e108: Tamiya Super Hornet - The Buyers Guide Series
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I need one of these, ever since I first discovered your channel and watched this video awhile back, I've just had to have one, not because of nostalgia as I wasn't around when this car was in production, not because it's super iconic in RC history or anything, just because I look at this car and think "wow" every time I see it. I really think I need to get the whole grasshopper/hornet family, because They feel very happy and playful to drive, and they just have this charm to them, I think the Grasshopper, Hornet, Grasshopper II, Super Hornet, and Rising Fighter lineup is are still some of the best RC cars to this day, because in my opinion the whole point of an rc car is fun, and these cars are the best when it comes to putting smiles on faces, and that'll always be the most important thing about an RC car in my book, regardless of laptimes. But speaking of laptimes I know it's old and slow in stock form but with some mods do you think I could race a super hornet?
I totally agree with you. They are awesome. No way you can race one of these against a modern cars. Plus, the chassis is painfully weak at the front towers.
Also cheap, every car hitting a higher price bracket ends up being a shelf baby becuase you never want to misshandle them.
Been watching your videos for some time now and finally subbed. Everytime I watch a video you make me want to buy that car lol. Love what you do with all the Tamiya Vintage 2wd classics ;-)
Thanks Gary, that is very kind of you to say.
Nice to see (what appears to be) a Black Motor Endurance (blue endbell), I had one of those. These motors were, together with the Black Motor Sprint (red endbell), among the first Tamiya motors with more performance than the standard "Silvercan". Regarding tires for the Hornet family cars, my impression was, as far as I remember, that the rather soft rear tires which were supplied stock with the Hornet, could to some degree compensate for the under-performance by the rigid rear axle.
Yes those motors are great. I have a few of each of them. I really like vintage Tamiya motors. Those rear tires are rather soft but the fact that they are low profile to not help the suspension much. Well, that and I but way to viscus of a shock oil in those rears.
Sentiment is a helluva price point. I have a $3 , dog chewed , stained , faded teddy bear in my closet that $10k wouldn't buy.
The Super Hornet has a cool look even after many years, and having one as a first RC, with all its attached fun memories, could make it priceless to the right individual👌. Great fun video !
Exactly my thoughts!
I really love the original grasshopper body. I know it’s not a good performing car but it looks great with a grass green paint scheme and 540 Motor instead of the 380 and it will be fun and good looking in my opinion. RC10 is my second favorite who’s with me???
Thanks 👍
the vent on the front that you added actually is prob very effective at getting cool air in and over the hot electronics. pretty good move.
That is true. I just wanted to mimic the prototype Super Hornet on the Tamiya site.
Fantastic stuff!! Bring on the rising fighter!💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Will do! That one is a really good video of a car that is largely ignored.
AMPRO Engineering great looking forward to it!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
You are right, those tires' (few knobs) here.. wear quite quickly (on any asphalt).
I had the exact same ones on my almighty/great Tamiya Bear Hawk in the 90s. I used to slide around (/ do U- turns, understeering=scraping the fronts, ...) for fun, and so the tires' knobs went down -> they were 100% very very thin slicks at a time very soon. :) But still it was fun driving even with those slicks (spinning the wheels on power and such), at least.
I almost guess the rubber was designed like this, so you "have" to buy new replacement rubber every now and then (and I did..) :).
Oh yeah, they wear so fast!
Nice makes me miss mine! I would try 15wt oil in the shocks I think on mine and my super grasshopper I used to use 10 to 20wt oil for them.
Yeah 15 is probably perfect. I just screwed that up when I was filling them.
I like the gto decals on the blue one
LOL so does my buddy.
Love this series. It's such a beautiful job you've done with this body. Got mine second hand with the decals applied to the black plastic. Good comparison in the run video. By the way, what will you do when your neighbour fixes that side walk? :-) Looking forward to the Rising Fighter video.
Thank you very much! My sister has her Super Hornet in box art too. It is actually a perfect example that we did around 20 years ago with a black painted shell, decals and clear coat right over them. Really nice! I wanted to go way different on mine and did not want it black. As for the side walk....i do not know....I have been planning on building little ramps that I can use. I think they will be much nicer! We shall see!
AMPRO Engineering Your take on the Super Hornet is beautiful!
definitely nice seeing video comparison of shocks vs stock springers, the games we played with those.... pen springs tiny washers and o-rings (inside shock body) for friction that'd wear out. same for hornet front using on road front springs over the tops, lowering the FE about 1/4 - 5/16 giving some (very little) negative travel and less bump steer. hornet racing early-mid 80's was always a LOT of fun! those early hornet skinny rear spring NOT SHOCKS, it was a trick to keep them from bouncing around. stretching a balloon over the MSC to keep dirt out of the switch grease etc.
Yeah, we used to try all kinds of things! What do you mean the early hornet rear springs not being shocks? Oh and please don't remind me about the MSC balloon....
Hey man I like that louver you made. How did you manage to cad the correct curves so that they fit into the window?
I measures them carefully. I think I may have had a test print or 2? I use a spline so they are easy to adjust.
Nice front suspension!!
thank you! It made the car so much better.
TBH I think the single wishbone suspension is fine at least on my Grasshopper, maybe that's because I prefer to drive forwards over backwards.
Oh totally. The car is very happy with the swing arms. I just race mine against modern buggies at the track so it needs all the help it can get.
"not a follower of the Fox" oh lol, really! the Fox's roly+floppy suspension (single shock front suspension rear IRS) is what made it so cool. great traction cornering in the dirt.
yes those pin spikes are bad news on pavement, but so nice on a groomed and dampened dirt track like they were made for running on, I know you know that! not hard packed dirt/clay, real groomed inch deep dampened fluff we seldom see anywhere anymore, was great racing stuff.
I know, I miss proper offroad tracks that actually use DIRT and not that bloody clay that make you use slicks. I want to see the car sliding through turns with a rooter tail behind it...ah the good ole' days...
yup, there's nothing like a real deal well groomed dirt track! the major downside of the Fox, to get at anything you have to take the top/cover off the chassis (integrated monocoque) and the car is in two pieces. good for keeping crud out of the tub and MSC, but a bit of a pain. nice was they made a way to use a few different sized pinion gears for motors and tracks.
What size are the wheels can they mount a modern standard buggy tire on them? If not what about the rising fighter wheels and will they fit?
They are 2" and sadly you cant. The RF wheels will not fit the rear.
Do any re released cars use the same front tires (not wheels) as the super hornet?
I think the Wild one? Don';t quote me
Nice. Re-watching. Are those stickers available anywhere?
Well thank you! All the stripe decals are off some other tamiya. I want to say the Super Champ? I have the unused parts in my sticker book. As for the "5" and "Super Hornet", I will ask MCI who made them. Even the other decal sheets are from them. Shoot me an email and I will get you the info. amproengineering@gmail.com
Before I asked if GH2 wheels and tires would fit my first gen Grasshopper, and I was told they use a different hub, so the next question is obvious, will GH2 hubs fit my Grasshopper?
Yes, you can change the hub and they will bolt on.
Why do you have a second one with friction shocks if it comes stock with oil ones?
I remember doing this but I forgot the context. That car has the RF's shocks on it.
Hello Ampro! I am a big fan of your videos, especially the tamiya ones. But I have a question/suggestion, have you ever heard of the Q-steer Tamiya micro buggies before? If so I thought I would be a great toy to bring up. Thanks for reading this!
Oh yeah. They are very nice! I have a friend that has the whole set!
I was able to locate super hornet alloy wheels for mine
Oh cool. I bought a set of those years ago. They are really nice.
Does anybody know what rear tyres this can take? Im sick of the stock tyres wearing out all the time.
Pretty sure they are a generic size. The Grasshopper 2 had unique ones.
With friction shocks, no oil mistakes 😇
LOL! Still not worth it, lol!
Can I race this in an intermediate class what upgrades would I need?
Nope, it is bad.
I LOVE that one! I liked the idea of the Super Hornet/Hopper II. Never owned either, but that's something else that Carmine and I want to change....
YES!! That hard squat/camber/toe mad shift in reverse!! 👎👎😬 Couldn't stand that on our Hoppers and OG Hornets. That IRS you designed for these is a Godsend. Worked miracles on Carm's Lunchbox (STILL without body 😖).
That brings up a question.... Any plans for the Superfly rear suspension to fit THESE? That would be awesome!
Murph
BTW, thanks to some very good luck, I won a pair of Beats Headphones!! Because of that, I got to listen to "Blue Pinto" music in full Fidelity, Max bass sound! They sounded GREAT!!!
Na, no plans for these cars. SuperFly 3 was a stunt. Just to show what 3D printing could do. It is expensive and hard to install and at the end of the day, a DT-03 is a better car still. It was just a fun thing to try!
Oh that's great!
Hey Alberto, I'm looking very forward to getting the pieces together to build my own Superfly III....
Sure, it will never be competitive, but that's not the point, is it? As for difficult, that's relative. For some, maybe... For Murph and I, not hardly!! 😎👍👍
WE just finished cobbling together a pair of HG P402s, that can easily crawl with SCX10s, Deadbolts, and several others!! 👏😎 We replaced ALL of the suspension links, which are slightly stiffer than BUTTER, with 8-32 threaded rod, and Traxxas ball ends, that we've had laying around for years. Huge difference!
Thank God, Murph got them, before my world collapsed. STILL in deep doo-doo, but hopefully next year looks a little better.
The only thing those Rigs NEED, is a 3D printed, Axle-mounted steering servo bracket.... Do you KNOW anyone????? 😊😎
The way those chassis's are designed, chassis mounted servos have HORRIBLE torque steer, and even worse bump steer! An axle mount, like the SCX10, would be ideal.... Even if NOT realistic. We've always been Performance over aesthetics!
Carmine 🚂
We ended up finding the P402 Servo Axle Mount on Thingiverse......
What’s the speed difference between a stock motor and the blue end bell motor
Hmmm....great question. I say about 20% more? I didnt test that but it feels faster
My first tamiya was the super champ then i got the fox after destroying the front of the super champ my brothers little son sat on the fox and crushed the back end of the fox so i scratch built a combo from the good parts from both with a techna gold motor it used to fly then i got an original super hornet but it wasn't as good as the super champ or the fox fast forward and i picked up a re release of the hornet and a wild Willy 2
Oh man, I have seen scratch built cars like that before. I always think its awesome!
Front wheels are virtually nonexistent in Germany, the Grasshopper 2 ones just don't look as cool.
Are you perhaps going to modify your rollcage design for the Super Hornet?
That is a good question. So the Super Hornet does not actually need the cage since it is a hard body and it acts as the chassis structure. The Hornet is lexan and does nothing to stiffen the chassis. My next cage will be on the Falcon/Stadium blitzer. That is an awful chassis.
I do want a Super Hornet, but because I had one that my Grandfather gave me, and unfortunately have lost over time. My Grandfather isn't alive any more, and fond memories about him giving me the Super Hornet make me want another.
Well they are great cars and right now not that expensive.
I'm pretty sure that the "Anytime Baby!" slogan on the original Hornet came from an F-14 squadron, so to see "jet fighter" styling on the Super Hornet is only fitting.
That is quite likely and something I ever thought of. Given a Hornet was also a plane (and air craft carrier....and car(s)), it makes a lot of sense.
I certainly hope they do re-release them. I'm hanging out for rear wheels and tyres that don't cost the earth. Great car.
Oh that is the truth. Those rims cost a mint and they are super weak. Tires at least can be acquired in that size easily and the wild one does have tires that at least fit. Does no other Tamiya use the SH tires?
I'm not sure as to other Tamiya's with SH tyres. My expertise doesn't go much past the Hornet "family" of cars. I'm sure someone from the brains trust could fill us in...
Yeah, same here. I know the Super G GH2 had those front tires but not the rears.
yup, those are Fox type wheels and the offset way to the outside, they covered some of the upper/lower rear suspension so there's not room for ribbing reinforcement inside. little bit of a cone shape to the inside is all. 4 "lug" vs old hornet 5+wide wheel hub/adapters, a few differences.
Can you pls do a running vid of the Watanabe Hornet?
Yeah I can do that but its going to be a slow one, haha! Actually I cant believe I left that one out of that series!
@@AMPROEngineering keeping it slow is understandable.
I've recently came to the realization that Tamiya will most likely not be rereleasing the Super Hornet (unfortunately for me) because they likely modified the mold to create the Rising Fighter
I think you are right, unless there was more than one.
any thoughts on the Tamiya Boomerang
Sadly I have never even seen one in person. I did just buy the Hotshot thanks to the MIP ball diff pre-sales campaign going on right now. Ill do a review of that car soon!
what happened tot the sidewalk?
Well that is my neighbors house who used to have two huge trees. They ruined (or made it better to RC guys) the sidewalk and sadly they have fixed it now.
very, very nice Super Hornet !!!! I really like it !!! congratulate !!!! would you sell them? or can you make me a body? in this style? would need the rims too?? 😉😊
Thank you very much. Sadly, I do not have the time to do that body again. I cam ask MCI racing to make the rear decal available but all the rest I hand cut. As for the rims, they are very hard to find. I would recommend locating a nice complete car on eBay. Best of luck!
Dude are these still available?? I can't find one anywhere that I don't have to remortgage my house for 😂
Sadly no, the super hornet has not been re-released. The Grasshopper 2 has though and I make the rear shock mounts that differentiate the two. Used Super Hornet bodies arent too much so you can piece one together.
Is that the stock motor ?
No this car came with a silver can. All of these low range cars did. The motor in this is a vintage upgrade.
I thought so. I just got done fixing one up for a friend and it was a lot slower lol
Yeah this blue endbell stocker is a good motor.
You wouldnt by chance know a part number to those front tires, woupd you? I cannot for the life of me find front tires with the spikes all around
I can only find one with the spikes on one side of the tire.
Edit: little more digging and i found it. Theyre just sold out everywhere!
I could not find the part number either. I thought they were the same as the wild one but I was wrong. Yeah, not surprised they are gone.
When I was a kid no lie we used to paint them on the outside. No time to care that much about the body. Laugh all you want. You’re all grown ass men. I was a kid.
Na man we still do that. Painted lexan shells on the outside is a great way to create different surface finishes. You were ahead of your time!
Sponsored? you just opened a door and i want to hear and see more :)
Wait what? Haha! Sorry I recorded this last week. Im in Korea right now.
im sure you have some rc's from back when you raced?
OH! Yes, haha! I do have my cars from when I raced. It was my RC10 (briefly, it was already ancient in 1998) and my RC10B2. Both cars are still used and I think you can see them in my 50th video as well as the montage at the end of my 100th at the race track. I will need to cover those cars one day too!
early '87 swapped my RC10 to Andy's everything, chassis, front/rear arms and hangers etc. made a big difference cornering, Associated was quick to make the wider front arms for newer and as upgrade.
11:30 cringe.
I thought 11:40 was worse. Haha! The front end can totally take that.