You already know the answer to that question. The DA will hold onto the case until the storm is over and then quietly announce on a Friday afternoon about 4:30 pm that their wasn't enough evidence to pursue charges.
I have been a Protective Services Officer for 12 years at Large level one trauma Hospital. I want to point out incidents like this happen more than you would think! First let me say I work on a very professional department.. that are well trained in our field. We all must be international association Hospital Security and Safety certified. We also have to be OPTA ( Ohio police training acdemy / private security) certified. We all are trained in CIT ( crisis intervention team) to deal with mental health patients. I'm a certified Taser international Instructor and all Officers must qualify annually on this device. We also are certified with Fire Arms, pepper spray ( foam), handcuffs and ASAP ( collaspable) baton. I must say that where we differ from conventional law enforcement is our training in the HIPPA laws ( Federal privacy laws for patients) At no time.. does local law enforcement agencies have authority to violate patient rights once they are in the care of a Hospital. The moment Det. Jeff Payne placed his hands on the RN who was defending the HIPPA laws.. Hospital Security should have stepped in and stopped the assault. Wearing a uniform and a badge does not give you the right to violate laws or the civil rights of the victim! I have been in several situations where I have had to stand Toe to Toe with local authorities and stop them from violating the HIPPA laws. I have been threatened with arrest by outside law enforcement agencies for doing so but in the end they become better informed on the Federal HIPPA laws. To watch your Security staff stand idlely by and even hold the door for the Suspect ( Det. Jeff Payne) shows me Two things. 1. That these Security Officers lack the training to be effective in a Hospital setting. 2. If they did know the HIPPA laws then they lacked the backbone to enforce them. The RN ( Alex) was assauted, illegally detained and traumatized by the actions of ego tripping Officer and the lack of security she received in her work place. I'm no lawyer but I don't see this turning out to be a good lesson for several individuals and enties!! Training is supposed to be pro-active not re-active .. when it's re-active it's to late!!
Bill makes a good point. The elephant in the room in this whole situation is that Alex released the police cam video after her dissatisfaction with the hospital police path forward from all of this, not because of her dissatisfaction with the SLCPD apology and path forward (tho' in her own words, it still isn't over and a law suit may very well be in the cards. Will she sue both the SLCPD and the UofU??). The UofU press conference should have allowed for questions and answers, the central question being why didn't the UofU police step in? Is there an unwritten norm/feeling in communities that hospital security/police step aside when the city (or state) police are present?
Bill think you that was good in interesting to read... I thought all along that the problem with the Hospital cops is that they didn't know how to react to the cops and figured there would be arrested with no support if they intervened. Now in this case it may have been difficult but probably would of resulted in the Chief of Police called. Yes most think HIPPA is nothing and why should they even bother. It is possible that a cop can be charged with a violation of HIPPA or attempted violation of HIPPA?
These police wonder why people do not trust the police. These two officers, Payne and Tracy and the ones that allowed this to happen need to be fired, arrested and stripe of their pensions period.
Amen...unfortunately Payne will probably be allowed to "retire" and collect his pension. He'll probably keep his job as an EMS even though he threated to only bring indigents to the hospital in the future.
As to why the officer wanted the blood sample in the first place: The patient in question was driving a semi that was hit head-on by a vehicle driving at very high speed, which crossed the center-line, while being pursued by the police. In most cities the police are not supposed to be endangering the public like that, but should find better ways to stop the vehicle. So, the police in this case could be held liable and could be sued by that injured truck driver. BUT, if the truck driver was somehow impaired and the police could prove it then he would have no case. If the police could get a blood sample, and they somehow contaminated it, then they could show the driver was DUI. All this to protect themselves. (At least this is just my theory as to maybe why they wanted the blood sample. I may be wrong, but if someone else has a better explanation...)
I didn't know initially that one of the police officers their was an University police.. Aren't they paid to protect the pataints and employees?? Is the thin blue line that strong that they would allow an outside agency to come in and arrest one of their friends and co workers unlawfully?? THAT SHOULD NEVER HAD HAPPENED.....😎💣
1. I want to know why the police officer wasn't arrested for kidnapping? 2. Policy was clearly in place already. 3. Why didn't hospital security protect the nurse? 4. Why didn't the security officer place the police officer under Citizens Arrest? 5. Why hasn't the police officer been fired? In short, this is the kind of police brutally crap that's sweeping the nation that upsets us citizens. I'm hoping the Supreme Court weighs in on this.
There were supposedly University of Utah police there...can't tell in the video and they stepped aside. You hear the idiot police officer talking about it on camera later. He talks about how it was good they stepped aside and let him make the arrest because he'd do the same if they were on his turf. So maybe the fatboy holding the door open couldn't do anything to stop it but U of U police could have stepped in and stopped it from happening.
I hope that the University Hospital is paying for Ms. Wubbels attorney and paying for all her expenses relating to the press conferences and news interviews she is doing including any lost wages. She is a credit to health care workers everywhere and she is a great ambassador for your hospital. It may be painful for some of the things that came to light (complete lack of security) but in the end your hospital will be a better place for the employees and the patients.
A red flag was when Margaret Pierce the Chief Nursing officer stated that the nurses will be "out of the loop" in terms of the law. If the nurses don't know the policy it will give the authorities even more opportunities to cross the line. The policies should be available to all staff but enforcement should occur with the campus security and the house supervisor. Although the intentions are admirable, after a lapse of time the 'house supervisor' may not be found and then the nurses will be back to square one when a police officer overrides campus security and has a state law that can back him up. If they truly want their plans to work they need to pass laws at the state level and even federal level. Alex was following the federal laws and yet somehow the local police decided their jurisdiction overruled the federal law. Its going to be interesting to watch
How effing pathetic is it that this one asshole cop has caused this much trauma and disruption? How pathetic is it that a cop who is a public servant assaulted and battered a nurse in her own place of employment? The only way to ensure that this never happens again is to FIRE this cop and his idiot boss who ordered him to arrest this nurse.
I don't understand why police officers, especially those who are involved with so called "blood draws' , are not (obviously) keeping up with current and changing laws related to this. When you watch the video of this nurses refusal to draw blood and why , you can hear the Lt in charge of the blood draw unit speaking on the phone to another officer in the background discussing that the nurse is breaking the law . This is a 'Blood draw' unit and they can't keep up with the current laws affecting their duties as (and I say this loosely) upholders of law ? Don't they get directives from their District attorneys ?
You would be surprised how many police departments operate on policies that are severely outdated. I watched a video of someone being arrested in a park while open carrying and being completely treated like crap by the police only to find out that as the man had been saying he was legal. The officers were using a cheat card for enforcement of policies that was completely out of date and the law had changed years earlier.
To those who think she should not have "resisted" arrest. Nothing in Nursing school can prepare a nurse for this, what she went through. She is on the job, responsible for her pt load, some underling nurses, as she is "Charge nurse"AND had done everything right, NOTHING wrong. If she leaves, she has ABANDONED her patients. (worthy of swift license revocation) So, I can't blame her for her reaction. This whole thing should have a LOT of "take away" knowledge for A LOT people. Nurses and LEOs.
I'm glad she protected the patients rights when nobody else would. Big lesson to all of us in the health field.. now more work for physicians, dealing with these morons, when a charge nurse is mentally capable of speaking to these aggressive morons. All he had to do was read or listen to her documentation. Shame on Jeff Payne, he worked as an ambulance driver for a few decades and still disregard or is incompetent on the laws of hipaa.
If you are a law enforcement officer, your purpose should be to keep the peace in your community. Regardless of what the law says, when the people you are sworn to protect are TERRIFIED and SHOCKED by your actions, you have FAILED as a police officer. Many (not all) cops out there put WAAAY too much emphasis on rules and regulations and not enough emphasis on compassion and *common sense*. Sure it's great that maybe you know every ordinance in the book, word for word, down to the last comma and period. But if you don't think about your actions every step of the way, and how you can perform your job honorably and with respect for the people you serve, you are setting yourself up to betray the public's trust.
Hooray for the policy changes. Bottom line here though is still your officers failed to protect your nurse. Get your checkbook ready. I hope she Sues and gets a maximum amount because because life will never be the same for her again and this may turn into a hostile work environment, she may have to make some Life Changes and she's going to need every penny that she can get.
Interesting... Sounds like you are doing your best... But apparently... You are a little late with this public announcement... And the police chief should be showing a lot more contrition... Just my humble opinion....
Chief, you sounded completely unaffected. And to the Chief Nursing Officer---THANK YOU , THANK YOU, THANK YOU for completely supporting Alex and not catering to the idiot police dept by 'treading lightly' over their disgraceful ineptitude and obvious lack of accountability
Funny how the cop wanted the blood of the innocent victim, not sure why....but as we noticed we didn't get any of the cops blood.....I think he was on something, or has mental illness........
It is time all cops on scene to be tried, if convicted they need to be executed. The security guards on scene need to be fired and lose all assets. The security guards have no redeeming value as human beings.
Well, if you look at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Act, CFR 382.303 (here is a link with interpretations: www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/382.303 ) there is a requirement to test the "surviving drivers" following an accident such as the one the truck driver was in. The accident is pretty clearly not his fault, but testing of all (surviving) drivers is called for under Federal law. HOWEVER, the law states that the EMPLOYER is responsible for getting this done. Not Law Enforcement. I don't know if Law Enforcement claimed to be acting "on behalf of the employer". I don't know if the hospital has policies to permit testing in the circumstances specified by Federal law: (unconscious driver, employer orders tests performed as required under 382.303. No consent of patient, no warrant). Regardless, it appears to me that the detective was way out of line, Nurse Wubbels should not have been threatened or intimidated, let alone arrested. There is a "chain of custody" process for samples (urine and blood) to be tested, spelled out in another part of these rules. The paperwork is tedious. So I don't support the conspiracy theory of police doctoring a driver's blood sample. Even the random pee tests for drivers have a lot of procedure and paperwork.If you go to the link above, you will find, under section (d), two time limits for post-accident alcohol tests. It is preferred to test for BAC within 2 hours of the accident. If not tested within 8 hours, "the employer shall cease efforts to test". This is, of course, because alcohol gets metabolized out of the system over time so cannot be detected after a few hours have passed. Testing for controlled substances has a 32-hour cutoff under this section. But again, Federal law clearly states that it is the employer's responsibility.I wonder if the detective was tested after this incident? Stimulants? Testosterone?As for "non-surviving" drivers? BAC would be tested as part of the autopsy.
The police as a whole shouldn't be shut out of the patient care areas for the actions of one bad officer. The police are very helpful to staff in Emergency Rooms with violent patients. The police not being in patient care areas is going to be more harmful to us as nurses.
This cop arrests a nurse and then threatens that anyone who objects or interferes will be arrested too. Hospital security shows up and they don't stop this unlawful arrest from happening. With absolute idiots like these who needs made up enemies like ISIS? Wake up America. Your law enforcement is not trained to protect and serve...it is trained to take and silence by force.
+spacepatrolman "better not to fight with the cops and straighten it out later" This is the general wisdom about effectively dealing with police contact and protecting your rights when you are "accused." However, it is purely a self preservation tactic. At some point, the rights of citizens at large has to be represented. This woman did a great thing and this hospital is helping to reset the the standard by which police must conduct themselves in these situations. This is vitally important stuff and where we must fight the real fight against "fascism." Personal accountability is the key and the police departments need to get seriously on board with this idea. This applies to the treatment of the nurse as well as to the treatment of the citizen who was injured as a result of police activity.
The big question for me is how much authority did the Hospital cops have compared to the City Police. Are both considered Law Enforcement officers by the State. How they are classified makes a big difference.
Yeah, and this is EXACTLY the cowardly response that the thug cops like the one in this case rely on to get away with this crap. We need MORE people who are willing to get arrested and have balls enough to stand up for what is lawful and right. How far down on your knees are you willing to stoop to avoid being "inconvenienced" so that you can "go along to get along"??? Where is your loyalty to your co-workers, the ones you swore to protect when you took that job? Where is your spine when it comes to doing your duty? Watch this "arrest" video again. Then watch it again. There are SO many things wrong with this picture that this brave lady has grounds for lawsuits on AT LEAST three levels, and I hope she follows through on all of them. Meanwhile, you snowflakes who "don't want to get arrested" should leave the "security" business and get jobs serving cafe' au laits to other snowflakes at Starbucks.
I'm currently in Junior in University of Utah, and I was shocked and disgusted by the officer's action. He acted like he was above the law, and he abused his power. I really want to fire that cop.
Nursing officer, absolutely perfect speech. Clearly cares for her employees and for how Alex handled the situation. More sincerity in her few minutes and than in the 15 minute conference by the mayor police chief
It appears from the different interviews I've watched and the public statements that as soon as this happened there were broad changes in hospital policy in regards to who police officers could contact in relation to protecting the health care workers. I think where the problems lie is that the University Police/security felt they had done nothing wrong originally and didn't even offer an apology to Alex. That coupled with the fact that SLCPD was dragging it's feet as to investigating the officers involved in the situation and being open and honest about how these officers handled the situation. So in my honest opinion I believed the head of nursing, I believed the Dr. who was head of the burn unit and I half believed the President. I didn't however believe the head of Police/Security. He drug his feet rather than doing something about it in the first place. So in my never to be humble opinion along with the 2 officers from SLCPD the security guards present, any University Police present and the head of Police/Security should all be fired or demoted. None of them did a job worthy of their titles. Everyone let Nurse Alex down.
Not only should officer Payne be fired, all the officers standing around including hospital security should be fired. Its time they start doing their job that they're paid to do. Not stand around and watch an innocent women's rights being violated.
This apology speech the University is giving shows that they now regret not taking her seriously when she had confronted them on the matter. They dismissed her and underestimated her, so she decided to release the video to the public....and now you're making your pathetic speech. lol. Owned.
Everyone seems to be avoiding a part of this story..Why did the office want blood form THE VICTIM in the first place warrant or not?!? He was nailed head on by the subject of a police chase. Here is an analogy that will express why this makes no sense; A man holds up a liquor store, runs out and knocks over a bystander near the door, what the police did is parallel to searching the bystander in this analogy. HOW IN THE HELL DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!!!!
The police were chasing the suspect that crashed into the truck driver resulting in his death. If the truck driver was on something that could lessen the liability of the police.
I could see the trucking company asking for a drug test but the police would not be the agents of that. Also the truck driver was a police reservist. This whole thing smells like a "Cover our @$$'es" witch hunt
Don, completely agree. It was a huge CYA. If they could show that the truck driver (also a reserve officer for another PD) was somehow impaired then when a lawsuit ensued they could argue that had the driver of the truck not been impaired he may have been able to avoid the head on collision that the dead man and possibly police caused. After all we don't know what policy is in regards to police chases for the department involved. I do know that just north of me in Michigan the state police just suspended all officers from entering into chases because an officer tased a young boy on an atv who lost control of it and died when he hit a car.
What 4th Amendment "Right"! Alex Wubbels takes the wrath of Government for YOUR "Rights"! This is NOT an ISOLATED Incident... this Happens every hour of every day in our "FREE" Country! There is a police Pattern and Practice of Violations of the Bill of "Rights" Sheeple! You need to Understand and Exercise your "Rights"! The cops just need a Little More Training and Money… It is all OK, you can sue them in Civil Court after they STEAL your “Right” from you! If you have the Cash! University of Utah Hospital’s burn unit - "Hero" Nurse Alex Wubbels (the Victim of Police Lies, Abuse, and Misconduct) Patient - (unconscious patient) 43-year-old William Gray Salt Lake City police detective (Douche-bag violator of Civil "Rights") - Jeff Payne Watch Commander (Co-Douche-bag violator of Civil "Rights") - Lt James Tracy Salt Lake City Police Chief (Douche-bag in Charge of the Lying Scum Cops) - Chief Mike Brown Contact the Police Chief: slcpd.com/chief/ Salt Lake police spokesman (The Spin Master of Propaganda) - Sgt. Brandon Shearer Address: 475 South 300 East Mailing Address: P.O. Box 145497 Salt Lake City, Utah 84114 Non-Emergency: 801-799-3000 Nurse Refuses Blood Draw On Unconscious Patient - czcams.com/video/KwIrHXCYUL4/video.html ‘This is crazy,’ sobs Utah hospital nurse as cop roughs her up, arrests her for doing her job - www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?.4aa1cfceb50f Nurse forcibly arrested for not allowing cop to draw blood of unconscious patient - www.rt.com/usa/401670-nurse-arrested-blood-draw-unconscious-patient/ The Larger Constitutional Issues At Play in the Alex Wubbels Case - czcams.com/video/VKRqBhqrxro/video.html Welcome to the United Police States of America... Oligarchy Police State... USSA! Bend over Sheeple the Government has a surprise for you... the Giant Red White and Blue Government/Tax/Police/SPY/War Weenie! PACIFICATION BY FORCE! Government's view of the people and economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it. If all else fails, make it illegal and profit from it. We have the finest Police/Politicians that Money can BUY! They are all following the Money and Screwing the Sheeple! The Government Giveth and the Government Taketh Away, blessed be the name of the Government! Wake Up Sheeple... you are not Free! Misconduct in Office, Abuse of Authority, False Arrest, Assault & Battery, and Attempted Civil Rights Violations! Jeff Payne needs to be in Prison... and the City needs to be Sued by Alex!
@Animal Farm - Stop using the lame cliché, "sheeple" it just undermines your arguments and makes you sound angry and superior. If you want other people to think and act differently, then think for yourself about what you are doing when you use that word. You can make your points without trying to shame the people you are trying to persuade by implying that we don't understand the issues. If you really want to make changes and right wrongs, try aligning yourself with other people instead of alienating them with insults.
With hospitals , not wanting employees to interact with police, this tells the public NOT to interact with police.....it seems these are VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE.
What has happened to the supervising officer who used the 'Color of Law' to further threaten the nurse's personal liberty while in unlawful restraint ? Not one word about him yet!
Unified PD is the most corrupt uncostitutional authoritarian police department in the union . They violate the rights of the people of utah every day they threaten our way of life our liberty or freedom our good names and reputations. These corrupt police go around charging people for crimes they didn't commit all the time . They successfully bank rupt all their political apponents. And the people of utah have no redress unless they have tens of thousands to fight state of utah and upd corruption. This corrupt police department had ties to the state bar and persecutes any lawyer who stand in their way and work to have the state bar take their law licences away. We have a huge problem in Utah it can only be solved with large ammounts of money law sutes and the threat of the people being armed and known not to tolerate these illegal infringements on our constitutional rights. Let the class action law suits commence.!!!!
Hey Chief of the PD! These guys involved should be fired!! Period! The head nurse should've never been the first contact! Glad that policy is changing !!
1. Why were the police chasing the pickup truck? What was his crime? Did the Police believe the fleeing vehicle was a threat to the public? How long had the chase gone on? How many miles did it cover and at what speeds? How many police officers were involved in the chase? 2. Why are the police "Trained" to draw blood? Why not a Nurse or EMT? 3. Why was Jeff Payne going to draw blood from William Gray? Was it to gather evidence to discredit the innocent victim/patient (William Gray) of an overzealous car chase/crash and to Protect the Police/City from a Law Suit? 4. Did the Police try to Violate a citizen's "Rights"? Why aren't the Police "Trained" on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights? Do the Police need a Warrant, Arrest, or Consent? What does the 4th Amendment say about blood draws? Case Law? Supreme Court? 5. Once Jeff Payne had the knowledge of the Hospital "Policy" as explained by Alex Wubbels, Why did he insist on arresting Alex? Why did Jeff Payne arrest Alex Wubbels for the catch all "Obstructing" and "Resisting"? 6. Why was Lt James Tracy lying to Alex Wubbels? Why did Lt James Tracy make the statement that there are Civil remedies for the Police Misconduct? Why are the Police "Above" the Law? Why aren't their "Mandatory Minimums" for the Violations of Civil Rights by the Police? 7. If Nurse Alex Wubbels did such a great job, why would the Hospital come out the next day and make "New Policy" prohibiting nurses from protecting patients’ rights? Who will be protecting patients’ rights? Who will be dealing with the Police for "Patient Protection"? 8. How much input did the Police have in the Hospital's "New Policy"? 9. If Alex Wubbels should not have been subject to arrest, why did the hospital police stand there with their thumbs up their ass and allow it to happen? Why did the Police Arrest Alex? 10. Under the "New Policy" will the Hospital hide behind closed doors to plot/conspire with the police to violate citizen's rights? What Checks and Balances will be in Place? 11. What is the "New" Police Policy?
Why are you asking all these questions when most of the answers are readily available? For instance: 7. To protect the nurses from future assaults from the police. Did you watch the video? The woman makes it clear who will be dealing with the police. Here is the only real question to be asked, "Is Lt. James Tracy under investigation for insisting that Det. Payne arrest Nurse Wubbles and then bullying and lying to her (and other hospital staff) when she was handcuffed in the car? If not, why not?"
I like your questions. I was really ticked off with Lt. James Tracy... lying, manipulating and harassing Alex Wubbles.. Tracy was trying to use, "implied consent"; this has been disallowed since 2007 ... if a person is not conscious, there is no consent. Tracy is in a Masters Course for Criminal Justice!?! Some justice, we can expect of him. And also, Tracy said, "If we took the blood inappropriately, we can't use it. It will all go away" WOW, they expect a blank check. And Jeff Payne, wow, when a cop assaults a nurse, they'll assault anyone. THOSE COPS HAVE NO SHAME.
I would have to believe that the 2nd unnamed officer currently suspended from the department is Lt. The other officer from SLCPD is seen trying to deescalate the situation so I doubt he's currently suspended for this incident.
I will not feel any justice has been done until Brophy and his university police minions involved at working midnight security shifts at the local malls. Seriously. Why should the CEO of the hospital have to work with Brophy and his staff to make sure they know their primary job is to advocate for patients and staff? Isn't that obvious? And Brophy blew the nurse off and didn't even watch the footage until recently. What an arrogant jerk. Why hasn't his staff already had deescalation training? If you are providing security for a place with a lot of young people AND a lot of people going through trauma, including mentally ill people, don't you think your police should already have that??
It was basically let us do illegal things and let the courts hash it out but they are not used to a woman with strong morals. Don't be afraid to stand up even if they can't handle no.
I have no idea who is training staff and other professionals at hospitals around the nation but I've had some horrendous experiences and I know exactly how Alex Wubbles feels. Where were all these people when Alex was being grabbed, pulled, frightened and ultimately arrested. Now we see all these people congratulating Alex. This is a pathetic act of 'please don't sue me'. We need training in our hospitals and our police forces. Words are cheap. Actions always speak louder. Don't say you will. Do! This madness has to stop.
There needs to be an external forensic audit of the hospital security and the way other nurses have drawn blood in the past... I hope they let go all the security guards who acted in concert with the police that night and took their orders from them instead of the Charge Nurse, Alex WUBBELS, who was their boss that night... They were disgraceful fat hogs 👅 ing the boots of the cops that night... Cop Wannabes instead of hospital custodians...
These are not leaders, pathetic arse covering, no strong condemnation of the individuals who got it totally wrong. These officers and their managers should have been out the door by now.
so. Wubbels was the acting supervisor of a level 1 trauma center burn unit and she got assaulted and hauled out of her workplace by violent force? you know she's a previous Olympic skiing athlete too, right?
Protecting the law of patient confidentiality, she should be commended, cops and security don't really respect this law of patient confidentiality. I've seen it first hand at some hospitals, police going straight through ER and not waiting in the waiting room. It's ridiculous, they think they own the hospital...and try to force their importance around.
So the fix is that there has to be a specifically trained uber-person to serve as the liaison that interact with law enforcement because law enforcement is to unreliable/sketchy/dangerous/difficult/threatening/invasive/??? for regular mere mortals to interact with? Sounds to me that it's the cops that need fixing, not the hospital. Still, probably a sensible thing to do so, for everyones sakes as demonstrated by the event. When a cop blows a gasket, all the other cops on site do nothing to "cap the rupture", they just let it blow and even support the continued blow as it blows. . That cop annouced, "If I dont get what I want, I'm gonna arrest her! Then hurt her on purpose! All cops there did nothing! New cops arrive and proceed to berate her and tell her that she is wrong, that she broke the law, that she obstructed justice, that her arrest is her fault, that she should give them what they want. They also stated that they intended to carry out retribution against the hospital in the future because of this. Dirty. Cannot be trusted. Liars. Vicious. Dangerous. Contemptuous. Evil. Scandalous. What if there was no video footage?
I think honestly that because of the fact that there are video cameras everywhere people are finally waking up and realizing that the old "if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" doesn't work anymore. It never worked because police control the narrative when there is no video. If an officer said you hit him and he only used force because of it then in the eyes of the court you assaulted the officer. Now people are finding out that many police reports are pure BS and have nothing to do with the reality of what happened at the event. The blue wall is starting to show signs of having holes in it. For the sake of the good officers out there these kind of guys/gals need to go.
Lawsuit please :) I love the new procedures. Hahahaha. Just follow patient confidentiality, morons and this would of never happened. Protected health information is under us law.. if the incompetent cop took the time to read the form and not be stubborn and aggressive. This would of never happened.
Thank you for addressing the issue of campus security doing a terrible job. In one of the videos he is conspiring with officer to take him to the burn unit so he can go ahead and get the patient's blood. I have worked in hospitals for over 30 years and have hated having to try and get blood from burn patients because too often their skin integrity is compromised. Most of the time they have lines for fluids, Medes and blood drawing. Was this cop thinking he had the right to compromise this patient? And the security guy was going to assist him? And what was the blood for? Everyone knows that drugs of abuse don't show in blood, we have all been tested one time or another and it is always done on urine. The officers and security guy need to be better educated.
The Hospital is not off the hook just yet since it was said by the felon officers that they had no problem getting blood with out warrants before except one time and that was dealt with...
Officers are supposed to serve and protect our citizens yet how many officers just stood by watching a fellow officer commit crime. Not a one spoke up or did anything that was right, they all are corrupt.
I probably wouldn't include the hospital in a lawsuit...it seems like they're doing everything they can. The police, on the other hand, should be spanked to the tune of 7 figures, plus the firing and arrest of psychopath Payne, and dismissal of any supervisor above him that was involved.
the hospital security need to be fit obviously not i thought they were supposed to protect stafff fat load of good they were Thee police needs their arse kicked
Wow...do these folks on the stage look like the healthy individuals the public want running a state funded hospital?? WTF!!!! This guy at the beginning is surely into the three figure range with copious pension benefits and what we get is a LDS general conference style lecture?? I used to dislike people from out of state coming here and contributing to the overcrowding of our beautiful state, but let them come. This place needs a culture change.
Is that cop in jail for breaking the law like anybody else would've been?
You already know the answer to that question. The DA will hold onto the case until the storm is over and then quietly announce on a Friday afternoon about 4:30 pm that their wasn't enough evidence to pursue charges.
Nope. They are on paid leave. You know. Kinda like a paid vacation:( WTF
I have been a Protective Services Officer for 12 years at Large level one trauma Hospital. I want to point out incidents like this happen more than you would think! First let me say I work on a very professional department.. that are well trained in our field. We all must be international association Hospital Security and Safety certified. We also have to be OPTA ( Ohio police training acdemy / private security) certified. We all are trained in CIT ( crisis intervention team) to deal with mental health patients. I'm a certified Taser international Instructor and all Officers must qualify annually on this device. We also are certified with Fire Arms, pepper spray ( foam), handcuffs and ASAP ( collaspable) baton. I must say that where we differ from conventional law enforcement is our training in the HIPPA laws ( Federal privacy laws for patients) At no time.. does local law enforcement agencies have authority to violate patient rights once they are in the care of a Hospital. The moment Det. Jeff Payne placed his hands on the RN who was defending the HIPPA laws.. Hospital Security should have stepped in and stopped the assault. Wearing a uniform and a badge does not give you the right to violate laws or the civil rights of the victim! I have been in several situations where I have had to stand Toe to Toe with local authorities and stop them from violating the HIPPA laws. I have been threatened with arrest by outside law enforcement agencies for doing so but in the end they become better informed on the Federal HIPPA laws. To watch your Security staff stand idlely by and even hold the door for the Suspect ( Det. Jeff Payne) shows me Two things. 1. That these Security Officers lack the training to be effective in a Hospital setting. 2. If they did know the HIPPA laws then they lacked the backbone to enforce them. The RN ( Alex) was assauted, illegally detained and traumatized by the actions of ego tripping Officer and the lack of security she received in her work place. I'm no lawyer but I don't see this turning out to be a good lesson for several individuals and enties!! Training is supposed to be pro-active not re-active .. when it's re-active it's to late!!
Bill makes a good point. The elephant in the room in this whole situation is that Alex released the police cam video after her dissatisfaction with the hospital police path forward from all of this, not because of her dissatisfaction with the SLCPD apology and path forward (tho' in her own words, it still isn't over and a law suit may very well be in the cards. Will she sue both the SLCPD and the UofU??). The UofU press conference should have allowed for questions and answers, the central question being why didn't the UofU police step in? Is there an unwritten norm/feeling in communities that hospital security/police step aside when the city (or state) police are present?
Bill think you that was good in interesting to read... I thought all along that the problem with the Hospital cops is that they didn't know how to react to the cops and figured there would be arrested with no support if they intervened. Now in this case it may have been difficult but probably would of resulted in the Chief of Police called.
Yes most think HIPPA is nothing and why should they even bother. It is possible that a cop can be charged with a violation of HIPPA or attempted violation of HIPPA?
Bill Harden seems like you need some time off
Best post i've read thus far!!
Bill Harden God bless you Sir! VERY profound and professionally stated comment!
These police wonder why people do not trust the police. These two officers, Payne and Tracy and the ones that allowed this to happen need to be fired, arrested and stripe of their pensions period.
Amen...unfortunately Payne will probably be allowed to "retire" and collect his pension. He'll probably keep his job as an EMS even though he threated to only bring indigents to the hospital in the future.
Well sorry to say but your security guards absolutely failed to do their job and allowed this to happen..they need to be fired
applause to the nurse , love her
Nurse, sue the hell out of these smooth talking failures and cowards!
As to why the officer wanted the blood sample in the first place: The patient in question was driving a semi that was hit head-on by a vehicle driving at very high speed, which crossed the center-line, while being pursued by the police. In most cities the police are not supposed to be endangering the public like that, but should find better ways to stop the vehicle. So, the police in this case could be held liable and could be sued by that injured truck driver. BUT, if the truck driver was somehow impaired and the police could prove it then he would have no case. If the police could get a blood sample, and they somehow contaminated it, then they could show the driver was DUI. All this to protect themselves. (At least this is just my theory as to maybe why they wanted the blood sample. I may be wrong, but if someone else has a better explanation...)
David R
I want to know why that police officer wasn't arrested for kidnapping & why the other cop's didn't stop him. All bad cop's in my book.
Why aren't those scumbags in jail awaiting trial????
I didn't know initially that one of the police officers their was an University police.. Aren't they paid to protect the pataints and employees?? Is the thin blue line that strong that they would allow an outside agency to come in and arrest one of their friends and co workers unlawfully?? THAT SHOULD NEVER HAD HAPPENED.....😎💣
1. I want to know why the police officer wasn't arrested for kidnapping?
2. Policy was clearly in place already.
3. Why didn't hospital security protect the nurse?
4. Why didn't the security officer place the police officer under Citizens Arrest?
5. Why hasn't the police officer been fired?
In short, this is the kind of police brutally crap that's sweeping the nation that upsets us citizens. I'm hoping the Supreme Court weighs in on this.
Jim, having the security officers step in to try to stop police officers by force could have turned out very, very badly for everybody.
MrTron
So why are the Security Officer's there then?
There were supposedly University of Utah police there...can't tell in the video and they stepped aside. You hear the idiot police officer talking about it on camera later. He talks about how it was good they stepped aside and let him make the arrest because he'd do the same if they were on his turf. So maybe the fatboy holding the door open couldn't do anything to stop it but U of U police could have stepped in and stopped it from happening.
I hope that the University Hospital is paying for Ms. Wubbels attorney and paying for all her expenses relating to the press conferences and news interviews she is doing including any lost wages. She is a credit to health care workers everywhere and she is a great ambassador for your hospital. It may be painful for some of the things that came to light (complete lack of security) but in the end your hospital will be a better place for the employees and the patients.
Wubblels was protecting the real victim" William Gray; i got a good idea why they wanting his blood, its pretty obvious.
A red flag was when Margaret Pierce the Chief Nursing officer stated that the nurses will be "out of the loop" in terms of the law. If the nurses don't know the policy it will give the authorities even more opportunities to cross the line. The policies should be available to all staff but enforcement should occur with the campus security and the house supervisor. Although the intentions are admirable, after a lapse of time the 'house supervisor' may not be found and then the nurses will be back to square one when a police officer overrides campus security and has a state law that can back him up. If they truly want their plans to work they need to pass laws at the state level and even federal level. Alex was following the federal laws and yet somehow the local police decided their jurisdiction overruled the federal law. Its going to be interesting to watch
How effing pathetic is it that this one asshole cop has caused this much trauma and disruption? How pathetic is it that a cop who is a public servant assaulted and battered a nurse in her own place of employment? The only way to ensure that this never happens again is to FIRE this cop and his idiot boss who ordered him to arrest this nurse.
I don't understand why police officers, especially those who are involved with so called "blood draws' , are not (obviously) keeping up with current and changing laws related to this. When you watch the video of this nurses refusal to draw blood and why , you can hear the Lt in charge of the blood draw unit speaking on the phone to another officer in the background discussing that the nurse is breaking the law . This is a 'Blood draw' unit and they can't keep up with the current laws affecting their duties as (and I say this loosely) upholders of law ? Don't they get directives from their District attorneys ?
You would be surprised how many police departments operate on policies that are severely outdated. I watched a video of someone being arrested in a park while open carrying and being completely treated like crap by the police only to find out that as the man had been saying he was legal. The officers were using a cheat card for enforcement of policies that was completely out of date and the law had changed years earlier.
They absolutely know the law, which is why they were resorting to intimidation. They knew they couldn't get a warrant, and said as much to each other.
To those who think she should not have "resisted" arrest. Nothing in Nursing school can prepare a nurse for this, what she went through. She is on the job, responsible for her pt load, some underling nurses, as she is "Charge nurse"AND had done everything right, NOTHING wrong. If she leaves, she has ABANDONED her patients. (worthy of swift license revocation) So, I can't blame her for her reaction. This whole thing should have a LOT of "take away" knowledge for A LOT people. Nurses and LEOs.
There was already a simple 3-Step Plan in place that shouldve prevented this.
If the nurse had taken blood it would be illegal and she could be sued personally as well as corporately
I'm glad she protected the patients rights when nobody else would. Big lesson to all of us in the health field.. now more work for physicians, dealing with these morons, when a charge nurse is mentally capable of speaking to these aggressive morons. All he had to do was read or listen to her documentation. Shame on Jeff Payne, he worked as an ambulance driver for a few decades and still disregard or is incompetent on the laws of hipaa.
If you are a law enforcement officer, your purpose should be to keep the peace in your community. Regardless of what the law says, when the people you are sworn to protect are TERRIFIED and SHOCKED by your actions, you have FAILED as a police officer. Many (not all) cops out there put WAAAY too much emphasis on rules and regulations and not enough emphasis on compassion and *common sense*. Sure it's great that maybe you know every ordinance in the book, word for word, down to the last comma and period. But if you don't think about your actions every step of the way, and how you can perform your job honorably and with respect for the people you serve, you are setting yourself up to betray the public's trust.
Hooray for the policy changes. Bottom line here though is still your officers failed to protect your nurse. Get your checkbook ready. I hope she Sues and gets a maximum amount because because life will never be the same for her again and this may turn into a hostile work environment, she may have to make some Life Changes and she's going to need every penny that she can get.
Sue the police departments of the city and the university.
Also make sure this doesn't happen to patients again.
There's room for improvement.
Bystanders should not remain idle to police corruption.
So what we need now is private armed security forces to protect us from the civil right abusing police.
Interesting... Sounds like you are doing your best... But apparently... You are a little late with this public announcement... And the police chief should be showing a lot more contrition... Just my humble opinion....
The University police could have intervened and the donut boys just stood there
Chief, you sounded completely unaffected. And to the Chief Nursing Officer---THANK YOU , THANK YOU, THANK YOU for completely supporting Alex and not catering to the idiot police dept by 'treading lightly' over their disgraceful ineptitude and obvious lack of accountability
Does the hospital not have another chair?
You did everything right.
Funny how the cop wanted the blood of the innocent victim, not sure why....but as we noticed we didn't get any of the cops blood.....I think he was on something, or has mental illness........
Love how everyone hides behind the word "training"
It is time all cops on scene to be tried, if convicted they need to be executed. The security guards on scene need to be fired and lose all assets. The security guards have no redeeming value as human beings.
Well, if you look at the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Act, CFR 382.303 (here is a link with interpretations: www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/382.303 ) there is a requirement to test the "surviving drivers" following an accident such as the one the truck driver was in. The accident is pretty clearly not his fault, but testing of all (surviving) drivers is called for under Federal law. HOWEVER, the law states that the EMPLOYER is responsible for getting this done. Not Law Enforcement. I don't know if Law Enforcement claimed to be acting "on behalf of the employer". I don't know if the hospital has policies to permit testing in the circumstances specified by Federal law: (unconscious driver, employer orders tests performed as required under 382.303. No consent of patient, no warrant). Regardless, it appears to me that the detective was way out of line, Nurse Wubbels should not have been threatened or intimidated, let alone arrested. There is a "chain of custody" process for samples (urine and blood) to be tested, spelled out in another part of these rules. The paperwork is tedious. So I don't support the conspiracy theory of police doctoring a driver's blood sample. Even the random pee tests for drivers have a lot of procedure and paperwork.If you go to the link above, you will find, under section (d), two time limits for post-accident alcohol tests. It is preferred to test for BAC within 2 hours of the accident. If not tested within 8 hours, "the employer shall cease efforts to test". This is, of course, because alcohol gets metabolized out of the system over time so cannot be detected after a few hours have passed. Testing for controlled substances has a 32-hour cutoff under this section. But again, Federal law clearly states that it is the employer's responsibility.I wonder if the detective was tested after this incident? Stimulants? Testosterone?As for "non-surviving" drivers? BAC would be tested as part of the autopsy.
It was state property
Too much PC/PR/damage-control cowardice. Frustrating but hardly surprising.
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The police as a whole shouldn't be shut out of the patient care areas for the actions of one bad officer. The police are very helpful to staff in Emergency Rooms with violent patients. The police not being in patient care areas is going to be more harmful to us as nurses.
Nurse Alex protected her patient from a "bad" cop, but no one could protect her from the bad cop. He was above the law at that moment.
This cop arrests a nurse and then threatens that anyone who objects or interferes will be arrested too. Hospital security shows up and they don't stop this unlawful arrest from happening. With absolute idiots like these who needs made up enemies like ISIS? Wake up America. Your law enforcement is not trained to protect and serve...it is trained to take and silence by force.
JFK35 517 ...if you look closely its a guard that opens the door
Tom Kenny That was one of the things that stood out in my mind also. Those little actions that fly under the radar of most people.
+spacepatrolman "better not to fight with the cops and straighten it out later" This is the general wisdom about effectively dealing with police contact and protecting your rights when you are "accused." However, it is purely a self preservation tactic. At some point, the rights of citizens at large has to be represented. This woman did a great thing and this hospital is helping to reset the the standard by which police must conduct themselves in these situations. This is vitally important stuff and where we must fight the real fight against "fascism." Personal accountability is the key and the police departments need to get seriously on board with this idea. This applies to the treatment of the nurse as well as to the treatment of the citizen who was injured as a result of police activity.
The big question for me is how much authority did the Hospital cops have compared to the City Police. Are both considered Law Enforcement officers by the State. How they are classified makes a big difference.
Yeah, and this is EXACTLY the cowardly response that the thug cops like the one in this case rely on to get away with this crap.
We need MORE people who are willing to get arrested and have balls enough to stand up for what is lawful and right. How far down on your knees are you willing to stoop to avoid being "inconvenienced" so that you can "go along to get along"??? Where is your loyalty to your co-workers, the ones you swore to protect when you took that job? Where is your spine when it comes to doing your duty?
Watch this "arrest" video again. Then watch it again. There are SO many things wrong with this picture that this brave lady has grounds for lawsuits on AT LEAST three levels, and I hope she follows through on all of them.
Meanwhile, you snowflakes who "don't want to get arrested" should leave the "security" business and get jobs serving cafe' au laits to other snowflakes at Starbucks.
Fire the detective, fire any officer who watched, fire everyone who had anything to do with the decision to keep the detective on the payroll.
Anyone willing to write or sign a petition for the dismissal of the security supervisors that were there?
I'm currently in Junior in University of Utah, and I was shocked and disgusted by the officer's action. He acted like he was above the law, and he abused his power. I really want to fire that cop.
No public apologies until body cam video is released! So much for transparency.
Nursing officer, absolutely perfect speech. Clearly cares for her employees and for how Alex handled the situation. More sincerity in her few minutes and than in the 15 minute conference by the mayor police chief
It appears from the different interviews I've watched and the public statements that as soon as this happened there were broad changes in hospital policy in regards to who police officers could contact in relation to protecting the health care workers. I think where the problems lie is that the University Police/security felt they had done nothing wrong originally and didn't even offer an apology to Alex. That coupled with the fact that SLCPD was dragging it's feet as to investigating the officers involved in the situation and being open and honest about how these officers handled the situation. So in my honest opinion I believed the head of nursing, I believed the Dr. who was head of the burn unit and I half believed the President. I didn't however believe the head of Police/Security. He drug his feet rather than doing something about it in the first place. So in my never to be humble opinion along with the 2 officers from SLCPD the security guards present, any University Police present and the head of Police/Security should all be fired or demoted. None of them did a job worthy of their titles. Everyone let Nurse Alex down.
Not only should officer Payne be fired, all the officers standing around including hospital security should be fired. Its time they start doing their job that they're paid to do. Not stand around and watch an innocent women's rights being violated.
Let me translate this for you.... "We are scared to death of having our rear ends sued off."
LOL! yes, came through loud and clear, for the Mayor, the PD, to have done NOTHING until the video goes viral. speaks volumes....Sad
You sir are a legend.. take my like
i hope she sues them still
Tango Delta 2 Freaking police officers get away with murder.
The policy is simple. It is called the 4th amendment. When cops violate anyone's 4th amendment rights they need to go to prison.
This apology speech the University is giving shows that they now regret not taking her seriously when she had confronted them on the matter. They dismissed her and underestimated her, so she decided to release the video to the public....and now you're making your pathetic speech. lol.
Owned.
Everyone seems to be avoiding a part of this story..Why did the office want blood form THE VICTIM in the first place warrant or not?!? He was nailed head on by the subject of a police chase. Here is an analogy that will express why this makes no sense; A man holds up a liquor store, runs out and knocks over a bystander near the door, what the police did is parallel to searching the bystander in this analogy. HOW IN THE HELL DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!!!!
Jerry E
I agree with you. Needing blood to prove the victim wasn't driving impaired makes no sense!
The police were chasing the suspect that crashed into the truck driver resulting in his death. If the truck driver was on something that could lessen the liability of the police.
I could see the trucking company asking for a drug test but the police would not be the agents of that. Also the truck driver was a police reservist. This whole thing smells like a "Cover our @$$'es" witch hunt
my thoughts as well!!!
Don, completely agree. It was a huge CYA. If they could show that the truck driver (also a reserve officer for another PD) was somehow impaired then when a lawsuit ensued they could argue that had the driver of the truck not been impaired he may have been able to avoid the head on collision that the dead man and possibly police caused. After all we don't know what policy is in regards to police chases for the department involved. I do know that just north of me in Michigan the state police just suspended all officers from entering into chases because an officer tased a young boy on an atv who lost control of it and died when he hit a car.
Arrest, fire and sue. Nothing less. SCL and Utah in general are good places to avoid.
Unfortunately, the detective is on paid leave and will most likely not lose his job. Police unions have that type of protection.
What 4th Amendment "Right"! Alex Wubbels takes the wrath of Government for YOUR "Rights"! This is NOT an ISOLATED Incident... this Happens every hour of every day in our "FREE" Country! There is a police Pattern and Practice of Violations of the Bill of "Rights" Sheeple! You need to Understand and Exercise your "Rights"!
The cops just need a Little More Training and Money… It is all OK, you can sue them in Civil Court after they STEAL your “Right” from you! If you have the Cash!
University of Utah Hospital’s burn unit - "Hero" Nurse Alex Wubbels (the Victim of Police Lies, Abuse, and Misconduct)
Patient - (unconscious patient) 43-year-old William Gray
Salt Lake City police detective (Douche-bag violator of Civil "Rights") - Jeff Payne
Watch Commander (Co-Douche-bag violator of Civil "Rights") - Lt James Tracy
Salt Lake City Police Chief (Douche-bag in Charge of the Lying Scum Cops) - Chief Mike Brown
Contact the Police Chief: slcpd.com/chief/
Salt Lake police spokesman (The Spin Master of Propaganda) - Sgt. Brandon Shearer
Address:
475 South 300 East
Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 145497
Salt Lake City, Utah 84114
Non-Emergency: 801-799-3000
Nurse Refuses Blood Draw On Unconscious Patient - czcams.com/video/KwIrHXCYUL4/video.html
‘This is crazy,’ sobs Utah hospital nurse as cop roughs her up, arrests her for doing her job - www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?.4aa1cfceb50f
Nurse forcibly arrested for not allowing cop to draw blood of unconscious patient - www.rt.com/usa/401670-nurse-arrested-blood-draw-unconscious-patient/
The Larger Constitutional Issues At Play in the Alex Wubbels Case - czcams.com/video/VKRqBhqrxro/video.html
Welcome to the United Police States of America... Oligarchy Police State... USSA! Bend over Sheeple the Government has a surprise for you... the Giant Red White and Blue Government/Tax/Police/SPY/War Weenie! PACIFICATION BY FORCE!
Government's view of the people and economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it. If all else fails, make it illegal and profit from it.
We have the finest Police/Politicians that Money can BUY! They are all following the Money and Screwing the Sheeple!
The Government Giveth and the Government Taketh Away, blessed be the name of the Government! Wake Up Sheeple... you are not Free!
Misconduct in Office, Abuse of Authority, False Arrest, Assault & Battery, and Attempted Civil Rights Violations! Jeff Payne needs to be in Prison... and the City needs to be Sued by Alex!
@Animal Farm - Stop using the lame cliché, "sheeple" it just undermines your arguments and makes you sound angry and superior. If you want other people to think and act differently, then think for yourself about what you are doing when you use that word. You can make your points without trying to shame the people you are trying to persuade by implying that we don't understand the issues. If you really want to make changes and right wrongs, try aligning yourself with other people instead of alienating them with insults.
With hospitals , not wanting employees to interact with police, this tells the public NOT to interact with police.....it seems these are VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE.
What has happened to the supervising officer who used the 'Color of Law' to further threaten the nurse's personal liberty while in unlawful restraint ? Not one word about him yet!
I believe he is the second officer that is on vacation....ummm I mean paid administrative leave.
Unified PD is the most corrupt uncostitutional authoritarian police department in the union .
They violate the rights of the people of utah every day they threaten our way of life our liberty or freedom our good names and reputations.
These corrupt police go around charging people for crimes they didn't commit all the time .
They successfully bank rupt all their political apponents.
And the people of utah have no redress unless they have tens of thousands to fight state of utah and upd corruption.
This corrupt police department had ties to the state bar and persecutes any lawyer who stand in their way and work to have the state bar take their law licences away.
We have a huge problem in Utah it can only be solved with large ammounts of money law sutes and the threat of the people being armed and known not to tolerate these illegal infringements on our constitutional rights.
Let the class action law suits commence.!!!!
Hey Chief of the PD! These guys involved should be fired!! Period! The head nurse should've never been the first contact! Glad that policy is changing !!
1. Why were the police chasing the pickup truck? What was his crime? Did the Police believe the fleeing vehicle was a threat to the public? How long had the chase gone on? How many miles did it cover and at what speeds? How many police officers were involved in the chase?
2. Why are the police "Trained" to draw blood? Why not a Nurse or EMT?
3. Why was Jeff Payne going to draw blood from William Gray? Was it to gather evidence to discredit the innocent victim/patient (William Gray) of an overzealous car chase/crash and to Protect the Police/City from a Law Suit?
4. Did the Police try to Violate a citizen's "Rights"? Why aren't the Police "Trained" on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights? Do the Police need a Warrant, Arrest, or Consent? What does the 4th Amendment say about blood draws? Case Law? Supreme Court?
5. Once Jeff Payne had the knowledge of the Hospital "Policy" as explained by Alex Wubbels, Why did he insist on arresting Alex? Why did Jeff Payne arrest Alex Wubbels for the catch all "Obstructing" and "Resisting"?
6. Why was Lt James Tracy lying to Alex Wubbels? Why did Lt James Tracy make the statement that there are Civil remedies for the Police Misconduct? Why are the Police "Above" the Law? Why aren't their "Mandatory Minimums" for the Violations of Civil Rights by the Police?
7. If Nurse Alex Wubbels did such a great job, why would the Hospital come out the next day and make "New Policy" prohibiting nurses from protecting patients’ rights? Who will be protecting patients’ rights? Who will be dealing with the Police for "Patient Protection"?
8. How much input did the Police have in the Hospital's "New Policy"?
9. If Alex Wubbels should not have been subject to arrest, why did the hospital police stand there with their thumbs up their ass and allow it to happen? Why did the Police Arrest Alex?
10. Under the "New Policy" will the Hospital hide behind closed doors to plot/conspire with the police to violate citizen's rights? What Checks and Balances will be in Place?
11. What is the "New" Police Policy?
Why are you asking all these questions when most of the answers are readily available?
For instance: 7. To protect the nurses from future assaults from the police. Did you watch the video? The woman makes it clear who will be dealing with the police.
Here is the only real question to be asked, "Is Lt. James Tracy under investigation for insisting that Det. Payne arrest Nurse Wubbles and then bullying and lying to her (and other hospital staff) when she was handcuffed in the car? If not, why not?"
I like your questions. I was really ticked off with Lt. James Tracy... lying, manipulating and harassing Alex Wubbles.. Tracy was trying to use, "implied consent"; this has been disallowed since 2007 ... if a person is not conscious, there is no consent. Tracy is in a Masters Course for Criminal Justice!?! Some justice, we can expect of him. And also, Tracy said, "If we took the blood inappropriately, we can't use it. It will all go away" WOW, they expect a blank check. And Jeff Payne, wow, when a cop assaults a nurse, they'll assault anyone. THOSE COPS HAVE NO SHAME.
I would have to believe that the 2nd unnamed officer currently suspended from the department is Lt. The other officer from SLCPD is seen trying to deescalate the situation so I doubt he's currently suspended for this incident.
Way to go nurse alex.your fellow Rn.
That police chief should be fired if he didn't take action for the officers actions.
I will not feel any justice has been done until Brophy and his university police minions involved at working midnight security shifts at the local malls. Seriously. Why should the CEO of the hospital have to work with Brophy and his staff to make sure they know their primary job is to advocate for patients and staff? Isn't that obvious? And Brophy blew the nurse off and didn't even watch the footage until recently. What an arrogant jerk. Why hasn't his staff already had deescalation training? If you are providing security for a place with a lot of young people AND a lot of people going through trauma, including mentally ill people, don't you think your police should already have that??
I think it's time for Nurse Alex to retire. They can say sorry all they want but they need to feel this from a monetary standpoint.
Did you fire the officers that stood around and were afraid to do their duty..
police have no "duty to protect".
precedent has been set.
Paid administrative leave, he will most likely get a slap on the wrist..
Police union
+Cyborg Vlogger Nope. This assholes stunt has gone viral and worldwide. This pig is toast.
Hope she OWNS/SUES that hospital!
It was basically let us do illegal things and let the courts hash it out but they are not used to a woman with strong morals. Don't be afraid to stand up even if they can't handle no.
I have no idea who is training staff and other professionals at hospitals around the nation but I've had some horrendous experiences and I know exactly how Alex Wubbles feels. Where were all these people when Alex was being grabbed, pulled, frightened and ultimately arrested. Now we see all these people congratulating Alex. This is a pathetic act of 'please don't sue me'. We need training in our hospitals and our police forces. Words are cheap. Actions always speak louder. Don't say you will. Do! This madness has to stop.
There needs to be an external forensic audit of the hospital security and the way other nurses have drawn blood in the past... I hope they let go all the security guards who acted in concert with the police that night and took their orders from them instead of the Charge Nurse, Alex WUBBELS, who was their boss that night... They were disgraceful fat hogs 👅 ing the boots of the cops that night... Cop Wannabes instead of hospital custodians...
SHOULD HAVE DONE A DRAW ON THE COPS
These are not leaders, pathetic arse covering, no strong condemnation of the individuals who got it totally wrong. These officers and their managers should have been out the door by now.
so. Wubbels was the acting supervisor of a level 1 trauma center burn unit and she got assaulted and hauled out of her workplace by violent force? you know she's a previous Olympic skiing athlete too, right?
Protecting the law of patient confidentiality, she should be commended, cops and security don't really respect this law of patient confidentiality. I've seen it first hand at some hospitals, police going straight through ER and not waiting in the waiting room. It's ridiculous, they think they own the hospital...and try to force their importance around.
So the fix is that there has to be a specifically trained uber-person to serve as the liaison that interact with law enforcement because law enforcement is to unreliable/sketchy/dangerous/difficult/threatening/invasive/??? for regular mere mortals to interact with?
Sounds to me that it's the cops that need fixing, not the hospital.
Still, probably a sensible thing to do so, for everyones sakes as demonstrated by the event.
When a cop blows a gasket, all the other cops on site do nothing to "cap the rupture", they just let it blow and even support the continued blow as it blows. . That cop annouced, "If I dont get what I want, I'm gonna arrest her! Then hurt her on purpose! All cops there did nothing! New cops arrive and proceed to berate her and tell her that she is wrong, that she broke the law, that she obstructed justice, that her arrest is her fault, that she should give them what they want. They also stated that they intended to carry out retribution against the hospital in the future because of this. Dirty. Cannot be trusted. Liars. Vicious. Dangerous. Contemptuous. Evil. Scandalous.
What if there was no video footage?
I think honestly that because of the fact that there are video cameras everywhere people are finally waking up and realizing that the old "if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" doesn't work anymore. It never worked because police control the narrative when there is no video. If an officer said you hit him and he only used force because of it then in the eyes of the court you assaulted the officer. Now people are finding out that many police reports are pure BS and have nothing to do with the reality of what happened at the event. The blue wall is starting to show signs of having holes in it. For the sake of the good officers out there these kind of guys/gals need to go.
Lawsuit please :) I love the new procedures. Hahahaha. Just follow patient confidentiality, morons and this would of never happened. Protected health information is under us law.. if the incompetent cop took the time to read the form and not be stubborn and aggressive. This would of never happened.
How about law?, the police violated the constitution as well as making a false arrest. I smell a bullshit outcome.
Thank you for addressing the issue of campus security doing a terrible job. In one of the videos he is conspiring with officer to take him to the burn unit so he can go ahead and get the patient's blood. I have worked in hospitals for over 30 years and have hated having to try and get blood from burn patients because too often their skin integrity is compromised. Most of the time they have lines for fluids, Medes and blood drawing. Was this cop thinking he had the right to compromise this patient? And the security guy was going to assist him? And what was the blood for? Everyone knows that drugs of abuse don't show in blood, we have all been tested one time or another and it is always done on urine. The officers and security guy need to be better educated.
Who wants to wager that the director of nursing will be resigning or fired if not willing to resign. Look at the looks on the Mayor and cop's faces.
Im really disappointed at that Lt and detective, just saw the body cam footage and cmon!!!!!!!!
The Hospital is not off the hook just yet since it was said by the felon officers that they had no problem getting blood with out warrants before except one time and that was dealt with...
Officers are supposed to serve and protect our citizens yet how many officers just stood by watching a fellow officer commit crime. Not a one spoke up or did anything that was right, they all are corrupt.
I probably wouldn't include the hospital in a lawsuit...it seems like they're doing everything they can. The police, on the other hand, should be spanked to the tune of 7 figures, plus the firing and arrest of psychopath Payne, and dismissal of any supervisor above him that was involved.
I love the new liason idea, stop bothering nurses.
they dont want to be sued either.
Six weeks after the video went viral he watched it, yea they should start with firing his A$$ first!
the hospital security need to be fit obviously not i thought they were supposed to protect stafff fat load of good they were Thee police needs their arse kicked
I see what you did there...funny. Fat load of good....hehe
Wow...do these folks on the stage look like the healthy individuals the public want running a state funded hospital?? WTF!!!! This guy at the beginning is surely into the three figure range with copious pension benefits and what we get is a LDS general conference style lecture?? I used to dislike people from out of state coming here and contributing to the overcrowding of our beautiful state, but let them come. This place needs a culture change.
With leadership like this goes forward to putting the faith back in the police.