Ford Transit Connect 2 Years Persistent DPF Fault Even After New One
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2024
- P2002 DPF efficiency below threshold fault on for transit connect 1.5 after new diesel particulate filter was fitted and new sensors etc
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That’s what I respect most about you. Honest and you give the customer honest options 👍🏻 top man keep up the good work
Jimmy I agree with you 100 % …when I hear the words delete DPFs and remove them I just cringe ….a blocked Dpf is usually a symptom of another problem unless you have a extremely high mileage engine and the poor thing is bunged up with ash….a simpler solution to most of these issues is to make the Dpf filter itself ie the inner ceramic honeycomb filter easy to replace ie a decent stainless steel hinged end clamp on the metal Dpf casing open it up remove the old ceramic insert and just slide a new one in
Makes me happy my old 08 Fabia is fitted with a 1.9 and no dpf.😊
Yep 1.9tdi mk5 golf here 2008 no dpf
Makes me glad ive got the older euro 5 2015 1.6 connect now after watching this .
Great work jimmy, you cant win them all, but thanks for your explanation. I think the customer should send your video to Ford UK chief executive explaining what has been done and ask them to replace the van - 56k is nothing..How they react to their customer will insightful.. its their reputation on the block here & it would make a very interestibg video.. i for one will not be buying a ford Or Euro6 van after seeing this.. Ford by not acting, is damaging its reputation and should stand by their customer here…
I'm guessing the new dpf was fitted with a split boost pipe and the engine has been doing shed loads of regens and the substrate has just cracked through excessive heat cycles😢
After seeing so much of your video, we can conclude: a DPF is more like a sensor itself, if it generates (senses) a fault, there is something ELSE wrong in the car. Good diagnostics required! Great job and explanation Jimmy.
Never knew about dpf untill my van start doing the same,
Ford should cover this, wareanty or no warranty,
This does smack of a technology reaching it's limit
I have a mitsubishi outlander on a 65 plate never got my dpf issue sorted so I had the dpf removed the egr blinked and a small map to map it all out to stop the car regeneration as I couldn't afford to keep paying left and centre to try and fix an issue that the garages couldn't fix since it's all been gone I've had no issues happy days just thought I'd mention this that's all it I could go petrol I would
I suppose if you were to disconnect the exhaust from the DPF and check if there is a soot build up there.
The tailpipe is covered in soot but by disconnecting the DPF might help you.
My 69 plate Transit Courier is a class action waiting to happen.
Not fit for purpose and negligent Dealership.
Get this, on mine, the oil level had risen so high it got into the air intake via the sump gases pipe. The Head mechanic drained off the extra oil mixture (which was predominantly diesel) and gave me back the keys, charging me for a new air filter. When I stated the oil viscosity would now be incorrect, they said it wouldn't be a problem. I argued the case and spoke with Lawyers, they soon chamnged their tune. Have since suffered engine failure due to oil contamination.
Had numerous arguments with them and they have since (under goodwill) replaced 3x set of injectors, the dpf and now the entire engine block.
What a shambles!
My biggest concern now is that the fault is a fundamental design flaw in the vehicle and that the new engine will still suffer the same problem. Plus the turbo is oiled from the same supply, so presumably that will fail much sooner than it should.
I had an E220 MB with the first AdBlue system in 2015 ~ forever needed NOX sensors; 1 or 2 every year. MB must have recognised the issue as they replaced free for 6 years!!
Based on your comments (and others), I wouldn't touch a Ford with a barge-pole!
Makes me wonder if the replacement dpf was faulty when fitted. Perhaps the manufactur and quality control of these dpfs should be looked at.
cracked dpf, very common on the 1.5, what about putting a metal band strap around the DPF outer casing to stop the outer case from expanding ?
Dpf delete is the way forward for him, With diesel treatment before his mot for emissions
Just seen some positive comments on sensor extenders which would keep the sensor further away from the soot concentration, could be worth a try.
Yeah but surely then your just making it worse if it already got alot of soot in there surely ud want to clean it. Not waiting until there's a mountain of it?
surely if its been back for warranty work, and they havnt fixed the issue it should still be covered until it is properly fixed
I know you said the VW sometimes have in depth problems like, not straight forward, but you have a Crafter, they seem we'll rated. I can't seem to settle on the balance of year/2.2 engine... I know they all will rust, I have done enough welding on them...
Would you say yourself the Crafter is a sound vehicle... I want to use one as a camper.
That's a bit worrying Jimmy I've just bought a euro 6 diesel motor & now hearing the DPF's aren't fit for purpose on these is something I wasn't expecting to hear. I nearly bought the petrol version if it wasn't for the fact that it had a wet cambelt I probably should have done.
There certainly seems to be an issue with certain E6 DPFs either that or the sensitivity of the particle sensor downstream is way way too high, maybe a better solution would be to shield the sensor from the exhaust flow , depends entirely what its looking for and how you could mimic a good signal ,
If it was my van, I would have started a war with the dealer. You pay increasingly more and get worse manufacturing quality and worse service from the dealers.
Recent cars, particularly the diesel versions, are getting more and more disposable - what's not under warranty becomes a money pit.
I have same van same year even same colour!! Engine light on for same reason, been back to ford and it's apparently to do with driving, I do eighty mile a day, but light goes out for a couple of weeks every three months 😂
Yes, Ford dealerships blame the customer's driving style. Been there, had the arguments. Threatened them with legal action and they soon changed their tune. They've just replaced my entire engine after not being able to solve the constant over fueling (oil level rising due with diesel). But, as far as I can tell, the issue will return in time.
Hi Jimmy, any idea regen starts even if the engine is cold. Transit custom 2.2 euro 5. Just had new dof as the old one melted. All sensors and diff pressures looks ok. All values rested and still issues. Cleaned vaporizator like in your videos. I'm totally stuck. Thanks
Can u just strap the particulate matter sensor to the outside of the exhaust and place in a sealed bag? If you’re not one for mapping stuff out. Thus it won’t detect the soot leaking past the failed DPF and therefore fixing the van. Bit like you saying on a Euro 5 van without these sensors it would happily carry on as long as the DPF pressure stays within tolerances
I wonder what will happen if you put a spacer on the sensor as ther do for lambda sensors for lpg cars?
Not a DPF fault but i had a crappy Scenic that kept throwing up SRS faults even after changing every sensor. I bought a scan tool and just kept deleting for over a year until the MOT. Cleared the code for the MOT and it passed....deleted the code a few days later when it came on...and still after 2 years no reoccurance. The scanner works and was 1/3rd of the price of constant airbag sensors and replacements.
I have the exact same problem with a 2020 connect. Originally ford said it wasn't covered under warranty so brought it to a "dpf guy" for a clean turns out he just tried to remap it out which worked for about 3 days. A few weeks later had a separate issue and was forced to send it back to ford when then I was told the dpf would of been covered under warranty but due to someone trying to remap it they woudlnt touch it, quoted 1200 pound for a new dpf with no guarantee it would fix it. Been going on for around 2 years now and the van is getting undriveable and keeps cutting out under any hard Acceleration. All caused initally by the split boost pipe. Really don't know what to do now as the guy who Originally tried to remap it said there's nothing more he can do. Just turning into a money pit
I wonder if anyone has considered that there may be a problem with the engine? For example a CCV problem. There is a lot of soot/ash in the exhaust pipe, which suggests the DPF can’t cope with the level of particulates the engine is generating. This probably means the post DPF particulate monitor is detecting a problem. The key DPF parameters suggest that the DPF itself is okay.
Maybe a clamp or something around the dpf so it squeezes the gap shut between the ceramic and the steel inside
is there any way of blocking off the matter sensor, so it cant read the soot passing.
what is any one supposed to do we are being sold this junk and its as you say not fit for purpose ! is this time to start a campaign , for owners who have this and then as Groupe take civil action against each manufacture cause it sure feels the only way your ever likely to get this situation changed , it would be interesting to see how many are faulty and collect the data
my 2015 1.6 connect has a fault goes in to limp mode but leaves no fault code. comes up on dash service now. any ideas if your in lancs you could connect your tablet and have a look and advise.
I'm guessing the Ford techies replaced the DPF without fixing the issue that was causing the DPF to fail. If the customer went through the 'fix list' (date order), he might fathom out what went wrong and when.
Very hard to prove now as the cause of DPF failure has since been fixed but would certainly look suspect if the van went in a few weeks after the new DPF was fitted for a repair that might potentially have damaged the new DPF.
Also note, the customer may have driven the vehicle excessively with a warning light on causing DPF failure, hence Ford told him it was his driving style. IMO, if such damage can be done, the car shouldn't be able to be driven.
Can't he get the DPF Repared, also are you able to provide an update on the van
Is there no way to fool that rear sensor that's sensing the soot getting by the dpf , could you take it out and maybe attach it to something.
Hi. Ok so the ford dpf's on these are rubbish. What about aftermarket..? Are they made differently in a way that might last a lot longer..?
Funny enough I’ve been looking at one of these today 2020 soot showing 200% all live data looks good and no soot at the pipe but my snap on will not rest the DPF it just says i need a WiFi connection to a secure network ie possibly needs to go on IDS have you come across this yet
Ive got this exact same problem on my 2019 connect, same p2002 code, drives absolutely fine and you can just keep clearing the code. Ive put around 10k miles on it with the issue and it seems that it is enough to block the dpf up again. Ive had a garage look at it and they think its the adblue injector being blocked up, so gonna put some miles on it and see if the light returns. Has anyone gone down the dpf delete route with these vans?
Jimmy. Replacing the DPF or the DPF itself might not be the problem… i suggest you should have just cleaned in the hope that extra soot/dirt/blockage in the pipes will clean and resolve.. afterall, they said it was a new DPF (and as you said, readings were good!!!!) and i think it was worth a try to resolve..
The van will Regen itself if all is working properly
The soot that goes by the dpf ends up in the low pressure egr and blocks it also or a at least the mesh filter before it. Than you get another code for not enough flow in the egr. Euro6 is messy and complicated. What would it be with euro7?!
Hi Jimmy, any chance you could throw in some diag using the otofix scanner you have..cheers fella ian
Second that
Third that 👍
I have a 2020 plate connect 27000 mile on it I’ve had dpf issues with it. Spent money on it same problem. I’ve just traded it in for a Peugeot partner van. I’ve had enough the connect dpf system ain’t fit for purpose hope I’ve done the right thing.
Same engine ?
@@bongopongo6206 different dps And no where near the amount of partners go wrong as transit connects
What about VW euro 6 e,g passat?
That’s why euro car parts run the petrol ones stop start all day doing multi drop
I may be cynical, but I wonder whether if they have a suspect unit in the workshop they might feel it for a warranty like this, and fit it knowing the customer will be back but then blame him....?
"It was working when it left here"
(Should definitely have been onto Ford HQ for the lemon law)
There is another possibility ...... it's not something stupid like the sensor is seeing dust rust flaking or ash coming from the DPF as soot ? As if it is there will be a legal redress as isn't it soot that's the problem not rust flakes or ash , an electrostatic precipitator would deal with them
I think this is called a lemon 🍋 in the trade 😮
Repost?
Jimmy what small van would u recommend ? Im so confused about buying a new one, with all these issues with Euro 6
Peugeot
@@Ben-in6qhdpf on Peugeots often have a 125K lifespan programmed in.
I have a 2020 connect 27000 mile and all these dpf issues. I’ve just brought a new Peugeot partner van. I hope I’ve done the right thing. Never buying Ford again it’s only 3 years old.
@@felixalbioncan soon be reset as per Jimmy’s videos
@@felixalbion imagine if anything Ford even made it to that mileage.
I have a 2018 connect with exactly the same problem, had dof taken off and ‘professionally’. cleaned, lasted less than a week. Had new back box fitted, lasted less than a week, had endless regens all only last a day or two. Van milage is 59000 with a good mixture of motorway and town milage. The dpf light is again on but i have just about given up taking it back to the garage as the guy is getting pissed off with me… as if its my fault🤷♂️. I don’t know which way to turn, if i get it deleted then its hard to sell but can’t sell it as it is. Any suggestions
Option 1: replace the DPF but they can fail again within a year.
Option 2: delete the DPF
Option 3: sell the vehicle with the faults
@@ORileysAutos what sort of figure to delete it
Tell the owner to get a cheap diagnostic tool so he can just reset it every week, job done.
not a bad option .especially for mot.what is the cheapest tool that would do this?
Hi Jimmy, have you had to deal with any VW 2.0tdi euro 6 dpf's?
Whats up with it? I can say from fixing loads of these that its likely to be a blocked egr cooler
@@danlovelock778 thanks for the reply Dan but at the moment it's one year old and low mileage. I'm looking after it with 6,000 mile oil changes and sensible driving but just trying to get as much info as possible.
@glennryan4889 regular oil changes is one of the best things you can do. Id just drive it and enjoy it, if it has an issue then will probably be egr cooler getting blockrd. Id personally just replace the cooler at 100k ish. Other than belts and pump they'll do big miles trouble free.
@@danlovelock778 Cheers Dan, that's a great reply and a lot of help.
I can only assume that from the manufacturers these DPF’s are made cheaply in say China and shipped here.for use throughout the uk by the Dealers. It seems to me it’s a classic case of a known problem but we aren’t going to lose money so the customers take the hit. I would think by now with all the publicity around this issue the guy with the van would stand a good chance of getting trading standards involved and let them deal with it, it just seems that in the final analysis the van isn’t fit for purpose whilst breaking emissions laws as well, the customers done his bit and more so the manufacturers and the dealers need to take responsibility.
Why is a static DPF regen bad, overheating of DPF?
Lack of airflow wicking away some of the heat possibly. 50+mph wind will take away a lot of heat but the heat will still be retained in the DPF core
@phantom-mk4kp I'm guessing you mean a force regen? Well, the reason is simple: the "forced" part is not good for your DPF. The ECU will try to "force" the DPF to get to 350 to 450 Degress in a very quick fashion to get all the soot out of your DPF which is too much for the DPF, especially if it is a old car, but even for new cars. The best type of regen is letting the car do its thing for what it is designed for and not worry much. The ECU keeps calculating how much soot is in the DPF, how long you are driving, temps, etc. So leave it as is. If it requires a clean, clean it, tell it it has a new DPF and let the car do it's thing.
600 °c plus then add a dpf that's over full of soot basically hard fuel that pretty sharpish will exceed the safe dpf Temps game over don't ask me how I know 🤦 force regen a doblo once after reseting everything with scan tool as wouldn't regen else the end result temps showed in the 700 degrees sparks flying out tailpipe dpf was smoked and iv started researching why my dpf was constantly regenerating after which is how i came across o'rileys. I know understand my mistake 🤦. Made an eventful sight tho 😂
Got check injection system tonight check anti pollution system any suggestions reanult traffic 16 plate
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Probably a blocked adblue injector
@@ClassicTrialsChannel no ad blue
@@user-eg1lz9nf7bEGR or DPF?
could be anything: check injection system just means there is a fault in the engine control unit and check anti pollutions means there is a problem in the adblue unit
(In most cases)
Surely a dpf delete is not going to pass a mot if tested correctly?
It will 😂 but it has to be done correctly you can also delete remap out the egr another useless article of equipment
I don't think current MOT equipment can accurately measure Particulate emissions. They are are looking into testing newer equipment for the test
@@Phantom-mk4kpit most certainly can!
@@SabretoothBarnacle Why are they trialing updated equipment then, as used in some European countries
@@Phantom-mk4kp No idea. MOT testing regs changed in the UK back in 2018 with regard to smoke testing and the need to verify each vehicle is under the manufactures declared limits as stamped on the vehicle plate. Of course plates can accidentally blow away in the wind if you're not careful which means the MOT tester can use a higher default value for some older vehicles.
Sounds like an injection fault maybe that was the problem on mine
That wouldn't mean black soot in the exhaust.
if a dpf is fitted, it captures all soot, not just some of it. .
Stuff is now built to fail and be replaced not repaired.
Looking at it as an engineer , wouldn't it be possible to use the equivalent of a wheel pipe cutter to crimp the casing in around the matrix to hold it back together , either that or run liquid cement into the DPF to seal it , would need to prove it was leaking past the DPF casing
How do they know this mans style of driving? and whats makes them experts on driving? They cant fix it nevermind judge peples driving.
😂🤭😮😮 jimmy literally used the word most reliable and Land Rover in the same sentence I have literally never ever heard a mechanic ever say that.
On a serious note if a vehicle fitted with a DPF has a fault that can’t be fixed causing the DPF to keep failing the only option is to get rid of the vehicle DPF deletes often cause further issues no only with passing the mot but also potentially with the running of the vehicle seen it many times generic remaps causing multiple random faults and issues.
Thanks EUSSR :-(
Sell it to Pakistan!
this is what happens when you by into the belief of " i need to upgrade" all the time. for me all my stuff is old. its easier to work on and no computers / emissions. k.i.s.s = keep it simple stupid. this is just me and how life works for me. do as you wish!
That's pretty poor from Ford. Not a good look.
Seems the only way around Euro6 if you want a new van is..... Buy an EV 😉
Or petrol 😢
And pay a few £1000 extra for the van. Cheaper to keep replacing the dpf 😂