Apparently, Posieden also has his fair share of busywork. At least there's a story that goes around that he does, but never delegates any of it because he thinks he alone can handle it; the moral being that he's a prisoner of his own making that cannot explore the seas he rules simply because he's too egotistical to think his subordinates are as competent as he is.
@@littlebigb5370 Yeah, even Zeus and Hades delegate some aspects of their realms: Like how Hades passed the job of reaper and psychopomp to Thanatos and Hermes, giving Hecate the keys of the entrances of the underworld so she could watch over those, giving Charon the job to ferry the souls, etc, While Zeus lets Helios and Selene keep moving the Sun and the Moon, and delegates power over the winds to Aeolous and the four cardinal winds. Even a God that rules over many things has limits, if they are greedy and prideful, and refuse to delegate pieces of their realms to other deities, they'll spread themselves thin and be stuck working all the time.
I love how Hades, in this game, doesn't seem like the villain but just seems like a burned-out father who never gets to spend any time with his son because he's always doing paperwork.
Hades was very rarely depicted as the villain in old Greek myths. Most of that is modern due to Disney or just our general aversion to the idea of death, so we end up vilifying the entity in charge of the afterlife.
@@99vongola99 Especially since the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone in myth. Which depending on the source changes on whether or not she went with him willingly. Dude's just lonely and wants friends. Way better than Fratboy Zeus
@@jefferycrouse4652 even in the depictions of Persephone’s kidnapping, the kidnapping is arranged by Zeus. Hades didn’t even claim Persephone as his wife through his own machinations, Zeus basically gave her to him
@@jefferycrouse4652 for real. Zeus will screw your wife whilst you watch then kill you for moaning about it. Hades will give you a place to hang out forever and tell you his brother's an arse
@@99vongola99 No, he actually wasn't. The villainization of Hades didn't come until after the Christianization of the roman empire, long after the greek myths were no longer really 'a thing.' Hesiod and Homer never codified Hades as evil or wicked--which means that when the pantheon was more or less solidified, before Socrates' time, Hades was not evil. In fact, of the pair, Persephone was the one who got the ephitet 'The Despot', not Hades, though she was the older mystery cult. But, Christianization of Greece (coinciding with Byzantium being changed to Constantinople and the Nicean) meant that to mesh the Hellenic with Christian mythos, the Hadean had to be aligned with the Gehennic. Similar had to be done with Norse myth later, which is why we call it Hell in English and not Sheol or Gehenna or Inferno.
i like how all conversations with hades go: 1. Zagreus says or asks something 2. Hades replies reluctantly 3. Zagreus pushes the matter further 4. Hades replies in more aggressive tone
Z "What do you want for dinner?" H "We have frozen chicken at home. Something with that will be fine." Z "But like, soup or sandwich or pasta or salad? Fried? Surely you must have some preference" H "I'd prefer if you leave me alone so I can work, boy. Whatever is made, I'll eat" Z "Pizza it is, then" H "..."
This is some pretty solid father and son advice: 1) Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. No realm is perfect and ruling over any comes with a lot of responsibility. 2) No one likes being restricted, but as we get older our obligations and responsibilities become bondage. Truly, TRULY, enjoy your carefree time with no responsibilities. Its not necessarily getting older that sucks but becoming more responsible.
I remember in fate grand order when Cu is asked about the grass that’s greener on the other side and his response being something along the lines of “why would I want to tread on another persons grass”.
"Its not necessarily getting older that sucks" Gods: Some gray hair and arrogance Humans: Disease, Death, lack of sex drive, midlife crises, will to live, etc
@@ZaiDrizzleDrop that he does not care about what is someone else's The grass on the other side might seem greener, but he does not now because he does not look at the other grass
Yeah, he's actually a fairly good god since he didn't do any major crimes, apart from kidnapping (which Zues gave the green light) and turning a lover into a tree to protect her life
Zeus has a terrible character. Sleeping around and having his wife punish his women and children. Hercules would have been an absolute tragedy if it hadn't been for him being reborn into the status of a god when he died (not talking about the Disney version). And don't get me started on Hera. She can't punish Zeus (she has tried and got absolutely dicked over by Zeus) so she punishes the women that were deceived by Zeus... At least half of greek mythological stories could have been avoided if Zeus kept his pants up... I don't know of any instance where Hades was a terrible being.
I like how the whole game of hades is just zagreus talking with his hell mates and trying to talk to his mom considering no one can "die" it's all just in good fun I feel
Gods just do things differently. When death is nothing but a minor inconvenience, and you have eternity to look forward to, holding on to petty grudges is ultimately pointless. Even Sisyphus and Thanatos can eventually bury the hatchet, and Sisyphus locked Than in a trunk for at least six months.
@@coltonwilliams4153 I feel like they would fight each other to alleviate the boredom of immortality. Not because they are legitimatelly angry over those grudges, but because they are bored.
Despite getting the short end of the stick in the lots, Hades was actually the wealthiest god as he had claim to all the gems and metals of the Earth. He was feared, but respected. One of the few gods who would actually keep his word with mortals, rarely ever meddled in their affairs, and was faithful to his wife. He is usually portrayed as a villain in modern media, be he is one of the better and more moral gods in the Greek Pantheon.
life is unjust, as everyone is born with different talents and into different circumstances, but death is the most fair thing to exist. Everyone faces death eventually, and everyone faces the same unknown. That said, death can be staved off for a time through luck, taking care of oneself, and the aid of doctors. Thus Hades being a fair and honest god, who is willing to offer bargains for a temporary release from death makes sense to me. He is the final judge, and is as unbiased as possible for someone who still is a person.
I don’t think Zeus could have been trusted with the Underworld. Not even death could save women at that point. Hades is the most responsible of the three and so he’s honestly best suited for the job.
In the actual myths, Hades used the Underworld's nature to his advantage to get away with kidnapping Persephone and making her his wife. He's not a boytoy like Zeus, more of a creep instead. Meanwhile Poseidon's getting decent game and not bragging about it, even if he does seem to have a tendency to father pricks.
@@plasticold2167 He didn't use the Underworld's nature. He talked to Zeus about a wife and Zeus offered and agreed Hades could marry his daughter. Zeus, however, failed to arrange this with Persephone's mother, or tell her. The christianization of the myth is what changed Hades from someone who had made a normal deal to marry a daughter into a rapist. But yeah, no, in Hesiod and Homer, Persephone was certainly no unwilling participant. In fact, of the two, she is the one repeatedly refered to differently. 'Hades, and Dread Persephone' 'Persephone, the August' 'Holy Persephone' Hades never gets such declarations, which means that in Theogeny and the Illiad, Persephone is the one given the stature and reverence.
@@coryaddison979 That was entirely made up by Ovid, a Roman poet. All versions older than Ovid either have Medusa born a monster, or become one on her own without divine intervention. Ovid liked to modify myths to make gods and kings into even bigger assholes than they were in the original myth. Edit: However they are several other myths that involve Poseidon raping women. He just doesn't get as much attention for it in the modern day as Zeus.
What people honestly forget is that Hades is still technically the head honcho of everything. He’s the eldest son of Chronos and even though he has jurisdiction of the underworld, he commands the dead. Meaning that he technically controls the people above because they will eventually die and fall to his reign
@@sythrusI do wonder if that's just a side effect of there being relatively less stories of him since people didn't wanna talk about him as much, and that there wouldn't be stories about the children of Hades for similar reasons
@@zeeb2190 I mean the reason why Zeus was such a philanderer was for the same reason, how Greek peoples at the time about the concept of the King of the Gods (and thus authorities such as kings in general, see tragedies involving Greek kings) influenced the amount of stories and the nature of the Gods' involvement, but that doesn't mean we don't take that into account when trying to personify these oral story concepts as characters. Zeus slept around, Hera blamed the homewreckers because she was the God of marriage and mortals are the only sinners under her purview (plus most people probably thought of Zeus' escapades as a representation of the tendency of Greek leaders to sleep around, don't know if it was a critique or just a representation but we do know it was thematic of Greek culture at least), and Zeus also punished those who weren't hospitable because he's the God of hospitality. They were concepts. Zeus arranged Persephone's marriage in most accounts, and you'd think that the Rape (abduction, I don't think there was a word for rape in Greek culture, the use of the word rape here just meant kidnapping) of Persephone was the worst thing he did. Plus the whole don't eat the food of the underworld thing, but that isn't even that bad given that Persephone gets to return above ground to her mother Demeter and it's supposed to be an origin myth for the seasons.
@@zeeb2190 you generally didn't want to invoke the cthonic gods either since yknow having their attention would bring you closer to death and its domain, there's a reason why you dont, especially persephone she was the more terrifying of the two hades was always characterized as reasonable and willing to give you a chance. If you catch the ire of persephone though you'd get it and hades would feel a bit of pity for you most probably.
@@zeeb2190 I heard they they use to not mention Hades by name since they don't want to anger him and bring death upon them, so that's probably why there are less stories of him, still a chill dude
@@ebi_tempuraNo is saying that the Greek underworld was solely for torture. But there was definitely all those things in spades. For example, the Fields of Punishment.
@@LCTesla this is a creative liberty from the game,the game's codec its Said that the asphodel was flooded by the River flegetonte, a River of well fire that runs inside the greek hell
So what I'm hearing, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that Hades likwly would have chose the underworld anyways, but being forced into it is the problem. Everyday Hades becomes the the most humane god.
And wasn’t it said that Zeus cheated when they drew lots to give Hades what was seen was the worst option? I don’t imagine anyone wouldn’t be bitter about that.
I always liked how aggressively practical Hades is in this game. He comes across as overly stern and angry but by everything we've seen he's the single most responsible Olympian that we see in the game, especially compared to his brothers. He does the job because it needs to be done, even when it hurts.
Disney really screwed this guy over. While some versions of the myths make him out to be as bad as the other Olympians, a majority of them make him the most reasonable of them all. Any time someone wants to bring someone else back, Hades gives them a devil's deal. "Here is a test. If you succeed, you can have them back, if you fail, they are mine." This man won every time, with no tricks, double-crossing, or shenanigans. I would rather have him in charge of the Underworld, instead of Zeus.
Of the King and Queen of the underworld, one of them is given the title 'Dread', in Hesiod. Only one of Hades and Persephone are refered to as 'The Despot.' It's not Hades.
Even when Disney's Hercules came out, when I was in fifth or sixth grade, I was really into Greek mythology and I knew that despite being a death god, Hades wasn't that bad, just minded his own business and did his job most of the time. But I'll play devil's advocate and say that James Woods's Hades is maybe the only version of an evil Hades I like. His sass, his humor, and his outbursts (seriously, his "YOU ARE WEARING HIS MERCHANDISE?!" scene is the funniest in the movie) are just too darn perfectly paired up with James's voice. Like most other things in that movie, it's not very true to the source material, not the least of which is that even people who barely know the Hercules myths know that he was the son of a god and a HUMAN (and in the movie's case, they never said Zeus and Hera WEREN'T still siblings, hint hint). But that time, I enjoy the execution so much that I can forgive it.
Near as I know, Hades only ever horrifically ruined 2 people. And they absolutely deserved it. Not just because Theseus and Pirithious kidnapped the 12 year old Helen of Troy and played to keep her around until she was old enough to marry Theseus, but because they also tried to kidnap Persephone from Hades to marry her to Pirithious. Hades bound them to chairs with snakes and sicked a host of OTHER snakes and the Furies on them. Does ANYONE blame him for this?
Not just Hades, they weren’t even trying to be accurate. They even used the Roman name for Heracles. But it’s cuz they weren’t even trying, that I don’t think it’s too bad. Disney Hades is an icon. None of the other gods in that movie are remembered as well and as fondly. If anything, I’d say the Percy Jackson movie did him dirty as the OG story didn’t demonize Hades at all.
Zagreus, given a speech about how life will throw more responsibilities and burdens upon him as he grows until he has no power to make choices: “Can’t wait :D”
I like how in this conversation, Hades softens a bit as the conversation progresses. He's annoyed about getting asked to think about a choice he can no longer influence, but then offers some legitimate advice about how Zagreus is looking at the situation the wrong way around and needs to take advantage of the opportunities he still has while he can. It's not coercion, not a demand for fealty. just an earnest plea for Zagreus to explore the options available to him before they are closed off by circumstances and responsibility.
In ways we can already see it, though they drew lots we can imagine Hades was actually somewhat happy with what he got. Besides, the underworld has its perks. It’s dark, quiet, and no one to bother him. There, everything can be exactly as he sets it. One or two changes, but nothing more than the usual crazy.
By logic of actual Greek myth as scary as it was for them, The Greeks admit that Hades probably had the best deal. As the Eldest of the God and the rightful heir to the throne Hades as lord of the Dead means that everyone ruled by his brother will eventually become his subject forever. At the end of everything Hades will rule all.
@@Broomer52 He also got all the richs under the Earth, so he had far easier acess to Valuable Minerals (Gold, Silver, etc) and Gemstones. So compared to his brothers, hes the richests of the Gods on top of getting all the followers sooner or later.
Meanwhile Poseidon flexes his muscles as and tangles all the sea’s most ferocious monsters. And Zeus is up too getting drunk and having to deal with Hera yanking his beard. Not in a good way too.
@@peterwhite6415 He was indeed referred as "The rich" or "The one who receives lots of gifts", but as a reference to souls, not gemstones. Even its Latin name, "Pluto" means "rich"
This exchange, as well as some parts of the character Hades, could be an homage to “Poseidon” , a short story written in 1920 by Franz Kafka. In it , the sea god is seen stuck at a desk filing paperwork on the ammount of waters he has to manage, lamenting the mind numbing job he sees no escape from and the erroneous perception that people have of him. Maybe it’s just coincidence, but Hades here stating that “each realm has its host of unenviable problems “ seems to allude to this
It's kinda funny that Hades is so dismissive of the sea, given that in Mycanean myth, Poseidon was the original underworld god and more of a god of earthquakes. (While not verifiable, I'm fond of the idea that "Hades," or a word much like it, was some kind of epithet for Poseidon to express his underworld connection, and eventually got carved off into a separate deity.) I'm also intrigued by the fact that, in the myths, people go to the underworld after death specifically because Hades was the firstborn son of Cronus, so existence is supposed to be his by birthright- Zeus and Poseidon basically just get to borrow his inheritance for a little while, and he eventually claims what's his. So, if the lots had been drawn differently, everyone would have instead either ascended to Olympus or into the sea on death, while the Olympians would either rule from the underworld or seabed, and Poseidon would either keep his old earthshaker position and rule over the underworld or would be a sky god ruling the clouds and birds. (Writers should be adapting these AUs YESTERDAY. XD)
There's also a version where Zeus is the lord of the underworld, or rather hades is referred to as "Zeus of the Underworld", and it's highly relevant to the main character of Hades 2, so they clearly know the material they're playing around with and how none of it is internally consistent.
Myceanean Poseidon wasn't really a underworld deity. He was initially part of trinity that governed the earth as he and Hades were once one figure as a earthquake diety. Persephone is the og Underworld boss, that her cult managed to keep her name secret. Myceanean Persephone and Demeter were sisters and the precursor Poseidon/Hades combination was the brother/husband to them. Records are sparse because... well earthquakes and time
Honestly, I feel like even if Hades *did* have a choice he would still choose the Underworld just because he would know that he's the only one that would actually handle it responsibly I mean, would you trust Zeus or Poseidon to look after all mortal souls in the afterlife with zero prejudice or bias?
When you think about it, where ever Hades ended up would have been the realm of the Dead, as all creation and all living things are technically his by birthright. So he would always have ended up the God of the Dead, just under different circumstances.
Zag: "Hey father, I have a question." Hades: "Well I'm not going to answer it boy, it's either a stupid and meaningless question, or one's which answer you are not allowed to know" Zag: "Great, thanks Father."
This and Percy Jackson have the most accurate depictions of Hades in years, and all they had to do was make him a guy that just seriously hates his job :p
@@weaboo101 Mortals have beaten up gods in myths before, let alone demigods. In the Iliad Diomedes, who is a very very far descendant of a demigod, stabbed aphrodite through the arm and then threw a spear through Ares stomach, causing both to flee.
@@Jeremy-gy7me yeah, but we are kinda talking about Hades here, who is basically on his domain, or turf which he should be more powerful, even if you explain Percy using the river and his blessing to get him
This is one of many aspects of why Hades is an amazing game and well deserves its recognition. The dialog between the characters makes it feel so real that they have actual bonds and connections with. Greek mythology is always a win in my books, and this game adopts it very well. Looking forward to Hades 2.
Honestly, given the choice, Hades would probably have chosen rulings the afterlife purely to spare immoral souls from being stuck with his irresponsible brothers.
Oh its pure Christian ideology. He's a god of death and lives in the underworld, so at face value he's a perfect satan analogue. People are already primed to hate him, so its easier for writers to lean into that when determining villains among the gods while making Zeus the kind godly figure(looking at you Disney). Thankfully this isn't as common now as it used to be.
@@seasnaill2589 It's not exactly just Christian ideology. Most of it is now, but there's some evidence of the god of death basically being referred to as "the one who shall not be named lest you bring their attention to you." By the time Hades had been solidifed as Underworld god, that was all gone though from what I know.
This is my favorite depiction of Hades in pop culture. He's the most accurate to the mythology. Hades isn't a greek version of the devil and not some villain plotting to overthrow Zeus. Hades is actually relatively chill compared to his brothers. He takes his job seriously and doesn't try to interfere with the lives of mortals like Zeus or Posiedon.
Man, I would love to see Kratos from Ragnarok slip into the Hades timeline. I can see Ragnarok Kratos recognizing Hades and Hades might recognize whatever fraction of GoW Hades' soul in Kratos. It's a tense stare down before Zagreus breaks it up by asking who the visitor is. Kratos realizes that this must be an alternate timeline and he hesitantly sheathes his Blades and announces he is lost. Hades, understanding Kratos does not seek bloodshed, lowers his guard in reluctance. Then they eventually have this gruff from one father to another kind of talk. Kratos meets Persephone, realizes how different these versions are from the ones he knows. In the end, Hades and Kratos gruffs at each other in unspoken understanding as Charon helps shepherd Kratos back to his timeline.
Hes seen and heard countless souls. Seen love and loss. Heroes and villains. Tricksters and geinuses. Gods and titans. All fall into his realm at some point. He may not be the god of wisdom. But hes leatned much during his time. Making sure the dead stay dead and they go where they belong
Umm, did you play the game? Hades never once stops Zagreus from venturing out, although it is within his power to completely lock him down. And that's to say nothing the super spoilers reasons that Zagreus can't truly leave, which have little to do with Hades' will.
I think that might have been part of the tension between them. He tried to force Zagreus into that adminstrative job, and rather than doing it begrudgingly, he walked out on it. Whenever Hades tried to force something on Zagreus, Zagreus resisted, something Hades didn't do. He had to wait until Zagreus willingly took on those responsibilities, and found his own way
@@The0rangeCow no way,that son of a bitch stopped me from getting out so many times just to act like "he didn't force anything onto zagreus" I had to fucking learn how to git gud to beat him lol
@@ladyofrillwaterKeeping him from venturing out and robbing him of choice are the same thing. Hell, he didn’t even try to force him into an administration job even though, as a god, he absolutely had the power to do so. Once Zag decided he wasn’t going to do it, Hades accepted it and moved on, even when it annoyed and disappointed him. Zag had plenty of choice growing up. He just chose not to truly apply himself to anything until the start of the game. Because learning to grow up is his character arc. Just like learning to loosen up is Hades’s arc.
The summary of mine of what Hades said is "I don't hate being here, I hate that I was never given a choice in what I want" Considering Hades' character i can clearly imagine him picking Underworld as his domain, but the fact that the choice wasn't his and he now can't leave to visit Overworld, i can see the resentment towards his family on Olimp.
I always thought that he never drew, and instead seeing the ginormous amount of dead and knowing that his brothers would bicker over whoever got the underworld, willingly chose the underworld so as to make sure that was sorted out as soon as possible.
I wonder if Hades, either this one or the one from actual mythology, was just as dark and broody before he got stuck with the underworld, or it was that realm that soured him to the point he is now. Maybe his personality was different before.
or is it the other way around, the underworld is dark and broody because of Hades? Posideon and Zeus are wild and chaotic, and can be anything from a calm breeze to violent storms Maybe hades is affecting the underworld as the underword affects him
I like this little back and forth because it’s one of the only times Hades doesn’t get ticked off at Zagreus, it makes it feel like he actually understands why Zag would even ask that question, and takes it as a genuine opportunity to impart some wisdom to his son, rather than snapping back at him for daring to ask such questions.
I always thought Hades was just playing the long game because though there is a delay, he's going to rule everything because everyone dies at some point.
My take on the 3 Realms Distribution is: Zeus got fucking ripped off. Hades rules the Underworld where almost ALL souls go to after death. Poseidon rules the Oceans and Seas, literally almost 75% of the entire world's habitable areas(including all life). Zeus rules the Sky and the Heavens, and while that sounds really great and domineering, there's fuck all in the Sky. Even birds don't stay in the sky and live on the Earth. Zeus, as the God King, literally owns the most useless Realm in all of Greek Mythology, with barely any life to govern, and that probably gives him more reasons to just go around the Mortal Realm and seduce everyone.
Ooh, that part about time bringing responsabilities gradually until they bind you sounds interesting, considering a game trailer that came out recently.
I just want to point out I have 171 runs and I have not heard this conversation. Jesus christ Supergiant put SO many interactions into this game and it is amazing.
"As you grow long in years, you gain more burdens and responsibilities, until they bind you." -Hades That cuts deep, now that I'm about 4 years into the "adult life" and working my ass off for a house...
I was talking to my father how I did a little chivalry here and there, walking one of my friends home since it was rainy and she didn't bring an umbrella and how despite the aching foot underneath, I just relied solely on the remaining persevearance I had left, my dad told me how it's good to have such things(persevearance) as like Hades said the older you are the more responssibility I would have to handle, and how different it is compared to being a child and to enjoy the things like spare freedom I have left rather than lament of the simpler times.
the funny thing is that hades has chosen the underworld, he is the first born of cronos and creation is his birthright, he is the one to propose a random way of picking
Hades gave some pretty good advice. I kind of found it to be relatable to my life right now. My family has been relying upon me for a lot more than before. Sure I always had tasks to be responsible for but in the past few years it feels like they've grown to rely on me more and more. I dont mind helping necessarily but it has been quite stressful having so much placed on my shoulders, especially if it means being counted on to be one of the responsible ones in unpleasant situations. Growing older isnt so bad but responsibility is tough to handle. Here's to hoping we all get to enjoy whatever free time we are blessed with.
He's just tired.of having to work all the damn time. So his son is a rebel and wants out! So what! Hell, die enough and eventually he just lets you leave at the end because he's just. So tired. Hades needs a vacation. I hear Venice is nice when it's not on fire.
I honestly understand Hades. I'm currently in one of those situations where you are still stuck living with parents as housing is very expensive here and they chose to change houses. Nothing was asked to me, nor my opinion on the matter or if we should have waited. A lot of things happened but at the core of it... I hated not having any choice. Freedom of choosing, that is more important than you think.
Hades is probably the only Greek god I can actually respect. He got the short stick but at least he tries to be the best warden of the dead he can. Also unlike his brothers he seemed to me to be a good man (more or less).
He sound like my mum. "Oh you have it great as a kid, just have to worry about school. Wait till you grow up, then your life will be fucked over with responsibilities." Way to go mum, great mindset... Thanks for teaching that to me with only solution being "just deal with it, lol". Glad I found my own path rather than that misery.
In the version of the myth i know, Hades did actually chose first, and picked the underworld among the 3 realms. The real loser among the 3 was poseidon who picked last and had to take the sea despite hating it. They say it is why, out of spite, he made the ocean such a stormy and dangerous place. It's funny how scared ancient greeks were of the sea and how it translates in their mythology
I always wondered about it. Some said that Zeus cheated when drawing lots, same as Odysseus cheated when drawing lots in cyclop’s cave but they never said how they cheated. How does one cheat when drawing lots? I have no idea, anyone has a suggestion?
You keep the lot you would have chosen in your hand before choosing the lot. You then make sure you take a lot and replace it with the lot you already have.
@@feranard still doesn’t really explain how Odysseus cheated in the cave when chosing who among his men were going to blind the cyclop but it sounds good.
Interesting perspective on immortality and never aging (remaining strong): the longer you live the more responsibilities you have, so as an immortal they keep on piling and piling
i don't remember where i heard it, maybe this game maybe somewhere else, but i remember someone asked hades a similar question and his reponse boiled down to "all 3 realms have their pros and cons and, while the underworld is arguably the worst, the underworld is also the hardest to rule and neither zeus nor poseidon would have a chance of running it properly, only hades can rule the underworld
![[Hades] Zagreus finally finds out who hired Skelly](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HxjlpUZ_DDw/mqdefault.jpg)
Sea: Cold and wet
Sky: Blinding heights
Underworld: Paperwork
Paperwork in pitch darkness
Apparently, Posieden also has his fair share of busywork. At least there's a story that goes around that he does, but never delegates any of it because he thinks he alone can handle it; the moral being that he's a prisoner of his own making that cannot explore the seas he rules simply because he's too egotistical to think his subordinates are as competent as he is.
@@littlebigb5370 Yeah, even Zeus and Hades delegate some aspects of their realms: Like how Hades passed the job of reaper and psychopomp to Thanatos and Hermes, giving Hecate the keys of the entrances of the underworld so she could watch over those, giving Charon the job to ferry the souls, etc, While Zeus lets Helios and Selene keep moving the Sun and the Moon, and delegates power over the winds to Aeolous and the four cardinal winds.
Even a God that rules over many things has limits, if they are greedy and prideful, and refuse to delegate pieces of their realms to other deities, they'll spread themselves thin and be stuck working all the time.
@@PhoenixFlame321 The 1st rule for rulers: No man (or god?) rules alone
I’d choose the first two tbh, even if those were the only contexts.
I love how Hades, in this game, doesn't seem like the villain but just seems like a burned-out father who never gets to spend any time with his son because he's always doing paperwork.
Hades was very rarely depicted as the villain in old Greek myths. Most of that is modern due to Disney or just our general aversion to the idea of death, so we end up vilifying the entity in charge of the afterlife.
@@99vongola99 Especially since the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone in myth. Which depending on the source changes on whether or not she went with him willingly. Dude's just lonely and wants friends. Way better than Fratboy Zeus
@@jefferycrouse4652 even in the depictions of Persephone’s kidnapping, the kidnapping is arranged by Zeus. Hades didn’t even claim Persephone as his wife through his own machinations, Zeus basically gave her to him
@@jefferycrouse4652 for real. Zeus will screw your wife whilst you watch then kill you for moaning about it. Hades will give you a place to hang out forever and tell you his brother's an arse
@@99vongola99 No, he actually wasn't. The villainization of Hades didn't come until after the Christianization of the roman empire, long after the greek myths were no longer really 'a thing.' Hesiod and Homer never codified Hades as evil or wicked--which means that when the pantheon was more or less solidified, before Socrates' time, Hades was not evil. In fact, of the pair, Persephone was the one who got the ephitet 'The Despot', not Hades, though she was the older mystery cult.
But, Christianization of Greece (coinciding with Byzantium being changed to Constantinople and the Nicean) meant that to mesh the Hellenic with Christian mythos, the Hadean had to be aligned with the Gehennic.
Similar had to be done with Norse myth later, which is why we call it Hell in English and not Sheol or Gehenna or Inferno.
i like how all conversations with hades go:
1. Zagreus says or asks something
2. Hades replies reluctantly
3. Zagreus pushes the matter further
4. Hades replies in more aggressive tone
You’d think it’d get old after hearing them dozens of times, but it just doesn’t. Brilliant writing
"Can't wait!"
It's like that Pawn Stars meme
(optional) 5. Zagreus says witty remark
(optional) 6. Hades groans and/or yells at Zagreus to just leave him alone
Z "What do you want for dinner?"
H "We have frozen chicken at home. Something with that will be fine."
Z "But like, soup or sandwich or pasta or salad? Fried? Surely you must have some preference"
H "I'd prefer if you leave me alone so I can work, boy. Whatever is made, I'll eat"
Z "Pizza it is, then"
H "..."
This is some pretty solid father and son advice:
1) Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. No realm is perfect and ruling over any comes with a lot of responsibility.
2) No one likes being restricted, but as we get older our obligations and responsibilities become bondage. Truly, TRULY, enjoy your carefree time with no responsibilities. Its not necessarily getting older that sucks but becoming more responsible.
I remember in fate grand order when Cu is asked about the grass that’s greener on the other side and his response being something along the lines of “why would I want to tread on another persons grass”.
"Its not necessarily getting older that sucks"
Gods: Some gray hair and arrogance
Humans: Disease, Death, lack of sex drive, midlife crises, will to live, etc
@@lunerblade13 what does it mean?
@@ZaiDrizzleDrop that he does not care about what is someone else's
The grass on the other side might seem greener, but he does not now because he does not look at the other grass
"The grass is always greener on the other side, but it's usually because they use more manure." - Good advice I got once
Well Hades has a point
Olympus IS pretty high.
Hades always has a point he's just an asshole about it
Yeah, he's actually a fairly good god since he didn't do any major crimes, apart from kidnapping (which Zues gave the green light) and turning a lover into a tree to protect her life
Hades always has a point, and, let's be honest, compared to the Olympian Gods (except for Hestia), he isn't remotely bad.
Zeus has a terrible character. Sleeping around and having his wife punish his women and children. Hercules would have been an absolute tragedy if it hadn't been for him being reborn into the status of a god when he died (not talking about the Disney version).
And don't get me started on Hera. She can't punish Zeus (she has tried and got absolutely dicked over by Zeus) so she punishes the women that were deceived by Zeus... At least half of greek mythological stories could have been avoided if Zeus kept his pants up...
I don't know of any instance where Hades was a terrible being.
I like how the whole game of hades is just zagreus talking with his hell mates and trying to talk to his mom considering no one can "die" it's all just in good fun I feel
Gods just do things differently. When death is nothing but a minor inconvenience, and you have eternity to look forward to, holding on to petty grudges is ultimately pointless. Even Sisyphus and Thanatos can eventually bury the hatchet, and Sisyphus locked Than in a trunk for at least six months.
@@coltonwilliams4153 True! Just like in video games, death is just part of the story- a part of the world they rule.
Well there are ways the Olympians can die permanently, hydra venom being one intrestingly enough. But they are very hard to kill.
@@coltonwilliams4153 I feel like they would fight each other to alleviate the boredom of immortality. Not because they are legitimatelly angry over those grudges, but because they are bored.
@@Skyte100 unfortunately thats not how Zeus passes the time
Despite getting the short end of the stick in the lots, Hades was actually the wealthiest god as he had claim to all the gems and metals of the Earth. He was feared, but respected. One of the few gods who would actually keep his word with mortals, rarely ever meddled in their affairs, and was faithful to his wife. He is usually portrayed as a villain in modern media, be he is one of the better and more moral gods in the Greek Pantheon.
Actually it mirrors our reality now...
You can think Christianity for portraying him as a devil-archetype.
life is unjust, as everyone is born with different talents and into different circumstances, but death is the most fair thing to exist. Everyone faces death eventually, and everyone faces the same unknown. That said, death can be staved off for a time through luck, taking care of oneself, and the aid of doctors. Thus Hades being a fair and honest god, who is willing to offer bargains for a temporary release from death makes sense to me. He is the final judge, and is as unbiased as possible for someone who still is a person.
@@syweb2 I think you mean Disney
@@MrNoot39449 both
I don’t think Zeus could have been trusted with the Underworld. Not even death could save women at that point. Hades is the most responsible of the three and so he’s honestly best suited for the job.
Anyone with a Hole: Finally! I escaped Zeus in Death.
Zeus in The Underworld: Guess Again!!
Anyone with a Hole: NOOOOO!!!!
In the actual myths, Hades used the Underworld's nature to his advantage to get away with kidnapping Persephone and making her his wife.
He's not a boytoy like Zeus, more of a creep instead. Meanwhile Poseidon's getting decent game and not bragging about it, even if he does seem to have a tendency to father pricks.
@@plasticold2167 He didn't use the Underworld's nature. He talked to Zeus about a wife and Zeus offered and agreed Hades could marry his daughter.
Zeus, however, failed to arrange this with Persephone's mother, or tell her.
The christianization of the myth is what changed Hades from someone who had made a normal deal to marry a daughter into a rapist.
But yeah, no, in Hesiod and Homer, Persephone was certainly no unwilling participant. In fact, of the two, she is the one repeatedly refered to differently.
'Hades, and Dread Persephone' 'Persephone, the August' 'Holy Persephone'
Hades never gets such declarations, which means that in Theogeny and the Illiad, Persephone is the one given the stature and reverence.
There's also the myth of medusa where poseidon forced himself on to medusa
@@coryaddison979 That was entirely made up by Ovid, a Roman poet. All versions older than Ovid either have Medusa born a monster, or become one on her own without divine intervention.
Ovid liked to modify myths to make gods and kings into even bigger assholes than they were in the original myth.
Edit: However they are several other myths that involve Poseidon raping women. He just doesn't get as much attention for it in the modern day as Zeus.
What people honestly forget is that Hades is still technically the head honcho of everything. He’s the eldest son of Chronos and even though he has jurisdiction of the underworld, he commands the dead. Meaning that he technically controls the people above because they will eventually die and fall to his reign
Hes also usually the only one of his siblings that doesn't cause problems on purpose, usually people go to him and start shit
@@sythrusI do wonder if that's just a side effect of there being relatively less stories of him since people didn't wanna talk about him as much, and that there wouldn't be stories about the children of Hades for similar reasons
@@zeeb2190 I mean the reason why Zeus was such a philanderer was for the same reason, how Greek peoples at the time about the concept of the King of the Gods (and thus authorities such as kings in general, see tragedies involving Greek kings) influenced the amount of stories and the nature of the Gods' involvement, but that doesn't mean we don't take that into account when trying to personify these oral story concepts as characters.
Zeus slept around, Hera blamed the homewreckers because she was the God of marriage and mortals are the only sinners under her purview (plus most people probably thought of Zeus' escapades as a representation of the tendency of Greek leaders to sleep around, don't know if it was a critique or just a representation but we do know it was thematic of Greek culture at least), and Zeus also punished those who weren't hospitable because he's the God of hospitality. They were concepts.
Zeus arranged Persephone's marriage in most accounts, and you'd think that the Rape (abduction, I don't think there was a word for rape in Greek culture, the use of the word rape here just meant kidnapping) of Persephone was the worst thing he did. Plus the whole don't eat the food of the underworld thing, but that isn't even that bad given that Persephone gets to return above ground to her mother Demeter and it's supposed to be an origin myth for the seasons.
@@zeeb2190 you generally didn't want to invoke the cthonic gods either since yknow having their attention would bring you closer to death and its domain, there's a reason why you dont, especially persephone she was the more terrifying of the two hades was always characterized as reasonable and willing to give you a chance. If you catch the ire of persephone though you'd get it and hades would feel a bit of pity for you most probably.
@@zeeb2190 I heard they they use to not mention Hades by name since they don't want to anger him and bring death upon them, so that's probably why there are less stories of him, still a chill dude
To Hades, the worst thing about hell is not the heat, the burning, the suffering or the etenity you're stuck in it... but the paperwork
I ask you, what could be worse?
Theres no burning in suffering in hades, please stop conflating christian mythology with greek mythology
@@ebi_tempura did you completely miss all of the hands grasping from the lava in asphodel
@@ebi_tempuraNo is saying that the Greek underworld was solely for torture. But there was definitely all those things in spades. For example, the Fields of Punishment.
@@LCTesla this is a creative liberty from the game,the game's codec its Said that the asphodel was flooded by the River flegetonte, a River of well fire that runs inside the greek hell
So basically “I don’t hate my work, I hate that I didn’t get to choose”
So what I'm hearing, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that Hades likwly would have chose the underworld anyways, but being forced into it is the problem.
Everyday Hades becomes the the most humane god.
Yep
hades:"okay lets do the dishes"
wife/mother: "do the dishes"
hades:"well now i am not doing it"
Well the most relatable anyway
Checks out. That was his problem with Zeus.
And wasn’t it said that Zeus cheated when they drew lots to give Hades what was seen was the worst option? I don’t imagine anyone wouldn’t be bitter about that.
hades actually sounds like a father here
IIRC this is post them game where he is nicer :P
Well he does in fact love his son. It's just, considering his role and the personality he developed through it, it's VERY VERY tough love.
So that's why Hades lets zagreus do his thing. Because he want's him to enjoy himself while he can
I always liked how aggressively practical Hades is in this game. He comes across as overly stern and angry but by everything we've seen he's the single most responsible Olympian that we see in the game, especially compared to his brothers. He does the job because it needs to be done, even when it hurts.
Disney really screwed this guy over. While some versions of the myths make him out to be as bad as the other Olympians, a majority of them make him the most reasonable of them all. Any time someone wants to bring someone else back, Hades gives them a devil's deal. "Here is a test. If you succeed, you can have them back, if you fail, they are mine." This man won every time, with no tricks, double-crossing, or shenanigans. I would rather have him in charge of the Underworld, instead of Zeus.
Of the King and Queen of the underworld, one of them is given the title 'Dread', in Hesiod.
Only one of Hades and Persephone are refered to as 'The Despot.'
It's not Hades.
@@DracoSuave and despot only had a negative connotation after the greeks fell to the osman invaders
Even when Disney's Hercules came out, when I was in fifth or sixth grade, I was really into Greek mythology and I knew that despite being a death god, Hades wasn't that bad, just minded his own business and did his job most of the time.
But I'll play devil's advocate and say that James Woods's Hades is maybe the only version of an evil Hades I like. His sass, his humor, and his outbursts (seriously, his "YOU ARE WEARING HIS MERCHANDISE?!" scene is the funniest in the movie) are just too darn perfectly paired up with James's voice.
Like most other things in that movie, it's not very true to the source material, not the least of which is that even people who barely know the Hercules myths know that he was the son of a god and a HUMAN (and in the movie's case, they never said Zeus and Hera WEREN'T still siblings, hint hint). But that time, I enjoy the execution so much that I can forgive it.
Near as I know, Hades only ever horrifically ruined 2 people.
And they absolutely deserved it. Not just because Theseus and Pirithious kidnapped the 12 year old Helen of Troy and played to keep her around until she was old enough to marry Theseus, but because they also tried to kidnap Persephone from Hades to marry her to Pirithious.
Hades bound them to chairs with snakes and sicked a host of OTHER snakes and the Furies on them.
Does ANYONE blame him for this?
Not just Hades, they weren’t even trying to be accurate. They even used the Roman name for Heracles. But it’s cuz they weren’t even trying, that I don’t think it’s too bad. Disney Hades is an icon. None of the other gods in that movie are remembered as well and as fondly.
If anything, I’d say the Percy Jackson movie did him dirty as the OG story didn’t demonize Hades at all.
Zagreus, given a speech about how life will throw more responsibilities and burdens upon him as he grows until he has no power to make choices: “Can’t wait :D”
That’s just his customary defiant retort 😂😅😂
I like how in this conversation, Hades softens a bit as the conversation progresses. He's annoyed about getting asked to think about a choice he can no longer influence, but then offers some legitimate advice about how Zagreus is looking at the situation the wrong way around and needs to take advantage of the opportunities he still has while he can. It's not coercion, not a demand for fealty. just an earnest plea for Zagreus to explore the options available to him before they are closed off by circumstances and responsibility.
In ways we can already see it, though they drew lots we can imagine Hades was actually somewhat happy with what he got.
Besides, the underworld has its perks. It’s dark, quiet, and no one to bother him. There, everything can be exactly as he sets it. One or two changes, but nothing more than the usual crazy.
By logic of actual Greek myth as scary as it was for them, The Greeks admit that Hades probably had the best deal. As the Eldest of the God and the rightful heir to the throne Hades as lord of the Dead means that everyone ruled by his brother will eventually become his subject forever. At the end of everything Hades will rule all.
@@Broomer52 He also got all the richs under the Earth, so he had far easier acess to Valuable Minerals (Gold, Silver, etc) and Gemstones.
So compared to his brothers, hes the richests of the Gods on top of getting all the followers sooner or later.
Meanwhile Poseidon flexes his muscles as and tangles all the sea’s most ferocious monsters.
And Zeus is up too getting drunk and having to deal with Hera yanking his beard. Not in a good way too.
@@peterwhite6415 He was indeed referred as "The rich" or "The one who receives lots of gifts", but as a reference to souls, not gemstones. Even its Latin name, "Pluto" means "rich"
@@Broomer52 I love your analysis
What really gets me is how truthful the characters are, it’s all fantastical myth and legends but it’s all so absolutely human in their interaction
Hades on the outside : -_-
Hades on the inside : :"(
It's nice that you can still talk to Hades about random things knowing that he whooped your ass HARD.
Quite the pragmatist. Still I sympathize, I don't like not having a choice either
This exchange, as well as some parts of the character Hades, could be an homage to “Poseidon” , a short story written in 1920 by Franz Kafka. In it , the sea god is seen stuck at a desk filing paperwork on the ammount of waters he has to manage, lamenting the mind numbing job he sees no escape from and the erroneous perception that people have of him. Maybe it’s just coincidence, but Hades here stating that “each realm has its host of unenviable problems “ seems to allude to this
It's kinda funny that Hades is so dismissive of the sea, given that in Mycanean myth, Poseidon was the original underworld god and more of a god of earthquakes. (While not verifiable, I'm fond of the idea that "Hades," or a word much like it, was some kind of epithet for Poseidon to express his underworld connection, and eventually got carved off into a separate deity.)
I'm also intrigued by the fact that, in the myths, people go to the underworld after death specifically because Hades was the firstborn son of Cronus, so existence is supposed to be his by birthright- Zeus and Poseidon basically just get to borrow his inheritance for a little while, and he eventually claims what's his. So, if the lots had been drawn differently, everyone would have instead either ascended to Olympus or into the sea on death, while the Olympians would either rule from the underworld or seabed, and Poseidon would either keep his old earthshaker position and rule over the underworld or would be a sky god ruling the clouds and birds. (Writers should be adapting these AUs YESTERDAY. XD)
There's also a version where Zeus is the lord of the underworld, or rather hades is referred to as "Zeus of the Underworld", and it's highly relevant to the main character of Hades 2, so they clearly know the material they're playing around with and how none of it is internally consistent.
I could see burial rites and sailing prayers being a lot different if the realm of the dead was the sea instead of the underworld.
Myceanean Poseidon wasn't really a underworld deity. He was initially part of trinity that governed the earth as he and Hades were once one figure as a earthquake diety. Persephone is the og Underworld boss, that her cult managed to keep her name secret. Myceanean Persephone and Demeter were sisters and the precursor Poseidon/Hades combination was the brother/husband to them. Records are sparse because... well earthquakes and time
@@megasuperiordude wasn’t that more about how it was taboo to say hades name so they would come up with other ways to reference him?
That's so interesting! So in other words, Hades would have ended up ruling over the dead, no matter what, then?
Honestly, I feel like even if Hades *did* have a choice he would still choose the Underworld just because he would know that he's the only one that would actually handle it responsibly
I mean, would you trust Zeus or Poseidon to look after all mortal souls in the afterlife with zero prejudice or bias?
He even says himself, he doesn't necessarily hate the underworld, just that he wasn't given a choice in the matter of ruling it.
When you think about it, where ever Hades ended up would have been the realm of the Dead, as all creation and all living things are technically his by birthright. So he would always have ended up the God of the Dead, just under different circumstances.
Zag: "Hey father, I have a question."
Hades: "Well I'm not going to answer it boy, it's either a stupid and meaningless question, or one's which answer you are not allowed to know"
Zag: "Great, thanks Father."
Hades makes a very sensible point here.
And I like that his tone isn’t as aggressive as it usually is; he’s just telling Zagreus like it is.
This and Percy Jackson have the most accurate depictions of Hades in years, and all they had to do was make him a guy that just seriously hates his job :p
And whether it be Zagrius or Nico, we Stan the sons of Hades.
wish there could be a Hades-Percy Jackson crossover
Except that I do kinda has a suspension of disbelief on how did Percy managed to pin down Hades in last Olympian
@@weaboo101 Mortals have beaten up gods in myths before, let alone demigods. In the Iliad Diomedes, who is a very very far descendant of a demigod, stabbed aphrodite through the arm and then threw a spear through Ares stomach, causing both to flee.
@@Jeremy-gy7me yeah, but we are kinda talking about Hades here, who is basically on his domain, or turf which he should be more powerful, even if you explain Percy using the river and his blessing to get him
This is just the immortal all powerful being version of not being invited to a party you had no intention of going to
This feels like when you ask your Mom/Dad about something and then they make unnecessary Lecture about that Something.
This is one of many aspects of why Hades is an amazing game and well deserves its recognition. The dialog between the characters makes it feel so real that they have actual bonds and connections with. Greek mythology is always a win in my books, and this game adopts it very well. Looking forward to Hades 2.
Honestly, given the choice, Hades would probably have chosen rulings the afterlife purely to spare immoral souls from being stuck with his irresponsible brothers.
I never understood why people write Hades as being a bad guy
I'm not that big on Greek mythology, but he seems the most reasonable of the three
It's only because of the association with death and especially the christian devil. In most stories he can actually be quite reasonable
Oh its pure Christian ideology. He's a god of death and lives in the underworld, so at face value he's a perfect satan analogue. People are already primed to hate him, so its easier for writers to lean into that when determining villains among the gods while making Zeus the kind godly figure(looking at you Disney). Thankfully this isn't as common now as it used to be.
@@seasnaill2589 It's not exactly just Christian ideology. Most of it is now, but there's some evidence of the god of death basically being referred to as "the one who shall not be named lest you bring their attention to you." By the time Hades had been solidifed as Underworld god, that was all gone though from what I know.
He was still a terrible, emotional abusive father. he only starts trying after his wife returns and yells at him.
@@alderstifen7738 Hades isn't the god of death, that's Thanatos. He's god of the dead.
This is my favorite depiction of Hades in pop culture. He's the most accurate to the mythology. Hades isn't a greek version of the devil and not some villain plotting to overthrow Zeus. Hades is actually relatively chill compared to his brothers. He takes his job seriously and doesn't try to interfere with the lives of mortals like Zeus or Posiedon.
Man, I would love to see Kratos from Ragnarok slip into the Hades timeline. I can see Ragnarok Kratos recognizing Hades and Hades might recognize whatever fraction of GoW Hades' soul in Kratos. It's a tense stare down before Zagreus breaks it up by asking who the visitor is. Kratos realizes that this must be an alternate timeline and he hesitantly sheathes his Blades and announces he is lost. Hades, understanding Kratos does not seek bloodshed, lowers his guard in reluctance. Then they eventually have this gruff from one father to another kind of talk. Kratos meets Persephone, realizes how different these versions are from the ones he knows. In the end, Hades and Kratos gruffs at each other in unspoken understanding as Charon helps shepherd Kratos back to his timeline.
Kratos falls through the warp rift in Valhalla and ends up in the Hades timeline.
Hades isnt very good at being a father figure, but he's a really wise dude
Hes seen and heard countless souls. Seen love and loss. Heroes and villains. Tricksters and geinuses. Gods and titans. All fall into his realm at some point. He may not be the god of wisdom. But hes leatned much during his time. Making sure the dead stay dead and they go where they belong
"I hate not having a choice"
My good sir, you robbed your son of so many choices as he grew up.
Umm, did you play the game? Hades never once stops Zagreus from venturing out, although it is within his power to completely lock him down. And that's to say nothing the super spoilers reasons that Zagreus can't truly leave, which have little to do with Hades' will.
I think that might have been part of the tension between them. He tried to force Zagreus into that adminstrative job, and rather than doing it begrudgingly, he walked out on it.
Whenever Hades tried to force something on Zagreus, Zagreus resisted, something Hades didn't do. He had to wait until Zagreus willingly took on those responsibilities, and found his own way
@@The0rangeCow Didn't say he kept him from venturing out. I said he robbed him of choices.
@@The0rangeCow no way,that son of a bitch stopped me from getting out so many times just to act like "he didn't force anything onto zagreus" I had to fucking learn how to git gud to beat him lol
@@ladyofrillwaterKeeping him from venturing out and robbing him of choice are the same thing. Hell, he didn’t even try to force him into an administration job even though, as a god, he absolutely had the power to do so. Once Zag decided he wasn’t going to do it, Hades accepted it and moved on, even when it annoyed and disappointed him.
Zag had plenty of choice growing up. He just chose not to truly apply himself to anything until the start of the game. Because learning to grow up is his character arc. Just like learning to loosen up is Hades’s arc.
Wonder if Zagreus will be taking on those responsibilities Hades mentioned in the sequel.
The summary of mine of what Hades said is "I don't hate being here, I hate that I was never given a choice in what I want"
Considering Hades' character i can clearly imagine him picking Underworld as his domain, but the fact that the choice wasn't his and he now can't leave to visit Overworld, i can see the resentment towards his family on Olimp.
I always thought that he never drew, and instead seeing the ginormous amount of dead and knowing that his brothers would bicker over whoever got the underworld, willingly chose the underworld so as to make sure that was sorted out as soon as possible.
No, theologically speaking the dead are given to Hades because the whole world is his birthright. He's just let his brothers borrow them for a bit.
The underworld being a corporate, paperwork-riddled place with long queues is really fitting
I wonder if Hades, either this one or the one from actual mythology, was just as dark and broody before he got stuck with the underworld, or it was that realm that soured him to the point he is now. Maybe his personality was different before.
or is it the other way around, the underworld is dark and broody because of Hades?
Posideon and Zeus are wild and chaotic, and can be anything from a calm breeze to violent storms
Maybe hades is affecting the underworld as the underword affects him
"Thanks for the existential dread, Father!"
Hades final line just describes what being an adult is like
Look at Hades being a pretty good Dad here. Even giving Zag some fatherly advice.
I like this little back and forth because it’s one of the only times Hades doesn’t get ticked off at Zagreus, it makes it feel like he actually understands why Zag would even ask that question, and takes it as a genuine opportunity to impart some wisdom to his son, rather than snapping back at him for daring to ask such questions.
Zagreus is just Hades when he was younger
I always thought Hades was just playing the long game because though there is a delay, he's going to rule everything because everyone dies at some point.
He's right. Hypotheticals just make you sad and serve no purpose.
Hades is so relatable
My take on the 3 Realms Distribution is:
Zeus got fucking ripped off.
Hades rules the Underworld where almost ALL souls go to after death.
Poseidon rules the Oceans and Seas, literally almost 75% of the entire world's habitable areas(including all life).
Zeus rules the Sky and the Heavens, and while that sounds really great and domineering, there's fuck all in the Sky. Even birds don't stay in the sky and live on the Earth.
Zeus, as the God King, literally owns the most useless Realm in all of Greek Mythology, with barely any life to govern, and that probably gives him more reasons to just go around the Mortal Realm and seduce everyone.
Bro this comments section is all hades love, and I’m here for it hell yea ghost dad ftw
The lessons about fatherhood and growing up in this game are surprising and well-written. Part of why I love it so much.
Ooh, that part about time bringing responsabilities gradually until they bind you sounds interesting, considering a game trailer that came out recently.
I just want to point out I have 171 runs and I have not heard this conversation. Jesus christ Supergiant put SO many interactions into this game and it is amazing.
"As you grow long in years, you gain more burdens and responsibilities, until they bind you."
-Hades
That cuts deep, now that I'm about 4 years into the "adult life" and working my ass off for a house...
I need to start playing this again. I enjoy the little snippets of lore every time you return home.
I was talking to my father how I did a little chivalry here and there, walking one of my friends home since it was rainy and she didn't bring an umbrella and how despite the aching foot underneath, I just relied solely on the remaining persevearance I had left, my dad told me how it's good to have such things(persevearance) as like Hades said the older you are the more responssibility I would have to handle, and how different it is compared to being a child and to enjoy the things like spare freedom I have left rather than lament of the simpler times.
Damn, dad. Spittin truth, ya are.
Kinda wish Zag had responded along the lines of "I see... I'll remember that, father" instead of the usual flippancy, but still cool!
the funny thing is that hades has chosen the underworld, he is the first born of cronos and creation is his birthright, he is the one to propose a random way of picking
You know, that's probably the most civil Hades and Zagreus have been to one another.
As someone who grew with a serious and tedious father, I felt that not getting a proper answer in any hypothetical question on a personal level.
Probably one of the wisest things Hades says in this game
“Can’t wait!” 💀
Idk why but that got me good
This resonates with me as a father and family earner.
Hades gave some pretty good advice. I kind of found it to be relatable to my life right now.
My family has been relying upon me for a lot more than before. Sure I always had tasks to be responsible for but in the past few years it feels like they've grown to rely on me more and more. I dont mind helping necessarily but it has been quite stressful having so much placed on my shoulders, especially if it means being counted on to be one of the responsible ones in unpleasant situations. Growing older isnt so bad but responsibility is tough to handle. Here's to hoping we all get to enjoy whatever free time we are blessed with.
"Can't wait!" The usual kid reaction
Really, it’s because Hades is a dig person. If he’d been stuck with the sea he would have had to settle for a catfish.
He's just tired.of having to work all the damn time. So his son is a rebel and wants out! So what! Hell, die enough and eventually he just lets you leave at the end because he's just. So tired.
Hades needs a vacation. I hear Venice is nice when it's not on fire.
I honestly understand Hades.
I'm currently in one of those situations where you are still stuck living with parents as housing is very expensive here and they chose to change houses.
Nothing was asked to me, nor my opinion on the matter or if we should have waited.
A lot of things happened but at the core of it... I hated not having any choice.
Freedom of choosing, that is more important than you think.
Hades destroying me with facts and logic.
As someone who's approaching his 30s, god, do I not relate to Father Hades here
That last part is too real and relatable.
That hit me like a bunch of bricks.
Oh man that’s some real good advice
Hades is probably the only Greek god I can actually respect. He got the short stick but at least he tries to be the best warden of the dead he can. Also unlike his brothers he seemed to me to be a good man (more or less).
Eventually. We all serve hades.
"Can't wait!"
lmao
As the firstborn son of Kronos the world was Hades' by birthright
"Can't wait!"
com8ng back to hades after gow ragnarock makes me wonder if we gamers dont have an unhealthy obsession with grumpy father figures
HADES AND ZAGREUS= KRATOS AND ATREUS
Sounds like he didn't want to have the responsibility in the first place, regardless if he could've been the one up top or in the seas
Holy heck, these writers over at Supergiant KNOW their work, don't they??
“...until they bind you.”
100% enthusiastic bottom energy Zagreus: “Can’t wait.”
THERE ARE OVER 7 REALMS IN THIS GAME
He sound like my mum.
"Oh you have it great as a kid, just have to worry about school. Wait till you grow up, then your life will be fucked over with responsibilities."
Way to go mum, great mindset... Thanks for teaching that to me with only solution being "just deal with it, lol".
Glad I found my own path rather than that misery.
Don't mind Hades here, saying he doe snot deal in hypotheticals then dealing in hypotheticals.
In the version of the myth i know, Hades did actually chose first, and picked the underworld among the 3 realms. The real loser among the 3 was poseidon who picked last and had to take the sea despite hating it. They say it is why, out of spite, he made the ocean such a stormy and dangerous place. It's funny how scared ancient greeks were of the sea and how it translates in their mythology
Some stories say that he purposely fixed it so he would get the underworld.
I always wondered about it. Some said that Zeus cheated when drawing lots, same as Odysseus cheated when drawing lots in cyclop’s cave but they never said how they cheated.
How does one cheat when drawing lots? I have no idea, anyone has a suggestion?
You keep the lot you would have chosen in your hand before choosing the lot.
You then make sure you take a lot and replace it with the lot you already have.
@@feranard the hell? How does nobody notices that?
Clever as hell tho. May try sometime in the future.
@@feranard still doesn’t really explain how Odysseus cheated in the cave when chosing who among his men were going to blind the cyclop but it sounds good.
hades is one of richest god. because there's lot of gems on underworld. hades is very generous too
As an Adult, I felt that.
Interesting perspective on immortality and never aging (remaining strong): the longer you live the more responsibilities you have, so as an immortal they keep on piling and piling
Cool thing about Hades 2: Melinoe, Zag's sister, actually met the sea, the olympus and the underworld! Tho she have not a line of that type yet....
"I hate not having any choice!"
"Sure, so what _would have been your choice?"_
"Bah! I have no time for this!"
This is the most teenage/adult convo in the game lol
i don't remember where i heard it, maybe this game maybe somewhere else, but i remember someone asked hades a similar question and his reponse boiled down to "all 3 realms have their pros and cons and, while the underworld is arguably the worst, the underworld is also the hardest to rule and neither zeus nor poseidon would have a chance of running it properly, only hades can rule the underworld