your theory has more cannonicity than someone else's, opposed to just focusing soley on the development of your theory.
Basically, chill out guys! We all have our share to say, and we all have time to do so. Let's play the games, read the books and watch the movie. We don't need to do much more than that other than, like the creator of this video says, spread thoughts about fnaf.
I don't see how calling out unconstructive and in appropriate behavior dismisses constructive criticism, those are two totally different things to address.
omg this s and n thing is so incrediblely stupid and ridiculous wtf was matpat thinking 😭
LITERALLY
like. this is about theories for a video game franchise about animatronics. why do we need to bring in a pseudo-scientific test into this??? especially to go "oh u dont like my theory? well guess what ur an s type thinker ur wrong"
Ironically this will cause even more division between people rather than unity
@@zoesusernamey'all are missing the point so hard rn
@@witherslayer-7315 WHAT POINT?????
@@zoesusername the pont is
>leaves without giving an explanation (I don't think there was a point in bringing up the dumb personality-test)
I could have sworn that matpat specifically said that the books aren't 100% canon, which you're not making him out to be. (he does say 1:1, but in context, he's talking about an occurrence in the book, not the whole book) Second you say he "misrepresents" facts when you show gregory shirt which is blue, but has a purple stripe(which I don't think matters, but saying something's not when you show said something and it is, is just plain wrong) and I haven't read the books but I don't think you gave a quote for chica being the 18th animatronic, when you accuse matpat of just saying a "fact". I think it's dumb to accuse someone of misinformation and saying that he didn't provide proof from the books, when you did the exact same thing(being no proof). Third you accuse John's connection of baby and the mimic, but are we not theorists, like he came to a conclusion, so respect it(you don't have to believe it) there are many instances in this series of things not lining up perfectly, but you have to fill in the gaps with "small clues" which may even be (a jester costume). Another thing (4:47) like dude...I know they removed it from the second one...but like you know that's not even the real Gregory in the ending, and also doing it twice, would give away the fact that that was important. (not entirely sure on this one) but I believe the ending with the bear popsicle was the "canon ending, while the ending here is not.(just thought to point that out too). (6:05)...this line just makes me angry not gonna lie...do you think a guy who worked on this game for years, would think it's just black and white...this game is generalization(literally why there's theories on it), there are almost no definitive answers in the grand scheme.(and btw, better judgement is very much a subjective statement...because the very word judgement is already someone's opinion) and matpat never says the books are 100% canon...not that I've seen at least.
Now I agree matpat did make a bad light of the s type person, but he did have a reason for believing it(aka a theory) And I strongly believe that matpat has a right to call out negativity against him and his friends, no one has a more important opinion. Whatever is happening is wrong, and I believe matpat put it out well(not even close to perfect, but well)
Now finally, I'd like to end this with: this is no attack, just an opinion of some random guy, I'm aware. But I don't like seeing a whole video dedicated to calling out negativity, especially towards someone I like. I like what you say in this video but just like how matpat could have done it, you could have also made it better. I hope you don't take offence to this, that's not my intention, but I absolutely do not agree with the negativity that is happening. And I feel like when you critique someone who's standing against the negativity, you're not exactly justifying it, but you're pretty close to.
I hope you have a good day and ignore me if you don't like what I said, or if you did(honestly you could do whatever you want) I hope we can stop this chaos, and work together again, and make new videos to enjoy, new theories to craft, and more people to have fun. I appreciate your attention to this, and I hope my words help in some way or another(or you'll never see this, which honestly is ok too lol)
Addressing the Chica point; Book: Nexxie, Story: The Mimic, Page 141, Quote:"He was turning weird creature costumes into entertaining robots, for heaven’s sake. What was useful about that? Edwin set the metal chick head on the table in front of him. This was the eighteenth animatronic character he’d been asked to create."
Thanks lol, I figured he knew what he was saying. I was just mentioning the fact he did the same thing that matpat did. But thanks anyway.@@Haley_Halo
finally someone said it! hopefully this reaches everyone. this guy is doing what matpat is calling out therefore proving matpat's point in the video.
W mans and well said
@@cortoons7889 Man, I wrote that a long time ago, wasn't expecting this many people to see it lol.
I'm glad you agree, W opinion(I'm joking obviously lol) But yeah...I just kinda got ticked off by a few(not really a few lol) things in the video and I felt the need to point it out. Glad you think so too, honestly I spent a long time making that comment, so I'm glad it was seen.
Thanks everyone for being cool and discussing. If you disagree about anything, feel free to ping me, I'm sure we could talk about it. And hey it'll bring some more comments to this video too, so it'll help this guy if we just talk lol. Anyways, Catcha later!
Adding to this video, if you really truly look back at the series, 2nd game was mainly made with the intention of a sequel, it being more lore and theory heavy, and include new things to talk about, Scott was very smart in doing that for all the games.
Another point is that there are points of the story that new people coming in wouldn't even know, like how Baby became Scrap Baby and Enard became molten freddy, or how we figured out William's name, or technically the Crying Child's name but that one is debated, unless the newer people go back and watch videos, but the magic of learning all of this and following the story somewhat at that time was the peak time to do so.
With theory making, it has its ups and downs, and there is no side to truly side on, clearly I don't like people getting harassed or rude shit sent their way for theorizing about a big topic like GregBot (personally I don't believe it but like the idea of the theory) but at the same time, the fans want to also help figure out the game, the story, figure out with the CZcamsrs, but since we all have no idea, its harder and harder to stay happy with no answers or little.
I don't know exactly what happened to cause our community to act so toxic, I hate really using that word but this is beyond how its been, from Scott's issues and him retiring early, the Pear situation, all the drama constantly with CZcamsrs and their fans, and so on. I hope one day we can come together, like the living tombstone's songs did for us, how Scott did for us in creating this fandom, how he cared about the community that first ridiculed him for his designs, but still gave us love, and most of us gave it in return.
We have to do better, be better people, enjoyers, theorists, anything and everything, for the fandom's and Scott's sake.
Thank you for making this video too, hope you have been doing well too Under Score, keep up the great work, and hope we can make this fandom better again. All the
I remember back when fnaf 4 came out, i shipped the puppet with the purple guy for some weird reason 😭😭😭😭 fandom was also experiencing those things that you absolutely cannot do now without being called out
@@tisjustangie Oh yeah, I mean everyone wanted to do the sauce with purple guy, and the animatronics aren't different either, we just say now no we arent doing it when there is a kid present obviously.
I was sorta like that too, but not how you did it, but can respect it for the weirdness it is xD
Yep, I think I stopped watching around 4 or sister location as I was personally getting burned out or just wasn't understanding what was going on, but then came back for sure after FNaF World, wish I didn't miss that one but came back where I could play it still.
@@MustacheMann22 i stayed for fnaf world but then stopped, forgot why. I was also into my singing monsters and steven universe at the time i stopped i think lol
@@tisjustangie yep! Like I didn't want to stop per say, just kinda happened, stopped watching Markiplier as much, just kinda did my own thing for a while. but glad we are back!
I feel like one of the key takeaways, is that no theorist is trying to 'spin a narrative' with information. I doubt Matpat, Fuhnaff, or anyone else is trying to purposely mislead people or tell their own version of the story, they're simply trying to point in new directions we could be going. The missing evidence is incredibly concerning, don't get me wrong- that kind of stuff is important and it should be there, in fact I 100% agree with the 'theorists need to bring actual facts on the table' thing you talked about, but I don't any of these things are left out with any genuine desire "spin their own narrative". I doubt Matpat, or anyone else, has any actual desire to do such a thing because if you're that deep into his rabbit hole, you're probably here to genuinely theorize.
And I feel like Mat's completely missed the point of 'why people don't like his theories', and I think the whole 'Personality Test' thing was his way of circumventing the actual topic with bad data. Because I think there are two parts to this. One; the misinformation and his current track record. I honestly feel like Mat's just determined to beat the dead horse that is either the Aftons or any other part of the original series without considering anything like 'how much sense does this make?' Like, a question I've had from his last few videos, when he said we should 'follow the kid of Edwin and see where he ends up', is 'how on earth would Charlie even end up in the systems of the Pizzaplex? Glitchtrap's there because he was uploaded there, but why on earth would Charlie even be there? Who would've uploaded the Puppet into the Pizzaplex?' The second reason's pretty simple, and I think might actually explain a few of the comments he showcased earlier, people just don't like what they're hearing, and so they react negatively. Twitter, Reddit, CZcams Comments 101.
And I don't think his message is about personality tests, so much as it is "FNAF needs people to look beyond the surface." Which, while not wrong, also ignores the fact surface-level interpretations are very much valid and can often be correct. (Like, we all agree the MCI happened, right? There's no contesting that with deeper research, is there-) And that if you spend too much time digging deep into things that aren't there, you'll drive yourself insane thinking you're on to something when in actuality you aren't. (Something which uh, we can see Mat sorta has a penchant for.)
Ultimately, I see what Mat was trying to do. He wanted to get try to get the community to not riot whenever they see something that goes against where THEY wanted the story to go, and for people to be more respectful to theorists who put themselves out there. And honestly, he's not wrong here, you can't ever come close to finding out a truth unless you've filtered through your options. Even if it's an idea you disagree with, you should take the time to point out WHY you disagree instead of immediately resorting to Ad Hominem. (And I'm honestly thankful that it seems like that's the message everyone took from the video.) But I feel like, as a community, we're also owed transparency from the theorists, and if we're not getting it, obviously we're going to doubt your validity. Even if it's so much as just 'reasons I excluded ex information', that'll help the community trust theory channels a lot more in the long run.
Tld;r: The FNaF community needs to chill because we are all on the same boat here, and not just belittle the theories of theorists because they don't agree with them for whatever reason. But as a community, we also need to be able to trust theorists and the accuracy of their information, because if you're not telling the truth, then what's the point of making a theory?
L take
Thank you! As a new fan (~ a year) that is older than most FNAF theorists 💀 that video concerned me for the same reasons. You explained them precisely and I appreciate that about you, always thorough and presenting truthfully 😊
I saw a comment a couple months ago from somebody only weeks down the FNAF rabbit-hole. Knowing how it feels to be new when tons have been around for many years, I welcomed them to the community in whatever capacity they wanted; whether they played the games or never have, if they read the books or not, if they become a theorist or just enjoy hearing other people's theories. It made them so happy to be accepted and valued! But this generalization will likely do the opposite 😔
... huh... i didn't know that much stuff wasn't being said in his theories, ive never really read the books, i just got the visual novels to some. But wow...
The whole s And n thing is absolutely bullshit. People love to gas themselves up and swear they have certain hobbies and traits when in reality they just need therapy.
Disclaimer, I've never played a FNAF game, or read FNAF book, but watching the theorizing community has been a long time guilty pleasure of mine. I feel like the biggest recurring problem I see is all the Ad Hominin nonsense. It's fine to say whatever you want about a theory, but a lot of people cross over into digs on the theorist giving the theory. I see this AGAINST Mat a lot, but also, he's doing it himself here once he started talking about the "S"s.
As someone who has a degree in psych and who has worked in psych/special ed for 16 years, I already starting cringing SUPER hard when I first heard him mention the MBPT, but when he started getting into this shit where he was implying that "S" people just don't have, like, the right types of brain to get it, I honestly felt a little sick.
CZcamsrs who have literally no background in psych really need to refrain from talking about it as if they are any sort of authority on the subject. People seem to have no idea how harmful it is.
Dawg you actually cooked hard with this video
I watched Matt video and i was along for the ride (haven't read the book so i don't know better) until he said the personality thing, it just didn't sit well with me, i don't know
Your video clarified a lot for me, so thank you for your work!
Damn, that bunny sprite is making me feel all kind of things x3
no
Stop
cease your behaviour this instant you heathen.
I honestly was a bit scared to watch this at first, but then when I did I absolutely agree with some of the points. It’s ok to point out the obvious toxicity of some viewers, but it’s also very important to remember that not every criticism is bad.
This game theory honest made him more unsure. Also we could see over analysis in spiffs fnaf quiz as Fuhnaff literally said toy Freddy was el chip because it was “too obvious”. That honestly makes me nervous
he said what?
@@VOgaming51official
Which animatronic is this?
John spent 15 minutes on this question. XD
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John was thinking it was Pig Patch???
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"John was FNAF-ing" Pig Patch vs. El Chip (lol 😂)
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Answer is El Chip. He is only dark brown animatronic in the franchise.
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Which animatronic is this?
John "That's Toy Freddy. But let me make sure. Ooh ooh ooh ooh, no no no, stop!" We're back! (LMAO Spiff on trolling FunNaff. 🤣)
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John "This is El Chip. Because you see the little teeth right there. Immediately, I feel like everyone would be like oh Toy Freddy. This is El Chip." (Sure buddy 😏)
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Answer is Toy Freddy. Sometimes looking at infinitesimally small details gets you ahead. Sometimes you think that old regular teeth are beaver teeth.
El Chip is quite dark brown animatronic and Toy Freddy's got them rosy cheeks.
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I could NEVER have covered that video in only 10 minutes (took me 4 times the time and wasn't as well structured)
We also need to learn the difference between cannon & continuity
In part i believe there is literally too many puzzle pieces for us to keep track at this point. All of these details, characters across multiple games and books, misleading info (such as retcons or the encyclopedia that contained misinfo)… its bound to trip up a few theorists. Hell, it even trips me up, and its why i don’t personally theorize lol
Good job on this one 👍 I think one of the issues in recent theories is the amount of content there is, there are lots and lots of books, games and other media to keep track off so if you have a theory is really hard to know everything even if it seemed solid at first, so theorists are having issues keeping track of everything and that causes misinformation...
Precisely
Its taken me weeks to try and get all the facts straight, and even here and there I make mistakes or forget some evidence that might help my case, but I ALWAYS fact-check.
@@Under_ScoreFnaf Movie and Whole Franchise need only one Change.
And that is Toxic fan community.
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They are so badass.
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Arcane is good example alternative to Canon version.
But riot games is now comfirned as Multiverse.
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Or John from FunNaff like I Solved Security Breatch ruin. 😮😊😅What can see from personal view Fnaf movie will alternative story and it comfirned second Movie becouse they are allready started write script and Actor Matthew Lillard has contract for three movies.
Arcane / Skin Lines / Valorant
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Like Marvel Comics and MCU
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@@Under_Score this was something I was thinking about when you talked getting every fact correct. The amount of effort to fact check everything in a script would be a tedious amount of work. And due to mat not being solely focused on fnaf creating I think 2 to 4 videos a week across his channels it's near impossible to get every fact correct. Obviously mat does have a team but I think the fnaf portion is like 3. Should definitely be more for the size of the franchise but this was just my take on how he probably gets info wrong.
(This is a useless rant about the 2 extremes of how people view matpat) As a huge matpat fan my main problem with the fnaf community/matpat subscribers is 1. the people who take his theories as fact and yell at anyone who challenges it 2. people who constantly hate on him for a video they can just ignore. Like guys, do you think he's serious when he makes a film theory saying bluey is secretly evil? No 😭 To me, some things ESPECIALLY his channels where he uses actual data in like food theory and stuff, are very entertaining, and even his theories when i disagree are still interesting to me. He's even said once before that he doesnt care if you agree or not (unless youre being hateful about it) he wants people to think way outside the box- so its so dumb to me when people obsess or get genuinely complain/yell about him all the time- you both look ridiculous. Sorry that was a really long comment, theres just 2 extreme sides and they're both annoying 🤧
@Nareate idk either tbh- ots called a THEORY for a reason. Matpats shit can be wild but tbh he's just creating his own branch of a story with Fnaf at this point and I'm pretty sure he fully realizes that. But people absolutely tear him and other theorists apart when they come up with some random things or when people don't agree- that's what Matt's video was about- ofc he didn't really mention the constructive criticism because it wasn't the point of his video 😭
@@rex_is_dead my main problem is that a lot of people (aside from, say, new FNAF fans) like those who don't read the books mostly believe what he says, which makes theorizing with those kinds of people awkward af when they realize that what they thought was true is wrong and/or only partially wrong
@kianrodriguez4455 yeah 😭 those fans I just. I cannot stand. I even have a friend who admitted he would watch matpat- but it's some of his fans that drive him away
Great video that like most of the comments say, hit points that most others ive seen are ignoring
I just wish Scott would give us some ACTUAL answers like he did when he told us he changed Dream Theory. Its almost not even fun anymore because we have almost nothing to latch on to as facts.
Heck even the last guide book was filled with false information and ommitting characters that we thought existed
Like at the bare minimum tell us what extent are we supposed to use the books
Because with as many theories Pokemon, Mario etc has. We can bare minimum agree on most major points
I'm pretty sure Dream Theory just wasn't the original intention at this point.
I did think that there was something off with the video, thanks
This. It's something i've been saying for years at this point. the The issue with current fnaf theories these day's is The fundemental Story telling of fnaf. Sure Solving Mysteries was something fnaf always had. the difference now is that fnaf is just simply TOO big to work that way anymore. back in the day's of the original theory the theorising was about things that had already happened long ago by that point. We had bullet points and events at the Beginning(as fnaf 2 showed what actually happened), the middle(fnaf 1 which raised the mysteries of what happened in the past) and the end.(fnaf 3 which was where it all came together in a satisfying finale)
but nowdays most theorising is about what WILL happen next. what the next big reveal WILL be. so it's just a bunch of Rivaling head canons and interpertations. With Fnaf VR it was understandable. It was a soft reboot that was supposed to be a new beginning with new characters and Lore Only loosely tied to the Previous Afton saga. And people where exited to see where things were going.
Whatever happened behind closed doors during security breach REALLY fucked up any plans they had. So now we're left with questions that i don't think Steel wool or Scott 100% know the answers to. and Scott is just Trying to course correct with the books. But the fundimental Flaw witht he books is that they Are only half canon The stories are non canon. but only SOME aspects of the books Are canon. so it becomes a whole new useless layer for theorists to solve. what official information can we even trust to solve this other mystery people are actually interested in.
no one is asking for Fnaf to be black and white. What people are asking for is the information to work with to be Black and white. we just Need to know What information is trust worthy.
So yeah i don't even really blame the theorists on this. It's the current way of Story telling that is flawed. I RELLY hope all this get's sorted out soon son so we can leave this era of the Series and fandom to exist as a Small period of Fumbles and Mis steps.
Im frankly shocked mats brain hasnt turned to mush yet
Honestly I agree 100% with this video, the points are all presented and expressed just the way they should be to get the correct point across!
Yeah this is a great video. I agree with pretty much everything you said.
Amazing video glad you decided to give your opinion!
i agree with everything you said
I did thought Matpat’s video was decent. He brought up a great problem that exists within the series, but ends up labeling certain people for certain beliefs in a fictional series. I think this video does a great job at revealing more problems with FNaF theorizing and showing all the problems with Matpat’s newest video. Great job Under_Score.
Thank you for this video! You perfectly sum up how i feel about matpats video
EXACTLY. THANK YOU.
All I’m saying is the ending with Gregory and helpy and Vanessa eating ice cream is goten by putting a mask on in front of a fredbaer cutout but honestly i just don’t know what to believe wen it comes to FNAF
As someone whos been in this FNaF fandom since it begun, we really need to stop stepping on each others toes. And matpat is definitely not helping with how he made his video.
I think protomario said it best on his community tab personally.
I think one of biggest problems with FNaF theorizing is that we often forget that humans aren't perfect. Scott made mistakes during his time as lead developer and so has SteelWool. Treating every pixel like a piece of the puzzle that will solve everything will drive you crazy because there's some errors here and there.
Finally - a NUANCED take
Your character is just so cool, cute, and more tbh. I kind of want to possess it and play around with it.
I am still of the opinion that there is no canon story to FNAF and I'll just enjoy whatever as long as Steel Wool Studios and Scott Cawthon can finally know what they're doing.
like i understand why matpat used the personality's test with the smash bros vid but that was dumb fun but when you use it for bull crap makes no sense, I am an INFP but because of my ADHD i show signs of other personality traits like INFJ and ENFJ i might make a video on it but thank you for talking about that part of his video
It frustrates me to no end when theorists base their theories on false facts. There is a lot of stuff in fnaf, some mistakes make sense and those are okay, but the basis of your theory should be something you check up on. Gametheory has multiple people working on it, they are a big enough channel that they should be able to do something like check sources.
I know you said this isnt a jab or a way to start drama in the theorist community but i do respect you challenging some of these points in a constructive and respectful way. I don’t like echo chambers personally, so I appreciate your take.
From my perspective as an outsider to the theory community, this is one of the best takes on the situation. The FNaF fandom is often needlessly hostile to creators in general and I'm glad they're being called out; the problem is that MatPat went about it in the absolute worst way possible. Never mind Mat's penchant for speaking before he thinks, never mind that the Myers-Briggs test is pseudoscience, never mind that he's ranting about disagreements over bear game. Labeling any criticism, constructive or otherwise, as an unsavory personality trait is a truly moronic mindset and spreading it to an impressionable audience is bound to result in harassment and further division.
I think criticism of MatPat usually doesn't go far enough, if anything. You don't see any other major theorist consistently pushing misinformation and reductive viewpoints like this, and they'd be much less likely to get away with it if they did. People are constantly bending over backwards to find excuses for him, just look at the intense backlash to any critics after this video. His handling of this is ignorant at best and frankly, it makes me glad I stopped theorizing long ago.
It's nice to see some nuance in this video, considering the other theorists have been backing Mat all the way. Everyone I've met in that group is awesome and I know Mat is a huge inspiration for them, but it's okay to admit when there's obvious flaws in the work of someone you admire.
This is exactly why I moved to other fnaf theorists cause at least they talk about the stories problems and criticize it.
Yeah I agree while I do think matpat gets unnecessary hate I don't think people actually criticize him (more so his theories) enough. This is just from my experiences though I'm sure people have seen the opposite
Honestly, I was kinda off put by the Myers-Brigg and personality thing- I think Matt chose it because it's like, very, very popular among the generation today? Plus, lots of schools also seem to be putting a bit of stock into it so it's regarded highly. That being said, I doubt he was trying to make it appear unsavory, he just isn't the type of guy who'd actually say something like that, but there's also things you imply by saying something, whether it's intentional or not, and I think Matt's whole 'you need to read DEEPER!' thing is actually kinda dumb because a surface level interpretation is by no means a wrong one. If you try reading too much for metaphors and symbolism that just isn't there, you begin to hallucinate the wildest shit into existence.
@@radiantbunny it all feels like he was saying "I'm right you are all idiots that can think and this proves my point"
@@loft777 yea it kinda did feel like that
This was a good analysis. Particularly around the myers Briggs test. I have taken it and gotten consistent results, but it’s nothing more than a fun exercise without any actual scientific rigor behind it. It’s widely accepted and used because it tends to reinforce preconceived notions of self but in this context it absolutely draws down to an us vs them mentality.
As I’ve not read the books I cannot speak to the accuracy of the book theory facts, but I’m torn on how much hate that the channel deserves for it. The theory channels pump out an insane amount of scripted content every week. Inaccuracies are going to happen as scale increases, but on the other hand this is a series in particular that MatPat stakes a claim of expertise on.
My only complaint with this video is taking the scholastic email as hard factual evidence that the phrase is still in play. It is closer to official than nothing, but it feels much more like a quick response from the marketing team that was then expanded and sent to the customer inquiring than a true official statement. Especially when, as noted, some of the tales stories contain obviously non canon elements. So, he undermines his own point against MatPat’s point to come to the same conclusion. The books are not 100% canon, but can be used to understand and inform events in the series. After that it’s using judgement for what to use and exclude. With that it is impossible to get away from complaints of cherry picking when it comes to the stories, but you can’t just ignore them either.
But yeah, the community didn’t need more “us vs them” ammunition.
People need to be more polite to each other in general. No fighting over who’s theory is right, it shouldn’t matter. Just discuss because it’s a common interest or to get a different approach, not to push your point onto others. This shouldn’t be a right or wrong situation, by the end we’re ALL going to be wrong anyways knowing Scott.
Great video
He was also just coming off as extremely condescending the whole video, what a way to address your fans, I think he's jumping on the "new fans discourse" or whatever you wanna call the drama that tenured fans are making of new fans for literally no reason.
I don’t think he’s jumping on the “new fans discourse”. He’s pointing out how the space can be a hostile when it comes to theory crafting. So I would it’s completely different tbh.
Definitely could’ve been a better video tbh. Even though I agree with most of what he says. But like I said, it has its flaws lol.
@@soomi5667 I think you might be misunderstanding what I mean about: "new fan discourse"? Please correct me if I'm wrong. 👍
I'm referring to the S-thinker and N-thinker theory he has, that he's saying fans brought in by the newest games are S-thinkers and they just aren't "big brained" enough to "properly understand" MatPat's "amazing N-thinker theories", which is basically what the "Theory Fandom" has apparently dissolved into: N-thinkers disparaging the theory of anyone they deem an S-thinker, implying they have an inferior ability to accumulate and connect evidence, so it just seems like he's siding with his fellow N-thinkers over nonsense to ensure he keeps favor with the majority of his fan base, I mean why divide the community further by perpetuating an infamously bigoted pseudo-scientific personality quiz that he knows is just as unreliable as being sorted into a Harry Potter House? That's just enabling toxicity, even though his argument for S-thinkers being the reason why MOST OF EVERYONE dislikes his new theories(Not him ignoring the fact that MOST OF EVERYONE in his fanbase is an N-thinker of course.) completely fell apart as soon as he acknowledged the quiz being a conman's creation.
And his smarmy demeanor is nothing new, whenever he has to sit down and address (scold) his audience about disagreeing with him he always has a holier-than-thou attitude, I'm used to it but it still grinds my gears.
@@Hunter_VanderMatthews Ohh wait I get your point now lol.
Tbh I kinda wish now that he kept out the N and S stuff out. It does seems like it might’ve been him trying to say we all think differently, and that’s okay.
But it really can be read as saying the opposition’s thinking isn’t so great and whatnot. Just seems to be more divisive the more people bring it up. Even though I think mat had the best intentions with it.
@@soomi5667 I was slightly worried that was completely incomprehensible because I re-read it too many times I guess. 😂
Yeah it seems like that, I agree, but I just can't see it as genuine attempt to bridge the divide between different thinkers, between his demeanor and his "S-thinkers are the reason everyone's big mad about my theories", seems like he's using a scapegoat, I don't know if I'm N or S but I don't have any problems with his theories(Apparently that makes me an N-thinker.), but that might be just because I tend to absorb content at face-value(Whoops, maybe I'm an S-thinker actually. 😂).
He probably did have good intentions, but I guess he really doesn't stick the landing very well.
How come nobody is mentioning Scott Cawthon himself? We can go on and on about how the theorists get things wrong but who was the one who made one of if not the most confusing and excruciating franchises to theorize about? I'm not saying he's the only one we should blame but let's not forget about him. It seems like he's so hellbent to make the most indecipherable lore known to man. Let's be real here, Scott is not the best writer around. Instead of taking the time to plan out the bigger picture, he buries his stories in layers upon layers of code as if he were pretending to be CIcada 3301. He chickened out of Dream Theory and the rest is history. It's like a captain desperately trying to patch a broken boat. No matter how many holes you fix, eventually, you just need to get another boat. And hope that this time, the foundation is solid and you're more prepared in case things do go wrong. And I feel like the FNAF movie is this other boat. It's not following any of the stories in the games or books. It's its own entity that borrows concepts and ideas from the franchise.
"We can go on and on about how the theorists get things wrong but who was the one who made one of if not the most confusing and excruciating franchises to theorize about?"
While yes, Scott is partially responsible for this, I feel like the community at large is also at fault as a lot of old (and even some new) fans seem unable to let go of previous theories or admit that they're wrong without official confirmation from Scott himself, which leads to this messy territory where it's like trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle with a rubix cube.
"It seems like he's so hellbent to make the most indecipherable lore known to man."
Just... no? He's not intentionally trying to make people pull their hair out, like at all. Most of the lore was improvised on the spot and taken on *from* theories, since he had barely any time to write the story with the first game being an overnight success and the 4th coming out literally less than a year later. While yes, again, he is partly responsible for this, he isn't sitting back in his chair like the fucking Riddler, rubbing his hands together and cackling as Matpat releases his 100th theory on it.
"Instead of taking the time to plan out the bigger picture, he buries his stories in layers upon layers of code as if he were pretending to be Cicada 3301."
A lot of that *was* focusing on the bigger picture, like the hidden conversation between Glitchtrap and Vanny. I get that can be frustrating but like, adding ARG elements to your story isn't a crime.
"He chickened out of Dream Theory and the rest is history."
Well what did you want him to do? Yes, Dream Theory did appear to be the canon at the time, but people like you and me would be unbelievably angry if the story actually ended with "We were just sleeping!" He had written himself into a corner and had no choice but to do a 180, unless he wanted a weak, unsatisfying ending.
I'm also not trying to say Scott is the best writer known to man, so please don't take this comment that way. I despise people who treat Scott like a god when it comes to storytelling and get hyper-offended whenever someone questions that. But a lot of the points in this comment seem a bit weak. Overall I do think we should be partially blaming Scott, but this comment just kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I just misunderstood it. Regardless, hope you're having a good day.
I agree with you but I am gonna watch mat still because I feel like i am watching a horror show
7:24 but they're named burntrap and the blob in the files
The blob is actually called tangle in the files and those are place holder names
The princess was called Cassidy in the files originally, but not anymore. So I don’t think file names are that important…
And now Blob is named Tangle in the files, right?
@@titan7789 he was actually always called Tangle in the files, hes never actually named "the blob" anywhere in SBs files.
The name "the blob" came from people just misinterpreting how Steel wool named his model.
Tangles model is actually two different models.
The main mass of costumes and wires is called "Tangle_Blob"
and the tentacles which are called "Tangle_Tentacle"
People just misunderstood the context of what "Blob" is, it's not the characters name, it's the description of which half of the character model it is
simply put I really don't think every character and thing in the books in cannon there is just no way with the amount of stuff in there only there are some things that have canonicity like mimic or ggy but everything else is mainly parallel or alternate universe in the same style of the og books cause the amount of characters and thing that are just not accounted and we should see is baffling due to amount of books there are its similar to agents of shield from mcu they have there own story but sometimes slightly connected with events from the movies doesn't mean its cannon though fully until we see connection that is how people should view the books not as 100 percent true but could be true if you have the right evidence
Exactly what and who are unaccounted for? The books litterally solve all of the issues you bring up here? So I'm confused about what exactly you think is preventing them from being part of the games story?
@@Skibbutz I mean from the books to game not games to book like the bobbie dots or happs or lally dolls theres just way too much just not present the hotels even and a lot of other elements from the books aren't in the games
Y do u keep changing the title and thumbnail
One of my biggest problems was just the opening, Matpat comes out of the gate so heated, as if his career hasn't booned from hate watchers just as much as real watchers. But seriously, what negative person who watches his videos would sit through being called out, just to hear Matpat talk about the actual topic?
when/where was the fact chica was the 18th stated as the books are not 100% cannon so just because its in the books does not mean it is so
You can’t say Edwin made Chica and not say in which order she was made in. Use the whole context or none of it. Otherwise it’s actually cherry-picking.
Though in this case that’s not what May is doing, he’s just misquoted the book.
At the end of the video reminded me of the gametheory video golden Freddy never existed which made me now think that it was an abstract thinker (n) who didn't see the open plot holes that an s:er would see.
What really bugged me is how MatPat addresses Criticism period. Criticisms like him not doing enough research or Misleading, never get bought up, and when they do He Cherrypicks the WORST Criticisms made by children like "This gave me cancer" or "Mat is a poopy face" When real Criticism gets placed in the same category, just for him to make them look like heretics, "Oh listen to this guy, I MAKE FAKE EVIDENCE, yeah right I MATPAT MAKE FAKE EVIDENCE how dare you just make such am accusation" remember this is the same guy who claimed Mario doesn't thank Luigi at the end of Mario is Missing only for it to be the next cutscene.
You completely missed the point of the video. He's calling out blind haters, not people who actually care and are giving real suggestions. Also, I thought the ending of mario is missing was a thank you to the player for playing the game. (But he should do a video where he talks about actual constructive criticism)
You're right exactly spot on, the reasons for hate isn't "hate for the sakes of hate" like matpat tried to present it, they're much, much deeper and go as far as the fact that he and fuhnaff base their whole theories on the misinformation that then millions from their audiences watch and take as gospel. And the fact that matpat refused not only to acknowledge it but also decided to mix all the critics of him with the dirt only fired up the community even more. Neithere there's a "general hate against all theorists", as it's only mostly matpat and fuhnaff who do the misinformation things and get the factual basics completely made up in their "theories". Another huge problem with matpat's theorizing is how he and then also his massive audience put the whole blame on fnaf's lore "complexity" solely on scott and steelwool, when it's none other than matpat who makes the stuff unnecessarily complicated for interpretation. None of this hate would've happened if both of them acknowledged this and fixed their misinformative ways of theorizing.
I agree with this comment
I'm sorry but you're just wrong. I've seen completely random video that have said things, and this is a direct quote, "Matpat is just an idiot acting smart that likes to act better than you". And I've seen plenty of other things about Matpat being dumb, judgmental, selfish, or just a prick.
Don't get me wrong, yes there ARE issues with plenty of Matpat's videos, but to act like he does not get hate just to be hated is a straight out lie.
@@nahte123456 The problem is that matpat presents the hate situation as if it's ONLY "hate for the sakes of hating" through the retarded comments he presented, basically generalizing in a way that "this is how all his critics look like" which is dead wrong and basically encourages his audience to view any critics of matpat identically.
@@lordfoxquaad1611 bruh did you even watch the damn video? he did not mention that all critics are like those horrible comments about his theories? he also said that he is welcome to all critics as long as it's valid.
@@lordfoxquaad1611 just no? He talks about seeing comments on other people's videos but doesn't present th all, thus we know he's simply picking examples not a complete list. You're reaching to blame him there.
A amazing video! ❤
Honestly fnaf and community need a reset start wipe tge slate clean a do over call it what you want and start looking at the Franchise again with all the information we now currently have stop the he said she said and just look at everything with a fresh start a do over like a said i hope that makes sense
The community fell apart after Scott Cawthon left its been separated ever since (not a hate comment)
It can still repair itself without him,my opinion
I don't think it fell apart without him I think it just showed the cracks more
I wonder if the scott hate invited a bunch of toxic people into the fandom
@@tisjustangie you might be right
To be frank, Id wish the Game Theorist just treat the FNAF series like how they Petscop now(as in letting it die)
mat pat came off as really (unintentionally) smug in this video to me. he didn’t even respond to any actual criticisms of his theories. like, i appreciate him trying to be respectful and encouraging being respectful to other creators. that’s obviously agreeable. but he only responded to stuff written by either children or incredibly immature people who should just be ignored, and even then all he said was “erm, TOUCH GRASS! LOL!”
then he spends a decent amount of the video reiterating ‘evidence’ for gregbot that already has been widely contested at best and debunked at worst, but doesn’t update his arguments to address any issues. he spends the rest of the basically explaining that the reason people don’t like some of his videos isn’t that they might be wrong or poorly argued, it’s only because you actually just don’t get it! you big dumb dumb, you just can’t make anything more than basic observations, unlike the n types, who are much deeper thinkers!
there’s zero self reflection in mat’s video. he would rather rely on pseudoscience than actually think about why, all of a sudden, the fnaf theorist community at large has stopped taking his videos as seriously. surely he can’t be wrong about something, it’s actually the viewer’s fault for not thinking about it in the right way
Because that's not the point? Like...have you seen some of the hate some theories or theorists get? This was not a response to the theories themselves, that'd be a completely different video.
Like if you don't like the video good on you, more power and all that, but to act like he tried to address counter points when he never did is just trying to make an issue.
the fact that theorist and critics like you feels so targeted even though you don't need to be because matpat is just calling out the pointless hate he's getting, makes me think that you are just part of those haters so please leave the fnaf community
@@nahte123456 if that wasn’t the point then why would he spend half the video defending gregbot? if this were a video just about the harassment theorists receive, i wouldn’t be saying anything. but it isn’t, the video spends a majority of its time defending his theories without actually addressing counter arguments. it ends up coming off as incredibly unfocused and messy.
@@azrienstewartenasen1508 he isn’t just calling out pointless hate though, he spends half the video defending gregbot without actually addressing criticisms of the theory. if he wants to make defending gregbot, then he should make a video solely dedicated to that and address common criticisms. if he wants to make a video about baseless criticism and harassment, then he should just make a video about that. instead he made this unfocused and messy video that’s about harassment (which is bad) but also a gregbot defense without actually defending from criticism and also a video about pseudoscience that’s just going to arbitrarily divide community more, ESPECIALLY when you present n types as being inherently smarter and s types as being inherently more simple
@@Shrekinspace did you even watch the video? He didn't, he pointed put the issue with boiling down theories to base points and brought up the other points that don't get talked about.
I've seen his gregbot videos, he has a bunch of other points he didn't bring up because he's not defending it. You're doing literally what he said people were, boiling down his actual arguments to a basic and wrong counterpoint to try to "win".
It’s not MatPats fault
I feel bad for him in the hole ordeal really
No insult to him but frankly, I don't think he'll ever see these videos. He seems to have a tendency to... Trying to be not rude here, not wanting to be wrong at all
Not being rude, it's just a bit of a sad truth that Mat kinda seems like someone who needs to be right a lot of the time
I agree with most things in this video.
Point of clarification: Operationalizing question on how do you “just get the facts right” ? You say that as of there’s some scientifically validated journal or governing body for the “correct interpretation” of FNAF information.
I think it’s an incredibly difficult prospect to keep up with ALL of FNAF lore, news, 3rd party publisher statement, etc. Do y’all need to establish an official FNAF Theorycrafting Association wiki with layers of validation from at least 5 groups of people (so Theorist team can only have one slot). It might need at least one slot too for that angry commenter for at least fair representation of all parties…? , etc.
I’ll stop there. I’m getting lost in the sauce. I don’t even know if the fairly academic example I am giving is helping 😂
But I’m legitimately curious how you think groups of creators can easily accomplish “just getting the facts right” when this entire ecosystem has gotten so huge and impossible to keep up with for individuals.
thank you! i just felt so targeted when he brought up the books. im beginning to think "hey matpat, have you read the books entirely?" and like he just brings out the books and is like you are wrong!!!!!
Loved how Matt used my post TWICE at different points and censored my name the second time to try to make it look like two posts. Also, the post wasn't toxic, and was rather respectful in my view. I even said that if MatPat isn't passionate, he shouldn't feel pressured to cover Fnaf if he doesn't want to and should be free to work on things he IS passionate about. That is not toxic, that is supportive. I stand by everything I said in that post. I deleted it because there were other people apparently being threatened for their posts, I was one of the lucky ones who wasn't. I honestly just didn't want to have a ton of notifications that someone wants to do me harm or something, so I deleted the post. I'm not scared of those kinds of threats, they're just honestly a mildly irritating inconvenience to me having to get rid of their notification. Regardless, I once again reiterate that I stand by every single word of that post.
Oh dang, you were the Film Theory Comment, sucks people started getting hate from their comments showing up online. Yours did look really respectful which is good.
are you actually hearing yourself? you support those kind of tweets and comments that matpat has been getting like "dumb dumb dumb" and "this is literal cancer". you are really the one who's making the community look bad and i hope you permanently leave the community because you support these kind of tweets.
I would say that I hope MatPat sees this, but given his defensiveness in that video and many previous, I think he'd just ignore it... These are the reasons I don't watch him.
He seems to be very willing to look at other peoples opinions. I know that didn’t come across well here but, he’s pretty open to it. So I hope he sees all the feedback for this video anyhow.
Make 3 golden rules
Then claiming Matpat is so wrong when only Scott know which one right
Do not generalize, then saying matpat make theory with incorrect information, ok man you the most right ppl right now
After that saying Matpat never read all the book when he and their team working hard for that
I think all theorist just the same, they just want believe what they want to believe
Also that gregory ice cream stuff
It's discarding important evidence and the most bad move ppl do in theorizing.
Saying scott intentionally change it when it's just Cassie cope (brazil ending) is just bad as misinformation.
how old are you
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i feel that matpat used the MBTI as a tool to defend himself, the entire video felt like he was personally attacked and had to blame the critics in some way, they have to be the ones in the wrong. he was mad and hurt and that's why he used the MBTI ethier knowing or not that it's regarded as pseudo-science.
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I disagree with the whole disregarding of the jester and the mimic, because it’s STILL a jester, even if not a red one
The mimic litterally murders the imagery of circus baby in the epilogues, in a very explicit scene which deconfirms any potential connection between the two characters.
The mimic = Baby theory just does not work
@@Skibbutz I ain’t saying it does, I’m just that a jester costume not being the right colour isn’t good enough do disregard it.
Also I’m curious, what epilogue is that in?
@@someonenamedsomeone9497 epilogue 7
Theres a section of the story which cuts to the Mimics POV, in which it takes issue with a certain pig-tailed doll it finds in FFPS and tears it to shreds
@@TheMainChannelViewer the point is that there is no connection. The mimic doesn't value baby, he didn't look at the doll and go "hey that's me!", he just destroyed it like all other humanoid units it encounters
@@Skibbutz
"Mimic isn't burntrap and glitchtrap and books are not cannon mimic is also cb" *- foolish words from follish people*
To be fair, the whole thing with the books was kind of a mess when you think about it...
Before, people didn't want to used them for theories, like side quest. (Exploring ideas but no plot progress)
And now it's apparently the opposite ?
I don't even remember when or why that happen...
Theories wouldn't be fun if it was easy, right ?
Personally, theories and "What if ?" all you want, who knows... You might find a interesting takes or make you think about something differently.
Kinda like math, some people do it differently but ended up having the same result.
This is why i don't like the books and the fact that we have to read and re read them several times in order to make theories about the games. I wanna go back to the times when we just had the games and didn't have to read anything other than the guid books and character encyclopedia
5:32 you can’t argue that the email proves that books are canon. The line never confirmed that the books were canon in the first place. The fact that it got removed doesn’t necessarily change anything, but the email saying “it’s removal doesn’t indicate anything about the content” also doesn’t confirm anything. There is no direct confirmation of anything.
one of my biggest issues with matt's new video is that he felt the need to spend the first half of it being high and mighty about his theories, and claiming that those who disagree with him (myself included) are wrong, disingenuous, etc., which is just not the case. there are tons of extremely valid criticisms to be made of matt's fnaf theories, especially the security breach and ruin theories as well as the timeline videos, and the way he completely brushes those off and invalidated them is very frustrating and also didn't start his video on a good note.
my biggest problem with matt's fnaf content since his security breach playthrough is his tunnel vision, and it's biting him in the ass in this video as well. and it's very glaring when so many of his fnaf theorist contemporaries don't have that issue at all, and are very open to new information and the opinions and, most importantly, criticisms of others. that coupled with the frequent blatant misinformation, particularly regarding the books that a large portion of his viewers and theory community at large don't read, is really putting me off of his fnaf theory content.
that's not to say that the community isn't far, FAR too harsh on theories, they absolutely are, but that doesn't negate any of my above points or a lot of matt's arguments and rhetoric in his video being questionable at best.
i really appreciate your take on all of this btw! i'm glad people, including fnaf content creators, are voicing their opinions and concerns on this matter.
Yooo
I wanted to make an paragraph long content debating and debunking this video. But then i thought, why dont i touch grass? Then i did.
And now, ill say this, Fnaf Lore and its community, is like The Christian Bible and its Believers, excluding Athiests or Anti-Thiests or other religions. This Hate Train will never end. So long as Fnaf exists, because like the Bible and its believers, no one can agree to disagree. We all see things differently. I for one support Matpat wholeheartedly. 😊
We found our S
I'm definitely a little mad at matpat, not only has he further divided the fnaf theory fanbase, but he has also fired shots at us for doing exactly what he does in his own videos.
I'm not going to go on a hate campaign over it, but I am immensely dissapointed.
he's only going after the pointless haters, not the critics and other theorist
you're the disappointment here
man so many dumb comments here in this video. this video should be taken down because clearly it is trying to paint matpat in a bad picture.
@@azrienstewartenasen1508where did the video does that? It literally points out the issue fnaf theories has gonned, nit matpat himself
And matpat was clear in the video that he was talking about the critics as well.
Even if matpat made valid point that does not make his methots of theorising any good especially when you strech the info and not been aware of spreading misinformation when matpat's defence is "that is what i see things"
Both this video and the og game theory suck.
I agree 90% with what matpat is saying but its worded in a laughably horrible way, this video is a strawman although its an understandable one considering mat doesnt really understand how to communicate what he is trying to say.
Underscore here also doesnt understand how theories, arguments and logic even works and how people get (irrationally) mad over them.
Basically, Matpat is big dumb dumb because miscommunication, this video is big dumb dumb because misrepresentation and lack of understanding over the topic, and the comments here are big dumb dumb because everything.
TBH a lot of y'all need to go outside. If you let a 15-20 minute video about a pizza bear ruin your day that's a you problem. If I don't agree with a video I simply click off the video 💁
I hope mat gets cancelled at some point.
Why?
Thats not the right way to go about it.
The guy didn’t do anything to deserve that.
I agree that the N and S grouping is unnecessary, however I think he has a point as to what mindset one has to have when analyzing FNAF. It could have been phrased better, like "you really need to be open minded" or something like that. It's not that Ns are better at theorizing, but rather that theorizing itself has certain rules that some people might not be used to. I think he used the MBTI as a way to simplify this concept but ended up not being really effective
Who cares? Theory making is just fun and shouldnt be taken so seriously. Let him do whatever videos he wants
No
Using Incorrect Information goes against the very fundamentals of "Theorizing"
One thing that bothered me when watching the video is how he said the pizzaolex was shaped like a pizza slice when this is just not true it was said to be shaped like a circle and how he compared gregbot to dream theory when atleast to me they aren't comparable
maybe it was both a pizza slice and a circle? (And if it that's true, it just shows that it can change lol)
@@titan7789 it was a circle but divided into sections like pizza slices
I’m pretty sure he was taking about the shape of both the pizzaplexes in tales and the one in SB. One’s like a pizza, the other a circle.
@@soomi5667 the Pizzaplex was never a pizza slice though it was a circle that was divided into different sections like a cut pizza
@@dumbly-stupid From what I remember in the books, it was said it looked somewhat like a pizza. If it’s not a slice, then I guess mat messed up there.
But he did make sure to note the differences between game and books pizzaplexes. The one in the games is more circle-like, and the one in the books is kinda like a pizza. I guess he could’ve been more descriptive and specific with his info.