Elgar'nan | a WINDBAG fire mage | Dragon Age: the Veilguard
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Elgar'nan (ell-GAR-nan) is another villain in DA4. He will surprise you by being less impressive than we imagined. I must say it's even a bit disappointing because Ghilanain looks far more evil than him. He's just...angry and fixated on stones hahaha
00:00 Warning SPOILERS
00:06 Elgar'nan vs. Cassandra
00:54 God of Vengence
01:04 Mythal is not his wife
01:43 Titanborn
03:11 Filtering the half-truths
03:34 The Abyss is in Thedas
03:55 Property in the Void
04:14 A military man
05:00 Made statues out of bodies
05:36 All gods are fiction
06:53 Mythal's Fate
07:45 Elven-rhino-ninja-turtles
07:54 Family bond
08:20 Another propaganda
08:37 My theory, let's talk! - Hry
I think Elgar'nan has a deep connection to the blight. The horns on his back kind of give it away. In Origins and Awakening there are chantry statues that are defiled by the darkspawn, these statues all have the crescent horns added on their back and sometimes horns on their head. In the deep roads we even see them add the horns on random objects. This whole time they were worshipping Elgar'nan.
Wow, that is a cool thing to think about 🤔 Thanks for sharing!
Actually, DA:Origins hinted at Falon'Din as the will behind the Blight: The eluvian we interact with in the dalish elf origin sits in a place dedicated to him, and the darkspawn that broke into the Tower of Ishal at the Battle of Ostagar, did so through elven ruins adorned with the "Falon'Din skull". There is even an old elvhen song affirming he "mastered the dark that lies", and a constellation codex entry that pretty much says Falon'Din = Lusacan, the old god of night, one of the 2 remaining uncorrupted old gods.
Nonetheless, that is 15 years old lore, most likely retconned by the new BioWare.
Technically they all do they strongly elude that the Elf gods are the origin of the blight.
The Game Informer article did confirm that the Elven gods in Veilguard are blighted
I think that most/all Evanuris probably turned into dragons, and considered dragons their divine symbol of sorts (and it's why they punished non-Evanuris who took on dragon form).
I think you're right. Not just that, manybof them seem to have a 'favored' animal form for themselves and their followers. (I.e. ravens, bears, owls). I think this is related to the shape-shifting magic that Flemeth taught Morrigan.
Good vid 💪🏻 keep them coming it’s gonna be a long 3 months 😂
The struggle is real 🤣🤣🤣 If I remember correctly, the next what people asked for was Andruil!
@@ImpGoose Andruil arguably the most interesting of the gods so yes pls
Sorry, long theory coming up! You triggered something xD
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If we compare the Elvish creation myth of Elgar'nan with the Christian one (as devs have taken inspiration from our world's history, myths, legends and religions), then we could say the following; The spirits were modelled after angels, full of the power to create but not having the creativity or will do do so. They were jealous of the second creations; humans, who lacked the spark of creation, but had plenty of will to shape the world around them to their needs.
(Quick refresher on Solas' creation story, pieced together from various codex entries, Cole and other sources;
Solas was given a body made from the earth by Mythal. He was a spirit of Wisdom or something similar and she called him down into the body. He bore her Vallaslin for a while and after he burned that off for some reason, he chose to keep a scar on his forehead to remind him of it. Back to Elgar'nan and the other Evanuris;)
If the earth doesn't mean Titan but creatures that are not spirits, than the sky/sun could be the spiritual world. Elgar'nan was the first spirit to make/take a body. Other spirits were jealous as Elgar'nan now had the power to not just dream but also create. The other spirits were jealous, leading to demons that he had to take care of for a while. That is until Mythal, another spirit, also learned how to make/take a body and calmed everything down. Elgar'nan was not alone anymore, and the jealous spirits understood there might be a way for them to get a body too; by having Mythal make them.
As Mythal has been rumored to have created a body for Solas eventually, I think she made one for their five 'children' first. Those Evanuris that the Dalish often think are direct descendants from Elgar'nan and Mythal, but whom I think might be the first five they gave bodies too, the strongest spirits to show a will to have a body. Further proof of this might be Mythal's mosaic where she holds 5 smaller elves in her arms, like children; Falon'din, Dirthamen, Andruil, Sylaise and June.
We know Ghilan'nain was lifted to godhood later. I think she started as an elf and aspired to become more, hence her body dysmorphia and experimentations. Perhaps after years of creating lesser elves, someone recognised some strong spark of magic (the ability to dream ánd shape) in her and shared with her the knowledge to become more.
The Evanuris were the strongest among their people, gained followers and that idolation made them even stronger. Like how certain strong beliefs and emotions can shape a stronger spirit or dreamlandscape in Thedas today, leading to spirits like Justice and Cole being able to take shape. Worshipping one of the Evanuris made them stronger. Hence Falon'din wanting more and more followers, until he had to be stopped in fear of overpowering the other Evanuris.
Solas' wolven statues are found guarding or warning (either laying down or howling), so I think he might have been called down by Mythal into a body as a peacekeeper of some kind. It allowed him access to all other Evanuris' domains, let him see how they treated their 'followers' (slaves), and secretly undermine them without them realising it. He could move among them with ease. Mythal might have even offered him a body just to help her stop them, with him being a powerful spirit that at first did not want a body but she convinced him.
Once Andruil found the Taint in the Void (inside the body of a corrupted/sick Titan perhaps) Mythal had to cure them and remove the knowledge of where they got it. But the Evanuris now knew there was a place where they could find more power. Even more than the Lyrium and hearts they already took by force from the other Titans. So they eventually got Tainted again, and Solas ended up working together with Mythal to stop them. The other Evanuris realised she was undermining them, so she got killed before her and Solas could execute their plan. Solas he did what he could and ripped the entirety of Arlathan out of the ground and sealed it away, as a prison and a quarantine measure. Solas might not have known he had cast the Veil over Thedas as a whole and only after sleeping for 2 millenia did he see he made the world near-Tranquil. Or perhaps it required too much strength to contain the Veil to one specific area, so he just cast a wider net, just let it flow everywhere?
And the Forgotten Ones he sealed away could either be the Titans (long forgotten since then) being put into a long slumber, especially if one or more were Tainted.. Or it could refer to the original bodies of the Evanuris they took, in the form of dragons (the Old Gods/Archdemons).
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Long rant end, thanks for reading ;P
Wow, there are many interesting points to think about! Rant more often please hahaha
@@ImpGoose Catching up on some comment responses today! ;P Love to rant, so prepare your eyeballs!
From the fact that he was apparently the leader, along with Mythal, of the Elven "pantheon", there seems to be good potential there for him to be the new 'big bad'. Simple, but "evil looking" (the horns maybe) designs typically are meant for those calling the shots of more unhinged and outrightly monstrous puppets.
Another great video! Thanks for making wait for Veilguard more bearable 🤗 I really like a theory, that Evanurises great war was with titans. Reminds me about Greek and Nordic mythology.
Thank you for your support ✨ There are truly many similarities haha
Slowly becoming my favorite DA Lore videos, again with a great video! Hope there's more coming up until the game launch and after! Also thank you for indirectly promoting fire Res runes for the armors (if theres such a thing ahah) and ice attacks, should be handy! ahah
Aw, thanks 🥰 I hope you won't be disappointed. The next video will be about Andruil!
Many myths from pantheons in our world always describe the sun being "devoured/sundered" as a metaphor for eclipses. Maybe Elgar'nan follows that same pattern and he has the power to use the sun for his magic as well as being able to block its rays.
And i think we saw in one of the trailers a dragon in front of one, we don't know if he himself can transform into a dragon but it may be related to him somehow.
Anyways i love yours and other people's theories! can't wait for this game to come out
Thanks! You're right , the narrative possibilities are endless 👀
It's a BioWare game. Someone will have daddy issues. In Mass Effect, it was Tali and Miranda, so I can see Elgar'nan having them. It fits. This is a good theory.
If it turns out to be true, I reeeealy want to know who his father was
@@ImpGoose Yep.
Let's not forget Alistair having daddy issues too in origins 😂😂. Dorian too in inquisition 😂😂😂😂
While this is rather reductive, most writing can be lazily chalked up as parental issues
Just found your channel and I LOVE your work. Your honesty, research, editing and the way you deliver your narration is great. Looking forward to seeing more ! (Your videos will help fill the void until DAV comes out :') )
Thank you so much ❤️ an welcome to the channel! The next video will be about Andruil
@@ImpGoose Can't wait !
Yet another outstanding video, Lady of Lore!
Thank you kindly!
@@ImpGoose It is all the more impressive considering English is not your first language!
Your compliment is truly flattering. It's been a hard work achieving all those skills that I use now 🥰
@@ImpGoose Foreign languages are a hobby of mine; it is easy to see how hard you have worked on your English and how difficult it is to pull off high quality videos like yours in a foreign language but you do it masterfully!
Love your theories! I'm so curious about where the writers will take all this in Veilguard
You and me both!
I definitely think Elgar'dad can turn into a dragon, and we're gonna see that big gorgeous divine form in Veilguard. I cannot wait.
I think Elgarnan was not only a dictator but an abusive partner to mythal & probably had a prime role in her murder since she was only one holding him back & Flemeth said that Mythal was betrayed as she was betrayed. And morrigan said as Flemeth told her that she bargained and was betrayed by a high lord who killed her old husband and kept her imprisoned. Elgarnon coming from what sounds like an abusive family situation definitely reflects that cycle of abuse motif. But ultimately he is evil & made his choice.
Pure evil indeed. Hopefully he'll be fun to fight hahaha
There is also an interesting reflection to consider. Mythal being betrayed is very similar to Andraste, and Flemeth. Both betrayed by their husbands (I know with Flemeth it was actually a noble man who desired her that killed her husband?) so do you think we could consider Elgar'nan had similar desires to Mythal? I don't think she and Solas were romantic, but perhaps they had that intimate relationship that was common among the Ancient Elves? Andraste was betrayed by her husband... For reasons (I have seen some say they liked the theory that Andraste, and Shartan were lovers) and finally Flemeth, Some theories have said that all these women were Mythal through the ages, let us remember what Flemeth said about "nudging" or "shoving" history, and a nice similarity I have seen pointed out in another Content creators video is a Statue of Maferath in the Kocari wilds that is seen in Origins, It has a similar placement of horns crudely placed on Maferath's back by the Darkspawn, this is very similar to Elgar'nan in the gameplay trailer, I can't think of a connection myself, but it is worth mentioning also.
Sorry... Mega tangent there that is not related to your topic. Excellent video by the way. Please keep it up.
Thanks! 🥰 Yeah, they are truly connected if we look from this perspective. I only wish we had more information about Elgar'nan to prove it. Unfortunately, there are more pages about people around him than about Elgar'nan himself. If you notice, we are trying to explain his character through Mythal again 😭
@ImpGoose there is that, perhaps it's all good and well we know so little about altogether. He is going to be an antagonist, after all, so I think all these lingering questions will be answered to a degree. It's unlikely all will be revealed, though. Solas may tell us much, but what will be accurate? Elgar'nan himself will reveal information, but how much of it will be the result of an arrogant inflated ego? Regardless, I am pleased we will learn more, though... I'm just happy Ghil is also going to be in it. She's beginner my favourite, especially after HoH, but I can't wait to see how big of a p**ck Elgar'nan is.
Now that u mention it, it kinda sounds like zeus, chronos and gaea.
Oh, they definitely got inspiration from Greek mythology
Liked the video. I remember hearing somewhere that Elgar’nan had a ‘kill then all’ attitude if his followers complained to him. I’m not sure which is worse, him or Ghila’nain!
(Looking forward to your Andruil video by the way! 😁)
Thanks. Yeah, he was a bit impatient!
Andruil is cooking 🔥🤣
Wonderful!! Thank you. 😎
Honoured to be your lore guide 🥰
Maybe it's my deep love for Greek mythology, but I see connections with the Zeus/Hera relationship. He was powerful, fickle and abused his power to do whatever he wanted unpunished.
Even though Hera is usually depicted as a petty jealous wife, she was actually the only one with some authority to punish Zeus for his assaults.
Moreover the Gods we're used to did fight the titans and banished them, and those titans were their parents!
I also see Solas as resembling some characteristics of Hecate. A goddess that originated as completely benign, that guided Persephone in her journeys from and to Hades, but that didn't belong to the main pantheon, cause she was a titaness, that helped defeating the other titans. however in time her image got changed, misunderstood and corrupted, and for millennia now she's been considered a mostly negative and dark Goddess. That reminds me of Solas.
Additionally Hecate's statues where placed facing out doors and at the entrance of temples as protection, just like Fen'harel's statues
great vid goose
Honk! 🔥🙌🏼🔥
You forget to mention that we may - or may not - heard his voice in teaser trailer... "peace and prosperity under my reign"... sounds arrogant)
There's been some speculation that Elgar'nan is the god of eclipses - as he has imagery associated with him regarding both the sun and moon (and his story involves literally burying the sun). I don't know what that means in the long run but uh... yeah.
I like theories and appreciate that you shared yours! Hope you're okay with debating. There's a tiny bump in the logic of this theory, and I prefer things to be as connected as possible to either narrative or the world's physics.
The legend of Elgar'nan's creation has Part 2 - Mythal: the Great Protector. It says that on the first night after the sun was released, Mythal created the moon.
"And that night, when the sun had gone to sleep, Mythal gathered the glowing earth around his bed, and formed it into a sphere to be placed in the sky, a pale reflection of the sun's true glory."
Also, we should remember that Thedas has 2 moons, so I can't say that eclipses are Elgar'nan's domain.
I wonder, if anyone knows, where the Blight truly comes from? Was it a) created by Evanuris pre-Veil (and that's another reason why Solas created the Veil), b) an unintended effect of the Veil's creation (a kind of ontological gangrene if you will, cutting off the magical 'life-force' of the World), c) a creation post-Veil by one of the Old Gods/Evanuris to reclaim lost power, or d) an always-existing threat within Thedas pre-Veil? I just want to know people's opinions and theories.
Possibly it's the ultimate blood magic gone right yet oh so wrong.
I think it was a big bad oopsie by the elven gods, when Mythal killed a titan. Maybe Andruil was connected to it somehow too, since she went to the "void" and a "plague at at her lands" until Mythal took the knowledge of how to get there from her. She could have used that knowledge and 'killed' a titan by infecting it with that plague, then it just spiraled out of control and forced Solas to create the veil? Since both Ghilan'nan and Elgar'nan are confirmed to be blighted. Idk!!
It could be an ultimate combo of unfortunate events that the Evanuris took as a bump on the road to whatever they wanted to unleash 👀
Well we know Ghil'anain is the one who created and experimented. There's also a codex on the darkspawn going all the way back to when the elven gods were still walking around. We all also know Ghil'anain was told to get rid of all her creations. What if she banished all the darkspawn into the deep roads starting a war with the titans in turn? We all know Mythal killed a titan, but we don't know what the circumstances were. Could it have been that?
I didn’t realize I knew so little about him.
I also not entirely agree when you said "he has horns on his back". I assume that is just part of his costume... not real mutated limbs or something. But we shall see)
Mythal may have been andraste in another life
Can't wait for you to watch my video about Andraste 😅
Nice video. Although, technically, a Sun is a Star.
Hells, you are right! Though...do you think a titan was his mother AND father at the same time in that case? hahaha
He's a Qunari. Finally the theories about his Qunari connection are confirmed!
I wish we had better pictures with decent lighting. Unfortunately I can't say that it's confirmed yet. The light reflects brightly on his head-horns. The physics of light and textures tell me that they are made of metal. We can see that they are a part of his hat and probably have symbolic or decorative purposes. The horns on his back are a mystery though. Let's hope you are right 👀
Does this spoil Inquisition? Need to know before watching.
Everything regarding Solas's past technically spoils Inquisition. If you know who Solas is, his past, and if you read lore pages from DA Origins and DA2, then the only spoiler for you will be new codex pages from DAI and its DLCs. As it is said in the first 5 seconds of the video. It has huge spoilers. Your choice what to do with it.
@ImpGoose I haven't finished Inquisition and played the dlcs. So i should go and return later. Tnks.
@@marcomongke3116 Have fun! 😉
Who said they were villains?
The article
Elgar'nan to Solar:
It's always been about love and hate, now let me say I'm the biggest hater
I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk, I hate the way that you dress
I hate the way that you sneak diss, if I catch flight, it's gon' be direct
What if solas=the sun or Elgar Nan’s father? Boom 🤯
Big bada boom 👀
i hope this game is good i drought it though *fingers crossed*
Fingers and toes!
i do prefer the theory that the evanuris or at least most of them are elganar and mythal children
it will be more tragic if at first Mythal was in love with him but it turns out he wasnt he only cared about himself and he turned their children against their own mother
imagine how she felt at her last moments laying dying and knowing that her own flesh and blood the babies that she once held in her arms killed her
and also one note ...solas trapped the evanuris, why arent they all together trapped and why elganar is trapped specifically with Ghil i mean wth after he killed his wife he moved on with the younger member of the pantheon that was not his daughters bliah also an insult to mythal
The boss
Elgar's dad threw out all his toys, so he pushed him down the stairs when he wasn't looking. Not much of a final boss if you ask me. And what's with his clothing? What an emo.
I can fix him
Text me if you need a hand haha
First ❤
Yaaay 🥳🎉
sure that even if you make a video about the american elections, it will be listened to...
(a body language analysis of trump for 1,000 subscribers special)
If only I knew something about American politics. Considering that my lore textbook on the subject consists of memes and shorts, I'm a poor speaker 🤣 But hey, I definitely should think of ways to celebrate 1k when it happens. Thanks for an amazing idea!
He just wants to bring me comfort from his reign