Playing EVERY Card That Says "You Lose The Game" in One Commander Deck
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
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00:00 Intro
02:00 Pacts
03:19 Extra Turns
04:20 Lichs
08:20 Lose the Game Creatures
09:48 Lose the Game Enchantments
11:21 Triskaidekaphobia and The Deck of Many Things
13:13 You Can't Lose the Game Cards
16:40 Donate Cards
18:33 Abyssal Persecutor Hilarity
19:40 Ramp
20:17 Staples
22:05 Game Enders
23:05 Lands
25:28 Recap
#mtg #magicthegathering #memes - Hry
Thanks to rsmith415 in my Discord server for tips on the every wincon deck and suggesting Kenrith as a commander for it. That helped my choose Kenrith as the commander for this deck!
Suggestion for deck: Transcendence can be aided by several cards to lock you into a state of can't lose: Everlasting Torment, Rampaging Ferocidon, Leyline of Punishment, Forsaken Wastes, Sulfuric Vortex all stipulate that players can't gain life and Platinum Emperion locks your life total. Permanent Transcendence... So long as no one plays a removal spell.
Dave, I find this very important to note, as I have played transcendence before in an identical method: the lose the game is a triggered ability. This means, hilariously: If your life total is 20 or more and you control an effect that states “you can’t lose the game”, then an infinite loop is formed. If neither player wants to end the loop by removing one of these two cards from the battlefield, the game ends in a draw.
(2004-10-04)
Did anyone suggest Fractured Reality yet? You get a Phage, and you get a Phage! Everybody gets a Phage!
Hold up. So, you're playing all the ways to lose the game, but then you plan to NOT lose the game?
Yup that's right ;)
Reminds me of suicide warlock with a 3% win rate
Riding the edge is where the thrill at
@@kaukospots play on that red line like it's the only thing that matters. Win like (and also literally it would seem at times) no one else can. This is an amazing thing to show up to a table with.
🤯
I'm glad you included Door to Nothingness, because it CAN make you lose the game.
Very true ;)
With a friend running Worst Fears it was always a possibility in my playgroup ha
I love that Door to Nothingness can be redirected to its user.
Edit: There are 3 cards: Bolt Bend, Reroute, and Willbender
@@pyrotempestwing Also Deflecting Swat :)
The next logical step is to make a deck that plays all the "game ends in a draw" combos
Pacifist MTG
Ah yes, the Stalemate Deck
I love marauding polyraptor.
“Everypony wins the game”
I love how the deck ended up having this fun thematic identity of an undead Godking giving people the gift of unlife
Yeah, I'm officially building this now
I’d love to see a game where two players play this deck and the other two play the “you win” deck.
That might happen ;)
@@8thPlaceDave Good to know :) I wonder if there could be two other similarly ridiculous decks to include but I don’t know what they could be to match these ones.
@@ConManAU no one wins and no one loses
That's a really neat idea.
Very cool idea ! Hope a video of this comes out
The dedication, I can’t be the only one that knows how expensive that Lich enchantment is
I suggested it in the All You Win The Game deck, but Fractured Identity would be a great way to "donate" your lose cards to your opponents and when paired with Phage it makes all your opponents lose simultaneously.
You could use Glorious End to end your own turn after taking an extra one, since directly ending the turn means you skip the beginning of the End Step. So, for example, if you play Chance for Glory and take an extra turn, play Glorious End during the post-combat Main and you won’t lose to Chance. You will lose next turn to End though…
opponent watches you threatens to suicide every turn and doesn't get to play. just has to watch you monologue on the edge of a precipice.
@@gildeddrake1479 We call this the Harrier Du Bois special
Let's make the end memorable!
Wow even added the mana rock that says “you lose the game”, nice touch!
I have a Donate deck similar to this, but I'm surprised Sudden Substitution didn't make an appearance! "I'll trade your creature for this Transcendence spell I'm currently casting..." And with split second, it's unlikely anyone will be able to do anything but to gasp in awe at the sheer jankiness of it all.
That's a great idea!
There is a ruling on Transcendence that says "If your life total is 20 or more and you control an effect that states “you can't lose the game”, then an infinite loop is formed. If neither player wants to end the loop by removing one of these two cards from the battlefield, the game ends in a draw". So watch out for that.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought if you have Transcendence or Immortal Coil out with a "you can't lose the game" effect and you meet the lose condition for one of those two I believe it actually causes a game ending loop of mandatory game actions.
Hmm this one is beyond me. Someone with more rules knowledge will have to let us know.
You're not wrong, but I'm not someone with more rules knowledge. I believe the issue was that it *wasn't* game ending (although yes that means it's a stalemate)
You're absolutely right!
Quoting from the Gatherer page:
"If your life total is 20 or more and you control an effect that states “you can't lose the game”, then an infinite loop is formed. If neither player wants to end the loop by removing one of these two cards from the battlefield, the game ends in a draw."
@@oelboy this has been later updated with tournament standard rulings, if a player starts an infinite loop of state based actions that doesn't change anything, and neither player *can* stop it, the player who started the loop gets a game loss. It was to stop people just doing polyraptor shenanigans if they're in a losing position to force a draw
@@markpledger3398 would you mind linking me to that ruling?
I have never played competitively and I can't find anything about that in the comprehensive rules (except for that it works the way it is presented on the official Gatherer page)
Maybe those were house rules wherever you played.
Edit: I also can't find any mention of that in the official tournament rules from WotC.
I'm impressed by the playtesting for the deck. Every so often you get deck techs where people just use past experience to craft a new deck rather than giving out pointers based on their experience playing it
Now all you need is to make a deck that has all the cards that make your opponents lose the game. These have been a blast to check out.
Fun fact, there's only one way to trigger Enduring Angel's lose condition, and that's to turn it into a Human Werewolf, and then have something forcibly transform it, since the only cards that can force a double faced card to transform can only target Human Werewolves.
I think you’re misinterpreting the card. It only makes you lose if the replacement ability goes off and you don’t transform it. This can be accomplished as easy as having a clone or token copy of it.
My number one suggestion, as a pseudo donate/removal spell, would be Fractured Identity. You can remove something, and give the table copies of it, or you can use it to give everyone a copy of one of the lose the game cards (just wins with Phage).
Also, maybe Mutavault as a safer thing to put the counter from book of exalted deeds on, or Faceless haven if you can fit the snow mana.
I really love the slower pace and grouping techniques while showcasing the Lose the Game effects. Very well made video. Nicely done!
I agree. It was a very succinct deck tech. Explained what needed to be explained, and glossed over the boring stuff but still included it
I would include sudden substitution. You can steal an enemies creature and give him an „get an extra turn, but you lose“-spell. Dont know if that works, but seems pretty fitting.
I've been playing a deck with this theme for close to 8 years now. So many lose the game cards now had to cut tutors to make room.
You should definitely put Sudden substitution in this deck, it makes any pact lethal if your opponent doesn't have the right color
I have a drain deck that runs both Intervention Pact and Triskaidekaphobia in it. Trisk is a card that i will never remove because it's such a fun card, and I have gotten a kill with it before
Edit: My first thought when you started talking about the deck was to go the extra mile and add Abyssal Persecutor because it says that you can't win the game. Good to see that you did add it
I know it's silver border, but form of the squirrel says you lose the game if the squirrel token leaves.
"I play every card that says [I lose the game]"
"What is your game plan?"
"I lose the game"
"perfection"
One card I'd heavily recommend is Fractured Identity.
Play out a Phage or Enduring Angel, use Fractured Identity on it, then your opponents instantly lose if it was Phage, or lose the next time they go to 0 with the Angel (because tokens can't transform, so its 'youlose the game' part happens; they added that part specifically to stop people trying to cheese it with copy/token effects)
Making them lose the game by reducing them to 0 life is pretty tricky.
I love this!
If you are up for a headache, you could make a deck that is only cards that don't play as they read. (Eightfold Maze, Quicksilver Fountain, etc...)
You're a mad scientist. And I love it!
I'd think about including Fateful Handoff. It's a new Black Donate that also draws you cards. Also, maybe Hive Mind since it lets you "give" your opponents the Pacts that they'll have to pay for or die. Oh, Mutavault would be a good addition so you can animate it, put Book of Exalted Deeds on it since it's technically and Angel, and then keep it as a land for the rest of the game. Because most people don't play land destruction, it can make you mostly unkillable. (Also works with Faceless Haven if you have enough Snow Mana, but that's hard in a 5 color deck.)
You should know that if you play this at a LGS, the other players are going to say "you might not lose the game, but you may still lose your life" while pulling out knifes, forcing you to concede.
This and the Wincon deck are two of my favourite decks I've ever seen. Fantastic work, and a really fun explanation!
Thanks :)
I've made a very similar deck in the last two months with O-Kagachi as Commander and it has become my favourite one so far. it has the highest winrate out of all my decks just because nobody bats an eye - and if they do, the've already lost due to having one of my permanents.
My latest includes are:
- Onmiscience
- Fractured Identity
- Ruinous Ultimatum
- Divine Intervention (for meme-purpose)
Love it ! I would love to play both the "You win" and "You lose" lists - great idea!
Ayyy glad to see you made it! Love the content! Gimmicks are the best part of mtg kekw
Yes sir! I'm working on a list like this for myself since i saw Pact Weapon. But my commander will most likely be Verrak
Did you consider Hive Mind? I feel like that would be good in this deck.
New Sheoldred is broken with Lich’s Mastery and Aetherflux Resevoir :D
Might be too consistently good and not fun to play though, this seems like great fun as is. What a fun deck!
I love these creative decks!! When I build a deck I aim to make something that no one in the world has created and it looks like you have that same vibe when it comes to building!
Lich's mastery + transcendence is my favorite combo in my Lose the Game deck
Thanks for making this vid!!
This is such a flavorful Orzhov deck despite not really being one: Gain immortality through white to abuse extremely dangerous but powerful abilities through black, then grant your opponent those same extremely dangerous abilities as a "gift" to kill them, assisted by subjugating the three other colors.
Pretty true, actually :o
I have a 4 color deck that is effectively a retrained version of this deck.
The deck now consists a considerable amount of donation and stifle effects.
It's always fun to Reanimate a Phage the Untouchable and negate the ETB trigger with a counter spell.
This video inspired me to make the deck as well. One of my magic life long dreams is to “fractured identity” a “phage, the untouchable”. I haven’t found a good deck to play that very expensive combo but it sounds like one of the craziest ways to win a game.
I actually have a variant of this deck in that it’s the same theme, but Queen Marchesa is my commander because the best “you lose the game” cards are in that color combination. It’s a lot of fun. The deck is effectively Lich’s Mastery as a second commander
Reminds me of one of my favorite decks, which features the cards that can swap players' life totals, and a few that double or half them. It also runs Lich's Mastery and Triskaidekaphobia, plus Tree of Perdition. Life total is just a number.
I'm surprised at the lack of Sudden Substitution! Steal a creature while giving them an effect like Lich, Immortal coil, or one of the 2 mana extra turn spells.
"Hey bud, I built this really cool Kenrith deck, you should totally play it." They draw their opening hand and the horror sets in and face turns pale.
16:24 Just a note for people wanting to build something like this. Some of the lose the game effects apply at end of turn, so you would still lose in that case. (Mostly just the extra turn cards) Also any state- based lose the game effect would still happen. So end the turn effects only get around about half the cards.
This deck is super interesting. I like the idea of forgetting mechanics and just forcing players to lose. Had you considered vraska, the unseen? I feel like it should be included, as she has an ultimate ability to summon tokens that, when they deal player damage, that player loses the game
I thought about it, but the theme is to play cards that say I lose the game, not so much ones that make an opponent lose ;)
I do believe that the intention behind the Lich Enchantment is that you are becoming the Lich, the enchantment is your phylactery which is why you die if its destroyed.
I myself play a similar deck with the Reaper King as the commander. I donate the "you lose the game when they leave the battelfield" enchantments and blow them up with my scarecrows. For the early turns the scarecrows are a good way of regulating the board and keep other threats in check. Two of my favorite cards in the Deck are Drake Familiar and Release to the Wind. Both remove the enchantments from the opponents battlefield but let me play them again. And in addition the Drake doesn't target so you can return an untargetable enchantment like Nine Lives.
The deck ist full of jank but so much fun!
Wow, you have some really cool ideas for fun decks.
You know, I might actually build this deck, I have all except Lich (not gonna spend 150$ on that) and it includes a lot of fun cards that don't really see play. I like it quite a lot. Also can add Fateful Handoff from BRO as a great donate effect
Wish you had included some footage of you playing the deck itself. Kind of you to include the Moxfield list though, that was nice
This is simply amazing. Stunning.
you can't lose
very fun theme. I've been tinkering with a pact donation deck on arena, very fun to play! the trickster saga + liquimetal coating or zur eternal schemer can be a fun way to donate although it's a few more steps than donate or harmless offering. same with fateful handoff + liquimetal.
Deffo going to build this, I am going to swap out the red pact for a Fractured Identity, as I think in this deck that's a huge win con, gives each of your opponents a token copy of any card in the deck.
it's an instant win if you have Phage out!
i once build a Karador Kingmaker deck, that was focused on forcing a friend of mine to win against his will. it was very fun, especially when another friend of mine played his simic clone deck.
Abyssal Persecutor and Lich's Mastery, is the combo you play, when a friend wants to leave but you want him to stay
I can't watch this without thinking "I JUST LOST THE GAME!"
i LOVE these deck techs
Love it!
Sudden Spoiling is also a nice card to play with Pacts, opponents without the mana usually can't pay for them. Do you often need to protect your loss prevention pieces or is the reanimation on Kenrith enough? Would have thought at least Indestructebility to show up. Also Karn the Great Creator with allow replaying the Golden Throne.
Cool deck.
Here is a idea, it was one I had along time ago but you mentioned something that reminds me of it.
Gift Giving Deck ~ Deck build to give your opponent a lot of things like tokens, monsters, ect. I wanted to build one but not sure what would be a good build.
This is such a cool deck. I was a bit surprised you didn't include a gilded lotus as mana rock and also flawless manuver but that's just me.
I would love to play against this deck.
The cards for when your friend refuses to just end the game when they've basically already won.
One thing to watch out for with Gideon of the Trials is that if you're using his emblem to stay alive a type changing effect can make you lose the game. I once killed myself by using the +1 on Sarkhan the Masterless to turn all of my planeswalkers into dragons.
A pretty simple win would be to play Hive Mind and then play a Pact of a color your opponent(s) can't cast. On their next upkeep they would be required to pay a mana color that they do not have access to, victory!
Thoughts on maybe trying this with Kyodai to make cards like Lich's Mastery indestructible?
Also a great card to run in this is Cyclonic Rift, not just because it's good, but you can gift away your lose the game cards to each opponent and then overload rift to make them all lose
I would play mutavault, to transform it into a platinium angel and have the “you can’t lose the game” effect in a land.
I might have to make this and bring it to my LGS
i have a 4 color deck (non-green) floating around somewhere. it's goal is to either : hand a player a demonic pact that's about to tick out, hand someone a Lich (or equivalent effect) that's about to blow up, or use either Beacon of Immortality or Celestial Mantle on another player then set them to 0 with False Cure
I've never thought of making you lose tribal.
Suggestion for a deck title
"Dormammu, I've come to bargain"
2:39 another great card in situations like this is Deflecting Palm. One of my favorites
That was a very fun game, I like this ''rat tribal'' deck
I made wincon tribal too!! It's one of my oldest decks, and it's super dumb and funny 😂 very cool that there's someone else who tried the same ridiculousness that I did 😁
Oh hey, a video about the "Lose the game" tribal deck I was building.
I would love to see this deck played
any of the 3 litches + transcendence is incredible combo.
I made a deck using a creature named Queza augur of agonies, it has whenever you draw a card target opponent losses 1 life and you gain 1 life. The best combo I have with it is lichs mastery
shroud stuff to make it so the game will actually go on forever.
The Abyssal Persecutor thing is amazing, and now I kind of want to see a deck that is just trying to achieve a draw as fast as possible - maybe a mill/discard deck that would make your opponents lose the game super fast except abyssal persecutor is out and then you play one of the "you can't lose the game" cards and just skip through your turns until no player can do anything anymore, but also nobody can win or lose
I once played a similar donation shenanigans deck with Codie as the commander. Pretty fun! Even though I didn't include every lose the game card, most of them made it in.
Hive Mind + Pacts is also always fun for the whole table! xD
Hive Mind + Pact is a great idea!
@@8thPlaceDave Even better in Codie since you can pull the pacts from your deck by playing a one mana spell off of Codie's ability.
If you give Pact of the Titan replicate, it's an instant win in Kenrith, since you can give the tokens haste
And here I thought we were going to see some game play
This deck looks really fun, lol. Not quite the same thing but I include a few of those creatures in my Jon Irenicus deck
Is Isochron scepter available for this format? I haven't played this format or even magic in years, but this deck reminded me of the scepter, platinum angel, and final fortune deck I made back in the day lol
One important thing about aetherflux reservoir is that you can't pay life you don't have. So having a Gideon of the trials emblem doesn't allow you to pay into the negatives to shoot everyone.
This is the best way to play MTG,you know...the FUN way to play! Amazing!
Fractured identity is not only my favourite removal spell, but it's also my favourite donate spell AND is a 2-card combo with phage.
Might be worthy of consideration.
I have this deck. I run as many spells that counter triggered abilities and end my turn as I can and several things that let me gift lose the game effects to my enemies
Lich's Mastery + Nefarious Lich is a fairly good combo, you can't lose the game, whenever you would be dealt damage, you instead exile that many cards from your graveyard (or as many as you can) and whenever you gain life you instead draw that many cards instead.
is there somewhere where i can watch gameplay of this deck?
“You thought you could win…
I don’t have to win…
We both just have to loose.”
I once lost a game with someone playing a card that when it loses all counters, you lose the game. Then he used all the benefits of the card and gave me controll of said card and in my next upkeep, i lost the game.
Hive mind would be cool, having every other player cast a pact they cannot pay or take one extra turn and then lose seems like a cool strategy.
I made my atraxa deck with all the same non-red cards. I would run stifle or trickbind to counter lose the game effects should you need to. of course they can also be used to stop comboing opponents.
is lich's mirror worthwhile? it does prevent you from losing the game, but it costs you all of your permanents, which is pretty hard to come back from
Id also run hive mind as an additional "no you" effect
whoa, haven't seen the Lich card since i played the Microprose Shandalar game years ago and could play that uber rare and expensive card...so evil...the inspiration for Necropotence and Yawgmoth's Bargain...
what about Axis of Mortality?
how does it fare in this deck that's supposed to be hanging on a "lose" state? does it hang a lot on 0 life?
I am happy to see Door to Nothingness included :)
Now you have to use both every Alt-WinCon card and every Alt-LoseCon deck in the Ultimate Gambler Deck.