This year we have a French female director, Justine Triet, nominated for best director, for her stunning movie "Anatomy of a fall". Definitely rooting for her 🤞
A lot of people are overlooking Triet as well as Celine Song when accusing the Oscars of sexism this year. They both made extraordinary films this year that are getting recognized with Best Picture nominations and more. We have three female directors in the Best Picture category which has NEVER happened in Academy history. But I guess Greta not getting nominated in one (1) category - nevermind that her film is nominated in EIGHT CATEGORIES - means that the Oscars are incapable of recognizing women filmmakers? I don't get it lol
@@hj-ct2qi She can take one of the rest two director nomination spots and bump it to a histroic year of four female nominees. A male director will get a nominee for doing less so why can't she. Why are you so triggered? I don't understand.
@@user-iq2no3lk2i Nobody's triggered here as far as I can tell. The Academy and the film industry at large has always had a problem with sexism, and IMO, Greta not getting the Oscar nom for Best Director is not the singular evidence of that phenomenon everyone claims it is. I think Barbie was directed quite conventionally. Extremely competently, yes, but the real innovation and brilliance was in the writing of the film, which was nominated as it should have been. If Greta had made an astonishingly well directed movie compared to others this year and yet not been nominated for Best Director, I'd join in the outcry. But all the directors that did get nominated this year produced superior work in that regard IMO.
@@user-iq2no3lk2i The only thing worse than not nominating women who have shown themselves to be in the top five directors of the year is intentionally token-nominating women to that category in spite of them *not* showing themselves to be in the top five directors of the year. Greta isn’t in the top ten this year, sorry.
@@user-iq2no3lk2ii think you misunderstood… there’s one woman nominated for best director out of the 5 slots. out of the best picture nominees, 3 of the 10 were directed by women. They are Greta Gerwig for Barbie, Celine Song for Past Lives, and Justine Triet for Anatomy of a Fall. I think it’s kind of even more of a problem that the Director category only included one of them. And it also didn’t include the only film with a black director, American Fiction, directed by Cord Jefferson (it’s his first feature as a director in believe, but he’s worked as a writer and producer on clearly phenomenal projects).
They went down to the store and just randomly bought Uggs “…like a thoughtless child, just wandering by a garden, yanking leaves along the way” as Gosling might put it. Maybe the costume designer thought it was “Tribal, but futuristic?”
I was also disappointed that the movie wasn’t nominated for best visual effects, since there was such an effort to mimic old Hollywood production effects
Both Oppenheimer and Barbie missed that category, shows that there’s apparently a bias against practical effects at this point which is really too bad. Practical effects are refreshing.
Visual effects were extremely minimal. If Wes Anderson hasn’t been nominated before, why would Barbie? And yeah, after seeing Godzilla and Oppenheimer, Barbie is like a powerpoint presentation compared to them. Imo, practical and in-camera vfx are most impressive, so I praise it when I see it, and Barbie’s did their job…but then the animate effects were thrown in as an afterthought for what reason?
@@annahill99Oppenheimer had some beautiful practical effects, but that "atomic explosion" looked nothing like the real thing and was completely underwhelming. Barbie's effects got the job done, but there was nothing innovative about them. I think the most probable winner in the VFX category is The Creator.
it felt like a twitter thread, and it annoyed me so much because I instantly compared it to the ones in little women she has these monologues by Amy and Jo and they're written so amazingly
People were upset about the Greta & Margo snubs but are overlooking the fact that America was nominated as well for a phenomenal performance as an underdog character.
Yes and Lily Gladstone was also nominated in a groundbreaking role as a Native woman from the U.S. It seems like it's white Feminism running amuck and it's also verging into white supremacy.
Yeah! I was, like a lot of people, a little upset about Greta and Margot being snubbed, but I feel like people aren't acknowledging America Ferrera's nomination, or how well-deserved it was.
Fr as someone who's been a fan of her since the 2000's during her Ugly Betty & Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants days, Astrid in HTTYD & Amy on Superstore i couldn't be more proud for her finally getting her recognition after years in the industry yet everyone's attention is mostly going to Greta & Margo's snubs💔
Easily, Scorsese, imo. I saw both movies, and Greta deserved the nomination more, imo. It's true that this year, it's an exceptional lineup in the director category, but while I loved KOFM, I think it's a less "director movie" than Barbie.
Scorzese hasn't done anything that different and exceptional. Like he is good like always but what did he really bring to the table? Yorgos or Nolan for example, right up feel fresh and give an all new outlook to sides of human life that makes you reflect. Greta created an all new world while inserting a major social hot topic that nobody managed to bring up in the universal way she did with so many underthemes. I mean she got the male audience to see through the male lead what discrimination feels like. Also she showed young audience through the daughter how toxic superficial feminism against all and everyone isn't feminism and just hate. Corporation vs Social Justice and so on. So many topics all glued together. This movie was thought and rethought like milion times I can tell you and that's what got everyone excited.
This. The other nominees in these categories were simply better. It screams white feminist entitlement that they'd think they'd be more deserving than the actual nominees.
Its sad that this barbie outrage is taking attention away from all the other milestone nominations this year. Lily Gladstone is the first Native American from the US to be nominated in the best actress category. Killers of the Flower Moon had another historic nomination for the composer, Robbie Robertson as he's the first Native American to be nominated for original score. The film's editor, Thelma Schoonmaker scored her 9th oscar nomination in best editing, making her the most nominated film editor ever! Colman Domingo is the first afro-latino nominee in the best actor category. If we're gonna talk about snubs then lets talk about Past Lives. It would have been great to see Celine Song be nominated in directing and Greta Lee in acting. I would have loved to see Charles Melton nominated for best supporting actor. His performance in May December might be my favourite performance from a male actor last year
Hardly, everywhere I look there are articles and media pieces about Lily. I’ve read humorous articles, and a few serious ones about Barbie, but KotFM/Lily have been given serious thought and attention, in more than just trade papers.
You are forgetting that there is a woman in the list of nominations for best director : Justine Triet. That’s huge (especially cause she’s not even American).
Imho, as a woman, I enjoyed the movie well enough on the first watch. Except I rolled my eyes at The Monologue. On the second watch it I started to realize how scattered the movie is, and how there is no real consistency in themes and character development. On the third watch I realized I don't want to watch this movie again for a long time. It is not an Oscar winning movie. It had so much to say, that it ended up saying basically nothing about any of its themes. It could have focused on how Barbie discovers her humanity, how she accepts flaws and imperfections and realizes that life is beautiful even if it's not perfect. That would fit with the bus stop scene, and her eventual desire to become human. You know, the most beautiful moments in the whole movie? OR it could have focused on patriarchy and the Kens, but done it better, and more nuanced, with the end message being that oppression IS wrong, and what the Barbies did to the Kens was wrong, and try and fix it. Like, I can't see the Kens as villains? I'm not surprised that Gosling is nominated. His character is the only real stand out in that movie. Margot does a good job, but she had less to work with, and her performance doesn't match the other nominees who are all women, since it is a female category. Gosling didn't beat her out, he is in a different category
Thank you for this comment. Everything you said is accurate, but I would go even further: Ken is the main character, he’s the only character that has an arc, he’s the only character who exhibits agency. And besides that, he has all the best jokes and scenes.
I think you hit the nail on the head that we love an underdog and that’s why we root for Ken. He’s the most developed character, easiest to connect with, and gives the strongest performance.
Honestly, Ken was the only good thing about this movie. I wasn't a fan of Ryan Gosling until then, but I am now. He was just so perfect in this role and made me lol in every scene he was in.
@@lsamoa Me too! So many have lauded his work in The Notebook and La La Land (both solid movies), but Barbie made me a Gosling fan. Thought I was the only one!
@@dishevela I haven't watched The Notebook but I found La La Land and Blade Runner 2049 to be super tedious movies, and I haven't been impressed by him endorsing the dodgy lobbying group Invisible Children. So his role as Ken was a very positive surprise.
I haven’t seen it yet, but I heard it’s gripping. Barbie has second *and* third act woes. And delivers the same damn speech again and again. Not even in the same universe.
This might sound conspiratorial but I feel like that was a deliberate choice. And has been a deliberate choice for a few other people tok talking about Barbie snub and linking it to Patriarchy or Sexism. Because the fact that a female director was Infact nominated kind of throws a wrench into that narrative.
@@MackerelSkyLtd I think you missed my point. From what I've heard Anatomy of a Fall is one of the Best movies of the year and easily challenges any Male directed movie this year. And hence it got nominated. The "Conspiracy" is when people conveniently leave out Anatomy of a Fall when they are constructing a narrative of a Patriarchal Academy not treating Female directors equally and constantly snubbing them. Despite the fact that since the turn of the decade we've already had to Female Directors win an Oscar and except for last year every year has had a female director nominees. With 2021 having 2 female Director nominees. So clearly Female directors do get nominated and they even win.
@@kingkiller5325 1 of 5. Women are half the population, and we're supposed to be excited and mollifed when we get 1 in 5 representation? You can disagree about whether Gerwig was unfairly overlooked for best director. But if you do think she was overlooked like so many women before her--as Karolina does--then the fact that another woman was nominated doesn't mean there wasn't sexism involved.
I love films and always keep an eye on the Oscars despite usually disagreeing with the winners. All I want this year is for Lily Gladstone to win best actress. She was spectacular in Killers of the Flower Moon and I haven't had such a strong opinion on the best actor/actress in a long time.
Agreed-Lily Gladstone was magnificent and magnetic. It’s not easy to do that when your character has such an interior arc with an outward appearance of passivity.
What I really don't understand about the discussion - Margot could only have been nominated for Best Female Lead Actress and not Best Male Lead Actor. Some people almost act as if they took something away from her by nominating Ryan. But that's not the case at all. The question is rather which of the other nominated WOMEN did NOT deserve the Oscar for Best Actress in a Leading Role (according to the outraged critics). Or at least less than Margot. Of course, logically that doesn't apply to Greta. And I know you didn't say that in the video, but I keep coming across this stupid claim on social media at the moment. All in all, a tiring discussion. And it's no secret that the Oscars are always a bit weird.
I think the question is rather: which was a more competitive field this year, best actress or best supporting actor. Both the best actress and best supporting actress fields were super stacked this year; I don't have a sense of whether best supporting actor was more or less competitive. Because if best supporting actor was just as compettitive as best actress, then you also have to ask the question: which other non-nominated performances might have been overlooked in order to nominate Gosling. I'm not actually as impressed by his Ken as everyone else, personally. Like, I thought he was great, but he didn't blow me out of the water or anything, and personally I kept watching Simu Liu in the background and thinking he made a better Ken than Gosling. But that's just me!
@@erinm9445exactly. Want to talk about the real snubs? Greta Lee and Celine Song for past lives. And Charles FREAKING Melton for May December. He should have gotten nominated.
Good points. But you could also just argue that having a limit on the number of nominees is the problem. Like why can't they just nominate all the people who were deserving? Is there a good reason? I have no idea how the Oscars and the Academy work behind the scenes.
I hate how people on Twitter acted like Ryan being the most celebrated thing about the movie is somehow "going against the message". Just because Barbie is a movie about feminism and female empowerment doesn't mean Ken can't be the favorite character or Ryan can't be the favorite actor, or "I'm just Ken" can't be the favorite song.
I'm just Ken being a fav song is a red flag to me. Like are we just going to forget that's about men expecting relationships from women who aren't interested in it and then putting the responsibility of it on women?
This may be an unpopular opinion but I think part of the problem was that Greta could not decide what the movie was supposed to be. It felt like there were two plots going on, or two scripts that got mushed together bc Greta liked the 'Will Ferrell escaped doll comedy" arc too much to leave it out. It could have been a solid script without Will Ferrell on rollerblades. I think it was a directoral blunder the Academy couldn't ignore, bc I definitely couldn't. Okay, come for me, everyone.
Don’t disagree with the opinion, but that’s a writing blunder, not a directorial one. I get that people are conflating the two since she did both, but she, while maybe not deserving of a win, at least earned a directing nom.
@@swanhill5759 Frankly, no. Her directing in Barbie wasn't great either. The other five movies are way better directed than Barbie, and just because it's Greta doesn't mean that she deserved and is entitled to the spot as the other five. I fear people have not seen the other five movies and have only seen Barbie and are now upset because the movie they've watched this summer didn't win in all the categories.
For real. Was the real world supposed to be like ours? Then why are all the executives ridiculous, and what was that chase scene in the basement? I'm not saying we can't have fun, but *that* was weird and took me out of the whole film.
Controversial opinion, but Greta Gerwig wasn't snubbed as a director : the five other films in that category were stellar and I don't see any other one director that could have been written out to offer Greta a nom in that category. That category was stacked and no one there did a worse job than Greta. I would even say that Past Lives from Celine Song (which was her first movie might I add) was better directed than Barbie. Justine Triet's Anatomy of a fall was a masterpiece. I would recommend all of you to watch it. Pretty much all the Oscar predictions people had put Greta in their 5th, 6th or 7th place. I think it’s quite bothering that you are saying that since, in your words, Greta did amazing work, she should have been nominated instead of someone else, when in fact some female directors did better than her and didn’t even get the nod or a recognition. Or that you aren’t even mentioning the female director that got a nomination. Greta wasn't snubbed : she is recognized by her nom as a screenwriter. She is not ostracized by the Academy : all of her three films (Lady Bird, Lady Women and Barbie) have been nominated by the Academy. She is the only filmmaker (women and men combined) to have her first three films being all nominated in the highest categories (best screenplay, best picture, best director). She is the first woman to have made a billion movie at the box office. Barbie was fun and great but she wasn't entitled of a second nomination just because her movie was a cultural summer phenomenon. She'll be alright, she is only 40 years old and has plenty of time to be nominated and win a best director Oscar.
honestly same, I was not expecting Barbie to be nominated for its direction smhw it was nice but not so good that it'd make me question the other nominees
I agree. This was obviously mainly just a fun project for Greta, which is obviously perfectly fine. Nothing needs to be a masterpiece. I look forward to her return to more serious stuff though, maybe bringing a little bit of that fun into her new stuff
i would've been so mad actually if greta got recognised/awarded for barbie. her previous works, especially lady bird, are way superior directing/writing efforts.
I agree, Barbie was the most boring movie I saw last few years. Visuals were nice, actors tried as hell. But the movie was just boring with a very shallow message for stupid audience. Feminism isn't that that was the American McDonald version of feminism. And did I mention boring? There was ONE funny joke (about her non controlling the railway after being called fascist). One.
I think the reason it's seen as a 'snub' is because 9/10 times when a film is nominated for best picture, especially when there is a writing nomination the director of the film will be nominated - mostly because it seems insane that a 'best picture' couldn't have possibly had the best director. This is particularly apparent in the case of Greta Gerwig as she has, in the last 4 years, written and directed two films nominated for best picture and has not received a best director nomination either time. There's a great podcast called Best Pick which reviews all of the academy award winning films, with deep dives into other nominees, historical context and how/why people are nominated in certain categories.
I think the fact that Ken became a fan-favorite character despite being the antagonist of the movie is quite telling of poor direction. He's become the quintessential example of the John Walker Effect, as he's portrayed as the antagonist, yet everyone loves him as the true hero of the story. This alone, in my eyes, disqualifies Greta from being nominated for best director
I'm very reluctant to admit that I didn't like the Barbie movie. Although I am a fan of the message, the form turned out to be too simple and direct. What I miss in this film is subtlety and nuance. It is ironic that in a feminist film about Barbie, the most interesting character was once again the male character.
A big part of the movie is irony. In Barbieland the Kens are basically 1950's housewives and then they come to the real world and see how it's the opposite. Sort of holding a mirror up and seeing the reverse. The reason most identify with Ken is because he's going through the plight of feminism ( sort of) in an accelerated timeline. All the masculine crap they do is the way some people think feminism is just women getting mad at men holding a door open for them and overcorrecting for being minimized. It seems all over the place because who are the good guys or the bad guys? You can identify with both, like real life, and you can sympathize with both and hope for a compromise but it's not a happy ever after ending either.
@@gennafer the Kens aren't 1950s housewives though, they're just kind of around vibing for the most part being left alone and seen as a little silly. if the movie wanted to create a real representation of inverted gender roles, they'd show the Kens being beaten, assaulted, abused, condescended to, having their space invaded, having their rights forcibly removed... you know, subject to tangible violence as well as social violence. this is my biggest beef with the movie: as a venture tightly linked to capitalism, it's pretty toothless in its depiction of sexism and misogyny, and the fact that capitalism has allowed men to take so much power.
@@K.C-2049 You are trying to to jump ahead to college level patriarchy. Barbie is just trying to teach people the ABC's to be able to read the first book in 1st grade equality. The way the right wing lost their minds over the movie shows you how not ready most people are to even grasp the most basic watered-down concepts even with a slight gender flip involved. Imo it is only intended to make people open to thinking about the idea that the Kens were treated unfairly and hey is this how women feel? And hopefully, that openness to new information lets them be open to more.
I find it helpful to think of it as a movie aimed at 12 year old girls. It is about barbie dolls after all. I don't know if that was Gerwig's intent or not, but I think it really works on that level.
Yep, I agree. I am feminist through and through, but I have to admit that the best thing of Barbie is ironically Ken. Not because Margot and Greta aren't talented, but I just think he is the most fleshed out. I really, really wished the dynamic between Barbie, America Ferrera's character and her daughter are more fleshed out because that is the core of our real life experience, but what we get from it are only snappy one liners and underwhelming speeches.
Something people don't seem to understand is that both Greta AND Margot are being recognized with nominations. Barbie was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay, which of course was written by Greta and Noah Baumbach; and it was nominated for Best Picture, which would go to both Greta and Margot since she was the producer. In addition, Barbie was nominated for Academy Awards for Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Costume Design, and Best Production Design, and Best Original Song (twice in this category!). The idea that this film, including Greta and Margot, are not getting duly recognized by the Academy is asinine the moment you look at the full picture. It's valid to criticize the exclusion of Greta or Margot from Best Director and Best Actress respectively, but the way people are equating that exclusion with an overall dismissal of Barbie by the Academy is just absurd.
I understand Karolina to have said "I was bored for half of the movie and wanted it to end, but at least it was all according to the director's vision". I mean. But does it make it good direction just because it's characteristic. It's competent craftsmanship, too, in this case, but does it make it a good piece of art.
I guess it depends on what you think best director means. I feel like an ultimately failed movie can still have brilliant direction. Best Director isn't Best Picture, there's a reason we have two different categories. That said, it's rare, and I am torn over whether this applies to Barbie. She really does achieve an incredible vision, consistently throughout the film. That said, I, too, was bored by the last act, and found the the whole America farreira subplot and most of the ending to be...not good, despite my strongly agreeing with the message. I certainly think she deserves a best director nomination far more than a screenplay nomination, myself.
The movie had a massive impact, but I think the fault lies in what you stated earlier in the video...that it dragged and that the climactic speech wasn't great. I think those things were also credited to the director and therefore hurt her in the nominations.
All the other directors produced much tighter and more perfect movies. Barbie is messy, disjointed, extremely flawed, drags for most of the movie…it just wasn’t very good despite being quite out there. But as a director’s movie, it just wasn’t. Good call.
To be fair the target audience was teenie boppers. Greta mentioned that the whole inspiration was how girls start questioning their talents interests and value around 10 - 13. She made a movie for those girls. We adults just jumped on the bandwagon
There's a movie called "You Won't Be Alone" (2022) that manages to capture the existential struggles of being a female much more accurately than that "Barbie" ever did. It also handles the synthesis of gender conflict much more eloquently. So, it's justified that "Barbie" didn't get the nomination; there are many films that capture and execute Greta's ideas with a bigger grace.
Greta Gerwig isnt the only woman making movies - why spend the whole first half of the video talking about how barbie wasnt nominated because of female directors being undervalued & not even MENTION the female director who WAS nominated this year, Justine Trier for Anatomy Of A Fall? i cant help but feel tired by this massive outrage over the highest grossing blockbuster of the year only being nominated for EIGHT Oscars - why not use some of that energy celebrating all the other women who are also doing great things in film, and havent gotten nearly the same recognition for it?
I anything, Celine Song should have been nominated with Triet. They both were did better directing work than Gerwig thi year. But the fact that their movies got other nominations is already an achievement and should be celebrated indeed.
@MackerelSkyLtd Yeah, honestly. I rly don't know how Karolina can argue Barbie deserved to win best director after saying that. The whole movie was riddled with inconsistencies and weak directorial decisions that ended up producing that watered down unfocused message that was meant to pass for feminism I guess. I usually agree with Karolina but she's dead wrong on this one.
That actually makes it the perfect argument for a nomination. There are so many award-winning directors with best films that are a bore fest for about an hour of every movie. All the boredom says is that it's not a movie for you. It says nothing about the skill @@MackerelSkyLtd
I went to see the movie in theaters with my mom and sister. We had high expectations because of all the buzz surrounding it but we all left the theater feeling like it was a waste of time and money. There were only two somewhat enjoyable scenes in the whole movie imo and I felt bad for Kens the whole time. I think the only things the movie nailed were costumes and set design. It was one of the worst movies I've seen in a while. Greta was not snubbed.
I find myself torn. On one hand, Barbie achieved one of the most meticulously-crafted, fully-realized, highly-stylized universes that I've seen in mainstream Hollywood. So if we're going purely by the effective implementation of a directorial vision, I think Director Greta did a tremendous job! That said, Writer Greta left me a little disappointed on this one, and even if we separate them out, isn't it part of the Director's responsibility to find a new direction if the script is a mess? Tbh idrk how much this reasoning matters cause like yeah, throw a mustache on her, and we all know she'd be nominated in a heartbeat for this film🤷🏻♀
I'm glad that you also had mixed feelings about the Barbie Movie. My friends went on and on about how great it was and how much it said about women and how men need to live for themselves and not other people and I watched it and was like ehhh...I mean kinda. I wasn't as impressed with it and I thought that it could have had a more cohesive story and dialogue.
same here, it was a fun movie to watch but also wasn't a life-changing experience. America Ferrara's monologue didn't move me either (but then I'm not from the US, perhaps my 'feminist' experience is just better?) and I think in the last 30 minutes they really kinda lost the plot. so again, a nice movie but not a deep-thought provoking piece either.
@@benzaiten933 neither from USA. Barbie's feminism was USA based feminism. Which we could argue it's fine because the movie is an American film, it's understandable. Now the more you look at the story of Mattel the more you see how it's self serving feminism. The movie shows a only men executive room when historically the Barbie division had many women CEOs and executives. Then when they show the woman who created Barbie, the dialogue has a joke at the expenses of her battle with breast cancer. And for what? To make make her look like this "magical empowered funny woman"...ugh.
@@mrpurple11 I'm an American feminist and I was not impressed by that speech either. I found it way too simplistic and preachy, even if I do agree with what it was *trying* to do on some level.
Jesus, shes saying Scorsese and Nolan have the same style? Really? They couldnt be anymore different. Greta wasnt nominated because her directing was mediocre. Period.
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✅ male-centered stories ✅ historical settings ✅ dark cinematography ✅ thrillers ✅ crime elements ✅ slow motion ✅ idealised female leads idk, sounds pretty similar to me. obviously their styles are different, but both are examples of very manly, tough cinema, preferred by the Academy since the very first ceremony and “Wings” winning Best Picture.
@ theyre both male and white, thats the whole similarity. The way they approach the story, the characters, the cinematographies are so unique to each one of them! I understand being tired of male dominance, but take Triets direction. Who is closer to: Gerwigs Barbie? Or Scorseses KOFM? Crime, violence, bleak. Those could all describe a Nolans film too. So are we supposed to randomly define "male" styles and the chastise anything in that style just...because? You didnt even mention Triet in the first place, and your whole video is about how the bad white male erases womens achievements! You also wanted Barbie to end an hour before its actual ending, but somehow you think its better than KOFM just...the director is female? If you had broken down the technucal achievements of Gerwigs direction and compared it to the nominated director you least liked, it wouldve been a much more interesting video, even more so when you have a film degree. Saying someome was snubbed just because of her gender while indirectly admiting their directing was mediocre at best is such a dull take. Edited to add: how is Lily Gladstones character idealized? How is Emily Blunts character idealized? I think they arent, but that technical analysis wouldve also been an interesting video! Last thing: is Margots character not idealized? How about America Ferreras? How are they not 2D bland cliches? Thats an interesting topic to explore. There were so many interesting angles to this.
Yes, it's really frustrating when a movie is super lauded and the director gets snubbed. And it isn't just a women director problem. This happened last year with Dune. It got nominated for 10 Oscars. But not directing. In that case, it's the genre effect. The Academy likes drama the best. Everybody else gets sloppy seconds. But yeah, the women director thing continues to suck. Thankfully, Anatomy of a Fall didn't get ignored, and Justine Triet has been honored. And really, I don't feel like any of the nominees shouldn't be there. Killers of the Flower Moon has Scorsese's hands all over it. Poor Things is a complete Yorgos Lanthimos weird fest. Zone of Interest is so lauded because of the particular way the story is framed, very distinct directorial choices about what to show and what to show and not show. Oppenheimer is fully a Nolan film, using his usual tricks to make something better than he's ever acheived before. It's hard because this is just a year with really good options. Basically all the Best Picture nominees have distinct directorial handprints on them. Which is really cool. But yeah, Celine Song could have been in there too. And it is hard to see more men honored again and again.
I agree with you about Dune. Arrival too. seems the Academy doesn't like Villeneuve or sci fi for some reason (even though Arrival is one of the best films of the last 2-3 decades imo).
I'm surprised Karolina didn't seem to realize that Nolan hadn't got director nominations until Dunkirk and Oppenheimer. He was absolutely snubbed for TDK, Inception and Interstellar. There's def something to big popular crowd pleasing movies being overlooked by the Academy.
I do think women director problem is a part of it, but you're right. The Academy definitely has a bigger preference problem when it comes to selecting nominees and winners. That's why I really haven't taken it seriously for decades now. I'm surprised people still do.
There's no genre effect. Last year Everything Everywhere all at once fucking won. Barbie and Poor Things are both fantasy and got nominated. Like, the fact that Dune wasn't well directed
"critically acclaimed" is the key part as of why Barbie director was not nominated. Sorry but the whole plot was a mess. I literally watched this movie in 3 or 4 parts because it was just one pure mess. The only reason why Barbie now creates such a fuss is because feminism is trendy and people were swayed by marketing fuelled by nostalgia. On this occasion it's not the big bad patriarchy. This movie was just weak.
The important question to ask would be: Which of the nominees should have objectively been booted for Gerwig and Barbie? And there the answer gets a lot clearer, as all the other nominees are clearly blowing Gerwig out of the water in the directing category. Not nominating them would have been a snub. Barbie was nominated in every single category in which it deserved a nod. You are nominated for an Oscar both for individual merit in your category, but also against that years competition. There are lots of examples of movies/directors being snubbed due to the strong field of contenders regardless of gender. And there are lots of examples of relatively lower quality parts of a film being elevated due to the low quality of the contenders. As an examle for movies being completely snubbed: The Big Lebowski, Harrold and Maude, Heat, In the Mood for Love, Modern Times, Once upon a Time in the West, Once upon a Time in America, The Shining, Three Kings, Reservoir Dogs... And my money for best director is either on Triet or on Lanthimos.
I don't disagree that the question should be asked, especially as it's a difficult one to answer, and it forces us to be more critical about what makes a good movie. But I do think there's a history of unworthy films being nominated and winning, and that those unworthy accolades are, across the board, awarded to men. Which is to say, a great male director can win for one of his lesser films (e.g. Martin Scorsese. Don't get me wrong, The Departed is a good film, but is it better than Taxi Driver? Raging Bull? Goodfellas? Is it better than other 2006 releases like Children of Men, The Lives of Others, or Pan's Labyrinth, none of which were nominated for Best Picture or Best Director? I don't think so), but a woman (or for that matter, an international feature film) has to put out something so exceptional that it's impossible to ignore, just get nominated, never mind the win. And that's decidedly lame. If Barbie was by a critically acclaimed male director, it seems like it would've been much more likely to be nominated for Best Director. To wit: the year Kathryn Bigelow won Best Director, who did she beat? James Cameron, nominated for Avatar. When a film that rote can get such recognition, while an equally commercial but far more sophisticated Barbie does not, the discourse currently taking place is unsurprising. It's a conversation that needs to happen.
@@TheOvy Precisely. It is always a man who "get lucky" or "steal the reward". But women are always told to play it fair and find some reason for it. Fuck it I am not buying any of these justifications. Those Oscar hacks ain't *that* good and we all know it.
My problem with Barbie right after watching the movie was actually the writing. It was fine for the first part of the movie, but after that the whole Ken part indeed overshadowed the Barbie and the whole point of the movie kinda. I just felt like the men that are the stereotypes that Barbie movie tried to ridicule in the first part wouldn't get the message, because the second part took so much responsibility off of men. Ken just didn't act like a men but a boy you see and yeah I had some strongly mixed feelings about the Kens taking over part. Like from a women empowering movie I expected more empowerment and just it didn't hit as hard because before watching it I saw the I am just Ken part and stuff, so I thought it will be fun yeah, but watching the movie I grew to hate Ken as a character of just incompetent to respect boundaries and ignorant character and I am just Ken is something I started to despise as it's literally I am just a men excuse song, like taking the responsibility off of the person that caused the whole problem. It's not about being yourself, which Barbie was struggling the whole movie and Billie's song is more relatable for.
I agree. Like I feel like it tried to be more female empowerment, but it just ended up centering men in a way. Not fully but I feel like Ken's character was more developed while the same effort wasn't given to Barbie.
I just finished a video about corporate feminism and Mattel with the Barbie film and saw the notification for this video. The Oscars are hoping people rage-watch this ceremony because viewership has been on the decline over the past decade. Despite the hype and blockbuster status of the film, I don't personally feel that Barbie should have been nominated for more categories. There were plot points in this film that didn't work as well - the "convo with the creator in the kitchen" scene and the last scene with Barbie wanting to become human after not really experiencing humanity enough to make such a life-changing choice... it's not developed. Which is why I don't think Gerwig deserved to be nominated for "Best Director" category. And, even comparing to "Lady Bird" and "Little Women," this film was a very good ad for Mattel, but not as a standalone film. But the Oscars are notorious for not including women, it's a problem with the entire industry.
I'm so sick of hearing about the Barbie movie. Are we all just totally fine with movies all being ads for huge companies' IPs now?? Capitalist hellscape. Come on. Give me an original script. Give me something new. Just because a movie was big in the box office doesn't mean it's worthy of an oscar. I can't buy the argument that it's being snubbed because "women" when peop;le are totally ignoring the other women directors who've been nominated for their work. Barbie is a sellout.
Of the Best Director nominations, I have only seen Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon. Poor Things and Anatomy of a Fall we’re on my list, but I haven’t caught them in theaters. The Zone of Interest (Autocorrect wanted it to be the Zone of Pinterest, which…no) looks deeply unsettling. I am really not sure which of them you can argue should have been booted for Barbie. I love the production design and a lot of the moments in Barbie, but it felt like draft 2 of 6 on the script, and the failure to figure out how to solve several serious structural and tonal problems which developed in Act II and metastasized by Act III surely is part of the work of a director when you are talking about this type of “auteur” director situation. I liked Asteroid City, and it certainly had a lot of the directorial touches that you mention for Barbie, but I don’t think it was Best Director material. Similar problems in both films, I would argue. When the Lego Movie was snubbed, there were several films which you could easily argue for elimination in the category. Big Hero 6, which won that year, was my top choice for elimination. If you remove Baymax from that film, it is just noise and a loose collection of story beats stolen from better films. But Disney must have it’s animation win, and the Oscar voters regularly admit that they don’t watch the animated films because they think they are kids movies and so they just vote for whatever their kids watched most. So I’m with Yhara on this one. Anatomy of a Fall is more worthy of this spot than Barbie.
the moment I heard Ryan was being casted as Ken, I knew he was gonna steal the whole ass show. I love Margot, but I would love to see her nominated for another big dramatic role like I, Tonya (my absolute 100% amazing favourite performance of hers). figures the fauxminists are more triggered by the white women getting "snubbed" than celebrating the achievements of Celine Song or Lily Gladstone or Justine Triet, for example.
I kind of feel like I am the only one who was nonplussed about his performance. Like, it was good, he was funny, he was cute, he had his moments, but it didn’t move me, and the fact that neither the female director nor the female lead were nominated, putting aside any discussion of merit, is a mockery, the entire point and premise of the film was exactly this, and yet the Academy just did the thing anyway. I think that is where the frustrated rage is coming from.
@florindalucero3236 so if I make a film about women not winning amy oscars, the oscars HAVE to award me or else they are...doing the thing? Is this what art discourse has come to? This level of analysis is desvastating.
As an extreme Barbie aficionado, I can't overstate how incredible it is what Greta has done with Ken. Barbie is a household name, but also an already developed character that you can't really do that much with at the end of the day, other than what they already did with her. Ken on the other hand really IS "just Ken", most Kens nobody gave af about, most of them got beat up by Action Men, they are truly background toys and most girls either didn't own any or owned one. The spin she made on him is so real in terms of how that doll actually is, and this whole situation goes to show that women were way kinder to male representation than the other way around, but that's a different topic, so it's not some dunk on the movie, it's literally a female toy most boys didn't want to touch. Ryan really nailed it and I hope he gets the Oscar. And btw I owned a scented, blonde beach Ken that was literally his character in the movie haha, his head fell off at some point while playing outside tho and I never found it rip :(
I agree with the sentiment. It was a good movie, but idk if I’d necessarily call it award worthy. Legally Blonde would be worth it more if anything, Barbie felt a bit… unfocused. Another major point to remember: look at the track record of the Academy (Oscars?). Are we really surprised by the outcome? Barbie doesn’t really align with their “personality” so it’s just another instance of a lack of media literacy imo where there’s the expected outcome from a regular audience member versus an academy member.
“Stereotypical pink-obsessed blonde leaves her world of luxury and femininity, and dives into the harshness of the real, male-dominated world. Thanks to the help of her middle aged working friend and squad of girlfriends, she ultimately prevails while still being herself and demonstrates that even stereotypical blondes can be flawed but also worthy. Also, she has a boyfriend that barely gets any acknowledgment.” >Legally Blonde or >Barbie ?
I'm glad someone else thought the monologue was a bit cringe lmao. Tbh my feelings are also complex because I thought Barbie as a movie was fun but also like. Not that profound? Maybe I just wasnt the target audience but the movie felt like it took feminism 101 and shoved it into a very nicely aestheticized package to hide that it didnt want to engage with gender theory at any deeper level but surface. For me, the dance number was the highlight of the movie because it was a musical dance number at the apex of a character arc, and so I think that nom is completely fair, with the same principle of impacting a character arc for "What was I Made For". I do think Greta was snubbed, but also this is not her best work nor is it as...dense? Substantial? As other movies in the category. It felt like to me that a lot of people were wowed by the aesthetic and the audiovisual parts which is fair bc it was amazing and rightly nominated in both production design and sound. I also don't think that the Oscars are the end all be all, like the way people treat them as the objective marker of a good film is weird to me
Ken had an actual human motivation--unrequited love. Barbie just has a vague sense of unease about her existence and the movie has an even vaguer idea of how to resolve it.
first watch in the theatre was fun with friends but on the second watch it's so disjointed and the chevy commercial in the middle of the movie absolutely makes this movie more a commercial than a critique of the patriarchy
I don’t know if it’s just me, but it feels like this video is implying that there were no women nominated for best Director this year. Nowhere doesn’t mention Justine Triet’s work in anatomy of a fall. It’s hard for me to understand the blowback when both Greta and Margot are getting nominations and the Academy is still recognizing women as nomination worthy Directors.
Every couple of years this happens where they exclude the director of the movie that has 10+ nominations or they overlook the movie. The academy does this to men as well and the latest example is the director of Dune. The movie basically got nominated for every category except the director
Hot take: The movie is NOT Oscar worthy. Outside of the visual effects of Barbie world being amazing, the movie was vapid, and the storyline was weak. Ryan got his Oscar because his role was the only one that actually had development and transformation. His acting was so multi layered far beyond what is seen to the untrained eye. Barbie was not as well received as people are making it out to be. Barbie was not the groundbreaking, meaningful, life changing experience people are making it out to be. It's not an Oscar worthy movie.
Why is there so little talk about the movie Past Lives? That movie got to my inner core, had me thinking, feeling, yearning, wishing, grieving for days. None of the huge great movies did that to me. Yes, they are all works of excellence but then there are movies that leave an imprint in you. Moonlight was also one of those rare movies that did get an Oscar 👍❤️
I think Karolina danced around the key question about the director nomination but didn't answer it directly: How does Greta compare against the other directors that were nominated? Which, if any, of the other directors should be removed from the list to give Greta that spot? With only a certain number of slots the question is not whether Greta is good. The question is whether Greta is better than the other nominees. It could be that they are all especially good this year. I haven't seen the movies so I don't have a dog in this fight, but that's the question I would have wanted answered directly, as cut throat as it is, because this is a direct competition: Which director who made the list should have lost their spot because Greta was better?
I would also love to watch that video, because I've seen all the movies from best directors this year except the zone of interest (which by all accounts is stands out because of the direction), and honestly I don't think barbie can be considered a better directed movie than any of them... so I would love to see a proper analysis of that.
@@Rachciah Right, and I don't think it's an insult at all if it's the case that the competition this year was just really really tough with a whole bunch of good directors. It was just bad luck of the draw in that case, just bad timing. Again, I personally have no idea, but that is the core question here, and I wonder what she would say.
Personally I would even nominated Celine Song over greta this year.. so Barbie really wasn't even on my radar for most of the nominations it got. Which considering how big the campaign was should've seen it coming. Buta it was a really strong movie year, which I count as a big win for cinema in general :) (and my personal favourit director Todd Haynes was ignored by the academy as always). But yeah exactly why I think that kind of analysis would be fun to watch.
No doubt that the Academy has had their issues throughout the years. Oscars have been bought and sold by some very unsavory people. However, to argue that the film “Barbie” is even Oscar-material, is just absurd. it’s like being upset that the latest Will Ferrell comedy didn’t win a statue. It’s a silly comedy with a little bit of heart, like every popular comedy that’s been made for the last 20 years. It’s not unique. It was always just a toy company’s marketing payday. Get over it.
Personally I honestly didn't expect this controversy at all, cause at most i expected barbie to be nominated for a song and probably set design. I had similar feelings about the movie as you. Had fun but overall it wasn't an unforgettable experience, tho it was great to dress in pink with besties at the movies. This year I honestly I think the directing category is super strong, and if anything I thought Past Lives director, Celine Song, deserved it much more than Greta (as did Greta Lee for the best actress) so if anyone was snubbed it was her. (At least she got a screenplay nom) Also I think Justine Triet's Anatomy of a Fall was a STUNNING movie and the direction was amazing. Have you seen it? It is such a feminist work too, and such complex one at that. It honestly was one of my favourite movies of the year and I'm so fcking happy she got a nomination for it, especially since its not and american production! Also for the best supporting I was really rooting for Charles Melton (May December) who gave a really complex, moving performance, and I still can't get over that he was ommited over Ryan Gosling who gave us a really fun ken, but I think he has much more award worthy roles in his back catalogue. Even his comedy role in Nice Guys impressed me much more. Anyway, I think this year was a such a fun and strong movie year that it makes me really glad there are even more movies out there worthy to be put in the oscar race over barbie, tbh! Hopefully it'll stay that way :)
I think it might be that the other movies were simply better directed. With Nolan and Scorsese being solid locks, and Yorgos mostly a sure thing, the other two - going to Triet and Glazer - are where Barbie may have came in, right? But Glazer's direction is the most important part of that story, a Holocaust story in a vital way that encourages progressive thought and is something we've never quite gotten before. And Triet deserved the nomination, Anatomy of a Fall is such an intricately designed film that owes itself largely to her work in such a position. The overall production and story concept of Barbie were incredible, so it's great that they were nominated, but whether or not you think Barbie was inconsistent or not, I think it certainly wasn't as strong as the others. To say Barbie deserved the nomination argues it was better directed than any of the 5 nominees we ultimately got, and I don't think it was. Certainly not better than Nolan and Scorsese, and Yorgos directed Poor Things basically the same way Gerwig directed Barbie, except much darker, subtler and of greater ambition and thematic reach. Plus, it was a success at all the above, so I think that puts it ahead of Barbie. Besides, if Barbie was nominated, somebody would probably be saying something like "Did Anatomy of a Fall direct itself?" One film is never alone in being snubbed these days based on being directed by a woman, there's just so many great female directors these days.
People said in another comment that Greta shouldve replaces Scorses because "hes not all that", and she said that shes tired of people like Scorsese and Nolan because they direct always the same shit and are too masculine 🤡
People are just forgeting that Justine Triet was nominated for best director too (which is by far a better film) like wtf just admit its not about women in general its about the particular woman you wanted to get nominated.
Yes and no. Why was Scorsese nominated instead of Gerwing? That's the question here. And nolan made better movies, too. Oppenheimer is about thr actors. As for directory, I'm not a fan at all. Oh, and putting Barbie with ADAPTED screenplay??? Wtf. In what universe?
@@richardkovacs2006 Because Scorsese directed his movie better than she did hers, quite simply. I'm more upset about Celine Song not getting nominated tbh. And yes, Barbie is an adapted screenplay of course. Adapted doesn't mean adapted from a book per se, it can be from existing fictional stories/universes or famous characters. It's hard to argue that Barbie isn't that.
@@drakenefx2816 Flower Moon is over Scorsese's prime, plain and simple. Long for no reason. He isn't tough enough on himself and on his work. Just because he bas a lifrtimw bejond him doesn't make this specific work of his outstanding. You just go for the name....
Good points about Barbie’s character. Also, the film explicitly removes her influence from the resolution of the plot, because they don’t want it to be a white Savior film. The problem is that she is the protagonist in a fairly conventional Hero’s Journey type film, so the result of this understandable (from a meta story/ideological level) decision on who is eligible to resolve the plot, is that her character makes no dramatic choices (choices with consequences) for the last third of the film. You also have the preachiness and tell-don’t-show elements of the film, the complete irrelevance of Lord Business and co to the third act, and the lack of reversals throughout the whole heist/plot section of the film, and this is why the last hour of the film drags. Honestly, I think as cinema, Barbie has had its grade curved way up. It looks great, has really funny moments, but if it weren’t about Barbie I think it would be seen as a middling comedy with some incredible high points and a magnificent production budget. Honestly it’s weirder to me that such a structurally incompetent film was nominated for adapted screenplay than that it was snubbed for director. It’s like if Anchorman was nominated for screenplay. Or 21 Jump Street.
@@pepperpattynaise Yeah, I really don't get it. At one point she's essentially arguing for a token nomination because it made money and women are underrepresented as directors. Which...that is not the way.
@@MackerelSkyLtd its not really a weird take, since people have been asking for token nominations and awards for so long, but shes supposed to have been academically trained in audiovisual arts, shes supposed to be educated in the subject. I just dont get it.
Well, I heard that winning an Oscar (and possibly being nominated at all) has almost nothing to do with the actual talent, and pretty much everything to do with the movie's PR team wining and dining the academy members. I don't remember where I heard that, but the most likely culprits are Last Week Tonight or Adam Ruins Everything.
As an actress with a diploma and a thesis in which I analysed the different film eras in Hollywood…I couldn’t agree more with you: Ryan Gossling had the more interesting role to play and did a very good job. And Greta did a phenomenal job as director, although I was no big fan of the story itself.
"Barbie" is a Movie made for pushing a toy line. From this perspective, this Movie doesn't have a chance to make the big Awards. Similar with "Godzilla minus one", which is a better Movie than Barbie and got only nominated for one technical Oscar. The winners for the Awards are already found and the other nominee's are only there as a nice decoration. Consequently, there is no reason of being mad about.
I'm mad that Priscilla got zero nominations. I would like to blame the low budget since Sofia Coppola has to essentially sell her blood plasma to get her films made. Seriously though she almost raffled off a date with Jacob Elordi to fund the film.
@@300mirrorsso there is a place only for ONE female director in this category? Gerwig's work was outstanding, true vision, just too pink, too girly for Academy's taste.
@@marthalynx7941 Read that again. Nowhere did I say there was room for one female director. In this entire video, she failed to mention that a woman was indeed nominated in the category this year. She made it seem as if all women had been shut out.
I personally find Barbie overrated. Its shallow screenplay was nominated everywhere and even won some prizes, which quite bothers me because I keep thinking about that America’s monologue. It honestly sounds whiny. Show us what you mean instead of spoonfeeding us the message, which was also massively reduced to some simple/stereotypical oppressions. There’s no subtlety in the screenplay. About Greta not getting nominated for directing, I wouldn’t take anyone out for Greta in that strong lineup. And there’s Justine Triet who’s a female director right there but wasn’t even mentioned in the video. If anyone were to be squeezed into this lineup, it should’ve been Celine Song. In another year I could see her deservingly getting nominated, but not this year. About Margot, this year, no she shouldn’t have been nominated, and if anyone were to be taken out (Annette Bening), Greta Lee or Natalie Portman should be the one to replace them. Greta and Margot both got nominated this year. They weren’t snubbed.
I think it's kinda messed up for people to complain about Margot not being nominated, as if that was somehow against women. The category of best actress literally only has women (and for the first time a Native American woman is nominated too!). As for Greta, things get a lot more muddy, especially considering how tough and rare it is to be a female movie director in Hollywood. But in the end I feel like people overestimate the importance of Barbie as if it was some massive cultural thing that improved women's rights, when really it is mainly just an advertisement for Mattel. Obviously Margot and Greta cared about the deeper message as well, but I find it kind of difficult to ignore the motivation that Mattel had behind making the movie. Barbie was great at showing the injustices women face in society, but it's not like it tried to show many ways to fix things either (obviously fixing the world is so difficult that it can't be done in the span of less than 3 hours, but still). And if you remove the feminist message of the movie, you're left with a fun but not an incredible movie, excelling mainly in set design and costuming and acting, not in directing. Edit: I realized I should've probably watched the video before commenting an essay, so I'll do that now. 😂
I HAVE THE EXACT SAME THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC! I think Greta got snubbed and I agree that Ken was a more interesting character, I related to him more and I think Ryan 100% deserves an Oscar for it. I also didn't think Margot Robbie's role as Barbie was as impactful and I don't think it deserved the nomination.
@@joshuageraldbutler8037 Oh, easy. Nolan. He used to be my favorite director and I'm super disappointed with him now. You know someone is finished as an artist when they start making generic Oscar-baiting war dramas and biopics instead of inspired original stories. He should've got an Oscar for "Inception" and he wasn't even nominated, instead they gave it to the guy who made "King's Speech", a film with zero cultural impact, which just shows Oscars are really a joke. Another one could be Scorsese, the movie is just too long.
@@eurosis "You know someone is finished as an artist when they start making generic Oscar-baiting war dramas and biopics instead of inspired original stories !!! Yikes. Generic? Hookay....
I also found the movie just a one time watch but doesn't have to be watched again. Why ? Because there was a lot of talk about the patriarchy, being a woman is hard and this felt like it went on for hours, constantly repeating itself. I thought the Kens certainly flipped out and went a bit too much Mojo Dojo Casa House, but then again, they were basically servants of the Barbies and less than just side characters. And I didn't root for the Barbies to take over again either - I wanted them to be equals but they didn't do that which I found so contradicting to a lot of stuff they said. Like they go on and on about how being a woman is such a struggle and that women and men should be equals and they are constantly fighting for it and Barbie learns about all the hardships of the women in the real world who are treated similarly to the Kens in Barbie World - but then the Kens get sidelined after their takeover ? Yes, the takeover should be critizised heavily and maybe also punished but at the end, there should be equality. And there isn't. Overall just a somewhat weird thing and for my part, not really worth a rewatch.
I'm a woman. The second I left the theater, I ordered an "I Am Kenough" T-Shirt and for Halloween I went as Ken 😂 Barbie was wonderful. Ken was amazing, though, lol. You're right, he was more relatable. As a director, I think Greta deserves a lot of praise. She has directed many successes at this point.
the idea that the director of this movie was "snubbed" is laughable - she's a mediocrity and the movie is a lightweight summer trifle. The fact that every hick in the country has seen it twice doesn't make it Oscar-worthy
I think part of the problem is that films that push feminism and empowerment are usually failures. They tend to be very preachy (cough cough 10 min America patriarchy speech that completely stops the movie). Obviously, this movie was enjoyed by many people, both the super girl power patriots and the men who went in expecting to be super offended. One of the biggest reasons people enjoyed the movie was because of Ryan. Ken ended up being the best part of the movie for a lot of people. This movie actually points out double standards and expectations for men, and I think it was unintentional.
Many folks whining about Barbie are people who are attached to this Baby's Intro To Pop Feminism movie. Greta was nominated for the screenplay. Why are we ignoring the fact that Justine Triet was nominated for Best Director for Anatomy of a Fall? Why are we ignoring Da'Vine Joy Randolph and Lily Gladstone's much deserved acting nominations? People need to come to terms with Gerwig's mediocre pop feminism and expand their world view to be intersectional.
"Why are we ignoring Da'Vine Joy Randolph and Lily Gladstone's much deserved acting nominations?" Who says they're being ignored? I've seen excitement and accolades everywhere. But people tend to get most excited about the things they are PO'd about, hence Katarina making this video. People can do more than one thing, and different people can have different things they care about most.
@@erinm9445well, ive seen excitement and accolades for Greta everywhere, so I guess, going by your logic, its just ok that the academy just didnt like her movie. People can like different things, right?
But immediate outrage with zero research, and putting up a quick IG post of “Boo patriarchy!” for social media cred, is much easier. And is a direct reflection of a society that would rather be outraged than informed. Ryan didn’t get nominated at the EXPENSE of Margo or Greta. It was a completely different pool. And as we often see, box office success doesn’t necessarily equal award worthy. Sometimes yes (LotR), sometimes no (Avengers). Fwiw, the only nominated movies I saw were Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon. Those are the types of movies I’m interested in and I’m not going to pay to see something just because it’s nominated. Watched them both at home, I go to a theater maybe once a year because it’s so expensive (only movie I went to see last year was the screening of Hugh Jackman’s original Oklahoma! run from 1999😂). If people haven’t seen all the movies in a particular category, they can’t really argue about which one was “best” (and even then it’s hard to be objective over which one we liked the most and which one was technically better). I am REALLY over this view that “you don’t support women/you’re sexist” just because I don’t like an actress/director/movie. I liked Lady Bird, was neutral on Little Women (didn’t love some of the casting), and didn’t see Barbie, but I’m anti-feminist because I’m not a Greta super fan? I do not subscribe to that particular mindset.
On the topic of "Would men get snubbed from best director even if their movies get a lot of awards?" Christopher Nolan has a very well known style, and is a huge filmmaker. The Prestige received 2 nominations and is some of his strongest work imo. The Dark Knight received 6 nominations and 2 Oscars. Inception received 4 nominations and 4 Oscars. Interstellar received 4 nominations and 1 Oscar. Dunkirk received 5 nominations and 3 Oscars. Oppenheimer (so far) received 13 nominations. Even Tenet received 1 nomination and 1 Oscar. Despite this fact, Nolan has only received 2 nominations for best director (Dunkirk and Oppenheimer), and has never won best director (so far). So yeah, I think male directors can get screwed over in the director's category.
Justine Triet was nominated this year for The anatomy of fall and it`s a great combination the director and the main actress work. In terms of the plot itself it`s better then Barbie but it has small marketing budget and not so many people know about this film. I feel that it`s unfair not to give Greta the nomination but it would have been fair if she`s not a winner. Barbie is a great adventure but it does`n amaze you and you don`t want to rewatch it to understand all crevices of the directors mind.
In the first minute you say that the movie is nit very good, the last hour is boring and so on and so on..... and after that you say that the director of this bad movie should be nominated for an Oscar. Does it make sense?
i completely disagree with you about the film being intellectual. if you've read even a single article or book about feminism or taken part in an actual discussion about feminism this movie is literally the least intellectual thing possible. its themes are so muddled it's saying nothing. and as someone who was honestly really into barbie as a child she also completely misunderstood both barbie and ken. barbie got nominated for a bunch of stuff because that's how the academy works. you campaign for a nomination and you get nominated. it's not about recognizing the best performances and the best directing and the best talent because if it was it wouldn't snub great horror movies every single year and animation wouldn't be relegated to one sad category.
Shawshank Redemption didn't win any Oscars Alfred Hitchcock never won for best director E.T. only won in technical categories (visual and sound effects) The Princess Bride had 1 nomination - best original song Stanley Kubrick never won best director Spike Lee was only nominated for best director 1 time Bill Murray was nominated once and lost And finally (because I feel this one personally)... Writer/director Joh Hughes was never even nominated!!! Not once! He directed classics like The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and other iconic classics. He wrote Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, Home Alone, and the original National Lampoon's Vacation. Add Greta to the list of snubs, but she has been Oscar nominated for director (Lady Bird), and screenwriter 3 times (Lady Bird, Little Women (adapted), and Barbie. Already a massively successful 40 year old director, she's owns 4 nominations in her young career.
Barbie was fun but not Greta’s best work in my opinion nor was it Margo’s (look at their filmography). But considering the movie’s popularity, I’m surprised they both weren’t nominated to appease the masses. The Oscars had to see the upset Barbie super fans coming.
What people need to keep in mind is that there is a limited number of slots for the nominees. So to say someone was snubbed means that you're suggesting someone was nominated unjustly. So... are we ready to point finger and say "YOU are the weak link, move over"? Especially with the "best actress", it's not a gender thing, the other actresses who were nominated really worked their butts off and I think it's rather rude to claim that Magot Robbie not getting a nom is some kind of a scandal (no offence to Robbie).
Barbie is a fun no brainer movie, there was a lot of details that fans appreciate. BUT the plot itself, dialogue and acting wasn’t that great. It’s a forgettable movie and the only thing that’s remarkable is Ryan’s scenes. I was surprised that it was even nominated for an Oscar. But I know Greta is a good director I loved Little Women
I’m very sorry, I personally was very disappointed in Barbie, the movie didn’t give as much as I expected it to be, I fell for marketing and wore pink to go watch it. However no, the monologue was inconsistent and cringe, very 2010s millennial cringe. Best picture YES YES YES, the graphics were mesmerising. Also another woman is nominated for best director, so idk what the fuss is about.
I think your comments on the director category would've make sense... if Triet wasn't nominated. In that circumstance, it seems Barbie got the same fate as blockbuster best picture nominees that got snubbed for best director (Top Gun Maverick, Dune, Avatar 2, Black Panther... Joker and Oppenheimer seems as the only 2 recent exceptions.)
I totally agree with your opinion about the film, including that annoying speech full of clichés. the speech is an important plot line, but the wording is really so annoying. if it would have come from Barbie, the character, fine, but from the human? it ruined the film for me. I would have hoped for something, well, for better writing. concerning the Oscars lobby, its a thing. but looking at the nominees, she wouldn't have a remote chance. as a fellow ex-film student, and a woman with several frustrations from this business, personally, I don't like Greta's directing style. but the lobby definitely is there.
The movie was overall fucking weird and it's hype/marketing was way better than the story. The acting was great, the Barbie world was incredibly done, some scenes were amazing, but others were cringe as fuck and it wasn't put together. It wasn't particularly funny - so as a comedy, it didn't even work for me... 😅 Especially with the on the nose feminism.
I actually was really into the side plot with Will Farell. i guess because i worked in corporations for most of my adult life and this nonsense hits hard, lol. For me it was very clear and intentional, especially in the final scene. Spoilers * they are all waiting for the corporate MAN to tell them what to do and how the story ends, but he is just a silly man in a suit ( the Wizzard of Oz if you will). Barbie wants to be human ( what am i made for?) and she discovers her path by having honest conversations with women of all ages and backrounds. Like this movie has depth, you just have to stick along for the ride. * Also Margo performance as Barbie is suble and feminine yes, but it is still good acting and deserved a nomination. But most of the female characters that win Oscars are the ones written and directed by men ( and need to have a tragedy as backround, either dead child, infertility or dying themselves by the end usually ) So original.
Wait wait wait, you single handedly answered a question I had about the movie. What was Will’s point? Oh this makes so much sense now. I had wondered if the point of showing the corporations was to cater to the people who work corporate 9-5s. Who get that “yes man” mentality that puts pressure on them. I never connected the parallel to wizard of oz… Thanks!!!
Unfortunately for Margot, Ryan brought a level of levity and charm to his role that absolutely made tbe film. He felt like a pallet cleanser from some of the more heavy handed "being a girl is hard, boo Patriarchy" moments in the film. He was funny, charming, silly, and he fit so well into the universe! Im sorry Greta was snubbed but Margot didnt perform as well as Ryan. She did great, but he was iconic.
frankly, i don’t get him being nominated. barbie was mostly a snoozefest, with some grueling moments(the mattel ones, the “hi, barbie, hi, barbie, hihi barbie, hi, ken, hi, barbie, hi, ken, hi, ken, …………” one) with the exception of production design, and maybe costumes. other than that, i don’t know if it should have been nominated for anything. i was also more compelled by america ferrera in “the good wife” or “we crashed” than her barbie role.
I’m tired of every person not nominated screaming “I’ve been snubbed”. No you simply lost to someone else (and in most cases someone more deserving), Get over it. Every year it’s the same diatribe.
The point about feminism is the aspect of equality as well. Greta included multiple relatable elements of the fact that there are many people men and women who are outcasts and feel like theyre not good enough. Barbie, Ken, Gloria, Weird Barbie..........Allan
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This year we have a French female director, Justine Triet, nominated for best director, for her stunning movie "Anatomy of a fall". Definitely rooting for her 🤞
A lot of people are overlooking Triet as well as Celine Song when accusing the Oscars of sexism this year. They both made extraordinary films this year that are getting recognized with Best Picture nominations and more. We have three female directors in the Best Picture category which has NEVER happened in Academy history. But I guess Greta not getting nominated in one (1) category - nevermind that her film is nominated in EIGHT CATEGORIES - means that the Oscars are incapable of recognizing women filmmakers? I don't get it lol
@@hj-ct2qi She can take one of the rest two director nomination spots and bump it to a histroic year of four female nominees. A male director will get a nominee for doing less so why can't she. Why are you so triggered? I don't understand.
@@user-iq2no3lk2i Nobody's triggered here as far as I can tell. The Academy and the film industry at large has always had a problem with sexism, and IMO, Greta not getting the Oscar nom for Best Director is not the singular evidence of that phenomenon everyone claims it is. I think Barbie was directed quite conventionally. Extremely competently, yes, but the real innovation and brilliance was in the writing of the film, which was nominated as it should have been. If Greta had made an astonishingly well directed movie compared to others this year and yet not been nominated for Best Director, I'd join in the outcry. But all the directors that did get nominated this year produced superior work in that regard IMO.
@@user-iq2no3lk2i The only thing worse than not nominating women who have shown themselves to be in the top five directors of the year is intentionally token-nominating women to that category in spite of them *not* showing themselves to be in the top five directors of the year.
Greta isn’t in the top ten this year, sorry.
@@user-iq2no3lk2ii think you misunderstood… there’s one woman nominated for best director out of the 5 slots. out of the best picture nominees, 3 of the 10 were directed by women. They are Greta Gerwig for Barbie, Celine Song for Past Lives, and Justine Triet for Anatomy of a Fall. I think it’s kind of even more of a problem that the Director category only included one of them. And it also didn’t include the only film with a black director, American Fiction, directed by Cord Jefferson (it’s his first feature as a director in believe, but he’s worked as a writer and producer on clearly phenomenal projects).
I’d forgotten that Little Women was nominated for best costume. What an embarrassing decision.
Wasn't one of them wearing "Muk Luk" boots!?
@@m.maclellan7147and there weren't botnets!
It fucking won too
@@m.maclellan7147 Uggs, I think.
They went down to the store and just randomly bought Uggs “…like a thoughtless child, just wandering by a garden, yanking leaves along the way” as Gosling might put it.
Maybe the costume designer thought it was “Tribal, but futuristic?”
I was also disappointed that the movie wasn’t nominated for best visual effects, since there was such an effort to mimic old Hollywood production effects
I really loved the set design
Both Oppenheimer and Barbie missed that category, shows that there’s apparently a bias against practical effects at this point which is really too bad. Practical effects are refreshing.
It was nominated for best production design, which I think rewards exactly what you're talking about.
Visual effects were extremely minimal. If Wes Anderson hasn’t been nominated before, why would Barbie? And yeah, after seeing Godzilla and Oppenheimer, Barbie is like a powerpoint presentation compared to them. Imo, practical and in-camera vfx are most impressive, so I praise it when I see it, and Barbie’s did their job…but then the animate effects were thrown in as an afterthought for what reason?
@@annahill99Oppenheimer had some beautiful practical effects, but that "atomic explosion" looked nothing like the real thing and was completely underwhelming. Barbie's effects got the job done, but there was nothing innovative about them. I think the most probable winner in the VFX category is The Creator.
Oh man finally someone who feels the same way about the America Ferrera monologue! I did love the movie but some of the moments were heavy handed.
I loved the movie too but not her monologue 😅
I hated the movie and hated the monologue
it felt like a twitter thread, and it annoyed me so much because I instantly compared it to the ones in little women she has these monologues by Amy and Jo and they're written so amazingly
@@bencarlson4300 I hated the movie but loved the monologue
(actually I haven't seen it, just wanted to make that joke)
@@jacobd1984 lol
People were upset about the Greta & Margo snubs but are overlooking the fact that America was nominated as well for a phenomenal performance as an underdog character.
Yes and Lily Gladstone was also nominated in a groundbreaking role as a Native woman from the U.S. It seems like it's white Feminism running amuck and it's also verging into white supremacy.
Yeah! I was, like a lot of people, a little upset about Greta and Margot being snubbed, but I feel like people aren't acknowledging America Ferrera's nomination, or how well-deserved it was.
Fr as someone who's been a fan of her since the 2000's during her Ugly Betty & Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants days, Astrid in HTTYD & Amy on Superstore i couldn't be more proud for her finally getting her recognition after years in the industry yet everyone's attention is mostly going to Greta & Margo's snubs💔
cmon "phenomenal" is kind of an overstatement
America’s role was not even a character. Honestly, only Gosling had a real character in the movie.
“from the biggest marketing campaign I have ever witnessed” that IS saying a lot, given she’s been around for at least half a millennium
I thought you were calling her old for a dumb dumb moment then I remembered Karo is a time traveller 😅
@@K.C-2049 xD no no, I was referring to her time travelling activities👀
@@lfgifu296well what
The very brief edit of you being flung into space during your graduation is peak Karolina content 👌
The question that SHOULD be being asked is not "why weren't they nominated?", but "who would you take off the list, realistically, to replace?".
it’s self serving feminism…they’d happily pluck another actress of the list
Exactly. There isn’t a directorial effort in that lineup that should be bumped, IMO.
Easily, Scorsese, imo. I saw both movies, and Greta deserved the nomination more, imo. It's true that this year, it's an exceptional lineup in the director category, but while I loved KOFM, I think it's a less "director movie" than Barbie.
Scorzese hasn't done anything that different and exceptional. Like he is good like always but what did he really bring to the table? Yorgos or Nolan for example, right up feel fresh and give an all new outlook to sides of human life that makes you reflect. Greta created an all new world while inserting a major social hot topic that nobody managed to bring up in the universal way she did with so many underthemes. I mean she got the male audience to see through the male lead what discrimination feels like. Also she showed young audience through the daughter how toxic superficial feminism against all and everyone isn't feminism and just hate. Corporation vs Social Justice and so on. So many topics all glued together. This movie was thought and rethought like milion times I can tell you and that's what got everyone excited.
This. The other nominees in these categories were simply better. It screams white feminist entitlement that they'd think they'd be more deserving than the actual nominees.
Its sad that this barbie outrage is taking attention away from all the other milestone nominations this year. Lily Gladstone is the first Native American from the US to be nominated in the best actress category. Killers of the Flower Moon had another historic nomination for the composer, Robbie Robertson as he's the first Native American to be nominated for original score. The film's editor, Thelma Schoonmaker scored her 9th oscar nomination in best editing, making her the most nominated film editor ever! Colman Domingo is the first afro-latino nominee in the best actor category.
If we're gonna talk about snubs then lets talk about Past Lives. It would have been great to see Celine Song be nominated in directing and Greta Lee in acting. I would have loved to see Charles Melton nominated for best supporting actor. His performance in May December might be my favourite performance from a male actor last year
YES. Thank you.
Why not all of them? Why couldn't Tiet, Gladstone, and Gerwig, Robbie, Robertson, Schoonmaker, et al all be notimated?
Hardly, everywhere I look there are articles and media pieces about Lily. I’ve read humorous articles, and a few serious ones about Barbie, but KotFM/Lily have been given serious thought and attention, in more than just trade papers.
Finally. Someone with some sense around here
You are forgetting that there is a woman in the list of nominations for best director : Justine Triet. That’s huge (especially cause she’s not even American).
Imho, as a woman, I enjoyed the movie well enough on the first watch. Except I rolled my eyes at The Monologue. On the second watch it I started to realize how scattered the movie is, and how there is no real consistency in themes and character development. On the third watch I realized I don't want to watch this movie again for a long time.
It is not an Oscar winning movie. It had so much to say, that it ended up saying basically nothing about any of its themes.
It could have focused on how Barbie discovers her humanity, how she accepts flaws and imperfections and realizes that life is beautiful even if it's not perfect. That would fit with the bus stop scene, and her eventual desire to become human. You know, the most beautiful moments in the whole movie?
OR it could have focused on patriarchy and the Kens, but done it better, and more nuanced, with the end message being that oppression IS wrong, and what the Barbies did to the Kens was wrong, and try and fix it. Like, I can't see the Kens as villains?
I'm not surprised that Gosling is nominated. His character is the only real stand out in that movie. Margot does a good job, but she had less to work with, and her performance doesn't match the other nominees who are all women, since it is a female category. Gosling didn't beat her out, he is in a different category
Sums up my thoughts exactly!!
Amen, sister!
Thank you for this comment. Everything you said is accurate, but I would go even further: Ken is the main character, he’s the only character that has an arc, he’s the only character who exhibits agency. And besides that, he has all the best jokes and scenes.
Agree
My exact thoughts as well. I see the Barbie movie becoming a cult classic. That will not hold up the way other films will.
I think you hit the nail on the head that we love an underdog and that’s why we root for Ken. He’s the most developed character, easiest to connect with, and gives the strongest performance.
Honestly, Ken was the only good thing about this movie. I wasn't a fan of Ryan Gosling until then, but I am now. He was just so perfect in this role and made me lol in every scene he was in.
@@lsamoa Me too! So many have lauded his work in The Notebook and La La Land (both solid movies), but Barbie made me a Gosling fan. Thought I was the only one!
@@dishevela I haven't watched The Notebook but I found La La Land and Blade Runner 2049 to be super tedious movies, and I haven't been impressed by him endorsing the dodgy lobbying group Invisible Children. So his role as Ken was a very positive surprise.
i honestly think he wasn’t deserving of his oscar nom as much as greta deserves best director.
You should watch him in The Nice Guys!!! Super underrated movie, and a precursor to his Ken performance 😊@@lsamoa
there was a woman nominated for best director this year though, which is sort of odd not to mention - the director for Anatomy of a Fall
I haven’t seen it yet, but I heard it’s gripping.
Barbie has second *and* third act woes. And delivers the same damn speech again and again. Not even in the same universe.
This might sound conspiratorial but I feel like that was a deliberate choice. And has been a deliberate choice for a few other people tok talking about Barbie snub and linking it to Patriarchy or Sexism.
Because the fact that a female director was Infact nominated kind of throws a wrench into that narrative.
@@kingkiller5325 Or it could be that Anatomy of a Fall is really, really good. That’s what I’ve heard, but maybe my friends are in on the conspiracy.
@@MackerelSkyLtd I think you missed my point.
From what I've heard Anatomy of a Fall is one of the Best movies of the year and easily challenges any Male directed movie this year.
And hence it got nominated.
The "Conspiracy" is when people conveniently leave out Anatomy of a Fall when they are constructing a narrative of a Patriarchal Academy not treating Female directors equally and constantly snubbing them.
Despite the fact that since the turn of the decade we've already had to Female Directors win an Oscar and except for last year every year has had a female director nominees.
With 2021 having 2 female Director nominees.
So clearly Female directors do get nominated and they even win.
@@kingkiller5325 1 of 5. Women are half the population, and we're supposed to be excited and mollifed when we get 1 in 5 representation? You can disagree about whether Gerwig was unfairly overlooked for best director. But if you do think she was overlooked like so many women before her--as Karolina does--then the fact that another woman was nominated doesn't mean there wasn't sexism involved.
I love films and always keep an eye on the Oscars despite usually disagreeing with the winners. All I want this year is for Lily Gladstone to win best actress. She was spectacular in Killers of the Flower Moon and I haven't had such a strong opinion on the best actor/actress in a long time.
I think it's a lock. I'm calling it now. I can't see a universe in which they don't give it to her.
Agreed-Lily Gladstone was magnificent and magnetic. It’s not easy to do that when your character has such an interior arc with an outward appearance of passivity.
I second that emotion.
And that's despite Stone also putting in an absolute killer performance. But not quite as spectacular as Gladstone.
1000% agree on Lily for Best Actress. But I feel like Emma could win......hope not. Lily for the win!
Unless they give it to Emma Stone for poor things.
What I really don't understand about the discussion - Margot could only have been nominated for Best Female Lead Actress and not Best Male Lead Actor. Some people almost act as if they took something away from her by nominating Ryan. But that's not the case at all. The question is rather which of the other nominated WOMEN did NOT deserve the Oscar for Best Actress in a Leading Role (according to the outraged critics). Or at least less than Margot.
Of course, logically that doesn't apply to Greta. And I know you didn't say that in the video, but I keep coming across this stupid claim on social media at the moment.
All in all, a tiring discussion. And it's no secret that the Oscars are always a bit weird.
I think the question is rather: which was a more competitive field this year, best actress or best supporting actor. Both the best actress and best supporting actress fields were super stacked this year; I don't have a sense of whether best supporting actor was more or less competitive. Because if best supporting actor was just as compettitive as best actress, then you also have to ask the question: which other non-nominated performances might have been overlooked in order to nominate Gosling. I'm not actually as impressed by his Ken as everyone else, personally. Like, I thought he was great, but he didn't blow me out of the water or anything, and personally I kept watching Simu Liu in the background and thinking he made a better Ken than Gosling. But that's just me!
@@erinm9445exactly. Want to talk about the real snubs? Greta Lee and Celine Song for past lives. And Charles FREAKING Melton for May December. He should have gotten nominated.
Good points. But you could also just argue that having a limit on the number of nominees is the problem. Like why can't they just nominate all the people who were deserving?
Is there a good reason? I have no idea how the Oscars and the Academy work behind the scenes.
I hate how people on Twitter acted like Ryan being the most celebrated thing about the movie is somehow "going against the message". Just because Barbie is a movie about feminism and female empowerment doesn't mean Ken can't be the favorite character or Ryan can't be the favorite actor, or "I'm just Ken" can't be the favorite song.
Ryan being celebrated is exactly what the movie would predict in the real world
I'm just Ken being a fav song is a red flag to me. Like are we just going to forget that's about men expecting relationships from women who aren't interested in it and then putting the responsibility of it on women?
"look guys we're celebrating women, but men are still the center of attention. and that's okay." is a strange hill to die on.
Feminism 101, feminism is about women. Go pick *literally* any other movement if you want to make it about celebrating men.
@@duqial that's like saying that liking the villain song in a Disney movie is a red flag. Get grip on life and touch grass.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I think part of the problem was that Greta could not decide what the movie was supposed to be. It felt like there were two plots going on, or two scripts that got mushed together bc Greta liked the 'Will Ferrell escaped doll comedy" arc too much to leave it out. It could have been a solid script without Will Ferrell on rollerblades.
I think it was a directoral blunder the Academy couldn't ignore, bc I definitely couldn't.
Okay, come for me, everyone.
Yeah that was the weakest part of the movie
Don’t disagree with the opinion, but that’s a writing blunder, not a directorial one. I get that people are conflating the two since she did both, but she, while maybe not deserving of a win, at least earned a directing nom.
Don't directors choose what script gets filmed? So they can say ''take this part out and rewrite the script'' @@swanhill5759
@@swanhill5759 Frankly, no. Her directing in Barbie wasn't great either. The other five movies are way better directed than Barbie, and just because it's Greta doesn't mean that she deserved and is entitled to the spot as the other five. I fear people have not seen the other five movies and have only seen Barbie and are now upset because the movie they've watched this summer didn't win in all the categories.
For real. Was the real world supposed to be like ours? Then why are all the executives ridiculous, and what was that chase scene in the basement? I'm not saying we can't have fun, but *that* was weird and took me out of the whole film.
Controversial opinion, but Greta Gerwig wasn't snubbed as a director : the five other films in that category were stellar and I don't see any other one director that could have been written out to offer Greta a nom in that category.
That category was stacked and no one there did a worse job than Greta. I would even say that Past Lives from Celine Song (which was her first movie might I add) was better directed than Barbie.
Justine Triet's Anatomy of a fall was a masterpiece. I would recommend all of you to watch it.
Pretty much all the Oscar predictions people had put Greta in their 5th, 6th or 7th place.
I think it’s quite bothering that you are saying that since, in your words, Greta did amazing work, she should have been nominated instead of someone else, when in fact some female directors did better than her and didn’t even get the nod or a recognition. Or that you aren’t even mentioning the female director that got a nomination.
Greta wasn't snubbed : she is recognized by her nom as a screenwriter. She is not ostracized by the Academy : all of her three films (Lady Bird, Lady Women and Barbie) have been nominated by the Academy.
She is the only filmmaker (women and men combined) to have her first three films being all nominated in the highest categories (best screenplay, best picture, best director).
She is the first woman to have made a billion movie at the box office.
Barbie was fun and great but she wasn't entitled of a second nomination just because her movie was a cultural summer phenomenon.
She'll be alright, she is only 40 years old and has plenty of time to be nominated and win a best director Oscar.
honestly same, I was not expecting Barbie to be nominated for its direction smhw it was nice but not so good that it'd make me question the other nominees
I agree 100%
Exactly this. All five films are excellent or look excellent. Barbie was not on that level.
You are absolutely right.
👏 exactly!
She ain't got snubbed. This is not Greta's best work and neither is Margot's
I agree. This was obviously mainly just a fun project for Greta, which is obviously perfectly fine. Nothing needs to be a masterpiece. I look forward to her return to more serious stuff though, maybe bringing a little bit of that fun into her new stuff
i would've been so mad actually if greta got recognised/awarded for barbie. her previous works, especially lady bird, are way superior directing/writing efforts.
I agree, Barbie was the most boring movie I saw last few years.
Visuals were nice, actors tried as hell.
But the movie was just boring with a very shallow message for stupid audience. Feminism isn't that that was the American McDonald version of feminism.
And did I mention boring?
There was ONE funny joke (about her non controlling the railway after being called fascist). One.
I think the reason it's seen as a 'snub' is because 9/10 times when a film is nominated for best picture, especially when there is a writing nomination the director of the film will be nominated - mostly because it seems insane that a 'best picture' couldn't have possibly had the best director.
This is particularly apparent in the case of Greta Gerwig as she has, in the last 4 years, written and directed two films nominated for best picture and has not received a best director nomination either time.
There's a great podcast called Best Pick which reviews all of the academy award winning films, with deep dives into other nominees, historical context and how/why people are nominated in certain categories.
I think the fact that Ken became a fan-favorite character despite being the antagonist of the movie is quite telling of poor direction. He's become the quintessential example of the John Walker Effect, as he's portrayed as the antagonist, yet everyone loves him as the true hero of the story. This alone, in my eyes, disqualifies Greta from being nominated for best director
I'm very reluctant to admit that I didn't like the Barbie movie. Although I am a fan of the message, the form turned out to be too simple and direct. What I miss in this film is subtlety and nuance. It is ironic that in a feminist film about Barbie, the most interesting character was once again the male character.
A big part of the movie is irony. In Barbieland the Kens are basically 1950's housewives and then they come to the real world and see how it's the opposite. Sort of holding a mirror up and seeing the reverse. The reason most identify with Ken is because he's going through the plight of feminism ( sort of) in an accelerated timeline. All the masculine crap they do is the way some people think feminism is just women getting mad at men holding a door open for them and overcorrecting for being minimized. It seems all over the place because who are the good guys or the bad guys? You can identify with both, like real life, and you can sympathize with both and hope for a compromise but it's not a happy ever after ending either.
@@gennafer the Kens aren't 1950s housewives though, they're just kind of around vibing for the most part being left alone and seen as a little silly. if the movie wanted to create a real representation of inverted gender roles, they'd show the Kens being beaten, assaulted, abused, condescended to, having their space invaded, having their rights forcibly removed... you know, subject to tangible violence as well as social violence. this is my biggest beef with the movie: as a venture tightly linked to capitalism, it's pretty toothless in its depiction of sexism and misogyny, and the fact that capitalism has allowed men to take so much power.
@@K.C-2049 You are trying to to jump ahead to college level patriarchy. Barbie is just trying to teach people the ABC's to be able to read the first book in 1st grade equality. The way the right wing lost their minds over the movie shows you how not ready most people are to even grasp the most basic watered-down concepts even with a slight gender flip involved. Imo it is only intended to make people open to thinking about the idea that the Kens were treated unfairly and hey is this how women feel? And hopefully, that openness to new information lets them be open to more.
I find it helpful to think of it as a movie aimed at 12 year old girls. It is about barbie dolls after all. I don't know if that was Gerwig's intent or not, but I think it really works on that level.
Yep, I agree. I am feminist through and through, but I have to admit that the best thing of Barbie is ironically Ken. Not because Margot and Greta aren't talented, but I just think he is the most fleshed out. I really, really wished the dynamic between Barbie, America Ferrera's character and her daughter are more fleshed out because that is the core of our real life experience, but what we get from it are only snappy one liners and underwhelming speeches.
Something people don't seem to understand is that both Greta AND Margot are being recognized with nominations. Barbie was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay, which of course was written by Greta and Noah Baumbach; and it was nominated for Best Picture, which would go to both Greta and Margot since she was the producer. In addition, Barbie was nominated for Academy Awards for Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Costume Design, and Best Production Design, and Best Original Song (twice in this category!). The idea that this film, including Greta and Margot, are not getting duly recognized by the Academy is asinine the moment you look at the full picture. It's valid to criticize the exclusion of Greta or Margot from Best Director and Best Actress respectively, but the way people are equating that exclusion with an overall dismissal of Barbie by the Academy is just absurd.
I understand Karolina to have said "I was bored for half of the movie and wanted it to end, but at least it was all according to the director's vision". I mean. But does it make it good direction just because it's characteristic. It's competent craftsmanship, too, in this case, but does it make it a good piece of art.
I guess it depends on what you think best director means. I feel like an ultimately failed movie can still have brilliant direction. Best Director isn't Best Picture, there's a reason we have two different categories. That said, it's rare, and I am torn over whether this applies to Barbie. She really does achieve an incredible vision, consistently throughout the film. That said, I, too, was bored by the last act, and found the the whole America farreira subplot and most of the ending to be...not good, despite my strongly agreeing with the message. I certainly think she deserves a best director nomination far more than a screenplay nomination, myself.
The movie had a massive impact, but I think the fault lies in what you stated earlier in the video...that it dragged and that the climactic speech wasn't great. I think those things were also credited to the director and therefore hurt her in the nominations.
All the other directors produced much tighter and more perfect movies. Barbie is messy, disjointed, extremely flawed, drags for most of the movie…it just wasn’t very good despite being quite out there. But as a director’s movie, it just wasn’t. Good call.
To be fair the target audience was teenie boppers. Greta mentioned that the whole inspiration was how girls start questioning their talents interests and value around 10 - 13. She made a movie for those girls. We adults just jumped on the bandwagon
There's a movie called "You Won't Be Alone" (2022) that manages to capture the existential struggles of being a female much more accurately than that "Barbie" ever did. It also handles the synthesis of gender conflict much more eloquently. So, it's justified that "Barbie" didn't get the nomination; there are many films that capture and execute Greta's ideas with a bigger grace.
I don’t think there’s any conspiracy, it’s just that Barbie wasn’t that good.
@GoatPierrot why are you saying "female" like that that's so weird
Greta Gerwig isnt the only woman making movies - why spend the whole first half of the video talking about how barbie wasnt nominated because of female directors being undervalued & not even MENTION the female director who WAS nominated this year, Justine Trier for Anatomy Of A Fall? i cant help but feel tired by this massive outrage over the highest grossing blockbuster of the year only being nominated for EIGHT Oscars - why not use some of that energy celebrating all the other women who are also doing great things in film, and havent gotten nearly the same recognition for it?
I anything, Celine Song should have been nominated with Triet. They both were did better directing work than Gerwig thi year. But the fact that their movies got other nominations is already an achievement and should be celebrated indeed.
Super marketing is not equal great movie, si yes is not nominated for that, and poor and boring Margot R acting..
"For the last hour I just wanted the movie to end."
Same😅
Which might not be a great argument for classifying this film as an example of one of the “top five directors of the year”, surely….
@@MackerelSkyLtd Bingo
@MackerelSkyLtd Yeah, honestly. I rly don't know how Karolina can argue Barbie deserved to win best director after saying that. The whole movie was riddled with inconsistencies and weak directorial decisions that ended up producing that watered down unfocused message that was meant to pass for feminism I guess. I usually agree with Karolina but she's dead wrong on this one.
That actually makes it the perfect argument for a nomination. There are so many award-winning directors with best films that are a bore fest for about an hour of every movie. All the boredom says is that it's not a movie for you. It says nothing about the skill @@MackerelSkyLtd
And then is surprised the director is not nominated
I went to see the movie in theaters with my mom and sister. We had high expectations because of all the buzz surrounding it but we all left the theater feeling like it was a waste of time and money. There were only two somewhat enjoyable scenes in the whole movie imo and I felt bad for Kens the whole time. I think the only things the movie nailed were costumes and set design. It was one of the worst movies I've seen in a while. Greta was not snubbed.
i felt the same way
I agree with you also. I went with my niece. The best post of the movie was Ryan Gosling as Ken.
I agree, one of the most boring movies from last years.
I find myself torn. On one hand, Barbie achieved one of the most meticulously-crafted, fully-realized, highly-stylized universes that I've seen in mainstream Hollywood. So if we're going purely by the effective implementation of a directorial vision, I think Director Greta did a tremendous job! That said, Writer Greta left me a little disappointed on this one, and even if we separate them out, isn't it part of the Director's responsibility to find a new direction if the script is a mess? Tbh idrk how much this reasoning matters cause like yeah, throw a mustache on her, and we all know she'd be nominated in a heartbeat for this film🤷🏻♀
Well Christopher McQuarrie has a pretty nice moustache but that didn't help him get a nomination for Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning
Greta did the writing to tho
Greta did the writing to tho
@@antoinepetrov And he sucked balls compared to Barbie. Your point being?
@@antoinepetrov Brutal, but true.
I'm glad that you also had mixed feelings about the Barbie Movie. My friends went on and on about how great it was and how much it said about women and how men need to live for themselves and not other people and I watched it and was like ehhh...I mean kinda.
I wasn't as impressed with it and I thought that it could have had a more cohesive story and dialogue.
same here, it was a fun movie to watch but also wasn't a life-changing experience. America Ferrara's monologue didn't move me either (but then I'm not from the US, perhaps my 'feminist' experience is just better?) and I think in the last 30 minutes they really kinda lost the plot. so again, a nice movie but not a deep-thought provoking piece either.
@@benzaiten933 neither from USA. Barbie's feminism was USA based feminism. Which we could argue it's fine because the movie is an American film, it's understandable. Now the more you look at the story of Mattel the more you see how it's self serving feminism. The movie shows a only men executive room when historically the Barbie division had many women CEOs and executives. Then when they show the woman who created Barbie, the dialogue has a joke at the expenses of her battle with breast cancer. And for what? To make make her look like this "magical empowered funny woman"...ugh.
I didn't really like the Barbie movie, just wasn't my kind of comedy. I will be the first to admit though that the soundtrack is great.
@@mrpurple11 I'm an American feminist and I was not impressed by that speech either. I found it way too simplistic and preachy, even if I do agree with what it was *trying* to do on some level.
How can any adult with enough artistic education consider Barbie's direction Oscar worthy is absolutely beyond me. Insane take.
Jesus, shes saying Scorsese and Nolan have the same style? Really? They couldnt be anymore different. Greta wasnt nominated because her directing was mediocre. Period.
✅ male-centered stories
✅ historical settings
✅ dark cinematography
✅ thrillers
✅ crime elements
✅ slow motion
✅ idealised female leads
idk, sounds pretty similar to me. obviously their styles are different, but both are examples of very manly, tough cinema, preferred by the Academy since the very first ceremony and “Wings” winning Best Picture.
@ theyre both male and white, thats the whole similarity. The way they approach the story, the characters, the cinematographies are so unique to each one of them! I understand being tired of male dominance, but take Triets direction. Who is closer to: Gerwigs Barbie? Or Scorseses KOFM? Crime, violence, bleak. Those could all describe a Nolans film too. So are we supposed to randomly define "male" styles and the chastise anything in that style just...because? You didnt even mention Triet in the first place, and your whole video is about how the bad white male erases womens achievements! You also wanted Barbie to end an hour before its actual ending, but somehow you think its better than KOFM just...the director is female? If you had broken down the technucal achievements of Gerwigs direction and compared it to the nominated director you least liked, it wouldve been a much more interesting video, even more so when you have a film degree. Saying someome was snubbed just because of her gender while indirectly admiting their directing was mediocre at best is such a dull take.
Edited to add: how is Lily Gladstones character idealized? How is Emily Blunts character idealized? I think they arent, but that technical analysis wouldve also been an interesting video! Last thing: is Margots character not idealized? How about America Ferreras? How are they not 2D bland cliches? Thats an interesting topic to explore. There were so many interesting angles to this.
Yes, it's really frustrating when a movie is super lauded and the director gets snubbed. And it isn't just a women director problem. This happened last year with Dune. It got nominated for 10 Oscars. But not directing. In that case, it's the genre effect. The Academy likes drama the best. Everybody else gets sloppy seconds. But yeah, the women director thing continues to suck. Thankfully, Anatomy of a Fall didn't get ignored, and Justine Triet has been honored. And really, I don't feel like any of the nominees shouldn't be there. Killers of the Flower Moon has Scorsese's hands all over it. Poor Things is a complete Yorgos Lanthimos weird fest. Zone of Interest is so lauded because of the particular way the story is framed, very distinct directorial choices about what to show and what to show and not show. Oppenheimer is fully a Nolan film, using his usual tricks to make something better than he's ever acheived before. It's hard because this is just a year with really good options. Basically all the Best Picture nominees have distinct directorial handprints on them. Which is really cool. But yeah, Celine Song could have been in there too. And it is hard to see more men honored again and again.
I agree with you about Dune. Arrival too. seems the Academy doesn't like Villeneuve or sci fi for some reason (even though Arrival is one of the best films of the last 2-3 decades imo).
I'm surprised Karolina didn't seem to realize that Nolan hadn't got director nominations until Dunkirk and Oppenheimer. He was absolutely snubbed for TDK, Inception and Interstellar. There's def something to big popular crowd pleasing movies being overlooked by the Academy.
@@roadrollerdio565lol like a not like other girls thing?
I do think women director problem is a part of it, but you're right. The Academy definitely has a bigger preference problem when it comes to selecting nominees and winners. That's why I really haven't taken it seriously for decades now. I'm surprised people still do.
There's no genre effect. Last year Everything Everywhere all at once fucking won. Barbie and Poor Things are both fantasy and got nominated. Like, the fact that Dune wasn't well directed
"critically acclaimed" is the key part as of why Barbie director was not nominated. Sorry but the whole plot was a mess. I literally watched this movie in 3 or 4 parts because it was just one pure mess. The only reason why Barbie now creates such a fuss is because feminism is trendy and people were swayed by marketing fuelled by nostalgia.
On this occasion it's not the big bad patriarchy. This movie was just weak.
The important question to ask would be:
Which of the nominees should have objectively been booted for Gerwig and Barbie?
And there the answer gets a lot clearer, as all the other nominees are clearly blowing Gerwig out of the water in the directing category. Not nominating them would have been a snub. Barbie was nominated in every single category in which it deserved a nod.
You are nominated for an Oscar both for individual merit in your category, but also against that years competition. There are lots of examples of movies/directors being snubbed due to the strong field of contenders regardless of gender. And there are lots of examples of relatively lower quality parts of a film being elevated due to the low quality of the contenders.
As an examle for movies being completely snubbed:
The Big Lebowski, Harrold and Maude, Heat, In the Mood for Love, Modern Times, Once upon a Time in the West, Once upon a Time in America, The Shining, Three Kings, Reservoir Dogs...
And my money for best director is either on Triet or on Lanthimos.
The Elephant Man was also snubbed, despite it being one of the greatest films ever made.
I think Triet certainly would deserve it, but my money’s on Christopher Nolan, I think he’s gained too much momentum this awards season to be stopped
I don't disagree that the question should be asked, especially as it's a difficult one to answer, and it forces us to be more critical about what makes a good movie.
But I do think there's a history of unworthy films being nominated and winning, and that those unworthy accolades are, across the board, awarded to men. Which is to say, a great male director can win for one of his lesser films (e.g. Martin Scorsese. Don't get me wrong, The Departed is a good film, but is it better than Taxi Driver? Raging Bull? Goodfellas? Is it better than other 2006 releases like Children of Men, The Lives of Others, or Pan's Labyrinth, none of which were nominated for Best Picture or Best Director? I don't think so), but a woman (or for that matter, an international feature film) has to put out something so exceptional that it's impossible to ignore, just get nominated, never mind the win. And that's decidedly lame.
If Barbie was by a critically acclaimed male director, it seems like it would've been much more likely to be nominated for Best Director. To wit: the year Kathryn Bigelow won Best Director, who did she beat? James Cameron, nominated for Avatar. When a film that rote can get such recognition, while an equally commercial but far more sophisticated Barbie does not, the discourse currently taking place is unsurprising. It's a conversation that needs to happen.
@@TheOvy So which director would you boot for Gerwig then?
@@TheOvy Precisely. It is always a man who "get lucky" or "steal the reward". But women are always told to play it fair and find some reason for it. Fuck it I am not buying any of these justifications. Those Oscar hacks ain't *that* good and we all know it.
My problem with Barbie right after watching the movie was actually the writing. It was fine for the first part of the movie, but after that the whole Ken part indeed overshadowed the Barbie and the whole point of the movie kinda. I just felt like the men that are the stereotypes that Barbie movie tried to ridicule in the first part wouldn't get the message, because the second part took so much responsibility off of men. Ken just didn't act like a men but a boy you see and yeah I had some strongly mixed feelings about the Kens taking over part. Like from a women empowering movie I expected more empowerment and just it didn't hit as hard because before watching it I saw the I am just Ken part and stuff, so I thought it will be fun yeah, but watching the movie I grew to hate Ken as a character of just incompetent to respect boundaries and ignorant character and I am just Ken is something I started to despise as it's literally I am just a men excuse song, like taking the responsibility off of the person that caused the whole problem. It's not about being yourself, which Barbie was struggling the whole movie and Billie's song is more relatable for.
I agree. Like I feel like it tried to be more female empowerment, but it just ended up centering men in a way. Not fully but I feel like Ken's character was more developed while the same effort wasn't given to Barbie.
When Barbie apologized to Ken for how she used to treat him, but she didn't get an apology from him for how he treated her when the Kens took over!
The reality is that Oscars rating is so low today they are willing to pull any wild hype move. And they managed to deliver
I just finished a video about corporate feminism and Mattel with the Barbie film and saw the notification for this video. The Oscars are hoping people rage-watch this ceremony because viewership has been on the decline over the past decade. Despite the hype and blockbuster status of the film, I don't personally feel that Barbie should have been nominated for more categories. There were plot points in this film that didn't work as well - the "convo with the creator in the kitchen" scene and the last scene with Barbie wanting to become human after not really experiencing humanity enough to make such a life-changing choice... it's not developed. Which is why I don't think Gerwig deserved to be nominated for "Best Director" category. And, even comparing to "Lady Bird" and "Little Women," this film was a very good ad for Mattel, but not as a standalone film. But the Oscars are notorious for not including women, it's a problem with the entire industry.
I'm so sick of hearing about the Barbie movie. Are we all just totally fine with movies all being ads for huge companies' IPs now?? Capitalist hellscape. Come on. Give me an original script. Give me something new. Just because a movie was big in the box office doesn't mean it's worthy of an oscar. I can't buy the argument that it's being snubbed because "women" when peop;le are totally ignoring the other women directors who've been nominated for their work. Barbie is a sellout.
@@user-ug5uz9zg8zthank you for this, I feel like Im going insane
Of the Best Director nominations, I have only seen Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon. Poor Things and Anatomy of a Fall we’re on my list, but I haven’t caught them in theaters. The Zone of Interest (Autocorrect wanted it to be the Zone of Pinterest, which…no) looks deeply unsettling. I am really not sure which of them you can argue should have been booted for Barbie. I love the production design and a lot of the moments in Barbie, but it felt like draft 2 of 6 on the script, and the failure to figure out how to solve several serious structural and tonal problems which developed in Act II and metastasized by Act III surely is part of the work of a director when you are talking about this type of “auteur” director situation. I liked Asteroid City, and it certainly had a lot of the directorial touches that you mention for Barbie, but I don’t think it was Best Director material. Similar problems in both films, I would argue.
When the Lego Movie was snubbed, there were several films which you could easily argue for elimination in the category. Big Hero 6, which won that year, was my top choice for elimination. If you remove Baymax from that film, it is just noise and a loose collection of story beats stolen from better films. But Disney must have it’s animation win, and the Oscar voters regularly admit that they don’t watch the animated films because they think they are kids movies and so they just vote for whatever their kids watched most.
So I’m with Yhara on this one. Anatomy of a Fall is more worthy of this spot than Barbie.
I'm 72 and have been immersed in Barbie culture since I was 9. The movie provides a whole different perspective when you're my age.
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the moment I heard Ryan was being casted as Ken, I knew he was gonna steal the whole ass show. I love Margot, but I would love to see her nominated for another big dramatic role like I, Tonya (my absolute 100% amazing favourite performance of hers). figures the fauxminists are more triggered by the white women getting "snubbed" than celebrating the achievements of Celine Song or Lily Gladstone or Justine Triet, for example.
I kind of feel like I am the only one who was nonplussed about his performance. Like, it was good, he was funny, he was cute, he had his moments, but it didn’t move me, and the fact that neither the female director nor the female lead were nominated, putting aside any discussion of merit, is a mockery, the entire point and premise of the film was exactly this, and yet the Academy just did the thing anyway. I think that is where the frustrated rage is coming from.
@florindalucero3236 so if I make a film about women not winning amy oscars, the oscars HAVE to award me or else they are...doing the thing? Is this what art discourse has come to? This level of analysis is desvastating.
As an extreme Barbie aficionado, I can't overstate how incredible it is what Greta has done with Ken. Barbie is a household name, but also an already developed character that you can't really do that much with at the end of the day, other than what they already did with her. Ken on the other hand really IS "just Ken", most Kens nobody gave af about, most of them got beat up by Action Men, they are truly background toys and most girls either didn't own any or owned one. The spin she made on him is so real in terms of how that doll actually is, and this whole situation goes to show that women were way kinder to male representation than the other way around, but that's a different topic, so it's not some dunk on the movie, it's literally a female toy most boys didn't want to touch. Ryan really nailed it and I hope he gets the Oscar. And btw I owned a scented, blonde beach Ken that was literally his character in the movie haha, his head fell off at some point while playing outside tho and I never found it rip :(
Zero mention of Anatomy of a Fall.
WHAT?
Wasn't pinkwashed enough.
Not feminist enough lol
I agree with the sentiment. It was a good movie, but idk if I’d necessarily call it award worthy. Legally Blonde would be worth it more if anything, Barbie felt a bit… unfocused. Another major point to remember: look at the track record of the Academy (Oscars?). Are we really surprised by the outcome? Barbie doesn’t really align with their “personality” so it’s just another instance of a lack of media literacy imo where there’s the expected outcome from a regular audience member versus an academy member.
“Stereotypical pink-obsessed blonde leaves her world of luxury and femininity, and dives into the harshness of the real, male-dominated world. Thanks to the help of her middle aged working friend and squad of girlfriends, she ultimately prevails while still being herself and demonstrates that even stereotypical blondes can be flawed but also worthy. Also, she has a boyfriend that barely gets any acknowledgment.”
>Legally Blonde
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>Barbie
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@@hummus_exual lol
I'm glad someone else thought the monologue was a bit cringe lmao. Tbh my feelings are also complex because I thought Barbie as a movie was fun but also like. Not that profound? Maybe I just wasnt the target audience but the movie felt like it took feminism 101 and shoved it into a very nicely aestheticized package to hide that it didnt want to engage with gender theory at any deeper level but surface. For me, the dance number was the highlight of the movie because it was a musical dance number at the apex of a character arc, and so I think that nom is completely fair, with the same principle of impacting a character arc for "What was I Made For". I do think Greta was snubbed, but also this is not her best work nor is it as...dense? Substantial? As other movies in the category. It felt like to me that a lot of people were wowed by the aesthetic and the audiovisual parts which is fair bc it was amazing and rightly nominated in both production design and sound. I also don't think that the Oscars are the end all be all, like the way people treat them as the objective marker of a good film is weird to me
Ken had an actual human motivation--unrequited love. Barbie just has a vague sense of unease about her existence and the movie has an even vaguer idea of how to resolve it.
first watch in the theatre was fun with friends but on the second watch it's so disjointed and the chevy commercial in the middle of the movie absolutely makes this movie more a commercial than a critique of the patriarchy
lol. the only snubbed Greta anyone should be talking about is Greta Lee in Past Lives
8 nominations for barbie, hardly snubbed. Recommed watching Yhara Zayd take on this.
YES!! love her take
"8 is a lot. If I ate 8 donuts, it would be a lot of donuts"
Thanks, I will! That channel always offers a new perspective
She isn't saying Barbie was snubbed - she says at the end that it wasn't - but that Greta was.
@@melissameyers7347 its not a snun if every single other director did a better job
@@pepperpattynaise You're free to think so. Karolina clearly didn't.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but it feels like this video is implying that there were no women nominated for best Director this year. Nowhere doesn’t mention Justine Triet’s work in anatomy of a fall. It’s hard for me to understand the blowback when both Greta and Margot are getting nominations and the Academy is still recognizing women as nomination worthy Directors.
Every couple of years this happens where they exclude the director of the movie that has 10+ nominations or they overlook the movie. The academy does this to men as well and the latest example is the director of Dune. The movie basically got nominated for every category except the director
Hot take: The movie is NOT Oscar worthy. Outside of the visual effects of Barbie world being amazing, the movie was vapid, and the storyline was weak. Ryan got his Oscar because his role was the only one that actually had development and transformation. His acting was so multi layered far beyond what is seen to the untrained eye. Barbie was not as well received as people are making it out to be. Barbie was not the groundbreaking, meaningful, life changing experience people are making it out to be. It's not an Oscar worthy movie.
Why is there so little talk about the movie Past Lives? That movie got to my inner core, had me thinking, feeling, yearning, wishing, grieving for days. None of the huge great movies did that to me. Yes, they are all works of excellence but then there are movies that leave an imprint in you. Moonlight was also one of those rare movies that did get an Oscar 👍❤️
I think Karolina danced around the key question about the director nomination but didn't answer it directly: How does Greta compare against the other directors that were nominated? Which, if any, of the other directors should be removed from the list to give Greta that spot?
With only a certain number of slots the question is not whether Greta is good. The question is whether Greta is better than the other nominees. It could be that they are all especially good this year.
I haven't seen the movies so I don't have a dog in this fight, but that's the question I would have wanted answered directly, as cut throat as it is, because this is a direct competition:
Which director who made the list should have lost their spot because Greta was better?
I would also love to watch that video, because I've seen all the movies from best directors this year except the zone of interest (which by all accounts is stands out because of the direction), and honestly I don't think barbie can be considered a better directed movie than any of them... so I would love to see a proper analysis of that.
@@Rachciah Right, and I don't think it's an insult at all if it's the case that the competition this year was just really really tough with a whole bunch of good directors. It was just bad luck of the draw in that case, just bad timing.
Again, I personally have no idea, but that is the core question here, and I wonder what she would say.
Personally I would even nominated Celine Song over greta this year.. so Barbie really wasn't even on my radar for most of the nominations it got. Which considering how big the campaign was should've seen it coming.
Buta it was a really strong movie year, which I count as a big win for cinema in general :) (and my personal favourit director Todd Haynes was ignored by the academy as always).
But yeah exactly why I think that kind of analysis would be fun to watch.
No doubt that the Academy has had their issues throughout the years. Oscars have been bought and sold by some very unsavory people. However, to argue that the film “Barbie” is even Oscar-material, is just absurd.
it’s like being upset that the latest Will Ferrell comedy didn’t win a statue. It’s a silly comedy with a little bit of heart, like every popular comedy that’s been made for the last 20 years. It’s not unique. It was always just a toy company’s marketing payday.
Get over it.
Personally I honestly didn't expect this controversy at all, cause at most i expected barbie to be nominated for a song and probably set design. I had similar feelings about the movie as you. Had fun but overall it wasn't an unforgettable experience, tho it was great to dress in pink with besties at the movies.
This year I honestly I think the directing category is super strong, and if anything I thought Past Lives director, Celine Song, deserved it much more than Greta (as did Greta Lee for the best actress) so if anyone was snubbed it was her. (At least she got a screenplay nom)
Also I think Justine Triet's Anatomy of a Fall was a STUNNING movie and the direction was amazing. Have you seen it? It is such a feminist work too, and such complex one at that. It honestly was one of my favourite movies of the year and I'm so fcking happy she got a nomination for it, especially since its not and american production!
Also for the best supporting I was really rooting for Charles Melton (May December) who gave a really complex, moving performance, and I still can't get over that he was ommited over Ryan Gosling who gave us a really fun ken, but I think he has much more award worthy roles in his back catalogue. Even his comedy role in Nice Guys impressed me much more.
Anyway, I think this year was a such a fun and strong movie year that it makes me really glad there are even more movies out there worthy to be put in the oscar race over barbie, tbh! Hopefully it'll stay that way :)
I think it might be that the other movies were simply better directed. With Nolan and Scorsese being solid locks, and Yorgos mostly a sure thing, the other two - going to Triet and Glazer - are where Barbie may have came in, right? But Glazer's direction is the most important part of that story, a Holocaust story in a vital way that encourages progressive thought and is something we've never quite gotten before. And Triet deserved the nomination, Anatomy of a Fall is such an intricately designed film that owes itself largely to her work in such a position. The overall production and story concept of Barbie were incredible, so it's great that they were nominated, but whether or not you think Barbie was inconsistent or not, I think it certainly wasn't as strong as the others. To say Barbie deserved the nomination argues it was better directed than any of the 5 nominees we ultimately got, and I don't think it was. Certainly not better than Nolan and Scorsese, and Yorgos directed Poor Things basically the same way Gerwig directed Barbie, except much darker, subtler and of greater ambition and thematic reach. Plus, it was a success at all the above, so I think that puts it ahead of Barbie.
Besides, if Barbie was nominated, somebody would probably be saying something like "Did Anatomy of a Fall direct itself?" One film is never alone in being snubbed these days based on being directed by a woman, there's just so many great female directors these days.
People said in another comment that Greta shouldve replaces Scorses because "hes not all that", and she said that shes tired of people like Scorsese and Nolan because they direct always the same shit and are too masculine 🤡
People are just forgeting that Justine Triet was nominated for best director too (which is by far a better film) like wtf just admit its not about women in general its about the particular woman you wanted to get nominated.
She's clearly a feminist and using her "directors expertise" to cry patriarchy.
Yes and no. Why was Scorsese nominated instead of Gerwing? That's the question here. And nolan made better movies, too. Oppenheimer is about thr actors. As for directory, I'm not a fan at all. Oh, and putting Barbie with ADAPTED screenplay??? Wtf. In what universe?
@@richardkovacs2006 Because Scorsese directed his movie better than she did hers, quite simply. I'm more upset about Celine Song not getting nominated tbh. And yes, Barbie is an adapted screenplay of course. Adapted doesn't mean adapted from a book per se, it can be from existing fictional stories/universes or famous characters. It's hard to argue that Barbie isn't that.
@@richardkovacs2006out of all the people you can compare you compared scorsese with greta😂
@@drakenefx2816 Flower Moon is over Scorsese's prime, plain and simple. Long for no reason. He isn't tough enough on himself and on his work. Just because he bas a lifrtimw bejond him doesn't make this specific work of his outstanding. You just go for the name....
Good points about Barbie’s character. Also, the film explicitly removes her influence from the resolution of the plot, because they don’t want it to be a white Savior film. The problem is that she is the protagonist in a fairly conventional Hero’s Journey type film, so the result of this understandable (from a meta story/ideological level) decision on who is eligible to resolve the plot, is that her character makes no dramatic choices (choices with consequences) for the last third of the film.
You also have the preachiness and tell-don’t-show elements of the film, the complete irrelevance of Lord Business and co to the third act, and the lack of reversals throughout the whole heist/plot section of the film, and this is why the last hour of the film drags.
Honestly, I think as cinema, Barbie has had its grade curved way up. It looks great, has really funny moments, but if it weren’t about Barbie I think it would be seen as a middling comedy with some incredible high points and a magnificent production budget.
Honestly it’s weirder to me that such a structurally incompetent film was nominated for adapted screenplay than that it was snubbed for director. It’s like if Anchorman was nominated for screenplay. Or 21 Jump Street.
The thing is Karolina says all this and still argues that Barbie shouldve taken one of the slots of best director because.....?
@@pepperpattynaise Yeah, I really don't get it. At one point she's essentially arguing for a token nomination because it made money and women are underrepresented as directors. Which...that is not the way.
@@MackerelSkyLtd its not really a weird take, since people have been asking for token nominations and awards for so long, but shes supposed to have been academically trained in audiovisual arts, shes supposed to be educated in the subject. I just dont get it.
Well, I heard that winning an Oscar (and possibly being nominated at all) has almost nothing to do with the actual talent, and pretty much everything to do with the movie's PR team wining and dining the academy members. I don't remember where I heard that, but the most likely culprits are Last Week Tonight or Adam Ruins Everything.
As an actress with a diploma and a thesis in which I analysed the different film eras in Hollywood…I couldn’t agree more with you: Ryan Gossling had the more interesting role to play and did a very good job. And Greta did a phenomenal job as director, although I was no big fan of the story itself.
I somwhat heard of the Barbie thing but I'm just happy for Justine Triet, it's great that Anatomy of a fall got into so many categories!
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"Barbie" is a Movie made for pushing a toy line. From this perspective, this Movie doesn't have a chance to make the big Awards. Similar with "Godzilla minus one", which is a better Movie than Barbie and got only nominated for one technical Oscar. The winners for the Awards are already found and the other nominee's are only there as a nice decoration. Consequently, there is no reason of being mad about.
I'm mad that Priscilla got zero nominations. I would like to blame the low budget since Sofia Coppola has to essentially sell her blood plasma to get her films made. Seriously though she almost raffled off a date with Jacob Elordi to fund the film.
I mean its just a bad movie, but the thing is worse movies have been nominated before, so whats the deelio?
Perfect timing! I was just thinking about how I know nothing about this controversy lol… thanks meme mum ❤
I really enjoyed hearing you discuss film! I would love to see more content in this field if you're so inclined
Interesting. I didn't know all the details about female directors. It might really be a pattern which is sad.
A female director is literally nominated this year, she conveniently left that out.
@@300mirrors Oh, interesting. I stopped paying attention to the Oscars a long time ago, good to know.
@@300mirrorsso there is a place only for ONE female director in this category? Gerwig's work was outstanding, true vision, just too pink, too girly for Academy's taste.
@@marthalynx7941 Read that again. Nowhere did I say there was room for one female director. In this entire video, she failed to mention that a woman was indeed nominated in the category this year. She made it seem as if all women had been shut out.
I personally find Barbie overrated. Its shallow screenplay was nominated everywhere and even won some prizes, which quite bothers me because I keep thinking about that America’s monologue. It honestly sounds whiny. Show us what you mean instead of spoonfeeding us the message, which was also massively reduced to some simple/stereotypical oppressions. There’s no subtlety in the screenplay.
About Greta not getting nominated for directing, I wouldn’t take anyone out for Greta in that strong lineup. And there’s Justine Triet who’s a female director right there but wasn’t even mentioned in the video. If anyone were to be squeezed into this lineup, it should’ve been Celine Song. In another year I could see her deservingly getting nominated, but not this year.
About Margot, this year, no she shouldn’t have been nominated, and if anyone were to be taken out (Annette Bening), Greta Lee or Natalie Portman should be the one to replace them.
Greta and Margot both got nominated this year. They weren’t snubbed.
I think it's kinda messed up for people to complain about Margot not being nominated, as if that was somehow against women. The category of best actress literally only has women (and for the first time a Native American woman is nominated too!). As for Greta, things get a lot more muddy, especially considering how tough and rare it is to be a female movie director in Hollywood. But in the end I feel like people overestimate the importance of Barbie as if it was some massive cultural thing that improved women's rights, when really it is mainly just an advertisement for Mattel. Obviously Margot and Greta cared about the deeper message as well, but I find it kind of difficult to ignore the motivation that Mattel had behind making the movie. Barbie was great at showing the injustices women face in society, but it's not like it tried to show many ways to fix things either (obviously fixing the world is so difficult that it can't be done in the span of less than 3 hours, but still). And if you remove the feminist message of the movie, you're left with a fun but not an incredible movie, excelling mainly in set design and costuming and acting, not in directing.
Edit: I realized I should've probably watched the video before commenting an essay, so I'll do that now. 😂
Lily Gladstone is the first US Native American nominee, because Yalitza Aparicio from Roma was the first Native American nominee.
I HAVE THE EXACT SAME THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC! I think Greta got snubbed and I agree that Ken was a more interesting character, I related to him more and I think Ryan 100% deserves an Oscar for it. I also didn't think Margot Robbie's role as Barbie was as impactful and I don't think it deserved the nomination.
Who would you have knocked off in favour of Greta?
@@joshuageraldbutler8037 Oh, easy. Nolan. He used to be my favorite director and I'm super disappointed with him now. You know someone is finished as an artist when they start making generic Oscar-baiting war dramas and biopics instead of inspired original stories. He should've got an Oscar for "Inception" and he wasn't even nominated, instead they gave it to the guy who made "King's Speech", a film with zero cultural impact, which just shows Oscars are really a joke. Another one could be Scorsese, the movie is just too long.
@@eurosis "You know someone is finished as an artist when they start making generic Oscar-baiting war dramas and biopics instead of inspired original stories
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Yikes. Generic? Hookay....
I also found the movie just a one time watch but doesn't have to be watched again. Why ? Because there was a lot of talk about the patriarchy, being a woman is hard and this felt like it went on for hours, constantly repeating itself. I thought the Kens certainly flipped out and went a bit too much Mojo Dojo Casa House, but then again, they were basically servants of the Barbies and less than just side characters. And I didn't root for the Barbies to take over again either - I wanted them to be equals but they didn't do that which I found so contradicting to a lot of stuff they said. Like they go on and on about how being a woman is such a struggle and that women and men should be equals and they are constantly fighting for it and Barbie learns about all the hardships of the women in the real world who are treated similarly to the Kens in Barbie World - but then the Kens get sidelined after their takeover ? Yes, the takeover should be critizised heavily and maybe also punished but at the end, there should be equality. And there isn't. Overall just a somewhat weird thing and for my part, not really worth a rewatch.
I'm a woman.
The second I left the theater, I ordered an "I Am Kenough" T-Shirt and for Halloween I went as Ken 😂
Barbie was wonderful. Ken was amazing, though, lol. You're right, he was more relatable. As a director, I think Greta deserves a lot of praise. She has directed many successes at this point.
the idea that the director of this movie was "snubbed" is laughable - she's a mediocrity and the movie is a lightweight summer trifle. The fact that every hick in the country has seen it twice doesn't make it Oscar-worthy
This..... X 100 ❤
I think part of the problem is that films that push feminism and empowerment are usually failures. They tend to be very preachy (cough cough 10 min America patriarchy speech that completely stops the movie). Obviously, this movie was enjoyed by many people, both the super girl power patriots and the men who went in expecting to be super offended. One of the biggest reasons people enjoyed the movie was because of Ryan. Ken ended up being the best part of the movie for a lot of people. This movie actually points out double standards and expectations for men, and I think it was unintentional.
Many folks whining about Barbie are people who are attached to this Baby's Intro To Pop Feminism movie. Greta was nominated for the screenplay. Why are we ignoring the fact that Justine Triet was nominated for Best Director for Anatomy of a Fall? Why are we ignoring Da'Vine Joy Randolph and Lily Gladstone's much deserved acting nominations? People need to come to terms with Gerwig's mediocre pop feminism and expand their world view to be intersectional.
It's the white feminism of it all fr!
"Why are we ignoring Da'Vine Joy Randolph and Lily Gladstone's much deserved acting nominations?" Who says they're being ignored? I've seen excitement and accolades everywhere. But people tend to get most excited about the things they are PO'd about, hence Katarina making this video. People can do more than one thing, and different people can have different things they care about most.
And ignoring that America Ferrera got a best supporting actress nomination for this film, but I guess she's not the right shade of woman. 🤷🏽♀️
Amen.
@@erinm9445well, ive seen excitement and accolades for Greta everywhere, so I guess, going by your logic, its just ok that the academy just didnt like her movie. People can like different things, right?
But immediate outrage with zero research, and putting up a quick IG post of “Boo patriarchy!” for social media cred, is much easier. And is a direct reflection of a society that would rather be outraged than informed.
Ryan didn’t get nominated at the EXPENSE of Margo or Greta. It was a completely different pool.
And as we often see, box office success doesn’t necessarily equal award worthy. Sometimes yes (LotR), sometimes no (Avengers).
Fwiw, the only nominated movies I saw were Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon. Those are the types of movies I’m interested in and I’m not going to pay to see something just because it’s nominated. Watched them both at home, I go to a theater maybe once a year because it’s so expensive (only movie I went to see last year was the screening of Hugh Jackman’s original Oklahoma! run from 1999😂).
If people haven’t seen all the movies in a particular category, they can’t really argue about which one was “best” (and even then it’s hard to be objective over which one we liked the most and which one was technically better).
I am REALLY over this view that “you don’t support women/you’re sexist” just because I don’t like an actress/director/movie. I liked Lady Bird, was neutral on Little Women (didn’t love some of the casting), and didn’t see Barbie, but I’m anti-feminist because I’m not a Greta super fan? I do not subscribe to that particular mindset.
At the Oscars in 2022 ''Dune'' won most awards (6) and Denis Villeneuve was not nominated for Best director. It can happen to men too
On the topic of "Would men get snubbed from best director even if their movies get a lot of awards?"
Christopher Nolan has a very well known style, and is a huge filmmaker. The Prestige received 2 nominations and is some of his strongest work imo. The Dark Knight received 6 nominations and 2 Oscars. Inception received 4 nominations and 4 Oscars. Interstellar received 4 nominations and 1 Oscar. Dunkirk received 5 nominations and 3 Oscars. Oppenheimer (so far) received 13 nominations. Even Tenet received 1 nomination and 1 Oscar. Despite this fact, Nolan has only received 2 nominations for best director (Dunkirk and Oppenheimer), and has never won best director (so far). So yeah, I think male directors can get screwed over in the director's category.
Justine Triet was nominated this year for The anatomy of fall and it`s a great combination the director and the main actress work. In terms of the plot itself it`s better then Barbie but it has small marketing budget and not so many people know about this film. I feel that it`s unfair not to give Greta the nomination but it would have been fair if she`s not a winner. Barbie is a great adventure but it does`n amaze you and you don`t want to rewatch it to understand all crevices of the directors mind.
In the first minute you say that the movie is nit very good, the last hour is boring and so on and so on..... and after that you say that the director of this bad movie should be nominated for an Oscar. Does it make sense?
i completely disagree with you about the film being intellectual. if you've read even a single article or book about feminism or taken part in an actual discussion about feminism this movie is literally the least intellectual thing possible. its themes are so muddled it's saying nothing. and as someone who was honestly really into barbie as a child she also completely misunderstood both barbie and ken. barbie got nominated for a bunch of stuff because that's how the academy works. you campaign for a nomination and you get nominated. it's not about recognizing the best performances and the best directing and the best talent because if it was it wouldn't snub great horror movies every single year and animation wouldn't be relegated to one sad category.
The film was aesthetically pleasing but had no subtext. It is shocking, the film explained every little thing to you via the narrator.
Shawshank Redemption didn't win any Oscars
Alfred Hitchcock never won for best director
E.T. only won in technical categories (visual and sound effects)
The Princess Bride had 1 nomination - best original song
Stanley Kubrick never won best director
Spike Lee was only nominated for best director 1 time
Bill Murray was nominated once and lost
And finally (because I feel this one personally)...
Writer/director Joh Hughes was never even nominated!!! Not once! He directed classics like The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and other iconic classics. He wrote Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, Home Alone, and the original National Lampoon's Vacation.
Add Greta to the list of snubs, but she has been Oscar nominated for director (Lady Bird), and screenwriter 3 times (Lady Bird, Little Women (adapted), and Barbie. Already a massively successful 40 year old director, she's owns 4 nominations in her young career.
If you’re bored and just want a movie to end, then it’s not good direction
And it’s not a good movie
Barbie was fun but not Greta’s best work in my opinion nor was it Margo’s (look at their filmography). But considering the movie’s popularity, I’m surprised they both weren’t nominated to appease the masses. The Oscars had to see the upset Barbie super fans coming.
The thing we should ask ourself is. Is the movie something that is going to be rememberd decades from now.
What people need to keep in mind is that there is a limited number of slots for the nominees. So to say someone was snubbed means that you're suggesting someone was nominated unjustly. So... are we ready to point finger and say "YOU are the weak link, move over"? Especially with the "best actress", it's not a gender thing, the other actresses who were nominated really worked their butts off and I think it's rather rude to claim that Magot Robbie not getting a nom is some kind of a scandal (no offence to Robbie).
sis came out of the gate with her credentials mad respect
Barbie is a fun no brainer movie, there was a lot of details that fans appreciate. BUT the plot itself, dialogue and acting wasn’t that great. It’s a forgettable movie and the only thing that’s remarkable is Ryan’s scenes. I was surprised that it was even nominated for an Oscar. But I know Greta is a good director I loved Little Women
I’m very sorry, I personally was very disappointed in Barbie, the movie didn’t give as much as I expected it to be, I fell for marketing and wore pink to go watch it.
However no, the monologue was inconsistent and cringe, very 2010s millennial cringe.
Best picture YES YES YES, the graphics were mesmerising.
Also another woman is nominated for best director, so idk what the fuss is about.
I think your comments on the director category would've make sense... if Triet wasn't nominated. In that circumstance, it seems Barbie got the same fate as blockbuster best picture nominees that got snubbed for best director (Top Gun Maverick, Dune, Avatar 2, Black Panther... Joker and Oppenheimer seems as the only 2 recent exceptions.)
Ryan did not deserve a nomination at all. That spot should have gone to Andrew Scott
I totally agree with your opinion about the film, including that annoying speech full of clichés. the speech is an important plot line, but the wording is really so annoying. if it would have come from Barbie, the character, fine, but from the human? it ruined the film for me. I would have hoped for something, well, for better writing.
concerning the Oscars lobby, its a thing. but looking at the nominees, she wouldn't have a remote chance. as a fellow ex-film student, and a woman with several frustrations from this business, personally, I don't like Greta's directing style. but the lobby definitely is there.
The oscars are not about which movie made the most money
The movie was overall fucking weird and it's hype/marketing was way better than the story. The acting was great, the Barbie world was incredibly done, some scenes were amazing, but others were cringe as fuck and it wasn't put together. It wasn't particularly funny - so as a comedy, it didn't even work for me... 😅 Especially with the on the nose feminism.
I actually was really into the side plot with Will Farell. i guess because i worked in corporations for most of my adult life and this nonsense hits hard, lol. For me it was very clear and intentional, especially in the final scene. Spoilers * they are all waiting for the corporate MAN to tell them what to do and how the story ends, but he is just a silly man in a suit ( the Wizzard of Oz if you will). Barbie wants to be human ( what am i made for?) and she discovers her path by having honest conversations with women of all ages and backrounds. Like this movie has depth, you just have to stick along for the ride. * Also Margo performance as Barbie is suble and feminine yes, but it is still good acting and deserved a nomination. But most of the female characters that win Oscars are the ones written and directed by men ( and need to have a tragedy as backround, either dead child, infertility or dying themselves by the end usually ) So original.
Wait wait wait, you single handedly answered a question I had about the movie. What was Will’s point? Oh this makes so much sense now. I had wondered if the point of showing the corporations was to cater to the people who work corporate 9-5s. Who get that “yes man” mentality that puts pressure on them. I never connected the parallel to wizard of oz… Thanks!!!
Unfortunately for Margot, Ryan brought a level of levity and charm to his role that absolutely made tbe film. He felt like a pallet cleanser from some of the more heavy handed "being a girl is hard, boo Patriarchy" moments in the film. He was funny, charming, silly, and he fit so well into the universe! Im sorry Greta was snubbed but Margot didnt perform as well as Ryan. She did great, but he was iconic.
frankly, i don’t get him being nominated. barbie was mostly a snoozefest, with some grueling moments(the mattel ones, the “hi, barbie, hi, barbie, hihi barbie, hi, ken, hi, barbie, hi, ken, hi, ken, …………” one) with the exception of production design, and maybe costumes. other than that, i don’t know if it should have been nominated for anything. i was also more compelled by america ferrera in “the good wife” or “we crashed” than her barbie role.
Ken was my favorite character too and you illustrate why perfectly
They should rather give “participation award” so no more whining from anybody
This wasn't the best film of Gerwing and it wasn't the best film of Robbie.
I’m tired of every person not nominated screaming “I’ve been snubbed”. No you simply lost to someone else (and in most cases someone more deserving), Get over it. Every year it’s the same diatribe.
"Waking up in the middle of the dark, polish night" is basically living in Poland
The point about feminism is the aspect of equality as well. Greta included multiple relatable elements of the fact that there are many people men and women who are outcasts and feel like theyre not good enough. Barbie, Ken, Gloria, Weird Barbie..........Allan