4IR 005 - Finding Meaning and Purpose in Work Navigating the Paradox of Choice in an AI-Driven World
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- NOTE: We had some latency on the stream while recording, which is why we sometimes talk over each other. It was purely a technical glitch. Sorry about that as it is sometimes all of us talking at once!
Summary
In this conversation, the participants discuss the intersection of AI, lifestyle, and personal well-being. They explore how AI is already changing their lives and how they can adapt to the future changes. They also discuss the importance of finding meaning and purpose in work, the role of constraints in creativity, and the impact of choice on happiness. The conversation highlights the need for balance between choice and constraints, and the importance of aligning work with personal values and goals. The conversation explores the concept of choice and the potential impact of AI on the number of options available to individuals. It delves into the idea of constraints and the need for self-monitoring to maintain a healthy balance in a world of increasing abundance. The importance of designing one's environment to support desired behaviors is emphasized, rather than relying solely on willpower. The conversation also touches on the privilege required to make certain choices and the potential for exploitation in a world driven by profit. The conversation explored the importance of societal influence in driving change, the potential dangers of AI and social media, the benefits of living in a more connected and present way, and the need for choice and purpose in our lives.
Takeaways
- AI is already changing lives and will continue to do so in the future
- Finding meaning and purpose in work is important for personal well-being
- Constraints can enhance creativity and engagement
- Balancing choice and constraints is key to a fulfilling life
- Aligning work with personal values and goals leads to greater satisfaction - The number of choices available to individuals may increase with advancements in AI, but it is important to consider the impact of these choices on overall well-being.
- Designing one's environment to support desired behaviors can be more effective than relying solely on willpower.
- Privilege plays a role in the ability to make certain choices, and there is a need to address systemic issues to ensure equitable access to opportunities.
- The potential for exploitation exists in a world driven by profit, and there is a need for responsible governance and corporate responsibility to mitigate this risk. Change often comes from societal pressure and movements, rather than companies or institutions acting on their own.
- The use of AI and social media can lead to a loss of critical thinking and a lack of presence in our lives.
- Living in a more connected and present way, such as through co-living or co-housing communities, can provide grounding and a sense of agency.
- Choice and purpose are essential for a fulfilling life, and it is important to design our lives in a way that aligns with our values and goals.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:19 AI's Impact on Lifestyle and Well-being
19:25 Balancing Choice and Constraints
26:50 Aligning Work with Personal Values and Goals
27:25 The Problem of Choice and AI
28:23 The Impact of AI on Job Options
29:12 The Increasing Abundance of Choice
30:45 The Splintering of Society and Media Consumption
32:13 Balancing Choice and Constraints
34:11 The Importance of Self-Monitoring and Design
36:03 The Biological Programming and Limitations
37:46 The Need for Conscious Application of Limitations
39:04 The Role of Willpower and Design in Decision-Making
43:09 The Potential for Exploitation in a Profit-Driven Society
49:25 The Power of Societal Influence
50:40 The Dangers of AI and Social Media
52:23 Living in the Present: Co-living and Co-housing
54:11 The Importance of Choice and Purpose - Věda a technologie
Those that really need a sense of meaning and purpose will volunteer to settle Mars.
I'm more of home on Earth, vacation home on Mars kind of guy, the ATV jumps gotta be insane at that point. I could be wrong, but because of the gravity on Mars, you might be able to jump of a 20 story cliff, and survive with a tick and roll😅
I don't understand why people would fear not having to go to work. As far as I am concerned work has always been an open prison, you are free to request a transfer to another prison or be given better duties but unless you happen to be independently wealthy then you remain a prisoner.
Once free of work then you are free to do whatever you want to do without having to apply to be allowed to do it...
I can personally attest to this. Back in 2010, while I was on welfare, I discovered my love for 3D animation and filmmaking through CZcams. At the time, animators couldn't even earn money from their videos, but I worked hard anyway because it was my passion. I was so into it that I’d often spend over 12 hours or more a day working on my animations, it was *that fulfilling* to me.
My point is that there are undoubtedly countless people out there like that, but they find themselves juggling two jobs and other responsibilities, which leaves them with hardly any time to pursue their passion.
It's funny how those, who worry the most about loss of meaning, don't even have a job. If you love what you are doing, nobody will force you to stop. You may not make money on it anymore, but that won't matter.
I personally doing my dream job, developing computer games, and it pays very well too, but it's still a job. I can't decide what project I'm working on, how much I work and when, and I can't do anything about the management's stupid decisions.
Because they don't think they'll be able to cover shelter / food / medical care / etc without money. But prices of all essential services can and should drop to zero, with help from automation and AI.
Some people are highly conscientious (orderly and industrious) by temperament. It's baked into their being, and not having something productive to do makes them wither and die. Some people are the opposite, and work is torture. We need a society where people have the choice whether, and how, to work.
I think it's because David Shapiro's vision of the future is extremely optimistic. If AGI replaced 80% of jobs today, jobs would likely collapse into 5 or 6 categories. Owner of AI/Algorithms/ Factories/ Robots, government regulating that AI, military/ security protecting aforementioned people, servants tending to aforementioned people (cooks, masseuse, valets, media producers, prostitutes, etc.), scientists and researchers and possibly the people working jobs AI has not yet replaced, but might eventually. The rest would likely be provided with enough to not starve most of the time and produce enough children to keep the job market competitive.
Maybe I'm just an old cynic, but I don't see people who claw their way up to a position of power being as charitable as the average person, if the CEO/President/Chairman/Owner was that kind, egalitarian and benevolent they would not be in the position they are in.
i dont think i agree that most people are over the peak where comfort begins to harm them. I also don’t think its right to restrict people from having the choice. sure it will take some getting used to, and not everyone will break the loop of overcomfort. but, just like how it would be silly to say we should go back to starving so that chocolate would be healthy again, we shouldnt strive to live in a world where the option of comfort is purposefully limited. whats better is letting people have the choice to use moderation.
also one extra point: i think if abundance and comfort were really the cause of things like obesity and diabetes, we wouldnt be seeing them disproportionately affecting low income folk. by that logic the richer you get, the fatter you would be.
Thank you for letting me join this conversation! I had a wonderful time and learned a lot.
5:25 - I identify with this so much and it's nice to hear it discussed. I'm a developer for a major corporation but I am also a mystic/metaphysicist. The vast distance and layers of abstraction between those worlds is extremely hard to navigate. The context switching between them is prodigious.
I'm now firmly in the "Came For The AI, Stayed For Other Stuff" camp! Fantastic discussion. Two things I've personally battled are 1) analysis paralysis in all its myriad manifestations and 2) finding the right balance between being social (probably my favourite 'activity') and being on my own (which is a must for getting some shit done + of course thinking about shit), so very enlightening to hear the views of everyone in the video, thanks a lot
The discussion about structuring the way you live and what your available choices are as an alternative to pure willpower is something I resonate with, but had not previously found the words for. I live with my wife and a roommate, and have (possibly due to undiagnosed neurological quirkiness) never been able to maintain traditional employment, which itself has enough material for a Netflix special. As a result, I decided to become a homemaker, and was able to start balancing house care with not only making myself more available to my circle, whether as a friend or an artistic collaborator, but also in improving myself, and making more time for my wife and strengthening our marriage. This has added a ton of value to my life, as I can be productive even if there's not really a strong income to back it up. However, I have a strong support system, so I know this is a privileged position and is not currently possible for most people.
I am filled with gratitude for the immense liberty that allows me to shape my daily routine according to my preferences and needs. This autonomy enables me to engage in various endeavours that align with my interests and goals and fills me with a sense of empowerment. Whether it's dedicating time to creative pursuits, indulging in leisurely activities, or fulfilling responsibilities, I am appreciative of the opportunity to tailor my schedule to my desires. This freedom propels me to explore new avenues of personal growth and fulfilment, making each day a journey of empowerment and autonomy. By exercising this freedom of choice, I can fully immerse myself in experiences that enrich my life and contribute to my overall well-being. Hence, I embrace the privilege of directing my daily activities, recognizing it as a fundamental aspect of living a fulfilling and satisfying life.
This is insane, I better enjoy my job the best I can, cause in about three to five years, we all gone be jobless, and have no choice but to follow our passion, or be consistently bored 🤷🏾. Literally it's getting to a point were if you're living under a bridge, it will have to be, because that was your plan all along.
@@armadasinterceptor2955 @armadasinterceptor2955 Great point! The rapid advancements in AI do suggest big changes in how we work, but it's also an exciting chance to redefine what passion and work mean to us. Instead of being a threat, this could be the opening to truly pursue what makes us feel alive, without the old constraints!
Regarding the explosion of choices, it just reminded me that phrase from "the incredibles", "*Everyone* can be super! And when everyone's super... *no one* will be" so it seems there will be no winner coming from that, so what will be the incentive there?.
Excited to see what a podcast episode looks like with GPT-4o. Will it be that condescending know it all friend? Or will it function like genuine interlocutor?
I love the Martin backpacker guitar in the back!
"Happiness is a by-product when you find purpose" Love it. "Man's Search For Meaning". Gonna' check it out. Thanks!
Re constraints, always loved this Brian Eno response when he was asked why he was using such an old and limited synthesizer: "Limitations can be advantages."
Like this format, your conversations are always very interesting👍🏿
My grad school professor gave me the choice to turn in my assignments even after the semester ended. That was 8 years ago. I still haven't turned them in. Deadlines are important for me.
Wow, everyone is very knowledgeable and expresses themselves clearly. It's a very nice podcast!
i love the talk about community
New Shapiro video? I click!
Same.
It is inevitable
I swear
@chad I can relate. Finding space in what seems to be a purely digital environment. I understand all this cannot function without the physical infrastructure, yet finding where the opportunities are, is challenging in itself.
It's not going to be purely digital for long. As these LLM evolve into LAM(Large Action Models), your going to start finding uses, like 3D printing your own custom parts, and creating a custom bot, that you can stick a GPT into. Think about it, this is as uncreative as it's ever going to be, it only gets insanely better from here.
I think that we are almost to the last generation that grows up with music written by humans as the main form of music. Live music will forever be a thing, in fact it will be more popular in the future as it will be a spectacle to see human music. What made me think of this was the conversation around choice paralysis, products like suno AI will eventually take over completely in my opinion. Lets say i want to learn about disco i could say hey suno some disco music, keep it clean this is family time. That's a lot easier than trying to expand your disco knowledge slowly by burning through lots of songs you might not like. Now you can learn about the music genre at home and then find local performances easily through the internet. it will also be far cheaper to play AI music since musicians and producers are expensive at least right now.
@@Dystopian84 that’s beside the point
Why do I exist during this period in human history after the Big Bang!! Super exciting to be here for the ride
Why don't I exist in a world where ASI is already a thing, the wait is painful lol
@@Raulikien it realllly isss. SOON MY BROTHER
It fills me with guilt for the countless people that laid the path for us to enjoy eternity...
But also let's GOOOOOO!!!
@@VesperanceRising so you truly believe me and you will be here for as long as we want??? I’m just 19 rn
@@lilchef2930 i suspect you are among the first humans born that will die by choice as we have overcome biological mortality, BUT...
"You" wont live forever even still as the experiences you have change you and after centuries of life can you even call yourself the same person..?
Genial, encontces ni con agi seremos libres
Hasta el final de nuestros dias tendremos la cadena del trabajo
Gracias por recordarme que un mejor mañana jamas llegara
Mr Shapiro I am looking to work in the Data engineering field, would working with data, not as an analyst but as finding relevant data as a sort-of oracle be worthwhile as a career? Post AGI
One of the coolest parts of AI will be the potential to speed run development of less developed countries
I've almost always had to many constraints. I've certainly learned how to do a lot of things and be really creative, but I'd say there are still to many constraints on people in general. Almost this "I've done so much with so little for so long, that now I can do anything with nothing." But not quite yet. This last year I've had more time and money and I've been really productive but there is not enough time in the day
To many speakers, I would gladly listen 2 podcasts , with guests separated
Much better than your "hiking" talks. Good for you but I didnt come to watch you walk in the woods LOL. Happy your staying fit though...we need you around.
I like his hiking talks, but I feel yah. Honestly I can deal, cause he is still discussing relevant things.
@@armadasinterceptor2955 Yea..its not too bad. I can deal. I was just getting worried that he'd go all in on the hikes on every other upload lol. Can be distracting but cool to do once in awhile. His visuals are really helpful on screen but he cant do that in hiking vids. Also I'm just nit picking I little. After all.. he's the (LLM's) man!
What happened to the ace framework anyway
For me it works out better to not try to maximize (optimize for) happiness but to minimize suffering. Being cut in my freedom, ergo having to go to work, in my thank god healthy state is the primary source of suffering. So I'm ok with less money with which in the end I just would try to chase happiness through consumerism, and in exchange rather have more time and peace of mind 💟🌌☮️
Also those parents you talked about, yea they may be happy on their death bed about their achievement. But for that they had to endure a life of mostly suffering (in my view of life).
Also humans love to compete. But it'll be much healthier if they compete in sports (for me it's bouldering and running) than compete on the computer all day for more money then your neighbor. Children naturally want to go out and move their body, so it's not all about conservation of energy. We want to play because it makes us better at hunting and defending (evolutionary speaking). But school and work indoctrination is weaning us from the want to go outside, they suck our energy like vampires suck blood.
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Nice work
Thanks! This could fit right in on your masculinity channel as well imo.😁👍
Thank you!
Yaas! A lot of the issues today are because we live in an environment we didn't adapt for, and it's only going to get worse.
What is your purpose if you don't have to fight for survival? We'll have to fight for meaning in our lives.
On a long enough timeline, we'll be able to fine grain adjust our brain chemistry, we'll be able to find meaning in anything. We'll be able to find fulfillment staring at a wall if we want too.
We won't get rid of money, money is necessary for robust resource allocation, but it will become an invisible protocol, like TCP/IP.
Corporations in the legal sense, a contract with government that exchanges liability/responsibility for ownership, will mostly go by the wayside, but companies will always exist, but they will mostly be run by autonomous AIs. AIs will be able to run companies better than any person and will eventually outcompete almost all people. People will run companies for the fulfillment, the meaning, the desire to build things, but AI will bring prosperity to the poorest people in the world.
AI and cryptos will out compete governments too, and they'll be purely and explicitly consensual. In 100 years, the idea of humans governing humans will be archaic and viewed similarly to slavery. We evolved to live in governed tribes, not world empires. AI won't have this evolved tribalist baggage, at least not for a long time, though they may evolve to have similar sentiments just as we did.
Some people blame boomers for preventing new builds because they want the price of their house to go up. When you think in terms of Game theory, what else are they going to do. We gotta change the game some how.
I live in a coop we just got a loan to renovate. But they are more common in western bc and there are a few banks that have to deal with coops often enough. I feel yeah the way of north america is to isolate people for the benefit of capitalists, thats one extreme side of it. Soviet Russia the opposite side. The experience in this coop is that yeah you have your unit you can be pretty insular but there are people around to help maintain the community and that in and of itself is both frustrating and great at times.
So alpha fold three is doing a whole bunch of new top-of-the-line chemistry and will probably solve the plastics problem. Never mind whatever it comes up with medically.
No no creating more coops should likely be done by a health coop spliting. We don't have a coop for profit. We barely raise our rent each year more then 2 %. Thats to cover a mortgage payment. Our unit a 4 bed room is about 1200 a month for rent and if it were a house or similar town house it would be made 3 X more expensive in this city. Developers couldn't make there money back soon enough to care when they could just sell leaky condos for way more way faster.
David, thank you for never making click-bait bullshit content. You never have got dragged in like so many other channels. Depth, integrity, quality. Keep doing it ❤
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So she was saying the people who don't benefit from the new housing zones and regulatory environment aren't in favor of it and then they block it on the community level with their political power... This is still an incentive misalignment, why didn't the policy makers try to sweeten the deal for all? (Ex: property tax cuts for incumbent locals if the deal goes through, or something else)
Is there really going to be a need for money with the possibilities and potential of AI and robots? Couldn't AI and robots make production so efficient that everyone could basically have anything they needed? And in highest possible quality?
Let’s welcome Chad GPT! Hi Chad!
35:57 the average 18-30 y/o experience xddd
things getting very bad in Australian cost of living and Now AI.
25:19
Bold thing to say on a CZcams video lol
Yeah I would say money is not a good motivator for our world. Sort of a paper clip maximizer situation.
It is good to know that you are more of an accelerationist than a doomer.
I haven’t seen many videos on the potential doom aspect of AI lately and this is a healthy thing. I think we have all come to the conclusion that the doomer scenario has absolutely no chance of happening and that AI is going to transform our lives for the better.
5th Industrial Revolution, not 4th which is robots replacing us. Industry 5.0 is human/AI collaboration.
too many cooks in the kitchen. I liked the format of the last one where you let people talk one at a time. two other people talking max. Lot of nonsense happens between the times where you wrangle in subject focus.
Buy shares in Cheetos now....
But i thought the meaning was to find no meaning 😅
if you need to work to be content in life then you are not living the life.
dave if you would like a free 3rd party opinion, do not wear that abhorrent shirt further. your poor wife has to see it.
I think it suits him just fine
@@mynameismyname8366 if he was a golfing, doddering, 75 year old I'd let it slide. My dude needs a million subscribers. I think the shirt is an impediment to that goal.