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- Chile has lots of solar energy and now has a way of storing it. An innovative new facility in the Atacama Desert can store the power for up to 17 hours a day. Now there are also plans to convert coal-fired plants into thermal storage facilities.
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Noting the large amount of sunlight that some areas of Australia receive, we dont have much of an excuse to not incorporate this technology into out power grid.
the federal government stopped it there was concern that drivers of passing cars may get dazzled.
We could put it in very remote desert areas in NT or SA, around no fly zones, and very few roads. Could get CSIRO to do a feasibility study on it to find out impact on environment. And if it ticks all the boxes, then it's worth trying
@@donnairn3419 the federal government strikes again...
Australia has the same problem as the US they have coal barons with way too much political influence.
@@donnairn3419 people won't be allowed to drive cars 20 years later
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
Never understood why some speak of Chile as a small country... it's more than two times the size of Japan and Germany and about four times the size of UK.
Exactly
Very underrated
But most of the geology is mountainous or desert.
So the livable places are smaller than UK.
@@mgs7914 and there are beautiful towns and cities over the mountains. Switzerland is not the only mountain paradise. I was in the mountains few days ago here in Bio Bio region, nothing to envy from the expensive Switzerland
Chile has a lot less population than the aforementioned countries though (almost 20 million), which is a reason Chileans still see our country as small. The population is aging too but it's at least projected to grow due to immigration.
I missheard the name of the facility in the beginning and was like "Ah yes. Terra Dominator. Definitely not a secret super weapon." XD
Oh, thank god, you havent caught on
@@josep754 The name of the place is Cerro Dominador wich means Domineering Hill, the perfect place to build a evil secret weapon imo
@@neuroxert Next James Bond's evil villian lair right here.
The problem is that photovoltaic panels generate energy more efficiently than these mirror - molten salt plants. Then even with added cost of storage the photovoltaic plants can be cheaper. But the mirror - molten salt plants basically have no degrading elements that would have to be replaced over time (unlike photovoltaic panels and batteries).
The mirrors degrade in a matter of years. It's already been proven in the US.
@@Twobirdsbreakingfree ye but they don't produce E-waste like photovoltaics...
Photovotaic panels last for more than 30 years, so there is not much degrading going on. Batteries last at least 10 years , but can easily last even longer. They are specially designed to last very long for electricity storage purposes. But you are right. Mirrors can last even longer than PV and some "mirror plants" (solarthermal power plants) have mirrors lasting decades without any sign of degradation. But overall, the lifetime is not the problem with either PV or solar thermal. Solar thermal has the advantage of storage with very low capital cost because the materials are relatively cheap.
not are paneles photovoltaic
It's like a spear of light piercing the heavens, granting us hope and courage for a better future.
It takes real courage to get ahead...
almost 60% of chilean energy is already produced by renewable energy, the goal is get 100% before 2050.
chile also have the best deposits for lithium, copper and other key materials for electromobility.
and also have the perfect enviroment to produce the cheapest green hydrogen in the world.
all of this is just a future plus to his groowing economy, being the most succesfull country in latin america, chile is THE place to foreign investments now.
"20 year son still lives with her .."
Me 35 year old still live with my parents, and will live with them till they die, and my son will do same ...
Living with parents is nothing to be ashamed upon. 😠
Are you married?
No it is obviously not, but different cultures around the world has different customs
Unless your parents still feeds you, then that's another story. Lol
Different cultures - in some living at home after 20 is a shame, in other's it isn't - we value different things, and you can't really control what a culture values.
It's pretty common for Chileans to live with their parents even after becoming adults.
Developed countries should assist to build renewable energy in developing countries
yes, we need help!
I believe that Germany put up the money for this solar project. Yes, I agree, more developed countries need to be doing this. 👍
This type of project was tried and abandoned in the US. Not sure why
@@scottyflintstone let me guess, trump?
@@TomTom-xp2jb State Development Bank of the Federal Republic of Germany made a loan to the Chilean state.
Im from chile and this is amazing ❤ thank you germany for help chile ❤
Well done Chile. You will benefit from this.
Ese es mi Chilito lindo!
Thank you For The commercial Spot.
I remember seeing one of these mirror things in Fallout 3, and thought it was science fiction, and yet here it is!
1:10 Please understand the difference between MW and MWh. It doesn't make sense to say "100MW per day".
Outstanding!
The beautiful stunningly looks so solar plant.
The process of following the production of a plant and its generation vs waste is called Life Cycle Assessment. The resources needed to build the plant, the affect on the surrounding environment, the planned life span of the plant, and it's eventual shutdown were calculated by a team of engineers/scientists. After these calculations were reviewed, it was decided that building the plant was more beneficial than leaving the environment as it was. The impact on the environment from using fossil fuels is much greater than it is with renewable energy. The consumption of resources needed to produce renewable energy is a topic from a disinformation campaign started by Big Oil in the 1970's that is continuing today. It's purpose is to undermine the "cleanliness" of renewable resources, as an act of deflection from the environmental destruction caused by the fossil fuel industries.
A paradigm shift brings opportunity.
I like this type of solar power, but gotta mention how hard it is to mine the stuff for actual solar power panels
To store energy you literally just need to use some electricity to pump water to a higher altitude.
Once you need that stored energy, just let the water flow down again and through turbines
you only lose half of the power you put in and u can only build it in a few places and u cant store that much
The idea is NOT to need electricity to generate electricity.
This is beautiful. 🌳🌴🌵🌱🌱☘️🍀
1:10 "Over one hundred megawatts of electricity a day" - That doesn't make sense. I guess what is meant is megawatthours.
It seems that journalists and physic never can be friends :(. The Cerro Dominador CSP (concentrating solar power) has a 110 MW generator (not 100 MW) and it can run 24/7 due to the salt storage tanks with a storage capacity of 1,9 GWh electrical. The energy generation of this CSP can be up to 950 GWh/year.
04:35 this says volumes. Do they have a retirement system in Chile?
Yes
@@anotheranon3118 Pero tenemos, peor es nada. No crees?
Un sistema de AFP muy malo que no fue echo Par dar buenas jubilaciónes.
Of course we have, but the people doesn't destine enough money in a monthly base to savings so their retirement is very little, and of course then the people blames the goverment, same old story around the world.
The first second like movie blade runner 2049. Green energy,future energy
Great achievement it shall help small and low income country to grow with cheap electricity and sustainable developments
Great work
Where did they get the water to produce the steam?
the ocean
Great people
Could you not combine a liquid metal battery with this technology for even higher storage capacity?
At 500C you are limited with which metals you can use. Molten salt is adequate for this configuration.
Excellent video and ideas on using the sun power. But it still rattles my mind that they have not harvest all the water along their coast to generate a land of green vegitation.
That's impossible, you can't grow vegetables in the desert and it takes a lot more than dropping water to the earth to change a desert to a forest.
1:11 100MW of power a day? What does that mean? Is it it's peak power or constant or 100MWh a day...
It's the usual blah blah.
wow that's coal
Can I invest from the U.S?
How many millions does it cost to clean all them mirrors. It may be clean power but at what cost.
What a way to cheat anyt alien attack with this solar geothermal plant. Looks like a defensive missile weapon.
jajajaja
ssshhh🤫
I thought this system is not so sustainable. Because of huge fresh water consumption and maintenance cost / time??
Water can be reused
You thought it and were right, it's not. Look at the enormous quantity of panels needed to produce what is not much energy at all...
@@ric8167 Could you explain further? I must admit I don’t see a connection between the amount of panels needed and water consumption?
@@ric8167 ye but in this case it’s the middle of the desert land that is arid and unusable anyway. So why not use it for this purpose.
@@raempftl it's unsustainable because it's inefficient, the panels can't convert all available energy into power. Also, the manufacturing process is intensive on water consumption and usage of highly hazardous materials such as cadmium, lead and a million other chemicals. Where do you think the photovoltaics come from?
This tech is facing some challenges in Morocco for example. Where does the water for the steam turbine come from in a desert?
A big truck carrying polluted water from the nearest city?
Use grey water
Didn’t know Mordor moved to Chile 🧿
That's great, my 4 year old Samsung phone holds its charge for about 48.
48 mins or secs ????
Yeah but unfortunately Li-ion batteries are not scalable to this size, or at least not yet.
@@sopaipillascnmostaza Could you not put a single one in each panel and change the distribution stream as it leaves for customers? Decentralization, idk I'm not an electrician lol.
@@pancakesrule Hours.
@@MrLoobu This is just a steam power plant working on the heat from sunlight, distribution works on a national power grid with decentralized production
Solar energy should be CSP based not PV based.
there was in Arizona USA (I think it was Arizona,) and it was failure, maintaining cost lots of money and it is not worth of effort
Earth is at risk, how is that not worth it?
Probably bc u left it in charge of ppl from arizona
Soo... just throw out the baby with the bath water?! No re configure until it works well!
Well, don't be so focused on the USA. The rest of the world knows how to run solar CSP and make it a success story.
Only if you ignore the costs that fossil fuels create.
How they are storing the electricity for 17 hours?
The temperature of the salt can make steam for 17 hours and move the turbines.
The CSP heats the molten salt tanks during day. The tanks store a capacity of 1,9 GWh of electrical energy, enough to generate steam for the turbines for 17 hours. Additional 100 MW of solar photovoltaic provide power during day.
Funny part is why do I see these comments in common saying “The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful”? 😂😂😂
Like like a cubist artwork. Not necessarily "stunning", but surely aesthetic if you like geometry.
Because they're all paid to leave these comments. They're mostly poor people that sit at computers in these giant rooms called "click farms" with hundreds of chairs and computers. They're paid to leave these comments by the rich people behind the delusional green energy agenda. By paying a lot of people to leave comments about green energy projects, the rich people are hoping they'll be able to fool the masses into believing that the green energy agenda is not a terrible idea that is doomed to fail from the outset.
@@Twobirdsbreakingfree I got paid by some mysterious rich people too right dum dum?
@@Twobirdsbreakingfree Delusional he says unbelievable there are still ignorants like this. What do you think humans will use in the future huh dum dum?
@@artstationideas6479 they won't use anything. Because there won't be anything left to use.
This hasn't worked well whereever it's been tried. 100 MW is close to nothing and it's pretty expensive 100 MW.
250 meter high
So Germany just gave away $1bn to build this plant?
Extremely dependent on geographic and weather condition, not suitable for most countries.
Yes, but there are solutions akin to this in many places, some have wind, others wave, hydro and so on - local solutions are needed, and this wasn't touted as the solution for all our issues, but one solution.
You can also say have countries like Denmark export Wind and Wave power (as they do) to other countries nearby, and as such mountainous countries with a lot of rain can export Hydro, safe and stable countries can have nuclear.
Chile is not like most countries, it's better.
The innocent internal combustion engine car is not to blame for mounting air pollution in big cities but the small amount of octane or RON in the car's petrol tank is. "Clean gasoline" or "clean petrol" should at least have a RON 93 level or an octane 93 level. But the main problem is really the way many people define mobility on a daily basis and on a regular basis. About getting to work and shop. The solution is to come up with a far better definition of what public transportation experience really is. Electric buses, elevated electric Bus Rapid Transit (BRT), super fast trains that run on electricity, the redefinition of synchronizing life at home in a SOHO (Small Office Home Office) lifestyle that is reflected in that daily home routine environment and then on finding the nearest public transportation stop, or if time is available in between travels then seeking "rented office space cubicles" (that have a coffee bar too) at train stations meant for high mobility office workers and high mobility office employees wanting to sort out presentation work at the last minute for meetings in the meeting room at offices later on... the daily rhythm of moving from Point A to Point B as such as to temporarily rent a cubicle or rent a stop-over job space at a train station for half an hour (temporarily is the key word)... and much ahead into the broader aspect of defining what is needed for having a more flexible work procedure schedule that rewards new creativity produced instead over the repeated familiar mundane work carried out for periods and periods long that are boring.
In short... A redefinition of the daily rhythm of work and the rhythm of life greatly improves the quality of the natural environment we all live in. New technology comes in.
Es el combustible con sus gases el carbon y el calor que generamos a diario
Isn't this an old aspect that was proven unfeasible? I know I've seen this type of solar powered plants somewhere else some years ago.
As far as I know It was more efficient than solar panels 20 years ago, but now it is not. So there is not much sense in it now. At least if we are talking about massive practical use and not about experimental technology development projects.
Technologies change every year, new technology makes things more efficient.
Not really, CSP made a lots of progress in the past years. Recent projects can provide 24/7 generation similar to an ordinary nuclear power plant for a fraction of the cost of nuclear. Today the LCOE's of such new CSP's are down to $ 30 to 60 per MWh (depends on the location, financing conditions, technical specifics, etc.). However, solar photovoltaic is much cheaper, but only during daytime.
@@meerkathero6032 hello, Can you provide a source that explains the progress of these types of solar plants?
@@feras5017 My sources are my daily work as I do work in the power plant sector. Good internet sources, focused on solar, are: helioscsp, pv magazine, NREL, ISE Fraunhofer, IRENA, Berkely, PVSEC proceedings, solarpowereurope, reutersevents renewables, bloomberg new energy, commercial solar guy... to name only a few.
EV trucks and buses or cars will have no problem with charging stations all over Chile...
This is why Australia will be able to support 1 billion population in the near future..:)
🌞👍
Somos el mejor país de Chile hermano!
The solar plant looks ok
Please clarify carbon neutral.
It means a balance between the carbon emitted in relation to the carbon you don't emit. If you emit 10g of carbon from your car, but absorb 10g of carbon at the same time, you're carbon neutral. Another example would be "carbon negative", where you absorb more carbon that you emit. Think a hydro dam; yes, you produce carbon by constructing it, but to keep it simple, a hydro dam is basically a gravity dam with turbines on the bottom that generate electricity. I forget the exact number but all of our dams are hydro electric.
TLDR: Carbon Neutral: You produce the same amount of carbon that you absorb
Carbon Negative: You absorb more carbon than you emit
I m not sure how much accurate this report is as the salt needs to be in molten state n to keep it in that state fossil fuel needs to be used during night hours.
Birds flying there flash into a puff of smoke.
Birds in the middle of the desert? Good joke
Parts of the Atacama Desert have no life.
Away from the collector the strength of the sunlight will be modest.
@@cancerino666
All my replies are being deleted.
Search for yourself
Solar power plants ignite birds mid-flight
Es.un desierto...y no hay pajaros
🇨🇱
I hate to say this, but China is also ahead in this system.
Porco Rosso level workforce😅
Me during this video: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. YES. YAAAAAASSSSSS
😊☺️
How many birds are burn alive while flying , also how much water do you waste to cool the sodium and to clean the mirror and how many animals were remove to make space for the plant why don’t you speak all the mirrors are made burning coal and oil in the metal factory’s how much water was use mining and how much destruction was produce during mining and water wasted not to say the acid of the battery .
You do know why they use mirrors instead of the solar cells? Solar cell material is causing alot of environmental harm to mine out, but mirrors is like a very common cheap material. The tower is literally most concrete, solar plants are usually placed in try arid areas with not much wildlife. How meny birds die by flying into skyscrapers? Where birda choose to fly is not of our concern or of any, very little. Once the plant is up the maintanance is less than those of factories with alot of moving parts and machinary and the solar plants like these are cheep and easy to repair and once they are up and running they have a built in storage in forms of heat that can run turbines for a long time. No matter what part of tge process you look at for these plants you will find that nothing goes to waste and it is cheep and fast to build. Economicly effecient and environmentally effecoent on all levels.
The process of following the production of a plant and its generation vs waste is called Life Cycle Assessment. Most of the things you mentioned were already calculated, and it was found that building the plant was more beneficial than leaving things as they were. The impact on the environment from using fossil fuels is much greater than it is with renewable energy. The consumption of resources needed to produce renewable energy is a topic from a disinformation campaign started by Big Oil in the 1970's that is continuing today. It's purpose is to undermine the "cleanliness" of renewable resources, as an act of deflection from the environmental destruction cause by the fossil fuel industries.
I’m pretty sure China did something like this already a few years ago. It’s still good to see other countries trying out experimental energy alternatives.
The mirrors need to be parabolic not flat .that's what we use in space to power Antarctica.
Anything is better than fossil and nuclear....
Better than nuclear?
Haven’t these setups been debunked already? The tower has a feed of natural gas and the mirrors will be covered in dust in a few weeks?
⛔💉⛔🤚💔
The only thing I am thinking is - Bitcoin Mining? Cheaper than transporting that power to a city.
What are we going to do when the sun goes dark ? It's almost time for that to happen! And when the wind stops blowing? May I suggest that we stop worshiping the sun and the wind God's. False god worship, ba'al.
What about when there's no sun ? Like in the winter
In that place, even in winter, there is a lot of sun light.
There is no winter in chile. The temperatures stay somewhat similar in the winte r
This desert is at a latitude and altitude where even in winter it receives lots of sunlight. It’s a desert location it doesn’t rain much there. It’s pretty much always sunny and given the earths face angle to the sun the concentration of sunlight in this area is higher.
@@antess1446 there is winter in Chile, just not in that part, in fact most of Chilean population live in temperate latitudes, bjt the plant is located in a desert on a tropical latitude and high enought to not have to worry for not having sun
How COOL. Now it won't work in Chile :D
how long till then? It's been like 2 years now and still going
Let's remember Afghanistan 🇦🇫please.
Take care of yourself...😢
I love that Chile begins to grow and innovate, but in these presidential elections we need a president like Jose Antonio Kast, who raises Chile to be the vanguard in new technological investments, today Chile is convincing with a strong Communism, that would condemn us to failure and to become like venezuela ...
What a mess to the environment. 😞
This will leave a terrible wreckage on the face of the planet when it's abandoned and decaying a few years from now.
This feels incredibly inefficient compared to solar panels and say a Tesla mega pack
If the women have all the same requirements as men then that’s good but where I work men are required to be able to lift 50 lb boxes but women are only required to lift 35lb boxes, and yet they think they deserve equal pay.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
It won't when the mirrors are all smashed and broken in a few years time, when this has been left abandoned and delinquent as a failed project. Then it'll be a true eyesore.
@@Twobirdsbreakingfree HAHAHA you won't give up will you? What they need is some nice coal plants right?
@@hizzlemobizzle nope, that won't work either. The techno-industrial system cannot sustain itself indefinitely.
@@Twobirdsbreakingfree You do realize that your argument against this is based on the assumption that the equipment will never be maintained right?
@@hizzlemobizzle it won't be, many people are already getting tired of maintaining this complex techno-industrial system that seems to disproportionately benefit a small number of people, while taking a large toll on the mental and physical health of the many.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.
The solar plant looks so stunningly beautiful.