Gris-Gris Math for Nerds

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  • čas přidán 26. 05. 2024
  • Witch Doctor's new Innate Ability gives him an item called Gris-Gris. It's a cool item that generates you money, but how long should you hold on to it? I've got some nerd math to help you determine the ideal timing.
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Komentáře • 119

  • @Kripkee
    @Kripkee Před 29 dny +317

    "let me know if you agris gris or disagris gris"
    this is why I am subbed

  • @jessejamesb
    @jessejamesb Před 29 dny +54

    Save it for shard right at 15 mins was my idea of how it would be best used. I'm glad you agreegree

  • @giancarloprado8206
    @giancarloprado8206 Před 29 dny +78

    I agree-gree, btw just realized you can move it from neutral slot to inventory xd

    • @bbear0_o
      @bbear0_o Před 29 dny +4

      No wayy. I was spending the damn thing at first spawn of tier1 neutral item

    • @karuscuvic
      @karuscuvic Před 29 dny +1

      yeah I told my wd this in a game yesterday but he just refused to move it and pretended like it didn't work out of spite :) (I'm always respectful it was just a rough game)

    • @HelicopterShark
      @HelicopterShark Před 29 dny +1

      Yeah not sure if it's worded the best. "Can only be transferred between Witch Doctors inventory and neutral slot. Can not be placed in the backpack, stash, courier, another players inventory or on the ground." under the expanded tool tip would be best.

  • @ameyakale2739
    @ameyakale2739 Před 27 dny +9

    If you’re dying way too many times then you’re just grief-griefing

  • @mrquickey3731
    @mrquickey3731 Před 29 dny +36

    Thats why i have trust issues. He clearly says, i cant do anything with it other than "Consume Item" yet it clearly says there, that indeed i could also "Lock Combining"

    • @FeederBot
      @FeederBot Před 29 dny +14

      Better do that, you don't want it to accidentally combine into a Rapier

    • @S2condHeartbeat
      @S2condHeartbeat Před 29 dny

      You're pathetic dude...

    • @tehgendo
      @tehgendo Před 28 dny +6

      combine it with midas to turn creeps into more gris-gris's.

  • @ivanpaijolin9128
    @ivanpaijolin9128 Před 29 dny +11

    Play wd.
    Take heal damage talent
    Man up to enemy
    Died
    Tp back do the same again
    Refuse to elaborate
    Somehow got agh

  • @icata12345
    @icata12345 Před 29 dny +93

    can you do same for warlock grimoire?

    • @akshaykalghatgi443
      @akshaykalghatgi443 Před 29 dny +2

      +1 plsssss grimoire next 🙏

    • @Delacrow_l_Chawngthu
      @Delacrow_l_Chawngthu Před 29 dny +2

      When ur behind in lane and need a quick lvl 6. Or..when you're ahead but the enemy seems to catch up.
      I forgot to mention that using it between lvl 9 and 10 is really good if you're far ahead the exp boost is great but any later than that you may not even gain a level because the exp to lvl up is too big.

    • @BaptisteVigier
      @BaptisteVigier Před 29 dny +1

      +1 🙏

    • @Anonymouschannel8181
      @Anonymouschannel8181 Před 29 dny

      I was thinking exactly the same

    • @alcimist
      @alcimist Před 29 dny

      Plsss I need thiss

  • @aaronninolanante7069
    @aaronninolanante7069 Před 28 dny +5

    As Sir Action Slacks said, its a very good item for Griefers and Feeders

  • @literallyp2wliterallyp2w38
    @literallyp2wliterallyp2w38 Před 29 dny +11

    It's all about hitting the grissy

  • @drallersouldust3054
    @drallersouldust3054 Před 29 dny +45

    DotA 2 is the most exciting Moba , especially when they dropped Big Patch. Other people hates it just because they can't cope about their loses

    • @nevsforest
      @nevsforest Před 29 dny +4

      That and/or cause they are unable to read.

    • @thomassolecky87
      @thomassolecky87 Před 29 dny +1

      It’s like they forget that it’s a game just for fun we’re not all pros haha

    • @knkaitlog
      @knkaitlog Před 28 dny

      @@nevsforest or just lazy and hate "learning anything new"

    • @Biit88121
      @Biit88121 Před 27 dny

      And how you call it when my idiot support takes a philostone instead of a neutral item..?
      they can read- but not think..?
      i m really not against my supports and i want them to have items… but when i see one more int hero with 1000hp, 2 armor and 1200 mana at minute 20 i'll lose my hope in humanity

    • @knkaitlog
      @knkaitlog Před 27 dny

      @@Biit88121 then play support and be that guy. then you will complain about a retarded carry who keeps dying for no reason because he has no map awareness

  • @ekhiw
    @ekhiw Před 29 dny +9

    DO NOT REDEEM!!!!

  • @ethossoul
    @ethossoul Před 25 dny

    I just used this video tips and played some WD matches and it went wild. In most WD games I was able to consume the Gris Gris for a 15 min shard along with shadow amulet. Which is a nasty timing for WD. I also uploaded one of my WD videos in my channel following your suggestions. I should have mentioned you directly but I forgot. I will keep that in mind if I do another video with your suggestions. Thank you!

  • @AMassiveHeadache
    @AMassiveHeadache Před 28 dny

    my assumption was "hold on to it until you need the inventory/neutral slot" and i appreciate you doing the math for why that is. as for facets, Cleft Death did not function how i thought it was going to, i still think it's neat though, but yeah Headhunter is just too nice early in the game to give up

  • @krazed0451
    @krazed0451 Před 29 dny +2

    Voodoo Festoration on lane with a Necrophos is oppressive.

  • @ThePandaBuffet
    @ThePandaBuffet Před 25 dny +1

    If you swap heros in the beginning of the match with someone else, you can "transfer" the Gri-gri. Is it a bug, we don't know yet or maybe it was intended. As far as a Witch doctor goes. Id definitely save it for a Aghs no doubt, this is what I have been doing and it works great.

  • @doismilho
    @doismilho Před 24 dny

    I played festeration doc as hard carry for fun. rushed radiance and bloodstone, had a wisp sup5 with spell amp by my side. it was pretty funny and we actually owned the lane and won the game pretty fast. farming speeds are absurd btw

  • @helihaung9309
    @helihaung9309 Před 28 dny

    From these I can assume that no matter what you assumption of these item is, you just need to know one thing for you consume it keep it. If your inventory space is occupied with essential item at all time you get it of it. If the game play style require you to man up and save your carry save it.

  • @andrewzimmerman6059
    @andrewzimmerman6059 Před 29 dny +3

    Wait to pop Gris-Gris until T 2 items… get lucky and get Philosophers stone. Seems good to me lol.

  • @LouisOrangeCat
    @LouisOrangeCat Před 29 dny +3

    Gris-Gris to the moon!!!

  • @wieraa
    @wieraa Před 26 dny

    Nice! I love straight info. +1

  • @jomardepedro
    @jomardepedro Před 29 dny +1

    Technically, it's free money regardless. It only becomes trouble when you are six slotted. As an innate ability, it's average, could use some buffs (maybe 30GPM, Death cost + 20 + 1 gold per minute), but it's literally free money for a pos 5 / 4. It only gets in the way when you have to buy a dust or a quelling blade for sprout or monkey dance.

    • @jrg-qc9yq
      @jrg-qc9yq Před 29 dny

      i mean
      look at enchantress / meepo

  • @Fantsmacle
    @Fantsmacle Před 19 dny

    er 2 comes around i consume and hopefully get the philosopher's stone

  • @ficostello
    @ficostello Před 25 dny

    This is SO VALUABLE. If all content producers did something like that for the heroes they know/play best, it would make navigating the new patch so much easier.
    Not sure if you’re answering questions on here, but I’ve a question this video reminded me of, especially since you mention buying shards in many other videos:
    I’m slightly annoyed when I have to pay for my shard as support. Shards are free if you take the Tormentor. With supps usually being the lowest levels, at least one support can get a free shard from just one Tormentor, and obviously in theory you can keep doing that until your whole team has free shards. For a support player, that’s massive. 1,400 gold I can spend on something else - that’s nearly a Guardian Greaves recipe (or 28 sentries 😂). My point is, saving supports that gold benefits the whole team, but we need our cores to take on the Tormentor. Is it reasonable to expect cores to gather at each earliest opportunity and get the Tormentors? If so, what time would usually be good to start (appreciate it depends on hero selection and how the game is going, but just a general estimation). And finally, are there heroes whose shard is so game changing that waiting for the team to be able to defeat the Tormentor means losing out too much and you’re better off buying it before regardless?
    (Disclaimer I’m a baby gamer and still in Herald, so I appreciate this will all just by theoretical if my team isn’t on the same page on this issue.)

  • @elyb1494
    @elyb1494 Před 28 dny

    Is it better than philosopher stone?

  • @Ninebreak999
    @Ninebreak999 Před 29 dny +1

    Does Gris-Gris provide full gpm benefit while not in the neutral item slot?

  • @coolgate3872
    @coolgate3872 Před 28 dny

    Next vid could be when the best time for warlocks black book

  • @thanhlongnguyen8881
    @thanhlongnguyen8881 Před 29 dny +2

    may i ask what is the name of your HUD? it looks cool :D

  • @ijiearcilla9947
    @ijiearcilla9947 Před 29 dny +1

    Hi ZQ where do u check winrate by facet?

  • @taylorhutchings4612
    @taylorhutchings4612 Před 28 dny

    I have 63% winrate on this hero and I hadn't even considered putting it in my regular inventory so I could use tier 1 neutral items XD. Also I think the talent changes to WD are a nerf because the aoe and cask bounce talents were the best by a lot and now you can only pick one unless the game goes super late.

  • @nagashiedogawa6094
    @nagashiedogawa6094 Před 29 dny +1

    Hitting the grizzy

  • @edench73
    @edench73 Před 29 dny +1

    so how do u find the gris gris again if u use it

  • @notabene9804
    @notabene9804 Před 29 dny +3

    Now do grimoire math

  • @neillabendia
    @neillabendia Před 28 dny

    I use it on 27 mins when the tier 3 neutral item shows.

  • @AfroBlackSiren
    @AfroBlackSiren Před 26 dny

    I have a thesis that strategies that rely on your death (Warlock/Undying talent, Gris gris) shouldn't be your plan A. There are games in which those are important, but if you're surviving you usually have more impact than those talents

    • @PickledSmoothBrain
      @PickledSmoothBrain Před 24 dny

      Agreed,I was pretty disappointed in WD's passive for that reason, I don't want dying to be needed to get the most out of it. The resulting amount of money is not much considering others passives aiding in getting kills and surviving will earn them more money as a side effect

  • @salecroft1410
    @salecroft1410 Před 29 dny +3

    would it be smart to just perma feed to the enemies and give them killing sprees? pls do the math

    • @bhikshu738
      @bhikshu738 Před 29 dny +9

      Nah, a death is still time off the map, and it's still XP and gold for the enemy team. Perma-feeding still leaves you significantly behind, unless you're trading your death for a kill for your core on every one of those deaths.

    • @colossaladvertising
      @colossaladvertising Před 25 dny

      ​@@bhikshu738you're also not losing gold at that point so you're getting any gold out of it anyway

    • @bhikshu738
      @bhikshu738 Před 25 dny

      @@colossaladvertising No, you're not getting gold, you're just *not losing* gold.
      You're still missing out on gold that could be gained (personally) from assists and kills, your absence from teamfights increases the likelihood that your team can't secure kills, or will even give up deaths, you can't rotate to punish dives, etc. Feeding is still punished because you can't contribute to anything on the map while you're dead, and remember: The enemy still gets gold and XP for killing YOU, so feeding puts them ahead of your team.

  • @thanaka8416
    @thanaka8416 Před 27 dny

    When i have my agha and my team is uncooperative to make tormentor, then, if my gris gris has 1.4k i use it to get a shard.

  • @TankorSmash
    @TankorSmash Před 29 dny

    It would be a shame if the letter patch messed with this math!

  • @AbhishekBarari
    @AbhishekBarari Před 28 dny

    essentially its a much worse version of the Alch facet which gives 250 gold immidiately.

  • @lightknightgames
    @lightknightgames Před 28 dny

    TL;DR, if you can get a threshold item that will impact a fight soon.

  • @guide_A
    @guide_A Před 28 dny

    Agreegree or disagreegree got me :)

  • @seanlynch6077
    @seanlynch6077 Před 28 dny

    Gris Gris.

  • @Parrothead1337
    @Parrothead1337 Před 27 dny

    zQ hit me in the gris-gris when he posts a video 😊

  • @wheres6thstreet
    @wheres6thstreet Před 28 dny

    ❤‍🔥

  • @KarLitoDE_TV
    @KarLitoDE_TV Před 27 dny

    Why is your Dota Guide ingame so bad rated? it makes really sense!

  • @Onl1neCooL
    @Onl1neCooL Před 28 dny

    Agris gris to disagris gris

  • @ahmadmuraish1144
    @ahmadmuraish1144 Před 29 dny

    If you play wd and you don't have the gold for the shard by the time shard is available then you don't know how to play wd :S

  • @KyU433
    @KyU433 Před 28 dny

    Gris = Pig in swedish, nice item

  • @BasedMarci
    @BasedMarci Před 29 dny +4

    gris gris gang

  • @koumbova
    @koumbova Před 29 dny

    What is the point in cris cris when you can cask 2 camps with hunter what makes it absolete?

    • @kcbsuiejd
      @kcbsuiejd Před 29 dny +3

      the point is that its free.
      Its not a facet, you dont have to choose between it and headhunter. you just get it as an inate ability

    • @koumbova
      @koumbova Před 27 dny

      @@kcbsuiejd sorry, my bad

    • @kcbsuiejd
      @kcbsuiejd Před 27 dny

      @@koumbova no worries, asking is a good thing :)

  • @reinzai5927
    @reinzai5927 Před 11 dny

    my brain is not braining... help

  • @walktheline993
    @walktheline993 Před 29 dny +1

    I can see a way where i itemize arcane glimmer shard and mby 1 more item and i keep the gri gri till min 30 np, i disagree (i think you overestimate the windlace in your build) .... on the other hand i don't play WD, so... you do you.

  • @the_primal_instinct
    @the_primal_instinct Před 29 dny

    17 min. Because Alchemist's stone exists

  • @raves_r3177
    @raves_r3177 Před 24 dny

    the game is literally a college degree at this point

  • @CssHDmonster
    @CssHDmonster Před 28 dny +1

    yay more dota2 crota

  • @OsomoMojoFreak
    @OsomoMojoFreak Před 29 dny +4

    Not getting a value point in voodoo restoration for insane trading is a crime.

  • @wagyubeefpatty3570
    @wagyubeefpatty3570 Před 29 dny

    PLEASE PRONOUCE IT AS GRIZ-GRIZ!!!!!

    • @amudzef
      @amudzef Před 29 dny

      It's a grigri, some african voodoo amulet.

  • @dokusei1208
    @dokusei1208 Před 28 dny

    I hate 10 minute youtube videos. I get it's for monetization but I still hate it. Ai summarizer said "The best time to consume the GRE gree for Witch Doctor is between 10-20 minutes. Slot efficiency and the value of other items make it less valuable later on."

    • @nahrafff
      @nahrafff Před 27 dny

      Where can I use this AI summarizer? Is it free?

    • @dokusei1208
      @dokusei1208 Před 27 dny

      @@nahrafff I use Opera browser and I found Cici Ai, I don't research it enough tho so be mindful of using it

  • @sgtpatton
    @sgtpatton Před 28 dny

    i agris gris

  • @KybubStudios
    @KybubStudios Před 27 dny

    Seems like it felt right when I first played was this patch and used my Grigri to afford my glimmer faster

  • @LexiAngel91
    @LexiAngel91 Před 16 dny

    Has anyone been pronouncing it “griss griss” like me? 🥴

  • @ardeshirafshari1670
    @ardeshirafshari1670 Před 29 dny +2

    i did a little bit of math 🤓☝

    • @jomardepedro
      @jomardepedro Před 29 dny

      Lmao 😂 it's funny because he's 100% the 2 emotes!

  • @CTAMAT
    @CTAMAT Před 25 dny

    bro either make it a 2 min video or get lost ... like im gonna hear a 10 min for an innate ability of a single hero from 120

  • @GearDiego23
    @GearDiego23 Před 27 dny

    why is every english speaking person sayin GRI GRI!?
    its has a fking S!! at the end!!! its no that hard!!
    griS griS

  • @KabhiFomoKabhiMofo
    @KabhiFomoKabhiMofo Před 28 dny

    The third facet sucks ass

  • @johnygimo
    @johnygimo Před 27 dny

    please stop encouraging pos 4/5 taking spells to farm faster ure supposed to help ur cores not farm

  • @QuadDamage3
    @QuadDamage3 Před 29 dny

    That's a long video to say "totally irrelevant and wasted (opportunity to make a cool) ability that could be useful only in one weird TI match"

  • @ogdoublesampson
    @ogdoublesampson Před 29 dny

    Good clickbait.

  • @kuroshinryu
    @kuroshinryu Před 29 dny

    Seems like actual garbage