"couldn't stop the dollar from luring Formula 1 away to a car park in Las Vegas" literally what's happening right now with F1. So many great tracks in the world to race at, yet for some reason we are gonna have a race in Las Vegas at 10pm next year.
The landscape is gorgeous, but I'm afraid the investment to retrofit this raceway to current requirements will be huge... beyond any affordable limits. It's a pitty.
No hotels within reasonable distance. Word has it that Bernie used to commute from Chicago to IMS back in the day 'cause Indy didn't have a nice enough hotel. The pits and media center are hopeless, would require a bulldozer to fix. The fencing dictating the crowd control would have to be redone. That's just a warmup.
Huge respect for these drivers. They weren't just working very hard to keep the car on the track, and be fast, but a mistake or an accident could have easily cost their lives. Completely completely different mindset to drive, and make decisions while racing. They didn't need instagram, or youtube livestreams to be famous or popular. They earned their respect on the track. Today's F1 can be faster, more modern, more Gs, yet these guys in the old days, just had that extra.
the drivers today do not need instagram or youtube streams to be famous. the sponsors want it. and that keeps em racing. so there's no need to have a sly dig at anyone to make your point.
I agree. If Zandvoort (given how tight it is) returned to the F1 calendar, I don't see why the Glen cannot. Of course, it should replace one of the current US tracks since they have so many
There was a very good biography of Pironi by David Sedgwick that came out a couple of years ago. I highly recommend you read it, if you haven't already. Pironi was a very interesting person (on and off track).
Wow, killer footage. I'd forgotten about the chicane up the esses... Also, it's wonderful to see the circuit pre bus-stop chicane... fantastic overtaking possibilities... Ideally, implement ample run off and construction/safety barriers etc, I'd love to see the bus stop removed. I remember J.D. McDuffie's wreck like it was yesterday, same with Senna at Imola... yet these chicanes have a tendency to fundamentally change any circuit's passing characteristics... get rid of them and implement adequate run off safety. After all, as Hemingway stated; Bull Fighting, Motor Racing, and Mountaineering, ... everything else is a game.
To go that fast in cars with crap tires and old suspension and frames, they were GODS, compared to todays pampered drivers with light yrs advance tech.
Was awesome before all the guardrails went up right alongside the track. The back straight was especially great to watch with a clear view. I understand the safety needs but damn. it was great to watch the cars there before.
@@paulhall170 2022 should make some difference. The change in suspension rules and the lower profile front tyres will make the cars more dependent od their suspension and they should dance around a bit more.
drove this track in GT7 recently and after watching this video i learned that the track has barely changed anything beside some tarmac runoff areas and flatter curbs. it’s great to see tracks like this maintain their layout.
Granted it's not as dramatic as the evolution of Silverstone, but compaing the modern layout to the one in this video at 0:09, they've added the bus stop chicane and the deleted the chicane in the esses (which was added in 75 after Cevert and stuck around until ~83 or so). Other than that, I guess it's p. much the same.
Didier was just five points away from winning the 1982 World Championship and he missed the last five races after his horrific crash in Germany, that Championship was his…
@@Fergy00000 it’s pretty sick, driving there at night is wild, looks great feels very different than a lot Of the other tracks in the game. reminds me of Zaandvort
There is no abs, traction control, stability management, or any other kind of electronic assists today. Telemetry is for the engineers to tune the car it's just data gathering. Knowing the intake air temperature and tire pressure changes doesn't help the driver right then. There's tighter racing today due to the saftey drivers just go for it 100% because they know if they crash they are going to live. Which is why Hamilton and Verstappen got so absolutely crazy. In the old days they either wouldn't race like that or they would both be dead. Mind you there are zero gaps in the powerband in these cars nowadays due to the electric motors making instant torque and they are pushing over 1000hp making them probably about as twitchy as they ever have been short of when they ran grooved slicks back in like 2004
@@n111254789 the wheelbases are longer though, I think from memory, either Martin Brundle or Jeremy Clarkson said that they're like Limousines these days! It would be lovely to go back to those short nimble rockets we had back in 2003-2008... But please, no grooves. If you have the time watch back a 2008 Monaco qualifying session. The cars are positively skimming across the surface of the roads. Totally different formula of racing!
@@aarongreen121 Oh I watch ton's of the old videos I like pretty much all era's beside the beginning of the hybrid era that was awful. 08 was a fantastic season and in qualifying trim they were awesome. They for sure have gotten much longer but slightly narrower than some points in the past. But yeah they are about 800mm longer than in 90's. They are roughly 5 meters long now which is very long. A large reason for that is simply speed their average speed has increased drastically and with that you need stability so rotational inertia is a big factor and aerodynamics since the cars are restricted to 2000mm wide now and only 1600mm on the floor if you want more surface area for ground effect and over the body airflow it has to be an increase in length. They focus less on street circuits so having a car that short provides really no benefit these modern cars are much more nimble at high speeds than the old cars simply because they can turn much harder without ending up facing backwards. So both are very nimble just at different ranges of speed. Neither could do what the other can. I'm just thankful active suspension, traction control, and abs didn't stick around as long as they are fully driving it and the cars continue to get faster I'm happy.
These men were "Gladiators" . Niki Lauda was right , "Today Formula One is too safe" . Don't want to see any one hurt , but drivers now take an attitude that back in the day = death .
I'm pretty sure that they can, but not as good as these guys, check out the video where lewis and nico rosberg drove fangio's mercedes, lewis struggled to shift gears in the proper way, meanwhile nico, as a vintage cars lover, was actually using the right technique
@@pianortd4800 Yes but how many laps did he get to do in it. Also, I’d be pretty sure even the contemporary drivers would have found it difficult the only real way to find out would be to compare lap times and that simply can’t happen.
Pois é mais deixando esse fato de lado MÁXIMO RESPEITO POR ESSES PILOTOS ANTIGOS é nítida a dificuldade de guiar essas máquinas na aquela época realmente vê o esforço dos pilotos. Já hoje...
Because back then they're focused on the innovation and how these drivers would finish the race with their car that are made from art, computer electronics back in the day drivers are literally working inside of the cockpit.
Give senna lauda etc 1 month in new cars in their prime not one current driver would not be lapped in a full race, i would bet my house on it. I have seen racers for 50 yrs, let the real greats get one month in seat, they would make todays drivers look like rookies. Most would crash out in 5 laps trying to keep them in sight.
Like a fkn nagging Budgie, famous for holding a fkn piece of wire and getting it wrong, loved it when James Hunt use to batter him about on the commentary.
Rip pironi and depailler two very fast and underated drivers
Pironi son of a pitch
@@aperitivoitaliano Gilles Villeneuve fan by any chance?
RIP
Pironi. 1982's real world champion.
👍👏👏👏
I did not realise how much I missed Sir Murray until I heard him here.
"couldn't stop the dollar from luring Formula 1 away to a car park in Las Vegas" literally what's happening right now with F1. So many great tracks in the world to race at, yet for some reason we are gonna have a race in Las Vegas at 10pm next year.
the vegas layout is a fire doe, like a monza pedal to the metal stuff
@@kuckoo9036 yes miami layout is a disaster.
Dog the race hasn’t even happened yet, these purist f1 gatekeepers are so boring man don’t even give new places a chance
Americans
@@hunterdanton3752 my dude they are removing spa from the calendar
The harmonic note of both engines at 1:15. Wow.
Look at all that hard work with steering wheel in the corners...
1:47 ha! Good old Murray.
I used to watch these on Speedvision back in the late 80's. I miss them.
I would really love to see F1 go back here. It's still an awesome circuit.
The landscape is gorgeous, but I'm afraid the investment to retrofit this raceway to current requirements will be huge... beyond any affordable limits. It's a pitty.
@@maurocoimbra9624 I think replacing the barriers would be a huge investment as well and it probably another reason they will never come back.
No hotels within reasonable distance. Word has it that Bernie used to commute from Chicago to IMS back in the day 'cause Indy didn't have a nice enough hotel. The pits and media center are hopeless, would require a bulldozer to fix. The fencing dictating the crowd control would have to be redone. That's just a warmup.
Would be a micky mouse track with zero overtakes.
No sense ruining a perfectly good race track for modern F1.
Huge respect for these drivers. They weren't just working very hard to keep the car on the track, and be fast, but a mistake or an accident could have easily cost their lives. Completely completely different mindset to drive, and make decisions while racing. They didn't need instagram, or youtube livestreams to be famous or popular. They earned their respect on the track. Today's F1 can be faster, more modern, more Gs, yet these guys in the old days, just had that extra.
Mindset is the same, you don't think about killing yourself.
Not to mention a higher probability of fire in the event of a bad crash. These cars were mobile Molotov cocktails.
the drivers today do not need instagram or youtube streams to be famous. the sponsors want it. and that keeps em racing. so there's no need to have a sly dig at anyone to make your point.
@@james2578 Kimi, sponsors want you on live streams....Bwoah, i don't care, leave me alone
You're rigth...
Watkins glen was such a modern and revolutionary track for its time, the glen is one of my top 3 race tracks, the classic layout is soo awesome
I agree. If Zandvoort (given how tight it is) returned to the F1 calendar, I don't see why the Glen cannot. Of course, it should replace one of the current US tracks since they have so many
@@matchu9995 the glen doesn’t have the facilities to hold a f1 race it doesn’t even have a paddock building
@@thatonenigeriansformula If only F1 invested in reviving the glen instead of destroying the LV strip..
Man i Iove these old tracks..
I love old Interlagos!
tilke was sheet. old was( almost) always better
Would love to see the USGP back at the Glen.
Those were real drivers! Absolutely stunning
The long gone Pironi, Depailler and Murray Walker
I was lucky enough to meet two of them. I have Piron's autograph and a photograph with Murray. Never me Patrick.
Peroni was my favorite driver when I was a kid.
Sad about his terrible crash.
Never drove the same afterwards.
RIP
There was a very good biography of Pironi by David Sedgwick that came out a couple of years ago. I highly recommend you read it, if you haven't already. Pironi was a very interesting person (on and off track).
Seeing these guys lap the Glen is like seeing an old lover.
very thrilling to watch this!!! I have driven my Porsche 944turbo in the same tire tracks!!!! 😂😂😂😂🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🏁🏁🍺🍺🍺
Wow, killer footage. I'd forgotten about the chicane up the esses...
Also, it's wonderful to see the circuit pre bus-stop chicane... fantastic overtaking possibilities...
Ideally, implement ample run off and construction/safety barriers etc, I'd love to see the bus stop removed.
I remember J.D. McDuffie's wreck like it was yesterday, same with Senna at Imola... yet these chicanes have a tendency to fundamentally change any circuit's passing characteristics... get rid of them and implement adequate run off safety.
After all, as Hemingway stated; Bull Fighting, Motor Racing, and
Mountaineering, ... everything else is a game.
i think the chicane in the esses qere there because of cevert´s fatal crash ...am i right?
@@rdtli The chicane was added from 1975 onwards, after both Cevert and Koinigg's fatal accidents.
When sex was safe motor racing was dangerous
To go that fast in cars with crap tires and old suspension and frames, they were GODS, compared to todays pampered drivers with light yrs advance tech.
Wonderful video with REAL drivers in REAL cars on a REAL track!
The Glen is great for ANY racing. I've seen NASCAR, GTP and Touring Car Endurance racing there. Awesome track!
You got that right !!!! Driven there many times myself in the Porsche! ! So many great cars / drivers !!🍺🍺🍺🍺😄😄😎😎
Do not forget bike racing there. Awesome.
And Watkins Glen is where Formula 1 needs to go back to. Phenomenal circuit
Would cost millions to make it up to new standards , especially the pit Lane with garages and run offs and it would lose money like COTA
charles anzalone
There are enough interested parties/investors that would be very happy to do it. Money isn’t the issue
@@SN-nh6pq NASCAR owns Watkins Glen. They are cheapskates. They aren't going to bring the circuit up to standards.
Man, i miss his voice
too right
Awesome the chicane after first corner!
Added after every crash ,only lasted few years before esses up hill were restored
Ruined the course
so sad Watkins Glen isnt the host anymore, amazing circuit, awesome in nascar, awesome in old f1
1:42 nothing has changed, murray...nothing has changed
I love the drop offs either side of the tarmac
Was awesome before all the guardrails went up right alongside the track. The back straight was especially great to watch with a clear view. I understand the safety needs but damn. it was great to watch the cars there before.
This footage is better than the last 10 years of F1 together.
Liberty Media, just bring back these cameras and give us more onboards
Huh? F1TV lets you choose all the on boards you want.
When men were men and curbs were curbs.
F1 needs to return to the Glen
F1 needs to return to real drivers and real cars, that's what it REALLY needs to do.....
@@paulhall170 2022 should make some difference. The change in suspension rules and the lower profile front tyres will make the cars more dependent od their suspension and they should dance around a bit more.
That track is nuts.
My god these cars were a handful.
drove this track in GT7 recently and after watching this video i learned that the track has barely changed anything beside some tarmac runoff areas and flatter curbs. it’s great to see tracks like this maintain their layout.
I drove the full track, including the boot, first in SCCA Formula Continental and then in F-Mazda. Its a fun track and very fast.
@@epistte pretty cool, howd you get a seat in fc and formula mazda?
Granted it's not as dramatic as the evolution of Silverstone, but compaing the modern layout to the one in this video at 0:09, they've added the bus stop chicane and the deleted the chicane in the esses (which was added in 75 after Cevert and stuck around until ~83 or so).
Other than that, I guess it's p. much the same.
Man...that was racing for racers...
SPA vibes. Shame this could’ve stayed on the F1 calendar.
No problem staying within track limits there.
Didier was just five points away from winning the 1982 World Championship and he missed the last five races after his horrific crash in Germany, that Championship was his…
Murray Walker ❤️ rip
Watching this to get some pointers for Gran Turismo 7. very challenging track
The track is coming to ACC also. Very exciting. Can't wait to try it.
@@Fergy00000 it’s pretty sick, driving there at night is wild, looks great feels very different than a lot
Of the other tracks in the game. reminds me of Zaandvort
Before paddle shifters
Pironi should have been World Champion 1982...
You really had to fight these cars wow
What a pity Murray is talking over this great footage.
Crazy to see how close they can run together, let's hope for more of that kind of action in '22.
Never happen until they take electronics and telemetry out and make racers do the racing.
There is no abs, traction control, stability management, or any other kind of electronic assists today. Telemetry is for the engineers to tune the car it's just data gathering. Knowing the intake air temperature and tire pressure changes doesn't help the driver right then. There's tighter racing today due to the saftey drivers just go for it 100% because they know if they crash they are going to live. Which is why Hamilton and Verstappen got so absolutely crazy. In the old days they either wouldn't race like that or they would both be dead. Mind you there are zero gaps in the powerband in these cars nowadays due to the electric motors making instant torque and they are pushing over 1000hp making them probably about as twitchy as they ever have been short of when they ran grooved slicks back in like 2004
@@n111254789 the wheelbases are longer though, I think from memory, either Martin Brundle or Jeremy Clarkson said that they're like Limousines these days! It would be lovely to go back to those short nimble rockets we had back in 2003-2008... But please, no grooves. If you have the time watch back a 2008 Monaco qualifying session. The cars are positively skimming across the surface of the roads. Totally different formula of racing!
@@aarongreen121 Oh I watch ton's of the old videos I like pretty much all era's beside the beginning of the hybrid era that was awful. 08 was a fantastic season and in qualifying trim they were awesome. They for sure have gotten much longer but slightly narrower than some points in the past. But yeah they are about 800mm longer than in 90's. They are roughly 5 meters long now which is very long.
A large reason for that is simply speed their average speed has increased drastically and with that you need stability so rotational inertia is a big factor and aerodynamics since the cars are restricted to 2000mm wide now and only 1600mm on the floor if you want more surface area for ground effect and over the body airflow it has to be an increase in length. They focus less on street circuits so having a car that short provides really no benefit these modern cars are much more nimble at high speeds than the old cars simply because they can turn much harder without ending up facing backwards. So both are very nimble just at different ranges of speed. Neither could do what the other can. I'm just thankful active suspension, traction control, and abs didn't stick around as long as they are fully driving it and the cars continue to get faster I'm happy.
Watkins glen is about 40 minutes from me, I would kill to have f1 return there even if the racing and the cars aren't as exciting as they used to be
Merci !
This has an American Nurburgring feeling...
Insane!
Remember the bog
Tough one to find now. Maybe Ebay??
These men were "Gladiators" . Niki Lauda was right , "Today Formula One is too safe" . Don't want to see any one hurt , but drivers now take an attitude that back in the day = death .
Terrifying and thrilling
I used to have this complete video, I can't find it anywhere...Help please!
So did i, i recorded it on VHS & now it's gone
I'm going to try and up load the complete video. Or a least break it down into laps like this one.
Race cars without some much electronics. Could today's drivers accelerate, shifts,and brake?
Don't be so daft. Of course they can.
I'm pretty sure that they can, but not as good as these guys, check out the video where lewis and nico rosberg drove fangio's mercedes, lewis struggled to shift gears in the proper way, meanwhile nico, as a vintage cars lover, was actually using the right technique
@@pianortd4800 How many times did you say he drove it?
@@thethirdman225 they drove those cars on the nurburgring nordscheilfe back in 2013 if i'm not wrong
@@pianortd4800 Yes but how many laps did he get to do in it. Also, I’d be pretty sure even the contemporary drivers would have found it difficult the only real way to find out would be to compare lap times and that simply can’t happen.
A volta perfeita e de Airton senna
Isso memo cara falo tudo
Cara nao existe um seim o outro sao lenda eses caras
Man we need the glenn back
Mate this is scary..
What year this video?
Pironi drove for Tyrrell from 78 to 79. My guess is 79.
F1 races in America lost money from the 80 on
much better than that pos that COTA is imo.
murray saying it how it is
My guys breathin race fuel
nem passou o cara que ia na frente, essa é volta de Deus?
Pois é mais deixando esse fato de lado MÁXIMO RESPEITO POR ESSES PILOTOS ANTIGOS é nítida a dificuldade de guiar essas máquinas na aquela época realmente vê o esforço dos pilotos.
Já hoje...
How about Senna at Donington?
They look faster than today's cars
Really? If one saw a side-by-side of a modern F1 car turning a hot-lap at the Glen compared to this video, it'd be day-and-night.
the effort those guys used to go through to keep the car on the track. Today's cars are faster but way more boring
Yeah... also the camerawork was more visceral and made everything look faster haha
Looked and handled like big gokarts, super era for the sport.
Because back then they're focused on the innovation and how these drivers would finish the race with their car that are made from art, computer electronics back in the day drivers are literally working inside of the cockpit.
@@danz356 go karts is right. Zero protection. Like they are riding on top of the car instead of protected by it. Look how lose and unprotected he is.
Mônaco senna
Not Dipier. It's Didier.
He said Depailler (who was driving the car in front of Pironi).
*Didier
Ok
Give senna lauda etc 1 month in new cars in their prime not one current driver would not be lapped in a full race, i would bet my house on it. I have seen racers for 50 yrs, let the real greats get one month in seat, they would make todays drivers look like rookies. Most would crash out in 5 laps trying to keep them in sight.
So what?
That chicane is an abomination. Bus stop is so much better. It's actually fun to drive.
The chicane was installed after Cevert's fatal accident in 1973. It probably prevented a lot of others.
Pironi le traite chez Ferrari envers Gilles Villeneuve !
Ferrari were leaning towards Gillies in 79?
let’s not talk about F1 going to the Glen, i’d prefer an iconic circuit not to be ruined by that horrible excuse of a ‘motorsport’
Yeah, just look what they did to Hockenheim to keep it on the calendar. I loved the races there until they crippled the track.
Back in the day when F1 actually was an elite sport and not a boring hobby for silly kids
Murray always talked too damn much
Lies!
@@ComputerWhiz_ I agree with him, he was chatty and exaggerated, but he deserves all respect
Like a fkn nagging Budgie, famous for holding a fkn piece of wire and getting it wrong, loved it when James Hunt use to batter him about on the commentary.