Incredibly Small and Light FPV 2S Cinewhoop... Is it Good? BetaFpv Pavo Pico Review!
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- The BetaFpv Pavo Pico is incredibly small and light at 45mm and 2S, yet it carries a O3 no problem!
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00:00 Introduction
01:08 Unboxing
02:33 Specs
05:09 First Flight
10:15 Second Flight trying to fix jello
12:56 Third Flight trying to fix jello
14:28 Final Opinion - Jak na to + styl
Great review! You're the only person who actually sent it! I really want to get this one, but don't want to spend time fixing the jello. Remember the Holybro Kopis Freestyle? I called it the jello monster! But I fixed it by replacing the wobbly TPU antenna mount with a stiffer resin printed rubber/abs mix holder, switched to HQ props, tuned it, and *hard mounted* the O3 camera.
I think softer/flexible rubber makes jello worse. It turns benign high frequency oscillation into lower frequency oscillation that causes jello.
Good luck fixing the jello problem!
Always sending them to know what they can do!
Jello depends by a lot of factors, you have to move the camera out of the jello frequency, either by stiffening the way it's mounted or making it looser with some dampening, but of course also the point of applications matters as the camera can start vibrating in different directions
I have precisely this drone and I assembled it with one difference: I mounted the O3 cam using its BOTTOM screw holes. Looks like this configuration allows to suffer from a little bit less of jello - nonetheless a tad of jello is present anyway.
This little marvel from BetaFPV definitely deserves some effective solution for the jello: if you find it at any time, please share - you'll make an awful lot of people happy.
Saluti da Trieste!
I will definitely try putting the camera on the higher position, hope it works!
For sure I want to make it jello proof, will make an update video once I make it!
I will definitely try putting the camera on the higher position, hope it works!
For sure I want to make it jello proof, will make an update video once I make it!
This worked for me! Also making sure the O3 cable isn’t touching the camera/frame to not introduce more vibrations
Hi Rimzler, I also own the Pavo Pico and have found pulling the 03 Camera cable completely up through the frame where its not curled up bending or touching anything it removes the jello.
I've crashed mine hard into a concrete pillar and in a pond and it still works amazing.
Hi, can you upload a photo of the way you mount the o3 cable? thanks
I've got the short cable and left the back of the O3 camera off, work great and its like 3.5gr lighter too
@@andytroy : interesting - what's your cable's length?
@@MrDispensationalism Kind of hard to do via youtube as they are stiflers on links but if you just route the cable as per normal and instead of bundling it inside the frame nice and neat pull the cable up so it kind of looks like a shoe lace bunny ear sticking out of the top. It looks bad but it prevents the jello.
Ajahha gotta try, cool thing the shorter cable!
Looking forward to the jello fox video, putting together mine tomorrow. Got for a very specific project coming up. Thanks!
I put FC softmounts inside the camera mount holes, just drill them a little bit and pass the screw inside, really makes a difference
@@Rimzler awesome, I have extra from my cinelog25 that may fit if I drill it out. It’s currently INOP. Picked the Pavo up for some interior shots I need for a project. With the 25 being down I needed something lightweight. Hoping the O3 camera does not disappoint. I have a cinelog35 with hero 11 but it’s just too big for the job.
Mine works really nice! No Jello at all! I love it!
Ahhahahahahahah you are lucky! Wish mine had no jello😂
thanks @Rimzler - it's always great to see your videos to see the flight footage and get your opinion. this one doesn't seem to pass the quality test. How do you compare this to the Geprc Cinelog20 O3 or do you have other recommendations for a 2" O3?
So far the Geprc and the CineON 20 are the best 2 inch I've tried, they are powerful and don't have jello, but I also like the idea of a smaller silent and lighter drone! Hope to manage to get rid of the jello ahahah
That's an unexpected video tho. I'm in love with an idea of pavo Pico sized o3 drone. But all the videos I saw was pretty wobbly and with the strong jello. I see that in your videos too. Also GyroFlow make things a bit blurry but stable. So Pico not yet ready. They need more soft mounts or something to keep vibrations down. But at the end of the day it's a totally win for a drone community. Pico proved it's possible, so looking forward to hear about more sub100g drones. Thanks for this video! Keep it up!
PS teach me how to do a pizza on a beach, master!
99 grams is way too heavy. Please see my comment here...
They needed more time to develop this drone, hope to find a solution tho!
Will review the super light mobula 8 soon, hope that one doesn't have jello!
Hahahahahha the pizza on the beach was amazing!
Thanks for the review! Would you recommend this or the Axisflying CineON C20 V2?
Good question
If this was good I would recommend it more, but the C20 is just much more reliable!
Yet a super light and silent drone is amazing for sensitive situations
I bought the C20 and it was too loud for flying indoors. Bought the C25 frame and Xing2 1404 motors and it‘s so much better now. Still below 250g and flies amazingly well!
Great review. What do you think between this one and the geprc cinelog20?
Making a comparison, the cinelog 20 is better in every way but the Pico is still compelling as it's super stealthy, really one of the most silent out there, also very light, when flying in an urban area it makes a difference
HAHAHAHAHAHA Solution to this curse. LOOOOOOOL. As always, comprehensive and good review bro.
Ahahah every time lol! Thank you!
Install bluejay with 48khz, and enabled the dynamic notch filters, (for some weird reason, or not? they wasnt on out of the box! so i turned it on), and i lowered from dshot600 to dshot300 because of the F4 processor. Video with my pavo pico on my channel, i have no jello with rocksteady on or off and i used the lower screewholes, my camera sits way higher it gives more stability!
Have had mine since release, and it’s amazing. if you tighten the screws on the dampers a bit too much it causes jello, you need to release them a little and the jello is gone
My first flight was tightened half way, the second the screws were loose just holding the mount, even then had jello
@@Rimzler I recently bouth this little one. Use rubber dampers to tight the camera mount to absorb vibrations.
Perfect review mate! you have covered really everything without being too long!
Shame about the Jello ... sadly almost every other Beta tester could not 100% get rid of it..
A tad too expensive for 100£ considering cheap parts and light weight...also you have to fiddle with it. I hope BetaFPV can make available frame only and develop a similar improved design (Maybe true 2' or even 2.5')....
For me it's crazy that they spent a couple months beta testing and it has jello ahahaha like there are so many ways to get rid of it in a clean way
They sell the frame seperately. I think is like 20$ though though, and if its 100$ for a elrs version i dont see the point. i have tbs and it might make more sense for that. bc its $40 more expensive over the ELRS model. Im guessing their using an actual XF Nano RX which is crazt TBS cant make a serial based rx version to put on the board like ELRS is becoming the standard over the usual frysky d8 or pnp or maybe some other ones..
love the look of this little beasty, i wonder if the heat is changing the resonance characteristics of the plastic, maybe the lower screw holes on the cam would help? anyway great job beta fpv, i hope this little cinewhoop works out
It looks amazing! Wished the soft mount was a bit better tho, I am trying a lot of different things, hope to find a solution!
Hey there, phenomenal video, truly!
Just a quick observation, you mentioned a lot of 'jello' on the O3. I was wondering if you've considered tweaking your PID parameters? I believe that adjusting those could help eliminate the 'jello' effect you're experiencing, rather than loosening the O3 mount on the frame. Have you given that a shot?
Trust me I tried everything, spent a couple of days pidding but nothing, and I believe it should come pidded from factory! Eventually everything I tried mitigated the jello, 60% of the improvement was due to passing the camera screws inside a rubber grommet, by making the mount holes bigger, still has jello but a bit less
Just seen flywoo has a cheap kit to strip the DJI O3 air unit. Stock is 36.8g (excluding the antenna) and with the lightest version it is about half that at 18.3g. If the camera mount had more of a method to absord vibrations like a silicone insert, I imagine it would help the shake a good amount. Also, do they give torque rating to use for the screws? Maybe they are overrightened?
Hey thankyou so much for the honest review. Are you going to compare the Pavo Pico to the new version of the mobula8 O3 version which Nick Burns has reviewed today? Escetially for flying over people?
Thank you! I have the Mobula8 coming very soon, love the idea of this micro Cinewhoop and want to find one without jello
@@Rimzler I am looking forward to your review. Thank you for your work.
Ciao,
Love your reviews.
I have it and only flown indoors.
I would definitely be interested and look forward in seeing your solution to the jello and a better tune!
Molto grazie,
Saverio di Canada
LESS WEIGHT! 03 is simply too damn heavy! Please see my comment here...
Working on it!
@@Rimzler Have you had a chance to complete a Tune that you can share?
Thank you very much for your review. I plan to buy this drone as well. I still have doubts on how to buy the camera.Can you help please? Send a link...
Would this be a good drone to fly and get some decent shots on a small drone, but to also learn Acro on like learning on a tiny whoop basically? i have an o3 air unit already. Its out of stock already unfortunately and the TBS version is $40 more, smh, but its a cool drone to have with the video quality and the abiility to make it even easier and use the DJI RC2 Remote Controller instead of an aftermarket RX style like SPI ELRS or TBS (rx?), that its offered in right now..
First one hahah I got pavo pico and its very good drone , very strong, survived a Lot of hard crashes
Do you have jello on it? I am having an hard time sorting it out...
@@Rimzler i had but for now No, zero jello. I screw good the bumpers and a camera, dont useing any filters and I mount camera on lower screw mount
you need to do a PID tune of that quad to get rid of the jello. Also can we see the full 60fps from the 03? It looks choppy when converted down to 24fps in this video.
I am trying stuff out, will make an update as soon as it's perfect! Yeah but still it shows a lot, I noticed when uploading at 50fps it has issues with the bitrate
just use a ND filter to remove the jello. even an nd4 will help. just try it.
Yes of course it does help, but a good drone should be jello free without ND, I want to be able to trust it
I get mine in the air today !!!
Did you get jello?
@@Rimzler there was some but I loosened some screws made sure the props are snug sometimes they ship with them almost falling out. I love her but way too fragile more like a novelty pro flyer build in my opinion I went back to my cinelog 35 v2 for as I need more practice and don’t wish to destroy my 03
How does the noise compare to other cinewhoops? I have been eyeing this and Cinelog20 for some indoor flight
For indoor this would be amazing if it didn't risk having jello, much less noise and weight, the 4s ones fly better overall and can carry a naked GoPro if you need
@@Rimzler Thanks for the info, really appreciate it! How would you compare both to Cineon C20 V2 for such a use case? I currently only have an Avata, which I find too loud and bulky to be enjoyable indoors, although it has been a great entry point into FPV.
the jello was a build problem, the screws on the dampers are probably too tight and it’s currently better than all of my 2.5 cinewhoops for indoor areas.
I can orbit chandeliers closer than anything and go up and downstairs with a lot of ease
@@westwingaero Interesting, thanks. What kind of batteries are you using indoors and what flight times are you getting?
@@ThumpahFPV using the recommended 4s 450 and getting 3.5mins, it’s incredibly stable in flight and the default tune is very good
I also had jello- SUCKS! But now I unscrewed the camera and glued it inbetween 2 Slilicone Gel Blocks with some CA (bent the arms a little to squeeze it inbetween before applying glue)
I was thinking something like that, with bigger silicone soft mounts
tape down those motor cables! mine just got tore up by the props after a crash :( Also a bit of my jello was solved after i changed frames, the first one i put on lost its grip on the air unit after tuning(O3 gets really hot) or a crash somehow bent it out of shape... I was able to move the air unit easily side to side while it was secured to the drone.
Quite a few different batteries fit in that battery holder
They are all pretty standard I believe
Pavo 20 review soon?😮
Next days!
So close to being a great setup for a micro Cinewhoop, but as it's intended to be a Cinewhoop -- the jello is unacceptable -- Maybe swap to a 1S Walksnail VTX, maybe a lighter setup might be better but sometimes going lighter the jello might get worse, anyway pull it apart make it into something else and create a story for us to watch, loved you video so far :)
Hi, the Mobula8 03 is better Bro 🙏
Coming in very soon, can't wait!
It is reasonable to use a ND filter to reduce jello while the sun is too shine.
True, but for gyro stabilization is always convenient to have high shutter, even tho with a mild ND nothing changes
Thing is all the other BNF o3 drones I have don't have this jello issue without nd
How to fix the jello issue
I got rid of most Jello by making camera screw hole bigger and putting a FC grommets between the screw and the camera
How is a Pavo Pico cheaper than a DJI 03?
Cause you have to add o3 yourself, doesn't come with it!
Ciao, una domanda, che visore utilizzi? sarei curioso anche del telecomando. Puoi magari fare una lista di telecomandi e visori che si possono usare con il PAVO PICO? Grazieee
Devo assolutamente fare un video a riguardo
Uso goggles 2, DJI remote 2 e con caddx vista/o3 non hai bisogno del ricevitore, tutto integrato
@@Rimzlergrazie per la risposta! Però se non volessi spendere 600/700 euro per il visore quale consiglieresti che vada bene anche per questo drone?
Ci dovrebbero essere i goggles V2 compatibili con o3, magari usati si trovano anche sui 350, comunque i prodotti DJI mantengono il valore molto molto bene, in caso volessi rivenderli
@@Rimzler mh si capisco, ma giusto per capire perchè sono proprio all'inizio e non volevo prendere subito qualcosa di top, ci sono magari visori sui 150/200 euro che possono andare bene e sono relativamente buoni?
Sconsiglio di spendere poco per diversi motivi
1) Probabilmente è analogico a quel prezzo, e ci si vede nettamente peggio rispetto a digitale tipo DJI, oltre ad avere meno penetrazione, mettendo più a rischio di schianto/perdita il drone
2) I prodotti low cost in genere non si rivendono facilmente e perdono molto più valore (un pro se si vuole prenderli usati)
3) Specialmente per lavorare il digitale permettendo di vedere meglio consente di effettuare manovre migliori e avere più controllo e certezza nei movimenti
3) Il sistema O3 permette anche di registrare con la stessa qualità di Avata (95% della qualità GoPro di giorno)
Il punto di forza dell'analogico oltre ai prezzi in genere ridotti (attrezzatura analogica buona costa quasi come digitale), è il sistema aperto, la vasta scelta di prodotti compatibili, il peso sul drone ridotto e una latenza e fluidità in genere migliore
Sono stato un fermo sostenitore dell'analogico per molto tempo, appena ho provato digitale non sono tornato più indietro, vale davvero investire un po' di più per un'esperienza molto più sicura e coinvolgente
ciao , un piccolo consiglio per evitare il jello , visto su altre review è provare a mettere qualcosa di gommoso e piccolo sul O3 mount in modo da attutire quasi completamente le vibrazioni
Ho provato a mettere dei gommini intorno alle viti della cam ma non aiutano troppissimo, devo trovare un sistema per cambiare le softmounts e farle più morbide
@@Rimzler posso chiederti invece se sai se si paga la dogana comprando da betafpv?
@@DanilMinardi : te lo posso dire io: finora tutto ciò che ho comprato da loro è arrivato senza dogana - anche se ci ha messo sempre un mesetto.
@@robertogiannotta4477 gentilissimoo
Modify it and use rubber dampeners for the camera.
I'm trying gradually more invasive approaches so it can be fixed for most people, but that would work for sure!
Ma quando fai una festa con bbq per noi inscritti???😂❤
Ahahhahahahahahahahah sarebbe fighissimo😍😍😍
3 mins flight time same as Cinelog20 ?? ⚠⚠
Depends on the battery you use, but more or less they fly for the same time
Maybe Gyroflow will get rid of the shaking/jello.
no, gyroflow has no jello compensation, just cmos compensation which will "unskew" the image on fast yawspins.
this is most likely a tuning issue, it was pretty much on all betafpv drones, i had to retune them completely.
@@Sty1a The website says some things about the jello. One or more screws are possibly too tight.
@@Sty1a You should say the facts: "This IS A WEIGHT ISSUE!" 99 grams is simply too heavy. Please see my comment here...
@@KOrnhOliO1 that's your opinion, everyone is entitled to their own...
This video is stabilized with gyroflow, yet it has ton of jello still😓
The tune on it is not really good, that causes a lot of jello. I've been testing some different PID and filter settings and that helped so much, I can't see any jello anymore.
Yes have to filter better for sure, it can fly smoother, will work on it!
Going 60 miles an hour "I thought this was an indoor drone"
Betaflight always does that to me man. lol I wish I could trust it more like kiss
Depends on the flight controller and gyro, with newer f7 stuff I never see this stuff happening
Despite the persistent jello problem, you still say it so gently, trying to be nice to Betafpv. No one will blame you for being more critical of Betafpv.
I've been super critical of them in the past, and now they seem to be trying to make things better and even had people beta test it
I've seen some people had no jello so I left a bit of benefit of the doubt and went a little gentler, yet since the first flight I've complained a lot about it in the video ahahah
Also I believe it can be fixed relatively easy and I really do like this drone and want to carry with me, if I manage to sort this issue out then it's amazing
There is no persistent jello problem. He mounted the camera incorrectly (it’s supposed to be on the bottom hole not the top) . Also how you coil the o3 cable really matters for jello
mmm. maybe when the throttle is slack, not pushing on, this is exposing one weak motor slowing down faster than the others?
Motors look fine, there is some kind of frequency issue tho, making the drone lighter or heavier should fix too
I have an identical BetaFPV Pavo Pico (plus Crossfire RX actually) and this is the best I got as far as jello is concerned (a bit of it is always present, although not much):
Stabilized with Gyroflow: czcams.com/video/zV2cbOM3WDM/video.html
Actual O3 Air Unit footage (not stabilized): czcams.com/video/_P4rnEVbHfM/video.html
P.S. This quad easily suffers from propwash.
what did you do to achieve this ? I get horrible prop wash if i'm not moving at a good pace forwards. Tried a bunch of tuning to help with slow flying but curious how you did it.
@@bamcameback : this cinewhoop suffers from a lot of propwash (I tampered a lot with BF parameters and I didn't manage to get rid of it) and some jello, but if avoiding propwash is usually an easy task (by avoiding certain maneuvers, especially at low speeds), eliminating jello is a more complex issue. The steps I took for that: 1) I mounted the O3 cam using its bottom holes and putting two pairs of rubber o-rings on the two screws - one at every side of the frame - to better decouple the cam from the frame; 2) I completely loosened the four screws on the bottom of the frame until their heads detached of about half a millimeter from the soft mounts AND THEN I tightened them a bit until the screw's heads barely touched the soft mounts; 3) I assured that the cam's coaxial cable doesn't touch the cam (I used two cable ties to properly secure the cable to the frame).
Lower volts higher amps,
2 cell will have more heat.
The O3 Air Unit on my 6S 5" is unbearably hot too anyway.
It's crazy hot even when flying, on my 6s stuff it seems a little cooler, even if the O3 is always super hot lol
Yah, 03 is one of the hottest of them all...
But it's still true about the amps in all aspects of electricity.
Higher voltage, has lower amps.
I haven't messed with 2 cell and the 03 yet so ...
I guess we can say she gets hot no matter what cell count...
Change your props to 4 or 5 blades to get rid of the jello. Thank me later 😅
Thanks for the tip. Where do you find 45mm 4 and 5 blade props?
I’ve tried to Google them and came up with nothing!
@@samavella8831 damn. It's a custom size! Try 40mm ones. But it might not be as efficient. I'm using 4 bladed Kingkong props and my video is rock solid. Gemfan gave me jello on my geprc Thinking P16. I'm flying walksnail on it.
I have a big prop collection and all are either big or small lol, wish to try more tho
@@gregtay67 Would you be so kind as to point us in the right direction as to which KinKing props you are using?
Thanks.
@@gregtay67 Will the KINKONG 48mm 4-Blade props work or will they be too big?
o3 is super hot. its a flawed system. I have one in my mark5 o3 and if you don't take off in 60 seconds or less it will overheat. you can disable rocksteady, disable 4k 120 etc like the lower the res and the lower the 'cpu' has to think the cooler it gets... so if you only care about the visuals in your goggles you can ignore recording in super high quality... but if you want to use it as a cinewoop, then i found its difficult in hot climates.. where i live its 91 F and its super humid so the o3 is very easy to overheat.
Yeah but it's doing a lot of heat intensive stuff, video processing and 1.2 w of wideo transmitting, wish they make a newer version with more modern and thermal efficient chips!
I always use 2.7k 50 4:3 and it overheats a ton using the full sensor!
WAY too much jello! thanks for the video though.
Working on fixing it, the drone would be so cool without it!
What Iearn ... dont fly in strong wind with this hahah
Minimum size i would fly a o3 would be 2" with 3S batt.
¿Spaña? Nice video. New sub.
The walksnail is 92g with the new HD vtx mount version zero jello
The DJI 03 air unit is too damn heavy to go into a whoop! Remember, "It's all about weight with whoops!" So, you're best off building your own 85mm whoop with a Naked Vista. That's the only way DJI works in a whoop! 99 grams in a whoop with the 03 and a Pavo Pico is too damn heavy. Sure, it can be done, but is it good...no.
I used a BetaFPV 85mm whoop. I cut out one of the thick struts for the battery cage. Don't worry, it's still super strong! If you are careful and ease it in slowly - a naked Vista will fit tight as factory made right into that battery tray. Well, I hate battery trays because they restrict you to that one battery that fits that tray. Sure, their maybe be two batteries, but the trays suck. Then I mounted BetaFPV's AIO 12amp FC/ESC on top like you typically would. I then found Mr. Shutterbugs super lightweight camera mount. 3D printed it. I mounted the Nebula Nano in that mount. It fits perfectly! I then 3D printed a TPU soft mount for under the battery tray. It not only cushions your landings and the naked Vista (which is really well protested in that robust battery tray and fits snug!), but it also has side slots for a battery strap! Ahh Haa, now we have versatile battery usage! Worked great.
Putting the Naked Vista in the battery tray not only protects it, but it gets the weight lower (center of gravity) and keeps it from being top heavy - Like every other design with the Naked Vista, or 03, above the AIO FC. It also makes it a Low Rider because only the tiny nano camera stick up above the props!
I used 1103, 11,000KV motors. So it runs on 2s AND 3s lipos! 2s keeps the weight the lowest. I used the lightest dipole antenna I could find. Emax 4 blade, 2" props.
Total weight = 60.1 grams with an XT30 !
About 40 grams less than the Pavo Pico! ... F O U R T Y G R A M S ! ! ! 😎🤘
You are right is on the heavy side, but it's the lightest good quality video capable system, and can be made naked too so ends up at 80g (still a lot but not super bad)
If it didn't have jello it would be a godsend for sensitive shots!
@@Rimzler Maybe you are the guy to solve the jello issue with a video that shows just how to fix it! 🤔👍