Rick Rubin on Digital vs. Analog
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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2022
- In an intimate conversation with Zane Lowe, Rick Rubin and Neil Young talk about the difference between recording in digital vs. analog.
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“Things happen” - Neil Young
Thanks. You saw that video, too?
How did we all see that video? What a coincidence.
Haha well done
it's all he said! he's a legend!
@@PearsAreOkay what video?
It's like 3 lawn gnomes just chillin talking about recording.
Love or hate him, Santa has dropped some of the biggest hits ever.
who doesn't like Rick Rubin
@@MojitoMatt Corey Taylor lol
@@MojitoMatt The Black Crowes
@@MojitoMatt metallica fans
@@MojitoMatt Yeezy
The way this is framed makes it seem like everyone is ignoring Neil Young.
I wouldn't blame them if they were lol
Just like IRL
So they should….
Who?
Neil who?
This guy is how most people depict god to look like 💀
Depends where you’re from lol
This actually is god
Yes hoodie god is my god
@@Schall-und-RauchI think old men with long hair just look like that my guy
@@Schall-und-Rauch he looks like the yeti from my singing monsters
"it's alive" many layers to that statement
Rick Rubin's voice is like silk. I need audio books narrated by the guy.
I know. Could listen to him forever. Have you heard his podcast?
He just had a book come out that he also does the narration for!
He just dropped an audiobook and it’s every bit as magical as you think
Love this comment
@@CHR_155 I bought the book and I'm on chapter 3. I didn't know he already narrated it.
“It’s alive”…. You can feel that
The other thing you have to remember. Humans are also analog. Your ears will hear things differently depending on whether they are fresh or not. After a few hours the stereocilia in your ear will start to lay down and not respond as well as they do at first. You loose high frequencies mostly. And that's before we even get into the psychological aspects of listening to music. Sometimes a song you love will sound boring or exciting just based off your mood.
Music is a trip lol
I don't like digital music
More so when producing music, the repetition and then getting used to the sound where you can’t hear it as good so you turn the volume up leading to more fatigue
@@gardensofthegods you must not listen to anything after 2000
Afaik we are “digital” bc our brains sample the environment constantly and make predictions based on that so the sound coming out the speaker is analog in the space and then digital in ur brain as it samples and fills in the gaps
Reminds me of that old married couple who both talk simultaneously back to you
Rick Rubin is such a cool guy
Neil looks like John Adams at the end of his career played by Paul giamate - it’s uncanny.
I like Paul giamate and his brother Jack Gia’Latte
Neil is also WOKE!! 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Looks like the character Steve buschemi played in mr deeds
@@seroogyw6238 Oh no.. anyways
@@wheresmycar9559 Oh No.. Anyways 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
rick is a guru of producing.
many of best albums passed by his hands.
I love how Rick is speaking over Neil lol
Neil is trying to talk over him
@@KyllDyll_ right
We should all speak over Neil.
Neil: "That's why the rough mix is the good mix. You have to do it the night of."
I never fully understood why Neil wouldn't let Al Schmitt mix "On The Beach" past the rough mixes. Now I know why. I always knew about the degradation of tape, but I don't think I realized how quickly it became apparent in the sound.
It doesn’t degrade that quickly. Maybe after years of sitting in a store room, the metallic particles oxidize. But what he is describing is cartoonish. He’s being pretentious
@@mikedowd66 Depending on the environment it's gonna oxidize quicker. Like in a high humidity or dry environment causes oxidation to happen faster in that environment
@@jaymac2702 Thanks for pointing out the obvious, but he’s making it sound like in a couple of days the sound is going to be different. Pretense.
@@mikedowd66 I admire artists genuinely trying to make the best-sounding records they can, even if their notions aren't closely tied to reality.
If the master tape degrades so much, that could explain why some feel CD remasters don't sound as good as an original vinyl pressing. But then you have people spending $45+ for new audiophile vinyl pressings made from those aging master tapes!? And the latest audiophile trend is spending hundreds of dollars for a reel-to-reel tape copy of the original master tapes to play on hot-rodded vintage two-track tape decks, because vinyl suffers multiple generations of distortion in cutting an acetate, making a stamper, then stamping out the vinyl. I've heard reel-to-reel tapes played on $$$$ stereos and they sound great... because they're playing on a $100,000 system.
Meanwhile others keep re-buying digital tracks at ever-higher sample rates (96 kHz, 192 kHz, 384 kHz, ...).
Love music more than equipment.
I think Neil's more emphasizing the "capturing the moment" aspect of a rough of first mix. Projects can quickly devolve and ideas/inspiration are often "lost in distillation". There are obviously cuts/edits to this conversation, I doubt he was referring entirely to recording medium in that moment.
Neil Young looks like a Baby Yoda through a funhouse mirror.
😂😂😂😂
I rarely laugh out loud but this did it.
Just spit out my coffee😂
@@BrendanWhelan same here!
Yep, Neil is physically degrading just like everyone when they get older. But just a warning to the young. Your mind gets stuck at around 35/40. So essentially you're young mind gets trapped in an old bod. It's not fun, believe me.
His voice is so soothing
The producer Daniel Lanois would sometimes bounce a mix off to a half inch 2 track analogue and right back into the workstation, just to get some analog beauty and colour into the sound.
I love Daniel Lanois
With the sound muted this looks like 3 guys discussing optimum soil acidity for tomato’s.
Rick rubin looking more like a wizard everyday
I get why analog sounds good. But a well done digital recording played on decent equipment can sound clean and warm too
Typically won’t sound warm, but will definitely sound clean and crisp.
@@Watermelon_Man Lol. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Ahh. I remember the good old days of splicing tape. I don't miss it one bit.
What’s the that ?
@@ventusmoses3428 It's the it.
@@paimei2339 word
No doubt
Even the Vintage Warmer type of plugins aren't able to catch that Feeling. Analog will never die. Because people are analog!
i love their enthusiasm
"Rick Rubin showed me transcendental meditation"
Never seen R.R. but after that line from Mac, and seeing him now. Fits
I’m always thinking of faces lines rn too it’s so weird what a weird album
Im surprised Neil agreed instead of going off about how it used to be better
Neil is all about going with the “current thing”.
@@bigsteed007 except when it comes to digital streaming or sharing spotify with podcasts
No he just wanted high quality digital. His whole rap was pono which was better than CD quality digital
Neil has 100 x boosters
Neil's face, realizing that digital in fact sounds fine.
This man is the Gandalf of music
You bet
Praise the DAW
Amen.
Amen
DAW and online courses can make you a multi-instrumentalist, producer and mixer without getting out of your own house. That's why nowadays we have so many one man band.
@@Qliphirot DAWs are the main reason for this low effort high volume era of music we’re in tho
@@gutsfiend6678 I honestly think that this is one of the best times to be a music fan
There has always been low effort music produced and released, but now we have a lot more freedom to pick what we listen to and ignore the stuff we don't like
I don't miss record labels and the radio stations they paid being the gatekeepers of taste
Two Legends.
If Neil says yeah then digital really won
That’s not what he’s saying tho my boy listen up. He said Shababnxbckdneshbesnwnwkgmgnsabhdkemedb. Thank you
That's funny, he's been railing against CDs since inception.
@@omg123ham He’s speaking in analog
Neil is a pile of trash that will say anything to make a buck. Surprised he hasn’t ran for office
@@DavidDarrow ouch. Great songwriter though
That's simply not how tape degradation works, but he had to convince Neil to record the album digitally somehow
based
dude Rubin doesnt know anything about anything having to do with recording. He doesn't. He is absolutely clueless.
@@thetruthchannel349 This might be one of the dumbest replies I've ever read. Congrats 👏🏻
@@LunaticTheCat *Youre not talking to me*
@@thetruthchannel349 I don't believe you believe what you wrote.
Rick is such a legend and he speaks with such passion and experience
I have some 4-track reel 2 reel stuff that sounds insanely good from 50 years ago. Store at well and don't leave it in hot sunny spots lol. And digital is my go to now
u my spirit animal
I've created plenty of analog bass on an Access Virus Ti2. I'm just an armature at this game. No one has ever told me, bro, your bass sound too digital. I could say it's coming from a Moog or Sequential Prophet. Matter of fact, when you DJ, you can't tell whether a mixer is a Xone 92 or a Pioneer DJM V10. Digital has gotten that good. Virtual analog is already and has been the future for some time.
Rick Ruben or Rick from pawn stars? You can't unsee or unhear it.
😮 I have been trying to think of what seems so familiar about Rubin for years!!! You just solved it for me!
Rick Rubin is the God of Audio and sonar at this point
Spoken like a true producer.
like a true boomer maybe
@@stevebanning902 bro it's Rick Rubin shut up
@@stevebanning902 The traditional 'boomer' take would be the opposite, that analogue is far superior because "ones and zeroes" can never replicate the emotion and nuances of the music.
He's not really a producer BTW but he is a legend
@@giannistaz hes literally the most famous record producer,engineer, mixer alive what are you talking about
Analog sounds so much better
Not even vaguely.
An absolute phenomenon
Love mr. Young's contribution to the conversation.
Rick Rubin was definitely Johannes Brahms in his past incarnation.
This blew my nugget🤯..i never thought about the tape recording degrading..especially that quick!
It doesnt. And there are things you can do to bring the tape back.
It does. They're talking about generation loss.
I freakin’ always love the Father Christmas show. What a legend.
This dude is glowing
“It’s alive…”
My man Rick has those dogs out and they are barking
Barefoot is the way of the grasshoppa
@@Scotland2306 Grasshoppa' will walk you thru the sands of Time and End the Enemies with 2 Feet and 1 Fist .
I'm no fan of Rick Rubin as a producer really, but he's absolutely right in what he's saying here. The more passes you make on a mix in analogue the more the signal degrades (note: they are not talking about age-related tape degradation). It makes it a tricky and risky medium to work with, and with how good digital recording processes are these days it isn't really worth it too often.
Plus, pretty much everything is going to digital mastering on CDs for the most part anyway, and digital to analogue mastering is likely a better option than all analogue even if you are looking to release vinyl.
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When I worked in the studio we used to record to two inch tape and then transfer it to 32 bit digital
At what frequence did you used for that, 44,100 khz?
@@drakonolus7922 48 kHz but nowadays you can use 96khz
This guy is a legend!!
Who is he
Things you can do with digital: raise the volume!
Things you can do with digital: save your settings
I’m pretty sure Rick Rubin was my mall Santa
And at other times he was the elf also
This human knows how to engage in conversations. If he has a book can someone comment a link? His mind is beyond in my opinion.
that first sentence u said there is confusing me could u clarify? thank u
@@helicopter_traffic thanks for looking out. I was high off my mind sorry.
He has a podcast with Malcolm Gladwell
@@kingsxkids Nice. I seen the whole interview with Kendrick and he had questions that I wouldn't have thought to ask. We can all learn to communicate with a Mentor like Rick Rubin.
He just release one it’s called “The Creative Act: A Way Of Being”
Rick has zero tan lines on his feet. He obviously never wears shoes and gets lots of fun. Sounds amazing
Quentin Tarantino enters the chat
I bet his feet are riipe
why are you worried about his feet
Couple of legends there
I have no clue what he's talking about but I could listen all day
He says that anolog recordings degrade over time meanwhile digital recordings stay the same.
RICK has probably worked on music you love, and you don't even realize it. That's how good he is.
That’s what everybody says but as soon as I look up his body of work only one word comes to mind. Mid
@@WatchingWithMyEyesClosedno u
@@WatchingWithMyEyesClosedhe’s worked on some absolutely perfect records, but his overall body is vaguely mid
@@WatchingWithMyEyesClosed He's really overrated; IMO the only superstar rock producer that isn't overrated is Albini. Rick Rubinsteinowits says himself that he doesn't even understand how to use a mixer. He's just from the tribe so the media props him up and the industry gets him the biggest names to work with.
@@joelglanton6531 thats a sad way to look at the world, hope you get better one day
The biggest difference between analog and digital is about two extra zeros on the price tag.
My boys discussing 2037-proofing our mixes
Hey it’s the balcony guys from the muppets
Zen Santa Clause here gave us some of the best music in history.
I can't get away from my analog equipment. S2000, emu e6400 ultra, roland vp 9000, kurzweil 2500rs. They just sound so good.
None of these industry guys are 100% in the box.
If you're recording analogue synths into a DAW, is it still truly analogue though once that signal is processed? Hard to remain 100% analogue unless recording onto tape, which is expensive and not practical in the least.
@@GusFogle Yes, the harmonic information is what's so great about analog gear. Vsts sound great, especially for modern music. If you make instrument heavy music like Funk, R&B..etc. You'll want an authentic feel, most people can't hear the difference anyway...they can feel it though.
I just love working with it. The sound they produce is awesome. Many top producers still use this equipment.
Technically they are still digital, but not like a computer program.
I use both. One of my favorite DnB producers showed a picture of his studio and had a Roland VP9000 and a E-MU 6400
So I found some on ebay/Craigslist and have enjoyed them ever since
Thank the great engineers (actual hands on) who worked on some of the greatest records, not the producer.
"Its alive." Whoa that split my brain.
Just like real beer and cheese.
“Its alive” holy shit
Much respect to this guy.
I agree, Neil Young is a legend.
It’s alive. That is awesome!
The new way to record it was crazy revolutionary
ITS ALIVE !!
Really wish there were apprentice programs that were upheld by the apprentice to loyalties fullest.
What?!
@@matturner6890 rinse and repeat.
Rubin: "There's a lot you can do with digital that's really convenient..."
Neil : "Yes. Uploading my Ghost soon"
digital has really caught up to analogue by now.
Rick Rubin is a legend. Great video.
it's funny....some people must not have had a Walkman growing up. A record sounds great....until it's made into a tape, played over the radio, then recorded onto another tape.
same thing with all analog media.
Barefoot is healthy! put your feet in the grass!!!! 👣
I think I read it increases serotonin and even helps blood pressure?
I'm an alcoholic so take that with a fat grain of salt lol.
Instructions unclear: stuck my feet in glass
Neil Young 💛.......such a huge part of my young, adult life. Thank you for all of the great music.
Ive always taken that for granted. Didn't know that was a thing
Niel once said long ago
The comparison is sorta like , a wet screen in the morning . In Analog
Each little wet square has a Rainbow in it
In Digital , each Square has only one color
Do all those rainbows make it sound better?
@@latentsea There's a reason why the best synth are still analog synth. Next level is being able get the best out of both worlds. But analog appeals to most ears because we're not machines.
Nice analogy, but more like the "rainbow of colors" are in the extreme ultraviolet part of the spectrum far beyond what you can actually see.
All the digital artifacts in a well-recorded CD are mathematically provably beyond hearing range. All the real-world deviations from that (jitter in the sampling clocks, non-linear deviations in the digital conversion, etc.) have been ironed out over the last 45 years.
I don't fault anyone buying a 96 kHz or higher-res digital track if they think it sounds better than CD, nor people who prefer vinyl for the sound. Some of my vinyl records sound great (played on a fairly high-end Rega turntable and Sumiko cartridge).
@@skierpage Analog's rainbow characterization comes from its continuous values. What digital gains in its transmission quality it loses to its intrinsic accuracy of the nuance of sound. And the endpoint, where the sound hits our senses, ie., human hearing, is entirely analog.
There's a reason why Rick Rubin would opt for analog synths in the creation of his music. Nonetheless, the digital storage of information is almost infallible over time, so it's the standard for storage of data. And that's really what Neil and Rick are saying, create on analog, then transfer to digital.
@@commodoor6549 Read the Wikipedia article on the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem. Just because you haven't understood it, doesn't mean it isn't provably true. There's an upper limit to the frequencies your analog ear can detect, therefore a digital signal can _perfectly_ match the analog signal. All the analogies of stair steps and imperfect 1s and 0s and gratings break down, because the discrepancies with the original signal all lie beyond the range of human hearing.
Santa clause knows a lot about how music works
The routing possibilities of Digital mixers is awesome.
What an amazing talent. So many of the bands he has worked with from the Beasties to Slayer to Cash is some of my favorite music. Incredible
Friendly reminder that Rick Rubin
Doesn't play any instruments
Hijacked CBGBs to get shows shut down with help of his father
Never really supported any musician or artist locally
Was part of the loud wars that destroyed music in the 00s
Yep I agree with you, Metallica's Death Magnetic was totally ruined by this guy.
😂😂
“It’s Alive!” 👏🙏🫶🤘
Neil young is so hypocritical it’s hilarious
What's he hypocritical about?
Trump lost
@@bradleyhayman2682and he’ll win again and you people will make J6 look like child’s play when you melt down over it.
Lol poor Neil, Rubins just talking over him like he doesn't know he's there.
I listen to this when I need to fall asleep 💤
Look up ‘overrated’ in the dictionary… This guy!!
There's three guys
Rubin's hackery is like the best kept secret in the music business especially among mix engineers and studio engineers. When he dies theyll be a million books written about how it really was with Rick.
i love this kinda talk.
Message received. Immediately print analog stems to digital
Bigfoot is alive
Rick Rubin really hates shoes.
Neil just trying to get a word in lol
It's Alive!!!! Rick R.
Release danzigs albums you have. The fans have spoken
Rick Ruben I'm on acid and you make me happy ;)
I did not decide to put the winky face but did decided not taking it back
how was ur trip
rick rubin: the guy who created the loudness wars
What does that mean
One word, compression
@@seanmatthewking Music is less dynamic nowadays than it used to be because of the philosophy that “louder music is more distinguishable on the radio”. This mostly true thought process ultimately backfired and became an ironic situation where now *everything* is loud, so none of it is more distinguishable.
It’s alive!
Digital media also degrades with time it just takes way more time.
Only if you don't back up. It can be infinite in theory, due to the ability to copy without degredation