We TARGETED Japanese OFFICERS For ONE REASON
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This is being taught in our Academy's, & ROTC colleges, correct?
Force of Command. Chain of Command. Some bonds do not break.
Whoever Fought in the Pacific. ...different breed.
How so?
@@ImrightYourewrong-gs4pz you had to be Part Beast to Island hop
@@darkshinethakid4463 You had to be part beast to survive in the freaking winter inn belgium, in germany. I'm still not sure what your point is
“With the old breed” a book written by Eugene sledge a marine in pacific theater give a read gives a lot of insight
All of you need to look into the Korean War
My grandfather faught in both the European and Pacific theaters. After he passed we read his journals. He wrote that fighting the Japanese was much easier than fighting the Germans because the Japanese didn't look like his sons. War is hell.
What else did he say/anything interesting?
this should make people reflect about how desensitized modern war can become
@@yuzzo92Not really a modern issue is it? Been around since war
@@sirllamaiii9708 indeed. I'm not foolish enough to say war is always bad and should never happen, because unfortunately mistakes happen and sometimes not everything can be solved with words. But we should always be very careful with it and never look away from the cost on our own communities even in victory.
Easier to dehumanize when they aren't white
We were taught the same thing about the Soviet army in the late 70's. Autocratic societies don't trust their own soldiers.
It's basically the same way in the Russian military today
What about the individual skill and initiative the Germans displayed in both world wars? You could say they were autocratic too. I think it’s more of a societal and by extension largely a racial difference. The Chinese military will probably be the same way as the Japanese were
@@tillercaesar-kq4ou it is really just racism to tell the truth
@@tillercaesar-kq4ou it depended on how and when you are looking at the Germans. They encouraged individual commanders to adapt to changing conditions early in the war, but then Hitler decided to start with his "fight to the last bullet" orders where he forbade individual discretion and initiative. They were kind of hard to judge because it was sometimes okay to make decisions, and sometimes you had to follow strict orders or there would be hell to pay. I know in the American services you just kept going down the line until the last two guys had one of them in charge and the other one following, theoretically at least.
Today Ukraine is proving it's still true.
To explain this to the people who haven’t served in the US Military, before any planned operation, everyone is briefed on the details, from the greenest Private to the highest ranking officer. This is so that if your platoon leader bought the farm, your platoon sergeant could lead. And if he died, the squad leaders. And it continues down to the individual soldiers, so that no matter who died the survivors could continue the objective.
Basicly the US system of conducting things goes back to the Prussian reforms of classical command, In the Wehrmacht NCO´s and even privates were allowed to air their oppinion on how to conduct their limited scope of the action, making small adjustments and plans to achieve a greater whole. In short Mission tactics, breaking down a grander batlleplan to pint-size pieces easy enough to grasp and remember. The japanese system of command was from the Top down, Grand battleplans, Offices and NCO´s held absolute power and authority and they would often enforce their orders in rigid and violent discipline, the men had no say in the plans most often, which made the japanese rigid and inefficient fighters, especially when the officer fell on battle. Combined with the Spirit of the warrior Ethos which was hammered into them, it was no surprise that whole units were wiped out to last man, as japanese were taught that superior will wins battle regardles of the details.
One of those things where the US not being a class-based society helps them out. They trust that the privates are capable enough to understand the plan, they don't look down on them.
Where do I find them so many farms to buy!?
@@throwawayburnerusername The Pacific.
Yep
Even the lowest rank can be leaders
You can still see the grit and determination on his face after all those years. God bless the greatest generation EVER
@@chromaticturtle8657why stop there? If ONE man raped women and children, we have to assume ALL MEN did or will do so.
Your logic is horrific, and your argument absolutely disgusting. Do better.
@@chromaticturtle8657 source or you are a damned liar. I've never read anything by veterans criticizing the conduct of the war saying what you accused them of.
@@q-man762? Who are you commenting to I don't see it?
@@lil_jackgamez8992 his post must have been removed, his handle is in my reply.
@@lil_jackgamez8992 The person they were replying to probably got reported and their comment removed.
Being a former Marine, we were taught that if an officer, staff NCO and higher ranking enlisted were killed or out of commission, the lower ranking were to take charge. This is a perfect reason why.
This was observed on Guadalcanal. The commander of one of their most elite units was killed right at the start of the battle. Leaderless---the attack became disorganized as a result. The entire unit was wiped out.
My Father was there.
He is right, in most countries, take out the leadership and the units fall apart.
In the US military, taking out the leaders then releases the troops, who will then remove you. The leaders in most countries push the troops, in the US the leaders restrain the troops.
Ichiki?
I also feel that, especially in the Pacific, that the Americans had something to fight for, some of them were there for Pearl Harbor, the Japanese didn't really have that, they still were patriotic, but they were fighting for their leader, but the Americans were fighting for their brothers that went down without a fight
This guy looks like he laid a path of bodies wherever he went.
Bet he did and he came back.
Almost anyone who had to fight in the Pacific and lived did. They were consistently outnumbered, and fighting was almost constant
@@kibbs325 That’s what I understand. The book Flags of our fathers was a good insight into the war in the Pacific.
@@kibbs325No they weren't, they consistently had more numbers
@@kibbs325 they walked through living hell
This guy's that fought in these iconic battles are just of a different character.. they're different human beings than than are alive right now... it's unbelievable
You can see it. This guy was a marine.
The greatest generation, I'll certainly give them that, but will you give me a break please, if you look around you'll still find some top draw individuals who served with distinction in the military and out of it.
Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71)
Iconic huh ?
That's why they became different
Well, their generation had to fight a world war. Thank lord, this generation doesn't have to.
There was an interview with Vietnamese commander or something at one time nothing how different US forces are in that regard. They basically said that when other nations lose their commander, they do as this gentleman said and become disorganized and chaotic and begin retreating and surrendering. The US forces do the opposite, they start pushing forward, charging harder toward the objective and enemy, hellbent on winning now.
All western armies was and is like that it's superior
The officers hold them back. They see the bigger picture and see a focus objective. No officer, any and everything is the objective now
Sounds like some western propaganda
@@isu.f.osevenathing4932The French lost in vietnam
This is pure propaganda bullshit. US uses to look down other countries. This is not true at all. Vietnamese fought for defending their homes, for surviving, they were MUCH more organized and courageuos.
Respect to the Private who led the company. The Private just got in the military since he was a Private and ran a company all ready at that rank since the higher up officers died.
There was an Ensign who commanded a battleship at Pearl Harbor USS Nevada and Ensign Tausing IIRC
chatGPT responses really fell off huh
There were many stories in all the theaters of various enlisted soldiers taking command and then getting field commissions. A battalion or brigade commander might find a platoon or company being commanded by an enlisted soldier (usually a sergeant) because all the officers had been killed, and go "Congratulations, Lieutenant."
@@WockhartEnthusiast sometimes i wonder if those sorts of comments are chatgpt or people who read too many chatgpt comments. Either way you're right LOL, it's a sad state of affairs
Makes sense given culture differences.
not only culture, but also the training of the forces, evry soldier are trinned to follow orders, but not all are given the freedom to make desitions, some train ships, some train wolves
yes japanese look down on those ranked below its like that in alot of asia and you can see it in their corporate structure
Glad you made it back alive. Thank you for your service. God bless! Semper Fi, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71)
Thank you for your service, and Welcome Home! USN 95-99. And yes, I welcome every brother and sister that served in Vietnam home. It's something an MCPO I served with habituated me to do.
Welcome home.
Thank you for your service Sir
Thank you for your service sir ❤
My Grandfather was a Marine sergeant in the battle of Okanowa and he said the same thing about the Japanese. He himgself became in charge of a unit after all those above him were killed or wounded.
Thank you for your service
Americas Greatest Generation
Thank you and your rare breed brothers for your service and sacrifices! You are and were awesome!
Sir, Joseph Rodgers, thank you for your service. God bless you sir.
Makes me proud to have served because of guys just like this. Our NCO core continues to serve us today just as he describes. BIG RESPECT TO THIS GENERATION.
Thank you for your service, sir. God bless
Thank you, JOSEPH RODGERS, for your Service and Dedication to our Country.
Thank you for your service SIR
💘🌟 Thank you for your service!!🌟💘
Whole different breed of courageous, intelligent men that lived back then. Responsible leaders in heroism.
In the u.s each unit is trained to lead a squad, so in the unfortunate event a leader goes down their is no panic, just concise action
Thank you sir for your service. My dad was a marine in the pacific theater.
God bless this man for his service!
My great grandfather was a demolitions expert in Iwo Jima during ww2. He was a nice man from what I heard but the second you brought up the Japanese the hate would just pour through him. He didn’t respect them nor care for them for what they did to his fellow soldiers and honestly I can’t blame him it would just be weird to see if Japanese and American Veterans could get along now a days but there aren’t many left
There are many cases were they forgetd great friendships after the war. The Japanese the moment the war was done, they even protected the Americans when arrived to Japan to prevent their own population to attack the Americans.
I don't blame him. And I had relatives who fought with the Imperial forces in the Pacific. The fighting was brutal and horrific in the Pacific. The Imperial Japanese were also fed tons of war time propaganda as to how the Americans (the white devils as they were called) would immediately execute any surrendering prisoners so the Japanese always expected to be killed (and thus pulled dirty tricks like hurling grenades after 'surrendering' all because they were brainwashed into thinking that's how Americans did things. Also by the late island hopping campaigns, the average Japanese soldier KNEW that the Americans were coming to their home islands. Again, the war time propaganda falsely portrayed the Americans as 'barbarians who would murder the children and rape the women'. This is laughable considering the US Military was the LEAST likely to do such a thing (remember what the Soviets did to the civilians of Germany? Yikes). But since they were convinced of this lie, they fought to their dying breaths. The upper echelons of the Imperial military didn't care one lick about their own men. Again, this is yet another characteristic that sets the Americans apart. Americans always cared for and about their own soldiers (as a matter of policy). Sure there were times that things really sucked for the average GI but for the most part, the Military had their backs. Upon meeting Americans for real, many of the Japanese were shocked at how civilized we were.
James Clavell was a Japanese prisoner of war during World War II. He became a great novelist and made Asian culture, Western-Asian contact and the Asian way of war the matter of his novels. The novel _Shogun_ is regarded as his defining work.
For those for whom literature is too much, consider the film _Gran Torino_ which Clint Eastwood directed and starred in. The film is about a Polish-American Korean war veteran who had through the trauma of his combat experiences learned the Asian way of war. Let's just say, back in his home town of Highland Michigan and late in life, he defeats the local Asian-American gangs at their own game.
there weren't too many left right after the war either thanks to their stupidity
I've read of quite a few friendships between IJN and USN officers. The IJA, on the other hand...
I am proud of our Pacific vets , the best of the best!
the best of us. do well sir.
Recently rewatched the thin red line as an adult, that is a horror film.
The focus on mental health alone was eye opening, but also the absolutely terrifying situation they were in, long grass going up steep hills with bunkers with wide fields of fire...
Every time one soldier would drop below the grass, he was isolated from his squad who were mere feet from them, simply because the grass was so thick, but as soon as their heads came up they'd take rounds.
The long grass scene is terrifying
My dad mentioned that "take charge" spirit in Korea. Yes, it got down to the most experienced private in some cases. I never thought to ask if that was instilled in their training or just American independent spirit.
Both!!
American military units are structured to allow for a flexible chain of command depending on the situation
US units are always learning their job which covers up to E6 and also command structure and their responsibilities. I was in the Army in the early 80s, there was a huge mandatory day long training for all officers and NCOs. As the highest ranking ( time in grade ) E-4 I was Battalion commander for the day. My only orders were no time off to be given unless an emergency and end of day battalion formation at 1700 . It was pretty much a normal day.
Back when I was in the Corps, it was ingrained in us to learn the jobs of those around you, so you could help or fill in for them short term. Also, in absence of orders (breakdown of command) attack.
Most Western militaries or western trained Militaries either have or are encouraged to have flexible chains of command, and are strongly encouraged to be default aggressive. I believe it started with America's, as we're generally somewhat independent, so we don't need constant command. Most other militaries come from cultures where people are always told what to do, thus the if they're not, they don't know what to do. The Fat Electrician has a video about this called officers
Thank you sir for your service.
Thank you sir!
Much respect sir
You look at these old guys and you think to yourself " just an old man" but these cats were badass to the max. In their time they were fantastic, and I'm aware enough to be thankful for all they did, and all they suffered. We salute you gentlemen and are always grateful.
Semper Fi 🇺🇸
That old Marine still has more grit then most men alive. As much younger Marine he gives me something to aspire to
A true hero, thank you sir for your service and sacrifice
May God bless your soul
THANK YOU SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God bless all vets
Give em hell Marine
War crime activated
@@Jb22372 It was kill or be kill back then
@@dingus6317 still is, thats the whole point of a war. war crimes are still a thing though
That Private became a true man within minutes. ❤❤😢😢
Thanks for your persistent actions.
Thank you for your service ❤🤟🥰💪💯👍🙂🙏🫡🤘🇺🇲
The eyes of a man whos seen combat will always be captivating to me
he just looks like a normal guy u psycho
Sure appreciate our military personnel. Thank you
Germans were ruthless, Japanese were brutal. Pacific veterans need way more recognition
Sir, thank you for your service to our country. I adore all our veterans from WW II. Your frankness and honesty is greatly treasured by myself. You gentlemen were of a diffrent breed. The Greatest Generation ❤ 🇱🇷. God Blessings to you, sir.
Thank you Sir. And all my fellow veterans for their service and sacrifice 🇺🇸
This is a true statement. I've read a number of books on the Imperial Japanese Army and they had an extreme top down leadership. Those junior were not to lead but to follower. But when the leader dies or becomes wounded it becomes difficult for the unit to function.
Old style fighting, almost like a remnant of line battles to have this one guy leading to whole unit
America has been doing that since the revolutionary war against britain. The brits thought it an uncivilized way to fight a war. Americans say were here to win and save as many of our own men as possible by creating disorganization and chaos among the enemies. Thank you for your service and defeating the evils that were consuming so many innocent people. Every one who served in world war II was and is a hero in my mind. It takes every single individual to keep an army going. May god bless you and keep you. You will always be in the thoughts of many grateful nations.
Thank you sir. 👑
✝️💜💜💜🌷
Adapt and overcome, Semper Fi.
Europe discovered decentralized command was the way to go hundreds of years prior.
And china discovered it 10,000 years before them whats your point? That europe is better or something?
@@CynicalChicken661 10,000 years ago?
@@CynicalChicken661
Well… something happened or was forgotten, because China would be a mess if leaders were gone today.
@@CynicalChicken661 The earth is only 6000 yrs old. Read a bible please.
@@CynicalChicken661 They didn't, though.
You are a real Hero! God bless you.
I love you! Sir.
This is opposite of too many chiefs and not enough Indians number
In the U.S. military, all soldiers must be chiefs when the time comes. It's the main difference their military and every other military. I believe other militaries do not want their soldiers thinking for themselves, which makes their commanders extremely important.
Thank You for your service, courage and bravery to fight and defend our freedoms!!! AMEN!!!
Adapt, improvise, and overcome. Oorah Marine, as the father of a Marine,
thank you for your sacrifice.
thank you for your service
Thank you for your service, and sacrifices Sir. God Bless you.
Thanks
This is my favorite thing about the US military, the purest spirit of perseverance.
I honour your service as I honour God s Will. Thanks for your service and faithfulness to God and 🙏 prayers for your family. Daughter of Generals, Love Chrissy Comey, Exupery
Fun fact: During the Imjin war, Japanese leaders were confused why the Korean soldiers kept fighting despite the generals being dead or even when the chain of command was dismantled.
Thank you for your service, Sir.
Same thing with pretty much any tribal society. The army learned that when fighting the Native Americans.
you're saying tribal societies fall apart when the commander gets taken out?
I can believe it then , and maybe in corporate now to some degree, but when I taught in Japan, the students would sometimes lead their own teams in practice, etc., without a coach/teacher. It could be because the senior grade students would lead the junior (sempai/kohai).. Still when I helped coach a soccer team back home, if there wasn't a supervisor, the team would completely fall apart in practice, most would go home, etc.
My daddy was in the 4th Marine Division
Unfortunately they done make men like this man anymore. And if they do it’s few and far between. His generation of people are truly the greatest generation. They could live through survive and be happy with little to nothing today’s generation have a hard time living without their cell phone think about that. This generation also would give up everything for freedom, and they would never sacrifice a little comfort for freedom. I would like to shake this man’s hand and tell him how truly amazing he really is thank you sir.
Times have changed we have evolved the new generation has the unfuck a lot of problems their generations and past ones have caused. There is no best generation
@bercantalty the newer generations have basically destroyed our country and it's almost a 3rd world country now. We've not evolved into anything....we've regressed.
@@bercantaltyno we have not. These later generations have not evolved, if anything we've regressed. Our country has been turned into basically a 3rd world country.
@@darrengilbert7438 first off america is nowhere near a third world country in any way, second all of the problems its currently facing were started by older generations and put in the lap of the new generations who have to deal with it
His generation wasn't happy with nothing they simply were forced to deal with nothing given the circumstances, this generation doesn't want to be chained to phones unfortunately you literally need them to be a part of society, I've seen boomers more chained to their phones than gen z. And Idk how this generation won't fight for freedom, we literally haven't had a war for freedom since the 40s every war since then has just been to make corporations richer
Sir you are a hero thank you for your service God Bless, you.
This man sounds like my Grandfather. Grandpa was in Korea, and he didnt mince words either.
God bless him and I thank him for his service.
Thank You sir for our freedom today! God bless You for Your service.
They’re not like us….
sometimes u gotta do the same thing over and over. thats true for a lot of things. God bless u, sir
I believe this has to do with Shogun era militarism.
As they are the blades of their emperor, they are the hands, eyes and ears of their commanders.
Semper Fi! There may be some units in the Army, but this kind of attitude and ability is unique to the USMC. Silver or Gold on the collar just meant you didn't have to dig your own foxhole - and that was about it in expectation of professionalism and completion of the mission.
American Hero
Goes to show the leaders of those units may god have mercy life is cruel
Fun fact: The beaches the Marines landed on are now several feet higher and dozens of feet inland. Iwo Jima is part of a volcanic complex that is believed to have first formed during the Pleistocene Epoch. It is still very active and the island continues to slowly rise as a result of the magma chamber beneath it. A new vent began erupting offshore this year.
God bless you Sir and thank you for your service!
This gentleman was a badass God bless him
My dad was 23rd of the 4th at Iwo. Corporal in a mortar squad. They got off the beach intact and were (he told me as a kid) about 200 yards past the top.
Lieutenant said, “We going that way.”
Private said, “Looey, there’s a gun locked on that spot; I saw it fire a minute ago.”
Lt. said, “We’re going, and we’re going now.”
Marines shrugged and followed. The machine gun opened up and cut them all down.
Dad was hit on the chin and left for dead 3 days. He was nearly blinded by his own tooth and bone fragments and spent 2 years post-war at St. Albans Naval Hospital.
Every other man in the squad was killed.
Thank you for telling us your story sir
This example is a perfect microcosm of the entire structural differences between Eastern and Western philosophies. And it has long been an advantage of our fighting forces, almost since the beginning.
it's not exactly that, it's more popular vs feudal
Thank you for our freedoms Sir !
When it comes to war I'll take an experienced private that has seen multiple battles over a green Captain that's never been in the field
Thank you for your service and God bless!!!
This generation without a doubt was the most badass this country has ever had.
This guy could literally write down everything that makes us powerful as a nation, all from his experience in combat.
I’ve heard this about the US. I read in some other countries, killing the officer makes them fold. If you do it to Americans it makes them more aggressive.
Thank you
The US military, particularly the Infantry, exercise initiative among the lower ranks. We're briefed on the mission and individual objectives, so that when our leaders go down, the next man takes charge and understands the objective and the mission. It's part of the ethos of our military. Semper Fi Sir.
In the U.S. military, all soldiers are trained to lead. It's the main difference between their military and every other military. Other militaries either do not want or do not trust their soldiers to think for themselves, which makes their commanders extremely important for success.
I’d like to hear more about that Private who took over command. Great story…inspiring.
Thats the disadvantage to having utterly obedient fighting drones that do everything without question if commanded, but are massively discouraged from any individual thinking, they become entriely dependent on their hierarchy to function, under which they will function far better than any individual, but without that hierarchy they are clueless and uncertain.