I bought one of these units after seeing this review. I would highly recommend the SCW trigger and piston, it is a beautiful and durable set. You have to see it in person to appreciate how well made it is.
Thanks buddy, if I remember correctly it can be used, also can't remember if the rear of the plastic trigger guard needs to be trimmed but if it does its an even job 🙂
Springer Custom Works parts are very high quality. Imagine you're a kid and you get your hands on Hustler magazine. It's airsoft porn when you open the box to look at the parts. I have an M24 trigger and on another rifle the piston and the spring guide. Absolutely flawless the way they perform so far.
Hi there mate. I'm trying to copy your vsr build. I'm very new to this so please forgive me. I dont no what piston stem to get? 7mm or 9mm diameter? witch one did you use? Thank you mate.
@@AirsoftAfterHours Awesome! Thank you for the quick reply! EDIT: Follow up question, did you ever experiment with the air brake and how bad it dropped your fps?
@@airsoftjam94 I didn’t personally but some fellas I chat to told me that it dropped their FPS a little, it might depend on the setup to determine how much of a drop there would be. I opted for silence and I don’t game so mine is fully inserted. ^^
My VSR 10 build it feels like the cylinder needs a tiny push to engage with the hop up unit when I'm cocking the gun, is this normal? AA teflon cylinder and AA hop up unit.
The two plastic nubs on the the hop unit (either see through or black) need adjusting, the two screws on the hop unit can be adjusted so the nozzle inserts and engages smoother. If the two BB stoppers protrude too much they will block nozzle entry and sustain damage.
@@Greendore It's possible that the front of the cylinder head is sharp or has a micro lip, one thing I do with all my cylinder heads is sand with 3000 grit (and above) sand paper to make them buttery smooth. Inspect the BB stoppers for damage, do they look like they have rat bites on them or micro dents? this is an indicator of how the nozzle of the cylinder head interacts with them. Another couplet of nozzle catching on the BB stopper is play, if the cylinder has excess play in the rings, they will sometimes impact the BB stoppers at an awkward angle.
@@Greendore If you have to push the nozzle just a tiny bit harder to engage the BB stoppers, this is normal. If you have to really fight to engage, there is a problem. a little bit more effort to engage is completely normal. ^^
Hello, can you please tell me if the springer trigger is wider than the action army one. I tried to install the airsoftpro v4.1 in an aac t10 and it didn"t fit because it is fatter and it doesn"t have enough room in the stock. Thank"s
Hello my friend! The Springer Custom Works trigger is the same width as the Action Army trigger, but there are differences in shape. Main differences include: 1) Front section of the trigger housing is much lower on S.C.W unit. 2) The body of the S.C.W. trigger is lower around the trigger area. Despite these differences, the width is the same on both units. Have a great day! ^^
@@MrSmartstots I'd assume they are because JG Bar is just a clone of the VSR with lower quality parts but if you're going 90 degree you better get a 90 degree piston and spring guide and perhaps even a new receiver and cylinder.
NOTE!!!!! IF YOU ARE USING A VERY SRONG BUILD OR MILD BUILD ; YOU NEED TO USE THE (BLUE) THREAD LOCK ON ALL SCREWS . I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THEY WILL COME LOOSE AFTER A WHILE. I HAVE ALL LAYLAX IN MY TOKYO MARUI VSR10 G SPEC
Nairnster M I believe the screw acts as a thread protector only. I’m not sure if there are any side effects of not using one, but I ran mine for quite a while without one and couldn’t notice anything other than some grease inside the thread, do note I didn’t chrono the rifle without the thread protector either.
Hi there, so just about to purchase one of the pistons but the come in two flavours 7mm and 9mm. Any idea what (apart from the size) the difference is in the two in terms of operations? Cheers bud 👍🏻
Hi mate, the diameter is for the spring guide, the larger diameter one is for the larger springs (springs such as the big Pdi ones, iirc 13mm). Most springs on the market are the smaller size ones but the pdi “fat” springs are very highly regarded. Good luck with the build mate! ^^
Yes after a bit of head scratching I did work it out for myself. Initially I thought it was something to do with the piston itself but then realised why they were the sizes they were. Thanks for the reply and if I can find your socials ill throw a pic your way 😎👌
Please help! I just got this exact setup before watching this, and ordered it with the pdi spring, I don’t want to buy another spring so is there any way to make it work with the pdi spring? Thanks
Jmert 005 This is just a guess and its absolutely not tried or tested, but cutting down the spring a little “MAY” make it work. Of course if it doesn’t work the spring will be ruined as the FPS will be reduced. Your best bet is to return the spring for a refund if that is possible. Sorry for the bad news my friend.
AirsoftAfterHours I sent a message to the owner of SCW and he said that it may be because the spring guide is too thin and it moves around so I would have to put some kind of a metal tube or something over the spring guide. Does this sound accurate to you?
@@jmert0057 It's possible. Our spring did seem to "snake" left and right as it compressed in our setup which may benefit from a wider spring guide. If that is the problem then its a very simple fix! Only one way to find out ^^
AirsoftAfterHours I have decided that I am going to 3D print a sleeve for the spring guide so that it is the perfect size for the spring so that will work
Really depends on the spring, I would heavily suggest upgrading the cylinder and cylinder head to maximise the benefits of this awesome upgrade, have a good day my friend! ^^
Great video mate! Would you say it is significantly quieter over an AA piston? My vsr is upgraded with all AA parts including the trigger&piston kit you mentioned. It shoots great but boy is it loud! I am toying with the idea of buying this vsr piston and s.guide but never had an airbrake before so dont know just how much noise reduction they offer?
Good question! To our ears, here's the conclusion on two of my setups: Setup A: Action Army Piston with Action Army Trigger, Action Army Teflon Coated Cylinder, Action Army M130 Spring, Action Army Spring Guide. Setup A is quite loud with each shot sounding like a metallic "CLACK". The sound is quite intrusive the the ears. Setup B: Springer Custom Works Piston with airbrake installed, Springer Custom Works Trigger, Action Army Twisted Cylinder, A ring of silicone bathroom sealant on cylinder head (to act as cushion), Action Army M150 Spring
@@AirsoftAfterHours you sir are a legend! Thats so helpful thanks!! I was toying between sorbo padding my AA piston or buying the vsr twisted piston because of the airbrake and o-ring on the piston head. As sorbo pad kits are out of stock everywhere and this piston seems a good upgrade i think I'll try one. Liked and subbed! Thanks for your msg buddy, have a great day! :)
@@AirsoftAfterHours great to hear! I bought an AAC T0 for a different look so this is going to be the final touch i think. Thanks for your help and great vid series, watched them all and learnt a lot!
creamy_ sense Not very well, I’ve tried a 45 degree piston on a 90 degree piston (the opposite to what you are asking) and it worked but it’s not ideal, it catches and fires but it might be quite dangerous as it’s putting huge strain on the parts due to incorrect engagement angle.
Not too sure, as we haven't experimented with a JG BAR-10, only way to be sure is for someone to try it and report back, it will be an expensive trial though ^^
@@jeremicaron7341 Sorry for the very late reply, indeed we tested the trigger with the 90 degree blue piston, good news! it works as it should. The setup included: Action Army Teflon Coated Cylinder Action Army 90 degree piston (Blue version) SCW S-Trigger v9.1 Action Army Receiver SCW Spring Guide Action Army M150 Spring The piston catches and releases perfectly on our setup, I will say though, the seal and compression on the Action Army piston is hit or miss sometimes. Just before installing it, the main O'ring will function better if stretched VERY CAREFULLY and lubed liberally, it is also quite noisy when it contacts the cylinder head. The Springer Custom Works piston however is very very quiet and forms a near perfect seal every time without effort. But don't worry, the AA Blue piston will work as it should if that is what you've set your sights on, pun intended. Thanks for being patient and have loads of fun with the build! ^^
Astrobleme i have the zc leopard cylinder si im pretry sure it will fit, if not ill get myself the action armh one, and for the noise, my cylinder head has rubber pad inside to extend the life of the piston and the cylinder head itself, so it should fix the problem
Jérémi Caron Oops, I used the wrong channel to reply. Yeah some cushioning on the inside of the cylinder head will definitely help with sound suppression. We used some clear silicone and it made a huge difference. Have fun buddy 👍🏻
Lasse Holm We went with an Action Army M150. Check out all the build episodes, lots of real good info on regarding this build, and thanks for watching ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours i saw it at the next vid 😂 im Ussing maple leaf crazy jet barrel and a m190 spring and it only goes 1.8j with 0.45g before the new barrel i use AA 6.01 with at m170 spring and i got 3.2j with 0.45g. U Know why?
Lasse Holm Lots of variables in those two setups but my first guess would be an air sealing issue, did you try a compression test on both setups? My second guess would be the hop up setting may have played a part in the inconsistency but not to that degree of variance.
fictioncel s So sorry to hear that, could you be more specific? It would really help the Airsoft community if you gave the particulars of the event, details such as all parts included in the build and specifically which part broke.
@@AirsoftAfterHours I actually fixed it. The piston was screwed in too tightly(it was restraining the sear form moving) so I took it out and screwed it back in. Then removed the safety mechanism as it was blocking the trigger. I have a v2 so mabye that's why I had this issue.
Thank you for very nice review !
Our pleasure! Thank you for making such an incredibly well engineered product! ^^
It got me to order from you guys! I can't wait till the parts get to the US!
Hi I got a problem, the o-ring that goes at the top of the piston got loose and broke inside the cylinder. How can I fix that?
@@ennpty you can use spare supplied with piston or replace with new oring 18x2mm ( 18mm inside diameter, 2mm thickness )
@@Gersprin thanks a lot, also any tip so the ring doesn't come off again? Btw I got both the scw piston and trigger and I love them❤️
I bought one of these units after seeing this review. I would highly recommend the SCW trigger and piston, it is a beautiful and durable set. You have to see it in person to appreciate how well made it is.
Fantastic. Thank you!
I got mine but there is no paint on the trigger spring guide stopper or sear and some small blemishes on those parts
Quick question, would this build fit into a Mapple Leaf MLC S-2 stock?
I honestly can't remember and wouldn't like to misinform you, so sorry I couldn't be of more help, ^^
great video! just seeing this 4 years later...One question, can the stock trigger gaurd be used with this unit?
Thanks buddy, if I remember correctly it can be used, also can't remember if the rear of the plastic trigger guard needs to be trimmed but if it does its an even job 🙂
Springer Custom Works parts are very high quality. Imagine you're a kid and you get your hands on Hustler magazine. It's airsoft porn when you open the box to look at the parts. I have an M24 trigger and on another rifle the piston and the spring guide. Absolutely flawless the way they perform so far.
Hi there mate. I'm trying to copy your vsr build. I'm very new to this so please forgive me. I dont no what piston stem to get? 7mm or 9mm diameter? witch one did you use? Thank you mate.
Hi mate! IIRC it was the 7mm spring guide rod ^^
Cheers pal.
Great review
The piston with airbreak. Is is compatible for Double bell VSR10?
Depends on which cylinder and cylinder head you use, I would highly suggest you upgrade those two if spending money on this piston. ^^
*13:44** It will last beyond us!* 💀
Just out of curiosity did the air brake for the piston fit inside the AA cylinder head?
Like a glove, without issue 👍🏻
@@AirsoftAfterHours Awesome! Thank you for the quick reply!
EDIT: Follow up question, did you ever experiment with the air brake and how bad it dropped your fps?
@@airsoftjam94
I didn’t personally but some fellas I chat to told me that it dropped their FPS a little, it might depend on the setup to determine how much of a drop there would be. I opted for silence and I don’t game so mine is fully inserted. ^^
My VSR 10 build it feels like the cylinder needs a tiny push to engage with the hop up unit when I'm cocking the gun, is this normal? AA teflon cylinder and AA hop up unit.
The two plastic nubs on the the hop unit (either see through or black) need adjusting, the two screws on the hop unit can be adjusted so the nozzle inserts and engages smoother. If the two BB stoppers protrude too much they will block nozzle entry and sustain damage.
@@AirsoftAfterHours It turns out my outer barrel was screwed in 1 turn to much. Now it engages smoothly
@@AirsoftAfterHours With the BB stopper screws they are as loose as they can be before stopping the chamber fit into the outer barrel.
@@Greendore It's possible that the front of the cylinder head is sharp or has a micro lip, one thing I do with all my cylinder heads is sand with 3000 grit (and above) sand paper to make them buttery smooth. Inspect the BB stoppers for damage, do they look like they have rat bites on them or micro dents? this is an indicator of how the nozzle of the cylinder head interacts with them. Another couplet of nozzle catching on the BB stopper is play, if the cylinder has excess play in the rings, they will sometimes impact the BB stoppers at an awkward angle.
@@Greendore If you have to push the nozzle just a tiny bit harder to engage the BB stoppers, this is normal.
If you have to really fight to engage, there is a problem. a little bit more effort to engage is completely normal. ^^
Hello, can you please tell me if the springer trigger is wider than the action army one. I tried to install the airsoftpro v4.1 in an aac t10 and it didn"t fit because it is fatter and it doesn"t have enough room in the stock. Thank"s
Hello my friend! The Springer Custom Works trigger is the same width as the Action Army trigger, but there are differences in shape.
Main differences include:
1) Front section of the trigger housing is much lower on S.C.W unit.
2) The body of the S.C.W. trigger is lower around the trigger area.
Despite these differences, the width is the same on both units. Have a great day! ^^
Thank you very much for the info. Btw great vid , looking forward to the next one.
@@pinksky411 hey did you ever find out as I'm now looking at the same with a T10
does anyone know if this trigger box fits the ssg10 a1 from novritsch?
Are all of the parts used in this series JG BAR 10 compatible?
I would like to know the same thing
@@MrSmartstots I would hazard a guess that it is but I don't know for sure. Play it safe
@@goosegg4653 Ok cheers dude, still awaiting for it to arrive!
@@MrSmartstots I'd assume they are because JG Bar is just a clone of the VSR with lower quality parts but if you're going 90 degree you better get a 90 degree piston and spring guide and perhaps even a new receiver and cylinder.
@@goosegg4653 thinking of buying action army trigger and action army hop unit
NOTE!!!!!
IF YOU ARE USING A VERY SRONG BUILD OR MILD BUILD ; YOU NEED TO USE THE (BLUE) THREAD LOCK ON ALL SCREWS . I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THEY WILL COME LOOSE AFTER A WHILE. I HAVE ALL LAYLAX IN MY TOKYO MARUI VSR10 G SPEC
Thanks for the tip rusty! Good info, it's always safe practice to secure the screws when going for slightly higher end builds. ^^
@rustywalters80
If not using the airbrake, do you have to fit thr grub screw, or can you leave it out? And what is the effect of fitting /not fitting thr grub screw?
Nairnster M
I believe the screw acts as a thread protector only. I’m not sure if there are any side effects of not using one, but I ran mine for quite a while without one and couldn’t notice anything other than some grease inside the thread, do note I didn’t chrono the rifle without the thread protector either.
what lube do you use on the spring guide stopper
At the time of lubing, I used a very heavy silicone lubricant which was almost like a paste. ^^ iirc it was made by Abbey
@@AirsoftAfterHours ok thanks
Hi there, so just about to purchase one of the pistons but the come in two flavours 7mm and 9mm. Any idea what (apart from the size) the difference is in the two in terms of operations?
Cheers bud 👍🏻
Hi mate, the diameter is for the spring guide, the larger diameter one is for the larger springs (springs such as the big Pdi ones, iirc 13mm). Most springs on the market are the smaller size ones but the pdi “fat” springs are very highly regarded. Good luck with the build mate! ^^
Yes after a bit of head scratching I did work it out for myself. Initially I thought it was something to do with the piston itself but then realised why they were the sizes they were. Thanks for the reply and if I can find your socials ill throw a pic your way 😎👌
Please help! I just got this exact setup before watching this, and ordered it with the pdi spring, I don’t want to buy another spring so is there any way to make it work with the pdi spring? Thanks
Jmert 005
This is just a guess and its absolutely not tried or tested, but cutting down the spring a little “MAY” make it work. Of course if it doesn’t work the spring will be ruined as the FPS will be reduced. Your best bet is to return the spring for a refund if that is possible. Sorry for the bad news my friend.
AirsoftAfterHours I sent a message to the owner of SCW and he said that it may be because the spring guide is too thin and it moves around so I would have to put some kind of a metal tube or something over the spring guide. Does this sound accurate to you?
@@jmert0057
It's possible. Our spring did seem to "snake" left and right as it compressed in our setup which may benefit from a wider spring guide. If that is the problem then its a very simple fix! Only one way to find out ^^
AirsoftAfterHours I have decided that I am going to 3D print a sleeve for the spring guide so that it is the perfect size for the spring so that will work
Jmert 005
Perfect! Let us know how it goes 👍🏼
I’m hoping to use this same combo in a stock TM vsr, will I need a new cylinder? Or can I just use the stock one? Awesome review btw 👌
Really depends on the spring, I would heavily suggest upgrading the cylinder and cylinder head to maximise the benefits of this awesome upgrade, have a good day my friend! ^^
Can you tell how that piston works with a pdi Palsonate Cylinder?
Mario M
Hi, I believe that combination will have issues and the piston will require modification to work. Thanks for viewing!
@@AirsoftAfterHours thanks for the reply, keep the great work up :)
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can you please tell me the dimensions of scw piston??
Great video mate! Would you say it is significantly quieter over an AA piston? My vsr is upgraded with all AA parts including the trigger&piston kit you mentioned. It shoots great but boy is it loud! I am toying with the idea of buying this vsr piston and s.guide but never had an airbrake before so dont know just how much noise reduction they offer?
Good question! To our ears, here's the conclusion on two of my setups:
Setup A:
Action Army Piston with Action Army Trigger,
Action Army Teflon Coated Cylinder,
Action Army M130 Spring,
Action Army Spring Guide.
Setup A is quite loud with each shot sounding like a metallic "CLACK". The sound is quite intrusive the the ears.
Setup B:
Springer Custom Works Piston with airbrake installed,
Springer Custom Works Trigger,
Action Army Twisted Cylinder,
A ring of silicone bathroom sealant on cylinder head (to act as cushion),
Action Army M150 Spring
@@AirsoftAfterHours you sir are a legend! Thats so helpful thanks!! I was toying between sorbo padding my AA piston or buying the vsr twisted piston because of the airbrake and o-ring on the piston head. As sorbo pad kits are out of stock everywhere and this piston seems a good upgrade i think I'll try one. Liked and subbed! Thanks for your msg buddy, have a great day! :)
@@SimpleGamer-
You will love this piston! The air sealing we're getting is insane!!! Have a good weekend buddy! all the best ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours great to hear! I bought an AAC T0 for a different look so this is going to be the final touch i think. Thanks for your help and great vid series, watched them all and learnt a lot!
Hello will the trigger fit straight on a AAC T10 without any mods
Sorry but we haven't tried that install before ^^
does a 90 degree piston works on a 45 degree trigger ?
creamy_ sense
Not very well, I’ve tried a 45 degree piston on a 90 degree piston (the opposite to what you are asking) and it worked but it’s not ideal, it catches and fires but it might be quite dangerous as it’s putting huge strain on the parts due to incorrect engagement angle.
what is the fps on the action army spring
Averell Chen
In a standard setup with 430mm inner barrel, the Action Army M150 spring will give about 510fps depending on parts.
@@AirsoftAfterHours Thanks!
Hello there. Is this comparable with my JG BAR-10?
Not too sure, as we haven't experimented with a JG BAR-10, only way to be sure is for someone to try it and report back, it will be an expensive trial though ^^
yes it is, BAR--10 replica of VSR-10
Any suggestions on where i can buy this trigger
FyN3zT- BoBBy
www.springercustomworks.com/strigger-vsr
Currently out of stock until next batch though.
Would this trigger work with action army blue 90 degree piston
I’ll get back to you, will test it later tonight after work for you. I happen to have all the pieces on my work bench today. 👍🏻
@@AirsoftAfterHours have you managed to try it out ?
@@jeremicaron7341
Sorry for the very late reply, indeed we tested the trigger with the 90 degree blue piston, good news! it works as it should. The setup included:
Action Army Teflon Coated Cylinder
Action Army 90 degree piston (Blue version)
SCW S-Trigger v9.1
Action Army Receiver
SCW Spring Guide
Action Army M150 Spring
The piston catches and releases perfectly on our setup, I will say though, the seal and compression on the Action Army piston is hit or miss sometimes. Just before installing it, the main O'ring will function better if stretched VERY CAREFULLY and lubed liberally, it is also quite noisy when it contacts the cylinder head. The Springer Custom Works piston however is very very quiet and forms a near perfect seal every time without effort. But don't worry, the AA Blue piston will work as it should if that is what you've set your sights on, pun intended.
Thanks for being patient and have loads of fun with the build! ^^
Astrobleme i have the zc leopard cylinder si im pretry sure it will fit, if not ill get myself the action armh one, and for the noise, my cylinder head has rubber pad inside to extend the life of the piston and the cylinder head itself, so it should fix the problem
Jérémi Caron
Oops, I used the wrong channel to reply.
Yeah some cushioning on the inside of the cylinder head will definitely help with sound suppression. We used some clear silicone and it made a huge difference.
Have fun buddy 👍🏻
Do you have any of these zero triggers for sale?
Aidin Freeland
Our store currently only sells BBs, it’s very limited at the moment as we’ve only just opened it.
Many thanks for watching! ^^
What spring did u use? AA m170 spring?
Lasse Holm
We went with an Action Army M150.
Lasse Holm
We went with an Action Army M150. Check out all the build episodes, lots of real good info on regarding this build, and thanks for watching ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours i saw it at the next vid 😂 im Ussing maple leaf crazy jet barrel and a m190 spring and it only goes 1.8j with 0.45g before the new barrel i use AA 6.01 with at m170 spring and i got 3.2j with 0.45g. U Know why?
Lasse Holm
Lots of variables in those two setups but my first guess would be an air sealing issue, did you try a compression test on both setups?
My second guess would be the hop up setting may have played a part in the inconsistency but not to that degree of variance.
@@AirsoftAfterHours i Will try that
Sir how much for that?
It fix for Dbell Vsr10?
It broke after one shot...
fictioncel s
So sorry to hear that, could you be more specific? It would really help the Airsoft community if you gave the particulars of the event, details such as all parts included in the build and specifically which part broke.
@@AirsoftAfterHours I actually fixed it. The piston was screwed in too tightly(it was restraining the sear form moving) so I took it out and screwed it back in. Then removed the safety mechanism as it was blocking the trigger. I have a v2 so mabye that's why I had this issue.
fictioncel s
That’s good to know, glad you managed to sort it and thanks very much for sharing! 👍🏼