That moment where you find out IJ got nerfed and you weren't running any of the models that got changes... am I ahead of the curve, or just an idiot -_-
Think you guys were tough on FEC. I think the new lists are strong, at least so far so good for me. Seraphon look a lot of fun and awesome models to paint
I think FEC need someone who really wants to put in thr work. Their new bladeborn warband would probably want to be a core of any build thanks to the inherent action econ
Somehow we totally forgot they were a faction! I think that they are largely the same; Medusas and the Krone are real good, and they have 65 point chaff which is serviceable. I'd put them somewhere in C tier - much better then the dreaded Claws of Karanak!
I'm hoping that the shatterer hits along with the FoMo are enough, forcing Horns to go -1 fighter; it looks like they have pivoted into Vexmor and friends but remains to be seen how effective that actually is.
We talked about them at the end :) Solid C-Tier definitely; they can still put together a 6 fighter warband and can absorb the points bumps on Hrothgorn's Mantrappers so combined with the trend to smaller warbands they are serviceable.
Recently got back into Warcry after only playing one game with the original box set years ago. I took one look at Khorne Daemons and my first thought was “These are all so expensive for their stats”. They should all be buffed to strength 5 I think. And/or given some better crit chance mechanic.
Daemons of Khorne are difficult i think; To play into their fantasy, their either want to have really high strength so that they do the whole 'cutting through armour' thing, or high crit damage. I'm not actually opposed to having a high strength, average damage faction in the game - would mean that numerically they become very consistent with their hits and near uncounterable.
@@OffMetaMusings yeah that sounds good, high strength average damage to get a good consistent amount that will make tough high cost guys like Stormcast think twice about diving straight in.
There are a few genuinely cool ones like Tarantulos, Corvus Cabal, etc but alot of them are just a whole bunch of buff guys supported by other buff guys. It's hardly inspirational XD
I actually havent given him much thought due to not being available in matched play - the fighter is real good thats for sure but you probably want to combo him with something like a Questor Soulsworn for the extra free move.
Just played 2 games of my NH vs Sacrosanct and I can finally kill those tanks without trading half of my warband for one dude. That triple can really spike the damage of the NH.
Yeah I've been playing them alot recently after the update and am very happy with how they are doing. Its amazing what a couple of minor changes can do to a warband
Hahahah! Iron Golems as the new kings of warcry?! Noaaah I don´t think so, but really fun video, Actually by knocking them to A we are in a much healthier place now. I also think SBGL should still be in A, the abilities are greeeat still!
We need to wait to see ofc. The thing about SBGL is that they just have so many random bladeborn units that they can always put something good onto the table regardless the cost of the basic guys
I think that the fact that they had to put our a ruling on it shows that both interpretations were valid under the rules framework. Though no such problems now :)
The final list is at the end w/o toasts handsome visage over it XD you can also find a link in the description to the full list written out on my blog :)
@@OffMetaMusings Maybe I am to dense to find the part, but even at the end toast is covering parts of the squatted list. But now that I just googled your blog, I guess that doesn't matter as the written list is faster than eagle-eye searching anyway. Thanks mate =)
Its funny I make 50 icons for factions and the ones people are interested in are the ones I forgot 😅 I included them in the blog link in the description :)
You can blame toast for that! That being said, because the teleport is unlocked now there might be some scope to allying the leader into other warbands with minions
@@OffMetaMusings I saw a comment somewhere about that - there's apparently only a small handful of Chaos fighters with the Thrall runemark in Chaos. So it's cool if you want to sling Nurglings about the board but of limited use otherwise. Despite this I did manage to defeat the Jade Obelisk with Cypher Lords 2-0 in a couple of casual games at the weekend. I can now see the issues with balancing them, they are incredibly flimsy but if you happen to be playing the right sort of missions then teleport can be incredibly impactful.
MORE PLACING LITTTLE PITURES IN FRONY OF LETTERS PLZ
That moment where you find out IJ got nerfed and you weren't running any of the models that got changes... am I ahead of the curve, or just an idiot -_-
You can see the future for sure!
I think that Chaos Legionnaires are quite a solid warband. B tier at least.
You guys missed Fyreslayers (that gotrek was meant to be them) and you forgot monsterkillas (the whole Hunter and hunted was missing images)
It's almost like I had to make icons for every faction and forgot about them XD but yeah, monstakillaz are real good. Solid B/low A for sure
@@OffMetaMusings oh you made it? 10/10 job then, easy to forget
Think you guys were tough on FEC. I think the new lists are strong, at least so far so good for me. Seraphon look a lot of fun and awesome models to paint
I think FEC need someone who really wants to put in thr work. Their new bladeborn warband would probably want to be a core of any build thanks to the inherent action econ
Commenting to support the video. Tier list good.
No love for daughters of khaine :(
Somehow we totally forgot they were a faction! I think that they are largely the same; Medusas and the Krone are real good, and they have 65 point chaff which is serviceable. I'd put them somewhere in C tier - much better then the dreaded Claws of Karanak!
They are having it so rough that people even forget that they exist! :(
thanks for the tier list, and yes.. i was expected see a +points for FL in Horn but nothing happend.
I'm hoping that the shatterer hits along with the FoMo are enough, forcing Horns to go -1 fighter; it looks like they have pivoted into Vexmor and friends but remains to be seen how effective that actually is.
Thanks for making this! Where do you rate Gorger Mawpack?
We talked about them at the end :) Solid C-Tier definitely; they can still put together a 6 fighter warband and can absorb the points bumps on Hrothgorn's Mantrappers so combined with the trend to smaller warbands they are serviceable.
Great video! Do you know if the stats on warcrier will be updated? We use it to export it to tabletop sim
The guys at Warcrier updated day 1 :)
Anyone noticed hedonites of slaanesh are the best warcry faction!?!?😊
Always!
Hunters of Huansci !!! ;]
Recently got back into Warcry after only playing one game with the original box set years ago. I took one look at Khorne Daemons and my first thought was “These are all so expensive for their stats”. They should all be buffed to strength 5 I think. And/or given some better crit chance mechanic.
Daemons of Khorne are difficult i think; To play into their fantasy, their either want to have really high strength so that they do the whole 'cutting through armour' thing, or high crit damage. I'm not actually opposed to having a high strength, average damage faction in the game - would mean that numerically they become very consistent with their hits and near uncounterable.
@@OffMetaMusings yeah that sounds good, high strength average damage to get a good consistent amount that will make tough high cost guys like Stormcast think twice about diving straight in.
Realizing that all the OG Chaos warbands are pretty boring makes one realize maybe them being squatted isn't the worst thing
There are a few genuinely cool ones like Tarantulos, Corvus Cabal, etc but alot of them are just a whole bunch of buff guys supported by other buff guys. It's hardly inspirational XD
what you think about ADD gro,didal? the withe dwarf in general
and add it in to hunters of huancii ?
I actually havent given him much thought due to not being available in matched play - the fighter is real good thats for sure but you probably want to combo him with something like a Questor Soulsworn for the extra free move.
Just played 2 games of my NH vs Sacrosanct and I can finally kill those tanks without trading half of my warband for one dude. That triple can really spike the damage of the NH.
Yeah I've been playing them alot recently after the update and am very happy with how they are doing. Its amazing what a couple of minor changes can do to a warband
@@OffMetaMusings yep, feels good finally not being bottom of the food chain
Oddball question, how are people feeling about the white dwarf? And do we think we will ever get a points cost for Gotrek?
The white dwarf is real good... I'm pretty thankful that he isnt actually legal for matched play XD
Darkling Covens and the disposessed are missing. Gosh I miss when cities was one big faction.
SO they are! I've added them in the full list on my accompanying article.
Could anyone give me an idea what a decent Khorne list would be? (I do have access to the Underworlds team)
The good stuff in Khorne Mortals revolved around a Slaughterpriest and taking a swarm of bloodreavers. They are great at 65 points each.
I don’t know what pictures too look for, where is slaves to darkness? stormcast? Nurgle?
You can check out the written list over on my blog; link in the description :)
Hahahah! Iron Golems as the new kings of warcry?! Noaaah I don´t think so, but really fun video, Actually by knocking them to A we are in a much healthier place now. I also think SBGL should still be in A, the abilities are greeeat still!
We need to wait to see ofc. The thing about SBGL is that they just have so many random bladeborn units that they can always put something good onto the table regardless the cost of the basic guys
Are Gloomspite Gitz missing? (Was looking over the text article and didn't see them)
I think I called them night goblins thanks to old warhammer fantasy XD
Super suprised at peoples old reading of slippery. People were disengaging while not engaged? Huh?
I think that the fact that they had to put our a ruling on it shows that both interpretations were valid under the rules framework. Though no such problems now :)
Where are my Kruleboyz MonstaKillaz? :'(
They suspiciously ran off from my icon folder... I'd still put them in a solid B though
@@OffMetaMusings THANKS for the quickly response! :D I appreciate that!
Kroxigors movement got hit. Went from 6 to 4.
That's sad :(
@@OffMetaMusingsyeah but Im gonna try one today 😊
Great video as always, but next time please try not to cover the list with your heads ^^'
The final list is at the end w/o toasts handsome visage over it XD you can also find a link in the description to the full list written out on my blog :)
@@OffMetaMusings Maybe I am to dense to find the part, but even at the end toast is covering parts of the squatted list. But now that I just googled your blog, I guess that doesn't matter as the written list is faster than eagle-eye searching anyway. Thanks mate =)
Stab grot is a invincible TIER S how dare you boyz!? ❤ 45pt 4 tough kill everyone with reaction i spam 5 of them to stop and use generic reaction
First Prog Da Netta and next Stab Grot!!!!
I can't see dispossed dwarfs :p
Its funny I make 50 icons for factions and the ones people are interested in are the ones I forgot 😅 I included them in the blog link in the description :)
Cypher Lords still bottom tier! 😭
You can blame toast for that! That being said, because the teleport is unlocked now there might be some scope to allying the leader into other warbands with minions
@@OffMetaMusings I saw a comment somewhere about that - there's apparently only a small handful of Chaos fighters with the Thrall runemark in Chaos. So it's cool if you want to sling Nurglings about the board but of limited use otherwise.
Despite this I did manage to defeat the Jade Obelisk with Cypher Lords 2-0 in a couple of casual games at the weekend. I can now see the issues with balancing them, they are incredibly flimsy but if you happen to be playing the right sort of missions then teleport can be incredibly impactful.
@@anotherzingbo There is one big dude, who can delete models in a single activation, with the minion rune mark. Maybe he's even too big.
@@Dreadnob the Hel Pit Abomination is a Minion and a monster!
And I literally just stumbled upon a 2-warband box and ordered it off eBay. XD
No regrets!