Ex-2x2 Architect Lays Out Living Witness Doctrine
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- *Just because the root of Dean Bruer's actions are discussed, explained, and better understood in this video, in no way are they justified.*
Both David and Chester, grew up in a legalistic group started in 1897 that denies the deity of Christ and strives in vain towards a work based salvation. They claim no name, but are known as Meetings, The Truth, Friends & Workers, 2x2s, The Fellowship, The Way, etc. They claim to be a continuation of the 1st century church and the "ministers" or workers, are homeless and go in pairs. However, they stay in members homes known as the Friends. In '23 & '24 a lot of CSA and SA has been revealed in the leadership and members, so many of the Friends are leaving the group. You can find out more about them here: en.wikipedia.o...
Notes from Chester about the Living Witness Doctrine.
The origin/source of spiritual life/salvation
The Living Witness Doctrine (LWD) is the belief that spiritual life can only be transferred person-to-person through a living witness.
Two by Twos believe the workers are the only living witnesses through whom spiritual life may be imparted. That they are the exclusive source of spiritual life/salvation. That their church is God’s Only Right/True Way.
Life begets life.
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This is An amazing chart , wow ! . I am still trying to understand what happened to me the last 20 years . I left in fall 2023. Thank you to both of these men ,for all the time you put into this recording ❤. This church sure hurt alot of innocent people who were just wanting “fellowship”in Christ.
This conversation brought me to tears . This is deep ! 😢I love what he said about freeing the prisoner and setting each other free . I feel this is the only way to fix what is broken in this church.
Very well done. It was great to see the facts and fitting all the madness together. Sad to think that power and control is not likely to be given up. But I can only control my life and freedom has been sweet. 25 years free from it now.
This man is speaking absolute truth. I started my journey of uncovering the false doctrine in 2013. It was a very difficult ride but I am at the same place as this guy. It is clear to see once you step back from the system. There is an old Chinese proverb which says "Don't ask the fish about the ocean, they live in it but don't really observe it."
It amazes me that I have never met this man but yet our thoughts and revelations are the same. God is definitely in control and his Holy Spirit is working.
The only thing I would add to his chart is a big red X over the LWD or the danger symbol. I feel so emotional now , I have been telling people the same stuff for years. Sometimes you have to show people so I will be sharing this video. If people can't see it after this what more can I do?
God is in charge! Too many are attached to "a way" instead of "THE WAY" which is in Christ Jesus. Thank you David!
Very well thought out and analyzed. Another thing someone mentioned in one of David’s videos was if something is exposed that undermines “the system” then it has to be hid so “the system” looks perfect, because so much faith is in “the system” for salvation instead of Jesus Christ. When the gentleman said “Nobody appreciates freedom more than a prisoner who has been set free”. That hit me. It is how I feel. Praise the Lord. I have a pretty good idea who helped create the book the LWD came from…the devil.
Great presentation!! Never heard of the term LWD until now. As a former member of this cult for over 30 years living in Alaska, I finally realized that when two of our senior workers were removed for preaching "false" doctrine in the early 1990s; the accusers were correct. The "false" doctrine was not the LWD they were being mandated to preach. The two senior workers were simply preaching the true doctrine of Christ and they considered themselves true servants, emphasizing our need to establish a genuine relationship with Jesus, and not the workers. I'm thankful for what and how God opens up our vision and understanding of Him through experiences such that His Holy Spirit can dwell within us and be a true Comforter. I learned a lot from many in this cult and am thankful for it, but the time came when I realized the Holy Spirit did not have free course among the members and workers anymore, I felt bound and wanted to be liberated. Thanks be to God that He removed me from it when He did. I am now enjoying a true relationship directly with Jesus, the Son of the Living God.
Jesus lead & guided me into all truth over 40years ago. It was a light bulb moment for me. The opening of my eyes to know that Jesus is the way, the truth & the life, & that He is much bigger than the box that the workers had put Him in. We are saved by grace through faith. That nothing we can do of ourselves to get to heaven, but the victory was done on the cross.. "it is finished", Jesus had completed everything. Wonderful amazing God we love & worship ✝️❤
Thank you for sharing this! I am 53 now and was B&R in this doctrine. I left in March of 2023. It has been difficult dealing with the fear and guilt messages that were instilled in me from birth. However, now that I am 14 months into this new experience, I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. This video was very helpful.
Excellent! Thank you for presenting the facts accurately, in their proper place, with Christ at the top!
Very True. I would like to hear more…especially about the 7 layers and that chart. You cannot be saved unless you acknowledge Christ alone. For a as many as received him, to THEM gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.
Thanks, Ches, for your outstanding presentation in comparing the truth of Scripture with the workers' message of exclusivity of "The Truth" with their hidden immorality and Biblical confusion.
They hold themselves up as the ONLY TRUE MINISTRY because their church has no name and they have no homes. Having no name, no church buildings and no homes, they have been free to go anywhere in the world with anonymity. You did a great service for people who aren't readers of the several books published around the world on this threat to human souls.
The lack of Biblical understanding begins with their total misunderstanding of the Triune nature of Who God is, as well as their misunderstanding of what the Church is. I wonder how many children, teens or adults who were workers' sexual victims later became "workers" themselves. I don't think all the workers are predators. Not all the members of this group have been sexually victimized or condone it. The fact that so many members have left the group since learning about these scandals, and learning more about Scripture, has set them free of the Mind Control posed by the workers' messages.
I pray that these parasitical Pharisees will find themselves without homes to stay in or places to gather for their mind control meetings and conventions.
Mmmmmmmm....Thanks 4wrod
I really appreciate this video! Especially the part where the Father loves his children asking questions, because he loves imparting his wisdom! So simple, yet so profound. Also, the joy a prisoner has when freed from prison. Beautiful!
I also might add that, at least according to Cheri’s book, William Irvine got his “thresher” verse in Isaiah by randomly opening his Bible & pointing to a verse. Quite a thing to base leaving his job over 😅
Yes - that's right. Irvine was emulating a writer he thought a lot of (Madam Guyon) and that was what she did.
It is a very male-dominated and elder-dominated religion and they tend to use it to cover up and gaslight and retaliate when victims report in my experience.
An absolute, "needs to be heard by all" video!! Said "Amen" many times while listening!
PART 2 PLEASE ❤
I think there are up to 8 layers of hierarchy, not 7. In terms of increasing authority it would be:
1. Friends (lay people, i.e. rank and file, professing folk)
2. Elders of meetings
3. Junior sister worker
4. Senior sister worker
5. Junior brother worker
6. Senior brother worker
7. Overseer level 1 (e.g. head worker of a state, Western Australia, or Texas)
8. Big Kahoona Overseer (head worker of a region, e.g. Australia, or Eastern Seaboard of USA)
This is precisely what hooked me back in 1999. I remember after that gospel meeting thinking, "Now I have the power." William Peterson was the preacher and overseer of Kansas at that time.
I am interested in what he said about the 7 layers (levels) of the Catholic Church , that it is the same as the 2x2. ( he said the reasons are all the same ) I would love a video on that one day .
Me to!!
Great video. Thankful for my own freedom trail.
Amazing !! Thank you for this video gentlemen!! Is it possible that a copy of the white board could be posted for personal reasons only .... just want to reread it again and again ... to let it sink in ....
Thank you!
I’ll second that! I’m a visual learner so having a picture of that white board to study would be awesome 🥳
It's a good start. Be curious and question everything. In fact question ALL of religion period.
This is fantastic!!!! Thank you for sharing this!
I was reading an article today and it mentioned an idea behind the Mafia criminal world and how they achieve loyalty.
I am paraphrasing: Everyone has collective responsibility and complicity in the crime and therefore their loyalty to the organisation is guaranteed.
This is what I believe kept the abuse secret for so long on the part of many workers.
Many who got promoted to top positions had skeletons so their loyalty to the "work" and protecting of perps were guaranteed. It is the only way it could have carried on for this long.
Collective responsibility and complicity in crimes = loyalty😢
Beyond ! 🎉 I needed this today.... so good David 360°
I agree with and understand what your saying and think your
Exactly right we need to do better. God has always as
Asked for sacrifice down through the Ages. Show us another church or way that is closer to this way or the teachings of Christ
The fact that they’re wrong on many of these rules and regulations they have instituted are not scripture. For instance
Not allowing members not to take part in the meetings is the
Same as condemning them. Not
A man on earth was given the
Right to condemn another to hell. I think that the majority of
The workers are genuine the authoritarian’s need to repent!
Something to think about today.
Matthew 9:13 Jesus said; quoting Hosea- "Go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.” - He brings this up a few times.
Thank you,,all I can say that is very good, put it all in persctive
Any talented graphics people able to recreate this chart and share it?
What a brilliant observation! This guy is RIGHT ON.
Interesting note about the living witness doctrine being like a franchise. Chester points out that it like saying "I am anointed, and you don't even have to say it". This is so powerful because current overseers are actually saying that Ray Hoffman and Barry Barkly are ANOINTED by God.
Hi David,
At the beginning you mentioned the FBI beginning an investigation in May of 2023 - I think that was 2024 or am I thinking of a different event with the FBI?
BTW - Appreciated the video as always
I was informed that the investigation started in '23 and was made public in '24.
I have heard that too from a super reliable source
Homesteading with the Zimmermans on CZcams would like to be interviewed. She asked for anyone knew of someone who interviewed ex Mennonite.
All laid out very clearly..... Thank you..
This applies to Chad and Lori Daybell also.
I think everyone who is seriously interested in building a life on "truth" should be willing to investigate the "corner stone" of that "truth". If that "truth" is based on "superstition" .. then what does that say about everything growing out of it? The definition of "Superstition" is "an unreasonable belief". Lots of people live a life of faith .. but "faith" in lies will catch up to you .. leaving you with wasted time, energy, finances, etc. Even if you are late to the realization .. it's better than not at all. Some people put their "faith" in a cross on a chain around their neck .. or displayed on the wall of their home .. thinking that that cross is going to keep evil spirits away from them. Some others believe that by blessing the wine and wafer of communion .. that it causes the wine and wafer to become the "literal" flesh and blood of Jesus! To those people believing those things is what "faith" is made of. How about Santa on a sled full of toys pulled by flying reindeer .. imagine growing up and at 50 years old still believing that! Yet how many will believe without question .. that someone LITERALLY walked on water, changed it into wine .. or fed 5,000 people with a child's lunch and still took up 12 baskets of leftovers. Stories are used to control people .. that's what "news stories" are all about. The Flavian Caesars of Rome invented the story of Jesus as a way to control the Jewish zealots who did not like being under the rule of Rome. It's still an effective story today!
Spot on. If people were truly seeking truth then they would not follow mythology.
@@aorakimtcookone Thanks for adding your acknowledgment. BTW .. "law" comes from "lore" .. an oral teaching. We might say, "It's raining cats and dogs" .. but literally it's just a hard rain. "Casting a spell" .. is the telling of tales!
I don't know if we have enough evidence to say who actually invented the Jesus story or why, but it's pretty clear that it was made up by someone(s), somewhere, at some point in time, for some reasons that will most likely remain forever unknown to us. I've heard this hypothesis you've presented before, and I think there's a book about it? While it's a possibility, we still can't really say for sure.
The oldest scraps of the NT date to about 150 years after Jesus supposedly lived. And there's no complete NT showing up in the record until the mid-4th century. So there was a long time in there we have no idea what happened. There's just nothing to go on.
I think what we can confidently say is that the gospels are fictional stories, and that there is very little chance there was ever a real person behind the stories. Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus" knocks that one out of the park.
@@riverswoodshed .. Thanks for your thoughtful and honest words. For many years I have had a nagging question in the back of my mind .. "Why do the enlightened/educated Jewish people .. as a nation doctrinally reject the Jesus/Y'shua story?" It would seem that there has to be a very good fact-based reason. My father posed as Jesus for the artist, Harry Anderson in the 1948-49 time frame. I was born in 1950 .. so as the oldest child the stories and evidences of my father's experiences were often seen in books and SDA church literature. After my parent's death .. I was afforded the luxury of questions .. and so "Superstition" as "an unreasonable belief" became better understood. I have a very good friend who retired from the Navy and went back to Boston, MA to live and enjoyed attending Boston Hebrew University .. and while there listened as one of his teachers elaborated on the role of the Flavian Caesars in forming the Jesus story. It might be speculation of one man .. however, the work of Joseph Atwill's work in his book, "Caesar's Messiah" .. provides a second witness to the subject. Maybe in the Vatican Library we might find more questions than answers .. but Judaism's arguments showing a major contrast in the New Testament vs Old Testament teachings can't be ignored. As a Nation .. Judaism had a noble reason to reject the unclean pig as a sacred offering before their God .. as well as the drinking of blood or eating of flesh .. expressed in the transubstantiation doctrine .. for example.
I'm not an Atheist or Agnostic .. however, I do NOT perceive "God" in the way most people do. There is a reason for "Life Energy" .. as seen in the "Book of Nature" .. there are many things we can do .. but we can't fashion a piece of clay into a creature and give it life. An old oak tree begins it life as a seed .. but which came first the seed or the tree .. after many years the tree dies .. someone comes along with a chainsaw and cuts it down .. some of it becomes a chair .. and some is put into a fire and from that fire is Energy .. which is never destroyed .. only dispersed.
Thank you for the reference to Richard Carrier .. I am watching one of his videos now. Here is a video from Joseph Atwill. czcams.com/video/zmEScIUcvz0/video.html
@@MerwinARTist ///but we can't fashion a piece of clay into a creature and give it life.///
Okay... but so what? What does this have to do with not being an atheist?
"Atheist" just means I believe in one less god than theists. And there are many reasons why I am this way... but none of them have anything to do with making clay into animals.
This is absolutely great - thanks for sharing!!
Wow! So well described! Facts!
Amen!!
Excellent teaching. Ty.
Love this so much ❤️
Thank you for sharing this information and presentation. Spot on!
What are the 7 layers of the "truth"?! Can we have another video with this brilliant man?
David..... you went to meeting in Minnesota??
Yep!
@@davidalink did you know any of the Steinbrechers or the Murrays(Minn/StPaul)
Excellent video!
Looks like an Amway pitch! 😀
But seriously. Chester is a nice guy. He was in my Sunday AM meetings when I was a kid. He's a persuasive speaker and he likes to preach.
It's just that... wow, that bit at the end, about being freed from slavery... y'all ain't there yet. You're still in a mental prison, locked into a world view that was made up by humans centuries ago when there were no microscopes, no telescopes, and almost no one was literate or could count past 10 with their shoes on.
Getting out of 2x2s is only the *first step* to freedom. Only when you realize that all religion is a lie can you begin to build your life into something real.
It was well explained. Thanks
Worker worship has never been good for them nor us.
Feeds into what is shown in this chart.
Thanks for putting the time of study into this presentation.
The old power and money....
Give a man power , find out what he is really like... about.
Where it all went wrong!!! 2 huge ingredients that have no place with Jesus: Power and Money. Overseers are human and weak!!! Destroyed by these two ingredients.
Excellent excellent!!
Does anyone know what happened to Jonathan from breaking the truth?
"The Hidden Truth"? I was wondering the same thing. Hope all is well for him.
I had heard that he was threatened by defamation lawsuits by the workers.