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So she’s saying “homosexuals” are behaving like animals😂
i was not familiar with ur game 😂
Dang it!! 😂
They are indeed.
They replace animals with "nature" to sound normal
They look up to a homo org utan....
Animals also eat thier own poop.
Try eating my wife's cooking.
So do humans. But, personally I think it is unfair to judge those animals by our human standards.
@@bg3841who does that?
@apathy526 It's a kink. Called scat play. Most people just rub it on themselves, but some eat it.
@vinnieleader savage 💀
Moral message : Just because you can, it doesn't mean you should. 😂
Fr
Exactly 👍🏾 Just because we can eat meat and animal products, doesn’t mean we should.
Just because weed/alcohol/drugs are vegan we should consume it!!
If you're Christian, your chance of divorcing is greater than any other religion and atheist even put together with all their percentages.
2023 stats.
So, I agree with your sentiment, and would like to say "please, Christians, just because you CAN get married, doesn't mean you should. Stop thinking about what OTHER people do in the bedroom."
No the question is how does being gay harm anyone?
Backfired at it best 😂
animals not paying taxes bro then why are we bro 😭😭
You don't have to pay taxes. Go live in the woods or on the street. Problem solved.
But if you want to get benefits from a society, you will have to pay taxes.
I am not claiming that every tax makes sense to me.
@@oliveryt7168 benefits from the society?
Aren't we already paying for those "benefits" ?
You are an Animal, And ask Kent Hovind why we pay taxes 🙀
Animals do pay taxes. With their lives lol we have been eating them forever.
@@Strawzberriez *wild* animals?
“ the ability to speak does not make you intelligent “ - Qui Gon Gin
“Okeeeday”!
She's living proof this statement is so true
@@jamesfountain6183 facts
He logically countered homosexuality !!!
He can't help it. He's just an idiot
"You wanna go to that? Oh lets go to that." 😆 He knew he had her.
Homosexuality being present in nature is a counter to the argument that homosexuality is "unnatural", not that animals behaviors should be used as a basis for human morality.
Bro that’s what the debate was about this was just a clip
Incest being present in nature is also a counter to that incest is unnatural. Make it legal then?
@@theflippingcoin975 No, because nature should not be used as a basis for morality. It means incest isn't unnatural, but it is immoral and unethical.
it's unnatural because even in animal world, that behaviour is minor, . again, we can't make the minority/something exceptional as a standard, .
@@theflippingcoin975”It happends in nature” is not same in this comparison. If you look into how it is with homosexuality among animals. And you can always say something absurd that happends in the nature as an example. That is the not even a fair or fruitful debate.
Saying homosexuality occurs in nature is simply an objection to saying it is unnatural
Spot on
But what's natural is dependent on species. Black widows eat the male after mating, but for a lion to do that, we'd worry about the health of that lion.
@@ha.alamin of course. But what is observed is that other species that display social structures and have a higher degree of intelligence,( such as other primates or dolphins ) display homosexual behaviours in the wild. Its not an exclusively human thing. To claim its unnatural adopts a burden of proof which i dont think can be demonstrated well enough to outweigh the fact that it occurs plentifully in nature.
@@unseen289And saying that it's natural is an objection to saying it is unmoral, which is very clearly what the woman believes as she was stunned. Spot on?
@@Yesna yes spot on, she was using it as an argument of morality
He just proved with her argument that homosexuality is animal behavior 😂
We are animals, genius. Everything we do is, by definition, animal behavior.
@@Erickhetfield indeed. But we are sentient animals. We are civilized animals. We are different from other animals you want human to categorize with. Unless you are fine with naked on the open, screaming unintelligently like wild animals, fk and sht in the open, then by all means agree with that yourself. Choose your next word wisely, genius.
You're an animal not all of us
Sex whether heterosexual or homosexual is an animal behaviour. She presented a bad argument though.
Eating and pooping is also animal behavior. I guess it should be illegal for humans?
Still debating homosexuality in 2024...Get over it!
Whatever year it is, it doesn’t change what it’s always was.
@@czetuhlike the dab givin cringe vibes for example, always has
Get over it, there are only 2 sex and 2 gender. Male & female, man & woman. Done. 😎
After a thousand year you're still be gay and cringe as f 😂 nothings changing bruh
@@ajidamarjatiWho the hell talked about genders? 💀
She's debating the fact that homophobes describe homosexuality as unnatural, which is objectively wrong. Clearly she wasn't saying we should base our values and morals on animal behaviour ....
yes, but she cant articulate that. She is just parrotting what she heard elsewhere
@@Tastingo117 how was that not articulate ? You understood it, I understood it. Seems pretty articulate to me
We say the same thing about incest
Are you going to say but cats do it so it's normal
The short answer humans should have a totally different standard not based on animals behaviors
@abdelrahmankhaled124 do you have reading comprehension skills ? That's not the issue she was debating.
She was clearly debunking the tired false idea that homosexuality is not a naturally occurring phenomenon. At what point did she or I say we should start acting like animals ? That wasn't the question
Tbh,I've never seen two cows scissoring.
What's worse then a girl running with scissors. Two girls scissoring with the runs.....
😂😂
How the hell would that look like..🤣🤣
😂😂😂
I have but I took alot of LSD before hand so... results may vary
Either accept all animals do as moral for humans or don't talk about it when you have no reason other than "well animals do it".
porfit of aslam was antimate with a ninne yore old.
@matthewn2559 do u think we care about these kind of comments? 😂😂 our religion has been under scrutiny since second 1. We have thicker skin then your uncircumcised bacon skin 😂😂
@@matthewn2559How did you misspell every single word in this sentence, it’s incredible
@@matthewn2559I think you should first learn to read and write. Then study and do research before asking a question Hamza has answered too many times.
@@MB_X As the Bible teaches when you reject the Gospel and accept sin and sinful practices like Islam your heart will become hardened. Anyone who defends a grown man being intimate with a 9 year old child is a reprobate who will burn in Hell.
Why does anybody care what anybody else does. It’s not hurting anyone. Gay people are not recruiting people to be gay. It is not a choice, why would anybody choose majority to hate them for loving someone. The world would be a better place if everyone would mind their own business
I get your point, although the video is not wrong.
Gay is gay, and I respect it, they have their right to live peacefully and by the rules.
It's just that, according to the video, it's a good point! You can't base your morality based on how animals behave.
Still, it doesn't mean gay people don't deserve respect and all of the civil rights.
It's not the video, it's how they use the video. That's evil indeed.
When you only know 1fact but no story to support it.
10 minutes later someone says, eating animals is wrong and Hamza reply "lions do it".
HAHAHAHAHA
Are you gay?
How's eating animals wrong? At least the animals killed fast without pain. Rabbits are slowly starving to death because vegans keep eating their food. That's pretty painful in my opinion
But eating animals is not wrong…. because we need their meat to grow. Plants kill more animals…
We are all living creatures so there's bound to be similarities between human and animal standards, like we are all drink water and breath air. Doesn't mean we have to completely adopt animal standards. Heck even the standard between animals can be different, if you aren't negligent, cat and dog foods are different
This is the reason why chickens always starting their day screaming
I'm not even gay but I think the point is that if an animal is gay, then it's a genetic precursor. Then to try and compare that to behaviour is completely wrong in my opinion.
homosexuality is not genetic, it has been disproven. Its just a population control mechanism that nature triggers hen a population grows to much.
So it's not sexual orientation, it's animal orientation.
homosexuality is a natural mechanism of population control, which occurs by embiromental causes... like, too many people on a city.
"animals do it"
💀💀💀
Who created animals? 💀💀💀
@@Darkpill-2God, duh.
@@adnanejamai7296 but god doesn’t like sin? Yet he makes animals that sin. 💀💀💀
@@Darkpill-2they wont go to hell as they have no book or prophet to tell them right from wrong so your argument is false
@@Darkpill-2 red herring
Prince. Do you really want to go there?!! 😂😂😂😂. Demolished
Christian Prince?😂
Hamza will never debate CP, and Hijab will soon run from Sam.
@@zane4575 who would debate a homeless kid with clown attitude anyway.
Pick someone better
@@Yeah_ItsYou Hamza debates clowns with zero knowledge of the Gospel and then makes 30 second tik tok vids for allah.
His talent is baiting the truly ignorant, and Muslims love it, the easiest and cheapest validation there is.
@@zane4575 like Christian Prince?
Yeah no wonder why everyone volunteer that clown prince. Totally misleaded their own teachings
It's like saying, "if that's gonna be allowed, why aren't the other things allowed?"👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻I like that response.
When ALLAH (SWT) Says in the Qur’an that we are His Best Creations. Understand that.
But creation could choose gender? huh ape ni?
Muslime beten Götzen (Steine) an 🤷🤷🤷
Anyone who obsesses over what two people do in their own bedroom is way weirder than two consenting adults having sex
People obsessing what other people think about THEIR decisions and demanding the world change to accommodate them is wild too.
@@EverythingN.NothingWhen were you asked to change anything about your life for someone's sex life?
@@EverythingN.Nothing The only people obsessing about anything is your side of the aisle there
@hiiilexi6558 What's my side? Why you worried about what I think? You're proving my point.
@@EverythingN.Nothing No, it really doesn't. What do you have to change to accommodate someone being gay?
It is SOOOOOOO easy to destroy their arguments. Problem is: they repeat without thinking.
Dont be so tough on him, he probably made a sign and everything
To destroy the arguments in defense of homosexuality? Damm your a cold hearted bastard
It was Soooo easy to destroy the strawman. Her point is: It's not unnatural behaviour. But hey, what do evangelicals know?
@@iamTheSnark 1ncest, grape, cannibalism etc are all natural and more common that homosexual acts in nature. So what is your point exaclty?
Well Claudio ,critical thinking has never been a strong suite of the Left,that's for sure.
So he still didn't answer why is homosexuality "immoral"…
What is morality?
It’s all entirely subjective. A thing thiests don’t understand
Youre like, yess the time has come for this dialogue. Lets do all the things that you wanna do. 😂
I've seen a moose humping a sign that looked like a moose. 😂
that was me
🤦♀️🤦♀️😂🤣
I saw a cow jumping a motorbike on CZcams. I put that the motorbike was a Cowasaki.I didn't get one like.😂😂
Moose blow up doll?
Certain penguins species will have sex with a severed female head on a ski pole
I will never understand homophobic people
Good..
maybe because it's not a phobia
I don’t think anyone is scared or fears us.
@@phatlewt2932 So stupid.
@@oggyoggy1299 so because the word have phobia in it you instantly make a assumption of the words meaning?
Do you know what homophobia means? Doesn't seem like it.
Its not about fear of homosexuality.
I've heard a man, a former elementary school teacher in principal, claim the right to pee on a street...
They tried hard to be like " ANIMALS" 😂😂😂
"forced coitus" is also heavily present in the animal kingdom. Just because animals do it doesn't make it okay for us.
What's forced coitus?
RAP3, but you can't say that on CZcams lolz. There's 101 ways to say things now cus of all these dumb word bans.
@@businessallday 💀💀💀
@@businessallday ah makes sense, thanks for explaining!
@@SF-jf3xv no problem 👍
It was checkmate 8 moves ago, she just didn’t know it yet 😂
(Edited): I’m getting some dense people in the replies, trying to side with her point but don’t even realise they’re proving his point and making her look more stupid 😂😂
She is saying it's natural, not that we should do everything animals do.
He's pretending she believes "bEcAuSe aNiMaLs dO iT, I sHoUlD bE alLoWeD tO dO It". But that's a strawman. She's actually just showing how it's natural, not some mental human plague. And since it doesn't harm anyone, what's wrong with people being that way?
Be careful not to fall for bad arguments like the one this guy presents, even if you are on his side
@@iispezza1792 But it's NOT natural, just cause an animal does it doesn't mean it's automatically natural because that'd apply animals are not capable of doing anything that's not natural and that'd be an incredibly stupid statement to make. Overwhelmingly most, if not all animals mate with the main purpose to reproduce and pass on their genes, and not for pleasure like humans, so that would just contradict the animals natural instinct behaviour; an animal can't CONSCIOUSLY be homosexual and also CONSCIOUSLY mate with the purpose of reproducing offsprings, the animal has to be UNCONSCIOUSLY aware of one or both, which would mean it's not natural at all. So when you see animals behaving like that on a rare occasion don't assume it's natural because that's just low iQ thinking.
And most people really don't care who wants to be homosexual in their own private lives as long as they're happy as humans with precious lives like everyone else but arguing that because they're rare times animals do it so it must be natural, that's just the definition of being naive and ignorant, simple critical thinking will tell you if it's natural behaviour it'll most likely be common behaviour and if it's not common behaviour then it's probably not natural behaviour.
@iispezza1792, it's not a bad argument because you can't base human morality on the actions of animals.
@@papayawasafo-adjei3570 same way you can’t base what’s natural on animal behaviour that’s not even remotely close to being common or logical.
@TheTopStarz the topic of discussion is what is moral, and not what is natural. Morality is something that exists among humans, not animals
Homosexuality is fine. FORCING homosexuality is wrong.
"You want to go to that, CAUSE I DO!"
That's the difference between learning information to support an agenda and learning information to evolve to a fact. This is why feelings are not decision making tools. 💯
True, he is using his feelings to drive his narrative
Then why do conservatives let their feelings try and drive policy on the LGBTQ community? Just because they don't have the guts to come out of the closet.
They never show the videos where they speak with someone that can actually defend their position. I would tell him to stop interrupting or I would no longer engage.
Homosexuality is sickening
@@costascostas1760 Bot.
I mean as someone who respects everyone equally and has no problems with homosexuality, she really makes the worst argument.
Its not her made up argument.. We have seen many woke people bringing this argument to debates..
I mean i have nothing against homosexuality. I think it's completely okay to be gay. It's just that the point of "it's natural, animals do it." is a horrible reason to defend it because animals do a lot of things that aren't okay for humans. The point she's trying to make is to speak for homosexuality being okay and NOT it being natural because there are a lot of natural things that aren't okay in our society.
That's why while i'm on her side in the argument on whether homosexuality is okay or not, the point she makes couldn't be any worse.
All there is to it is that people are free to engage in sex with whoever they want as long as there's consent.
And yeah I agree I think there's absolutely no defense as to why homosexuality wouldn't be okay besides religion. @@aadd2935
REAL
Not really💀homophobes literally say it’s unnatural. She’s saying it’s not
Maybe she's looking a self personality about herself... go and enjoy yourself but don't cry later about it . 😮
Roger you have blossomed, sounding articulate and have gone through the humble phase. You and I met in High Wycombe and had a big row.
He got her gasping for air...😂
Her argument is that homosexuality happens in nature, opposing the common argument that it is "unnatural". She is not arguing about the morality of homosexuality.
It happens in nature so?
@@joshua50101 That was what the discussion is about. The homophobe in the video cut out the part he wanted.
So? Everything that happens in nature is correct?
He's also saying the other points in nature to so eat your babies bang ur familys etc etc
@jesusflorez9066 no, he's got a point. The issue is you both don't understand the word "natural" the same. He says natural is what's present in nature. Which is right, things like this occur. End of story.
On the other hand, using something being "natural" as being good is a fallacy. Hurricanes, earthquakes and diseases are natural and yet somehow we don't promote them as good and healthy.
Tl;Dr natural does not equal good or bad, it means it exists in the nature.
She's not saying it's moral she's saying it's natural...
But Hamza's gotta Strawman.
Every being / animal has its trait or in nature to do certain things…dog licks his testicles, pigs roll around in faeces and eat it too, etc…
I understand your point, but does it really change the argument? Some animals and humans are cannibals, or enjoy killing things, should they be socially acceptable?
It's "natural"
She’s clearly implying that there’s no reason to be against it because it’s natural for animals to do it. He’s arguing that being natural to animals means fuckall.
It's natural to eat our babies?
News flash dear and bears are now getting along greatly and having dearcubs squirrels and cats are now a new species as well. 😅😅😅
What adults do with other consenting adults is no one's business but their own.
She doesn't understand her own argument.
She understands it perfectly.
@@MrSuperJaskirat No she doesn't 😂it's not done for sexual reasons in nature it's done to establish and create dominance in 99.9% of the cases. No sexual urges about it all about being top dog so to speak 😂
She does, she is just used to people calling homosexuality unnatural, so then she provides an example as to why it is natural in our world only for the same people to then turn around and decide that the "natural" argument doesnt fit their narrative anymore.
@@Cheddar.0420
Doesn't mean animals don't hump the same sex for sexual purposes as well...
The argument that it's "unnatural"is useless if it's a common thing in nature. It's a stupid argument to begin with because everything we do is natural since we are part of nature lol
@@Cheddar.0420 wrong, same sex pair bonding is common in nature
"its not natural"
"But it is. A bunch of other animals do it too, besides us."
"Oh, so you want to be like an animal?"😐
We are animals loool different breed tho smarter
We were monkey apes before ….
But animales eat, and defend themselves, and do things like us, so just because there is some things that are not good for us that means everything that an animal does is bad for us to do?
In some sense are we all acting like an animal in some way.
@@lookingforstars When a dog pukes, he licks it all up from the floor again. You can start experimenting with that by yourself.. maybe you are a dog.. who knows.. that would go into the eating aspect you mentioned.
He's using manipulative arguementation strategies, because his opinion is too stupid to be supported by simple logical arguements.. He's arguing against something she didn't even say, which is called "Strawman-technique"
Islam is crystal clear for those with open heart ☝️
He is still respectful by using "ridiculous" instead of "stupid".
I'm not sure it's possible to be a respectful homophobe
He is also dishonest because he went from natural-unnatural to moral-immoral which is not the point of women statement.
Her point is true, though she lacks experience to debate it.
@jgddhkkhvc I personally despise everything about religion, so I will have to disagree. A healthy mind is a happy one, and shunning people who want to mind their own business and love who they love while calling them "dirty beings" isn't what Jesus wanted from you. What happened to treating everyone equally?
@jgddhkkhvc mind telling me which religion you follow, then? Either way, all 3 of the major Abrahamic religions are full of hatred and lies, so it doesn't really matter. If God is the ones establishing "rules" on this Earth, then he is imperfect. His rules cause chaos, hatred, and controversy. So our desires and our whole being means nothing? Doesn't sound like God loves us. Our existence is literally everything to us, as when we die there's nothing else. This is our one life. Heaven is a fantasy made up by people who fear death. Believing that this life is simply a test is idiotic and harmful to yourself and others. Focusing only on what a fake magic man in the sky wants you to do instead of your own actual life will make said life meaningless.
@@thatguy2521 the definition of homophobic is "having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people." Don't try to argue about a topic you're not educated on.
So I read about two male penguins at a New York zoo who were said to be "gay". The reasoning was that they took a young one in to care for it. The further I read, I found about halfway through the article it says "not necessarily sexual activity". Their claim was because it took in a young penguin. The article said they were homosexual because they took to caring for this young one. Well what they didn't realize is that male penguins do this in nature, while the females go off and hunt while the males take care of the pack!It doesn't make them homosexual. Besides, I have never seen nor heard of animals giving oral sex to one another. I don't think it happens you might see a dog humping, a leg or another dog or a tree limb or the couch. That also doesn't make them queer. Makes them dumb animals to some extent. And you might look at it this way. We are in a fallen state of what might be called nature and so were the animals. We all have gone wild as it were.
It's called the non breeding elite.
They will say anything to justify and promote their behavior with the rest of society.
Well first of all as soon as you put an animal in the zoo it's no longer a natural thing because no matter how hard you try the zoo is not their natural habitat and that's not nature
Its liberals. They only think in extremes. Theyll see the smallest sign of 2 male animals working together and use it as a "counter argument". They dont have much intelligence so it just sounds phenomenal to them while to us it sounds like arguing with a toddler.
A lot of those studies attempting to assert homosexual tendencies into animals is a logical fallacy of anthropomorphism. It completely ignores the fact that for animal's reproductive organ to function, they need to be directed towards the opposite sex (excluding hermaphrodites).
They make little to no effort to properly interpret animal behaviour based on its interaction with the physical world (natural environment and other animals) with respect to its limited senses. Any animal behaviour especially interaction of the same sex that appears 'homosexual' are either confusion of instincts or have a different reason unrelated to sexuality. Animals dont even have the capacity for sexuality. They're just acting on urges or nerve impulses.
Somebody better familiarise her with the nature of dolphins,ducks,penguins,flamingo, chimpanzees
Much of the “homosexual” behavior that animals exhibit is actually just displays of dominance.
He still being nice by not telling how praying mantis mating. 😂
I thought he said animals eat their urine 😂 instead of young but animals will eat both
bruh, tarantulas literally eat the dude that just mated with them and the dude has to be fast enough to escape afterwards if he doesnt wanna be eaten x'D
praying mantises are a bit further away from humans in evolution, dont you think?
@@mihalyschneider9866 ain't no way
If all humans were homosexual , we would quickly disappear .
And your point is...?
Yes. And?
@@azno3442
The Earth and nature cries out for Christ's return. The blood of Abel cried from the ground. The Animals have been corrupt by sin. The whole earth, due to the fall of mankind, was corrupted by sin. Our very flesh is sinful. We are to have dominion over the animals. Hence, we are above the animals and should not raise a standard in the corruption of nature.
What is true love?
2 John 1:6
“And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.”
1 John 5
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Mathew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
oh no and what a travesty that would be. The planet might actually recover from being so exploited, damaged and soiled over the millenia that we have been here and every other life form on this planet might actually know some semblance of peace. Imagine it! No more war, no more politics and finances and assholes just green grass, clear skies, vibrant birds, crystal clear waters and lush forests full of life. Such a beautiful thought, it brings a tear to the eye😢
@@azno3442 The point is that We are still alive ... soooo Reproducing is very important in orther to survive... How a Man and a Man are supposed to Reproduce... Let alone feel any pleasure 🫣
Some classify as animals and some want to be animals 😂😂
*Animals are animals, they don't have any sense of morality but us humans we do.. You can't relate them to us..*
It’s almost 2024 and we’re still tripping about someone else’s sex life. We are going backwards
Homosexuality is immoral.
Maybe those people should stop mandating everyone accept and affirm their sex life.
@@88badstang you mean mandating simple civility of letting people love whoever they want?
@@StimParavane there’s supposed to be a separation of church and state
@Trentberkeley86 nobody cares what they do. They, however, want everyone to affirm and accept their sexual habits. They want it taught in schools as well. Guess some people like to sexualize little kids.
she's saying you can't say its "unnatural" is all.
So we are using natural to unnatural.
That's the sames as saying right or wrong they just want to make up their own pronouns and meaning to words like womanhood
Just because a male dog humps another male dog doesn't make it homosexual.. it just makes it horny 😂 a male dog will hump a pillow if it feels good
it is not unnatrual it is abnormal.
@@neinei5558
So what?
About 10 % of us is gay. It is quite obviously abnormal, and I don't think anyone disagree with that.
However, that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with it.
@@neinei5558why ?
The argument is that it's natural not moral
Animals are their source of morality, no wonder they think they are animals.
She did not say that, now did she. I’m gonna guess the guy’s argument was that homosexuality was “not natural”. He is wrong, as it is natural. As is incest and cannibalism, they happen in nature and are therefore “natural”. However “natural” is NOT a moral claim, and he pretended it is. A moral claim is what you think is good or bad. You should be able to argue WHY you think something is good or bad.
If you are sloppy and state “it’s immoral because it’s not natural”, you are actually suggesting that everything that happens in nature is moral. That would inevitably mean it’s YOUR CLAIM that homosexuality, incest and cannibalism are moral.
I’m gonna guess the woman has sufficient reasons to explain why incest and cannibalism would be wrong, while this guy has non, as he shows when he condemns homosexuality for the wrong reasons.
@@hamster4618our source of morality comes from God.
@@KhanAli-gj9eu except we don’t know if a or any gods exist.
So it’s more likely is that morality is a result of evolution, as it is beneficial to the species or tribe to work together as a group. However, to be able to do that certain rules apply.
@@hamster4618 no is not, because in every country morality has its own definition. In west morality is not the same as in the Middle East. So there has to be a Creator in order to reveal a common ground for morality. Because a Creator knows us better than ourselves. He knows what is best for us
@@KhanAli-gj9eu not it’s own definition but it’s own characteristics, within certain boundaries. They all have commonalities. For example: in no society are you allowed to randomly kill another. However, based on local circumstances and cultures one might find excuses to kill someone, like for example “in the name of god”.
We see how local circumstances influenced morality & culture. It’s logical that people living in the desert would cover themselves against the sun.
At the same time it was logical for those whine lived near the equator in the hot, damp jungle would wear as little as possible. Lo and behold. We find that in the differences in moralities.
Learn how to argue or how to listen to people you don’t agree with. The argument wasn’t that humans should act as animals but a proof that homosexuality does exist in nature and therefore supposed to dispute the saying that it is against nature. Misrepresentation of contradicting arguments and belittling others opinions is another way to say that you’re wrong at least or just a bad liar.
Exactly my thoughts
Is this herd mentality or something that we are witnessing? Lol the video presents the guy as the hero as if he's saying something clever and everyone is like "you tell em!".... Even though it's so stupid
Some Animals do incest or pedophilia, so you think they can be natural.
Cannibalism and incest also exist in nature so whats the problem?
Luul you just got triggered dude. Homosexuality is not natural because humanity wouldn't exist if it was that's the first point. Second 90% of the world don't see it as natural so it can't be natural.... or you seem to not understand the meaning of the world natural...
Whenever you see a person who standarize anything because it exists in other parallels, leave immediately.
I love how ready he is ما شاء الله
If people say human are superior to animals, why should we lower our standards to be more like animals? 😂
We aren't superior. In many ways, we are inferior. F. E. in destroying our own food sources.
Well that's the thing...most ppl are literally animals, the vast majority of it, we are allowed to build and exist in what we have because of the 0.00000001% guys that actually do stuff and we have the ability to communicate verbally and also write stuff, cuz if we wouldn't we would've been either extinct or just like any other animal
So the other guys don't do anything? Like literally building the world?
Everyone is failing to realize that this is simply the counterargument to the point a lot of people that are against homosexuality bring, "its unnatural" or similar phrasing. Morality has nothing to do with the discussion, its simply a disproving of a point
@@toxic-skepticnothing to build if the 0.0001% hasn't invented it yet.
About homosexuality among animals, this is a counter-argument against unnaturalness, and not against immorality.
Explain to my why homosexuality is immoral…
@@thatplatypusguy566 Explain to me why I have to explain something I didn’t mean.
Animals do things by animal instincts. We do things by thought!! Duuuh!!!
Do you think your skin colour? Or eye colour? Homosexually, in both animals and humans, is an innate biological trait. Not a choice, you dummy.
@@user-iq5tx3vc5q Well your statement sound as if it’s claiming that homosexuality is immoral. If that’s not your position then okay, we agree, but your wording makes it sound as if you think that.
With a beard like that - he's against gays?
Wait until she hears about the R@pe culture amongst dolphins
Muslim's?
@l.h.3586 Nah actually men get beheaded for that type of stuff around here son
And cats....
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@@l.h.3586blah blah blah, give me one case lol u can't
Every time I am less surprised by the incredible ignorance of the people of the USA.
Are these people of the USA? Sounds like a Brit and some other non-American accent to me 🤷♂️
great breakdown 😂
This definitely isn't in the US brother.😂
You're not the brightest bulb in the box are you?
You must be Mexican
Islam has solved every kind of absurdity 14 centuries ago, but still people are asking and not believing
No, she is addressing the people who say it is unnatural. Those who say it is immoral presuppose that the only acceptable source of morality is their invisible, magical sky daddy.
I raise cows if a cow is on top of another cow it means 2 things
She is in heat
She is not pregnant
Animals will get on top of eachother if they are in heat if a cow is pregnant no cow will get on top of her.
You’re just yapping.
That has nothing to do with what is being said
@@Thestoicstallion yes it does she flat out says animals can be gay they are just animals and I'm explaining the nature of animals.
A bull won't even jump a fence if the cows on the other side is pregnant bulls do not care only when they aren't pregnant do they go over.
This notion that animals are gay is ridiculous and it very much says that person has absolutely no idea what they are talking about
We’re animals - what are you talking about ffs
@@tywaits3896 no, let me correct you you dimwit.
You are explaining the behavior of TWO animals.
Go to your little google and search which animals have done this behavior, then come back here and have a discussion about what you’ve learned.
On second thought, someone who doesn’t know the difference between a bull and a cow, probably won’t have any grounds for a debate.
@@colinross3755 no we are not and no we didn't evolve from monkeys there has been zero evidence of that.
These are two entirely different points. The animal point is a point of proof to discredit the claim that humans can’t be naturally homosexual. A penguin doesn’t have the sentience to choose to be gay, so the point is that homosexuality is a natural occurrence - in humans and animals.
The moral question is another one entirely and irrelevant to whether it’s natural or not.
Some Animals do incest, do you think it's natural and it's okay for people to do it ?
@@GordonFreeman-3reeit's natural, not ok. Happy?
@@GordonFreeman-3reeWhy is it not OK for people to do it? Where's the harm? Incest leads to harm as it leads to genetic deformities and illness homosexuality leads to no such harm.
So that would make it a birth defect if the standard is straight at birth?
And the assumption made is that because it is natural it is moral. Is that not the assumption made?
I have to side with the girl. She didn't conflate every single animal's behavior to be an acceptable morality for human beings. She singles out one behavior, that has 1. continuity in the animal kingdom 2. doesn't cause harm for the people involved in it (I know people will disagree with that point, but there is certainly a conversation to be had about it).
Jordan Peterson has made the argument that there is continuity of humans with lobsters in certain neurochemical-based behaviors, does that now mean that pissing out of your face is acceptable socially because lobsters do it?
It's a poor misconstruction of her argument to resort to the worst animal behavior when one behavior was named to have continuity.
If animals act out homosexually that gives us evidence that such behavior is generally not a purely cultural byproduct, but has genetic roots. That fact is important for this conversation.
... You know that humans are animals, do you? We are mammals.
"Excuse me, did you just defecate in your hand and hurled steaming hot feces at my face?"
"AnIMaLs dO iT!"
😂
Hi welcome to wafflehouse😂😂
The only animals I know that eat their youth are fish.
@@fabricioface Yes fish do that.
Also bears, tigers, lions, rabbits, hamsters, chickens, rats, chimpanzees, scorpions, hippos, snakes, prairie dogs, sharks, hundreds of insects and...yup, dogs and cats!
Oh and obviously humans too, I'm looking at you Australian Aboriginals.
But aside from these... it's only fish.
I never seen a gay cows tho
Imagine caring what other people chose to do with their lives when it has no effect on your own existence 😂
You clearly do not understand ripple effects in society, why do you think being homosexual is punishable by death in the middle east, well except isreal..... they allow gays... other middle east DO NoT
Do you think it's a coincidence that a man and a man cannot make a child? For all kingdoms this is true
Some people are just so obsessed with sex that they can't help but thinking all day about what others might use their genitals for
@@dillonmeadows8857you just proved his point. Not all heterosexual couples want children either, so what's your point?
So is it ok for a man do be a paedo as long as it don't effect u?
If you're against homosexuality, don't be homosexual. There you go. Problem solved
See this exactly why even as an Athiest I support religious preaching.
What the lady said there should only be said as a rebuttal to the claim that homosexuality is not "natural". It does appear in nature, therefore it is natural. It's a naturalistic fallacy to say that something is "good", "preferable" or "alright" if it is natural. It's natural to kill in nature to survive, so therefore that would by extension become good as well.
It's not and should not be an argument to justify homosexuality. Homosexuality is only justified because nobody has the right to tell you how to live your life, that's it. What consenting adults do inside closed doors is no business of other people, likewise other people's private bedrooms are of no concern to them.
If a person wants to prohibit and obstruct ways OTHER people express and fulfil their sexuality, they better prepare to lose their right to express their OWN sexuality. If people can't tolerate the mere mental picture of what people are like in their homes, it's their problem. It's not like they're forced to watch.
No one is born gay, they are taught to be gay. Being gay is wrong.
Homosexuality does not appear in nature. That concept is completely fraudulent and built by people trying to force animals into same sex pairings. There is no such thing as a gay animal.
Little doubt that it _was_ "said as a rebuttal to the claim that homosexuality is not "natural"". Also little doubt the video editors edited that part out so as to create a strawman argument. These 'people' are not trying to present rational arguments, they are trying to push an extremely oppressive theocratic agenda. But the West must never submit to Islam. Islam in the West will submit to the laws OF the West.
@@redeocsirb4787oh poor you!
@@redeocsirb4787 if you cant stop thinking about it, then maybe thats evidence of a deeper desire ;)
Still waiting for an argument against gay sex that doesn’t involve religious beliefs
Just useless sex as it's not dedicated to bringing life, sterile from beginning to end. We all should avoid what is useless in our lives, but share what is priceless, and what's more priceless than life?
It's an evolutionary dead end. Any species that has an overpopulation of them will die out. Therefore it's a direct threat to the survival of any species.
But of course you already knew that and you were just being obtuse. This is basic evolutionary science. 😅
Uh yeah it's gay dude
@@brandonhutsell5319 yes it is where’s the negative affliction?
Arguing FOR it, is it’s own religious belief
People are continuously losing their brain cells.
I was once had a Muslim tell me that he can have multiple wife’s just like a lion has multiple lionesses. I told him this same thing 😂
well in islam you are allowed to have up to 4 wives but nom more than that, however having only one wife is recommended and the preferred thing
@@shroomish6462 Sure, but I have met many Muslim man that actively seek more wives. I am just saying that is Ironic that I have used this same argument against a Muslim that was justifying the natural reasons for being a polygamist.
@@chanano1689its apples and oranges mate
@@cheesefactor1761 cope
@@chanano1689 bro said cope
When that's what you were doing when you were chatting to the Muslim
Special needs individual right here
So sad that Islam is the only conservatism left in the UK.
We believe in God and that His Word never changes
Why sad??? Join Islam ,let's rebuild the Khilafah
There are conservatives here of some kind but they hate muslims rather than ally with us
this is Malaysia
The difference is, in all his examples (eating their babies and incest), theres a victim.
Homosexuality is natural is her point.
She's not using animals as a moral compass. She's simply using their actions as proof that homosexuality isn't unnatural.
So your standart of life style is animals?😢😢
@@anisanisa1470 Homosexuality isn't a standard of lifestyle???? That would suggest that one can become homosexual by improving/disproving your standard of lifestyle. What the woman is simply saying is we ourselves are animals and in many ways are not that dissimilar to them. Hence, her observation that animals sometimes behave homosexually would support the idea that homosexuality is a natural phenomenon. Animals don't have a society/culture that turns people towards being homosexual so it is likely it is a natural phenomenon
Then there is nothing to argue about. Homosex has been around for ages. If not about morality, what else?
@@aodhancotter7387so doing incest is also a natural phenomena and it is more common than homosexuality lmao
so when I'm getting a homemade stuff with your blood🎉
So you’re telling me cannibalism wouldn’t be unnatural?
Bully tactics. She wasnt making an argument from morality. She was putting forth a counterpoint to the argument that 'homosexuality is unnatural.'
Thank you. That's exactly what I am saying.
Somone finally understood 🥹🥹
Yeah, she should've called out the naturalistic fallacy from the start, instead of trying to argue against it. She didn't and he then argued she was the one making a naturalistic fallacy. Ironic how that works.
It is Amoral
It is unnatural, if everyone is gay then humans will cease to exist.
Quick question, what animal have you seen engaging in homosexual acts?
This is like running out of bullets but you give your extra magazine to the other guy
Love is love, but remember water is water but we don't drink from the toilet
In animals its not homosexuality it is a sign of dominance.
Giraffees are known for having the capacity of clearly being gay, so the woman has a point *BUT* one thing is homosexuality in nature and another thing is imposing your sexuality to others and disrespecting other's sexuality, specially straight people who are just following the rules of nature too.
You mean like in prison?
@@sylvandoggo4416 No they do not. Homosexual acts have been observed in nature that does not mean there're gay animals. They happen most of time as a way to assert dominance not because they're gay. Also, sex as design by nature is only possible between male and female. People of the same sex can't have sex. The @nus is not a sex organ, so anyone who engages in @nal penetration is not following the rules of nature.
@@sylvandoggo4416so the you agree that straight people have been forcing their ideals upon the world in a far more militant fashion for far longer... and should maybe either come up with a better statement than "shoving it down our throats", since they've been doing it for far longer. and while they're at it, quit pretending that seeing gay people represented in media turns people gay... if that were true, then WTF do any gay people exist in the first place??? it's no impossible feat to encounter straight examples virtually anywhere in the media. besides when saying many of the things you guys say... well, it just calls attention to that position as coming from a place of bigotry because so many of these things said don't actually make sense, are irrational, haven't happened, can't happen, and didnt occur despite everything being in place to become a 'thing'(in many cases even more si than y'alls stated fear). but really, I thought there would have been more of you straight guys alright with there being more openly gay guys around... you know why??? less competition 😉
@@BruceWest-gn1qmNah that's still gay asf
Homosexuality has nothing to do with "morals", making this entire exchange irrelevant. People loving who they love is their own business, and they're not hurting anybody, so leave yourself out of it. That's it, end of story.
Having sex is not love .
@@chrisjones5452But whats about the people who rly love each other?
@@purpleguy4962being gay is about your sexual preference not your emotional preference lol, (stop being delusional) that’s how you understand things
Mr. business, it’s ok to be gay, but not ok to promote it, this is your opinion, i can have anti gay opinion without harming anyone lol, you are delusional about love, gay men can be easily called people who can’t get with women or don’t want to grow up and start a family and a responsibility, it’s completely not about nature or love, it’s about how delusional you wanna be
@@chrisjones5452 Physical intimacy is one way that love manifests in the majority of human romantic bondings.
She makes a good point. Most human beings are more animalistic than a lot of animals.
Oh I love this analogy.
What is normal for the spider, is chaos to the fly. Animals eat their young so the strong can survive. Including primates. A mantis will eat their lover after mating. To protect her children from the male eating them. And the Bible clearly states “if you are surrounded by your enemies you must eat your children.” This “morality” he is insinuating has religious attachments. This “morality” he is speaking of is preventing woman from health care. This “morality” has seen a decline in men. Human morality is no better than animals. Because that is what we are by nature. We are the only species who can say “one man. One woman.” We are the only species capable of war. And people like him insinuate that “it is morally correct to hate on a certain group. It is morally correct to go to war with these people. It is morally correct to unalive these people.”
Excellent counter 👌
And who da F he thinks to impose morality standards into the others?... If you want to be a religious believer, be, but mind your own business...
Your freedom ends when you speak agaisnt the others freedom as well. This religious p1g must be deported back imediately. If already got nationality rights, if their parents didnt born in UK, he must loose the nationality rights and be deported back, because borning in a land does not mean to get nationality rights, otherwise tourists would have that same right as well.
We must deport all the imigrants that agree with this p1g.
This p1g are the type of imigrants we should take away nationality rights and deport them out from OUR europe, were all the lgbt can feel safe and free.,,,,,,..
Sure, he walked back that it was unnatural. Quite the retreat.
He brought up Incest. In the Noah's Ark Story, god killed everything but who was on the Ark--which would be Noah and his7 Family Members chosen to Repopulate Earth...Is that not True Incest? Yes, it sure is-- So the World was repopulated by a Huge Sin...Thanks Sir!
@@mso2013 it is unatural. She didn't prove it wasn't
@@RobStewart-jp8pz both in the videoclip agree that it happens in natur... what have you been smoking?
Animals also have hetero sex, so we shouldn't have that either.
It doesn’t make it the standard. That was the point. The existence of an action in the animal kingdom doesn’t form the basis for any moral framework other than animals. That was the point. Listen again. You didn’t hear his argument clearly.
Only animals believe human beings are animals
Why not.
Animals have hetero sex to procreate. That's how we do too. You're really terrible at logic.
This does not make any sense. He never said we shouldn't do it because animals do it. He said we shouldn't do it just because animals do it. Lol.
Shortcut brain she has. Just living, not alive.
He was waiting for that question all his life
They got their morals from animals. 😂
Nope , we get our morals from scripture and our current society , here is the verse
Deer, camel, donkey, monkey, rats, creeping animals, birds and flies - one should consider them like one’s own children, and not differentiate between one’s children and these creatures. - Bhagavata Purana 7.14.9
To be fair, using humans ain’t a great source of morality either
Or the God of the bible
His argument is good but unfortunately it doesnt work because they're way too different from us, psychologically, socially, physically, etc, you can't compare survival needs ( eating babies for example ) for social stuff, or compare humans to a species way less clever than us, incest happens only in certain species,
Overall the specie that look the lost than us are monkeys, they dont eat babies, not doing incest, not killing anything to eat, and have a social code/ are a social specie AND theres homosexuality in their specie
So actually the woman talking was righter than the guy, but she didnt push her idea far enough to explain why and then win the argument
@@nhibou7590so reproduction is not a survival need.
but he does not mention it to make a point, she is
humase ARE animals duh
The only thing I consider natural is one rule: my free will ends where another’s begins. People need to stop making it their business what other people decide to do, otherwise, it’s you who’s afraid that you’ll become that.