BMW E9x Virginise Cluster & 335is Gauge Dials Retrofit
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- BMW E9x Virginise Cluster & 335is Gauge Dials Retrofit
In this video i attempt to virginse a spare cluster and the change the dial faces to the 335is style. The tricky part ended up being getting the speedo to line up with the new marking, but go there in the end.
335is KMH Dials Purchased here: ebay.us/Xduol1
Software used to calibrate the speedo was called Perfekt Toolbox
R270 Programmer (these are very hit and miss with how they work) - ebay.us/32gD31 I had to remove a yellow resistor from the sub board to get it to read.
SOP* Connector to make it a solderless process - ebay.us/MDfocw
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Great video, I love that everything isn’t all rosey and you show the issues you face along the way 👍keep up the good work chaps
I did a upgrade on cluster and it was the best thing I did. You will love how they look once you change it. Makes it look more modern but still have the cool sport car feel
Love the programming stuff! Danke Schoen!
Well done dude, lots of hard work, researching, reading etc, glad you're pleased with the finished product 👍🏻
This was ultra helpful. Was able to get a 135i cluster in my 128i. Worked a treat.
Inspired again! I built another 335i cluster with the RPM rolling warning zone feature then lost my nerve fitting it. I now know exactly what to fettle to install it with out fragging anything expensive! Great content as usual 👍🏻
Yeah man, definitely give it a crack. Once you can Virginise a cluster you can always pick up a second hand cluster cheap.
Great job bro! Greatings from Greece! In my case i was lucky enough to buy from ebay Canada a used OEM 335is cluster (with km/h dials) and i straight away replaced the two faces without having to unglue anything! However the needle correction was a pain in the ass😂 totally worth it though... I just regret that i didnt go with the red needles (e46 M3 style) but i wont mess with the needles again! Keep up the good content!
Great job guys! Thanks for sharing! Regards Nico.
White LEDs for the Speedo and rev counter and blue for the screen makes a massive difference. Have it done on the e60 and it makes a big difference
Great job mate.. It looked quite involved in the software side.. but you got it all sorted out .. Hi5
Great video! very useful info
Nice Video, clean and very detailed. I was able to follow and got my instrument working fine now (Menu's are back and no DOT)....
Glad it helped
Nice man, I am suitably impressed.
Thanks man, getting my head around it all slowly. Will be actually able to help out next time you flood your DME haha
@@ZeroTo60Tube well, it still hasn't been returned as yet. Was slated to be delivered back to me today but we are heading down to State of Origin..... Damn it!
You are making massive inroads my man, well done.
Awesome job man.. I imagine this opens the door to the new trans swap.. nothing more scary and frustrating trying to code and write modules.. will be good to see it all come together with the new trans and everything else you may be planning 😊🤘
Well today is the day i am gonna try and get the later model ECU working in my car. That will be the true door opening.
@@ZeroTo60Tube ahhh nice thats gonna be mint man 😊
Brilliant video, very interesting!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Try to find anyone who can figure out how to reseat valves and reset a cluster, great work!
I'll take that haha.
You can use INPA to manipulate values on the cluster to help you line up the dials. It’s the easy way to do it
Do you have a link or information on how to do that?
Nice job brother greetings from Greece
Samethink else the programmer that you use for the cluster is the same with the link that you provide ?
And i forgot to tell you that is one company in Europe that they can made better quality face clusters like oem
Love the video you should use OBS studio to screen capture the PC
Hey some luck after the other day 🤙
I love your videos and ordered a r270 a couple weeks ago to try do the same. Can you please show what you had to modify on the r270 to get working properly? Thanks
On this one, the trick was removing the yellow resistor on the sub board. But there are so many different versions of R270. Its worth reading now about what you may need to do so when yours arrived you know what you will be looking for. There are about 5 or 6 different resistors that may need to be removed or changed commonly, as well as a capacitor a lot of people say needs replacing.
Thank you for sharing! When you changed the VIN in the video, you changed 8 Hex values to FF and the VIN is 7. Is that correct? last digit after the 7 digit VIN was 3B which translates to a semicolon?
Nice one. I've been thinking about putting an E9x M3 cluster in my 135i. Interesting to see the process of virginising the mileage, etc.
The viginising is definitely not too bad once you get the programmer working. And if you arent running custom dial faces it would be a whole lot easier. Might try and get an M3 cluster in my car at some point. We'll see how we go.
Pretty sure the 1series has a bigger cluster unit/bay I’m almost certain you’d have fitment issues/gaps
@@Whiboi Well, I've seen several individuals do it on CZcams now, so I think it's possible. Apparently, a little shaving of the lower two corners on the E9x cluster and it goes in without too much trouble.
So if I have a newer style cluster and I want to put the older style that has the 120f to 300f oil temp readout do I need to read and save the data from the newer cluster that’s coming out and write it to the cluster going in? Edit never mind it seems like I need to Virginize the cluster and program with nsc expert
Chips generally have a dot/nub on them or the board to denote pin 1. Align your chip clamp (should also be marked) so you don't put it on backwards. Looks like you lucked out this time. I've zapped my fair share of chips aligning clamps backwards.
Well i thought that was the case but didnt really think about it too much. On my test cluster yesterday, probably tried 100 times to get the R270 to read and it finally worked with the clip in this orientation, so i just did that again on the this cluster. Good info regardless so thank you.
Three mentions of Parkinson’s today, hope you’re only joking 🤞
Yeah.. Dude do you actually have Parkinsons?
I don't, well i do think so, i just can't hold anything still and shake all the time...... Its only really a problem for fine work like soldering or holding full cups of coffee that arent in travel mugs haha.
How did your mate set you up with the default file mate
Great vids thanks. Wondering any idea how to program milage on the cas (m57 e70/e83)
There are a few tools that will do it. None are cheap. None are perfect. I use VVDI Bimtool and VVDI prof.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the reply. Just watched your other videos on it . Wondering did you need to solder the vvdi cas pins onto the cas or just slip the pins in ? Trying to find a way to program cas3 without soldering as my soldering skills suck
@@ZPDrift if you can get a fully set up with winkfp and the full BMW standard tools sweet you can recover a bricked cas. With out that you really should solder
Hello. I was watching your videos with the great interest. That's really good job. So, I want to ask few questions about the work and r270.
•is there a right direction to fix the test clip on the eeprom, or is it not matter?
•Which pins of the test clip's board you soldered on the r270's eeprom adapter board? Did you solder all of U2 pins on the both sides of the adapter board? Could you show us some more details for adding a test clip to r270?
•During deleting vin, I have seen that you've changed last 8 numbers of the hex line. However I had seen someone deleted the last 7 numbers only. Is it matter deleting the last 7 or 8 numbers of the line?
Thanks.
It’s been so long, but I think this video should cover all the questions czcams.com/video/VSjGOXzRUz4/video.html
As far as I know, the M3 cluster never fully works with the 335i. Don't get me wrong, it is just the shift light LEDs on the tach bezel that don't ever work despite coding because of the data available to the clusters pulled from the DMEs of the different engines. It would bug me to have those seven blank, non-functioning LED cutouts in there so want to give a heads up on that. The most useful workaround I found (through Bill at Clusters and Coding on fb) was to do some coding on the cluster and change the subdial face on the tach. Same place the cruise control setpoint marker is on the speedo side, that's what I'm talking about on the tach side. Bill installed a two color redline on mine, yellow before red and then programmed the cluster to use water temps to display a variable redline of sorts as visual reminder to take it easy as the car comes up to temp. When you first start the car, the redline is at 4k, then gradually recedes as the water temps rise. Also, if you do the white LEDs for backlighting I highly recommend researching the light output of the various SMD LEDs out there because mine were so bright, I had to find some static cling style window tint film and apply that to the clear plastic so it didn't scorch my retinas at night. There's a coding option to have the cluster backlighting on all the time and just did that on mine too. Can't tell this early in the morning here if you're kidding or not about the Parkinson's but dad's got it too if so. Yeah, you've mentioned it 3x now. Not kidding, then. -- Work looks good!
Firstly i should address my dark humour. I don't have parkinsons and probably shouldnt joke about it. But on the flip side i genuinely shake like do. Always have, its bloody annoying when trying to solder or even hold a cup of coffee. Anyway, you are spot on about the M3 clusters and shift lights. I did see one guy that used an aftermarket shift light circuit board and wired that in to the LEDs on the M3 cluster to get them working. Not sure if im that keen. I'll probably just get a manual M3 cluster and use that. In the mean time, i am more keen to get the LEDs in this one changed to white.
@@ZeroTo60Tube no worries and usually dark recognizes dark but it was SO dry and off the cuff it flew over my head. I accept responsibility in this situation. Don't want the domestication of a wild youtuber to occur on my account! If those sly, dry mentions went by the wayside the channel would lose a little character and begin to fade into the background. Words are just words and I'm a grownup... mostly.
@@bwhobackk You are a legend thats what you are! A legend with a sick guage cluster
Nice one guys!!! Headlights will be a breeze when you do them 🤮
Im still not sold on that haha
Good work. But coding you can also do with bimtool pro
Have you tried any coding yet Waldermar? I heard someone else also bricked modules trying to code.
"And the other important one in Aus, 200. That's for your 1-2s" Haha cheeky
👍👍
How can I change mileage of X3 2014
Youve given me hope! I'm a Gold Coast local, do you have any recommendations for someone who can help program my e9x 335? Been having DME issues as well and its giving me hell
Hi Blake, shoot me an email zeroto60tube@gmail.com, let me know what sort of programming you are trying to do or what you are trying to fix and i should know someone down your way.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thank you so much! I've shot you through an email, really appreciate the help 🙏🙏
hi andrew why don't you use an ID4 motion digital cluster?would it be easier and better for your transmission swap vehicle virals has a video on his channel about it he might be able to give you some insight on your transmission conversion problems cheers glenn
Im not sold on them yet. They are quite a lot of money for something that doesnt do anything more than an analogue cluster. If you could integrate boost gauges or some of the data we use for MHD JB4 gauges or even a sat nav in to the cluster it would justify its price. But as it sits, thats a lot of money for purely a cosmetic change.
Where you get this cable do conect de programmer direct to cluster? tks
This is the one i used. ebay.us/MDfocw You just need to solder the small board on to the R270
Hello, do you have the final values after correction on perfect toolbox program which you had on speedometer cluster ??
Can you post it ??
Any reason you can't write your VIN directly when erasing the mileage ? Seems like a hassle to go through INPA again.
To be honest i think you can. However by using NCS to flash the cluster it ensures the cluster is properly coded to the car fully. Otherwise you can encounter errors due to the new cluster looking for features in the car that are not there.
Hey man, not sure if you still read these comments, but wondering if you help another CZcamsr out: would you happen to know if there's a tool/program with which you can 'test-drive' a black panel cluster gauge? (for the facelift F-series BMW's)? I have a black panel cluster gauge for the BMW M2 LCI, all virginized, but the km/h reading is a bit off. Look forward to your reply, thanks in advance man!
Hey Man, yeah i still check on the comments...... still cant wait to bring the channel back after all the raid stuff is finished. However, unfortunately, i have not done anything with a F series, so i dont know where to suggest.
Okay, thanks for replying anyway and good luck with the channel!
Have a link for the tool and also the power supply looks like a server PSU but we're did you buy it?
Coming in tomorrows video, also wanted to show what i had to modify on the tool to get it to work. As for the PSU i my bro in law made that, might see what i can find out about it.
I can find any cluster dials , I'm from the UK any suggestions , looking really cool ain't it
to be honest i havent really searched for MPH ones and paid much attention. But i know the USA guys have a heap of options.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I'll keep searching, looking good anyway
I thought I read/heard that odometer was stored on the ecu not the cluster?
But maybe I’m getting confused.
The data is in the cas module and the cluster. The cluster feeds off the cas, so cluster will always update to whatever the cas module has stored. But the second you connect a cas to a cluster and the milage is different you will get a tamper dot, before the cluster adjusts up. Oh also if you put a cluster in that is higher than the cas module, it wont adjust down you will just get a tamper dot.
My 2008 335 e90 has the msd81. I thought it came out in 2009 335i ?
Sometime in 2008 they all switch to msd81. My car is a late 2007 build
Would this also work with BMW M/nonM E46 ?
It is a different process on the e46. One i havent done yet so cant comment just yet
Only thing missing is the baller M3 rings around the dials.
hmmmmmm
@@ZeroTo60Tube did I give you a great idea just now?
Does the oiltemp also work ?
Yes it functions fine, however the aftermarket dials have different spacing on the oil temp section which is a little annoying.
Our Canadian 335i’s Speedo goes to 280
ahhhhh, thats interesting, does the canadian version have the bunched up section between 240k and 280k?
@@ZeroTo60Tube nope it’s all evenly spaced to 280kph. I’ve never seen a cluster like that. My friends US spec car ends at 160mph/260kph and my Canadian spec car ends at 280kph
This is similar to m3 cluster coding
Basically the same to get the cluster working in the car. But you shouldnt need to recalibrate the speedo on the M3 cluster. Which is what caught me out today.
Why IS dials?
Because he'll have the IS DCT gearbox and it looks cooler. Will pretty much be a 335IS conversion once it's all done. 😎
It will be close 😉
As an IS owner, I can tell you that a lot of fellow 335i guys don’t realize all of the things that come in the package.
We get extra oil and trans coolers, as well as M-Sport brakes and suspension package. Also get the added aero bits, some badges, and M door sills.
Let’s not forget factory launch control, although this is basically useless out of the box with open diff, and 5k rpm launch setting.
@@MitchMatrixx yeah, but to be fair he already has oil cooler upgrade & suspension, LSD and Brake upgrades.
@@Saif0412
For sure. The IS is a glorified package tbh.
It’s a great car, but the factory suspension is practically abusive to the spine, and when combined with the run flats it came with, it was unbearable.
The exclusion of an LSD can be considered a criminal oversight on a car with such potential.
I think BMW didn’t want it to outshine the E92 M3.
Speelage 🤣🤣
Check your Instagram I sent you a video
Fiiiirst!
Well done glad to see someone else gets a kick out of the FIRST thing.......
@@PtcjNoble It’s a funny thing, in some way similar to taking a picture with one of your favorite race car drivers, pro athlete, or anyone your a fan of.
Maybe 30 years from now I’d show my kids the photo and it would be cool, or maybe my kid gets a N54 car from some yard in Australia, finds this content and sees I was “here”.
This is the only channel that I actually await new vids from, so in a way they have created a “space” where we share in their activities. Within that space, if it had walls, “first”ing would be like having a favorite seat or writing your name on the wall; it will be there till the lights go out.
I hadn’t considered it till you brought it up.
Now I’m probably first to give this type of explanation for the “first” thing, lol.