Paradoxical Nightmare Guessing by "ya fucken twat" I'm gonna call your bluff and say that you're a brit yourself or you're just fond of the shit brits throw at each other. Regarding your question, my country is pretty far from "english-speaking", so even further from forming it's own dialect, but I do remember I heard that line in a movie about 50's or 60's italian mafia in the US and it just kinda stuck to me
I was an engine mechanic on four engine piston driven cargo planes in the Air Force back in the day. They were massive 4860 cu. in radial engines made by Pratt & Whitney which could put out 3000 shaft horse power all day long. They were about the size of a Volkswagen . To keep the overall weight of the aircraft down and increase the load capacity ,the engines were supplied with the least amount of oil on which to operate. Even then there were several hundred gallons of engine oil stored on board. A flight to Hawaii from Los Angeles where our base was located is a distance of about 3000 air miles or 10 flight hours during which each engine would burn or leak near ten gallons of oil each Trip. The Air Force used spectrometric analysis of the oil on each engine on a regular schedule. The inspections were very accurate and decisions on oil replenishment were based on the Laboratory analysis. Also certain overhaul items were done based on these analysis. Spectroanalysis is expensive . Big truck fleets could bear the cost but a single operator is better running the engine the number of hours recommended and then refill the engine and tank with fresh oil and fresh filters and consider this a cost of doing business.
Spectrographic analysis USED to be expensive. Not any more and it's so common many car and truck owners schedule it ( best done from new to establish a sound baseline) routinely. The USAF analyzes oil on fighters after every flight in normal operation and provides aircrew with the SOAP (now JOAP) sample packet you used on recips. (I'd have liked to work those but the last USAF recips were the O-2s at Shaw so I went with jets instead.)
Man, with that sound, it’s almost like 2004 all over again with me on those crew boats with the 3512s. That takes me back to 18 years old. Thank you for that!
i remember helping my dad do a top end on of them D11R machines and still to this day i remember how massive the parts were. tearing one down and seeing the size differences of the internals gave me a whole new level of appreciation for these things. hearing it start was music to my ears 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
i am a locomotive engineer so large diesels don't generally impress, but the shear size comparison of those two piston and rod assemblies is pretty neat
Ironically,these 3508's have been used in small switchers before.Back when the Army and Air Force still had Alco/Baldwin RS-4-TC-1A's still in service,they were rebuilt with 3508's by EMD in La Grange Illinois.The non rebuilt variants all came with Caterpillar D397's at first,which were just D379's with four extra cylinders.
you need a wife from Guyana. She would come in and ask what degree cam you running on that and if they knew that there is a new variable geometry turbo that makes an extra 40 horsepower thats available from ABC parts on the corner of blah and blah but if you order off the net you get a 5% discount
We run these in our boats trimmed in at 775HP nice to hear one without mufflers for once. I’ve been looking for a video for a long time showing this. 62250 hours with 2 top end over hauls and running like a champ.
I worked for years maintaining 4 G398s with somewhere in excess of 60k hours on each. I couldn't believe they were still running, but they were slow turners. Loved those things.
Medic83 mine turn relatively low for a medium speed as well. Only 1250rpm under load. They’ve been VERY reliable. I’ve never had a mechanical failure. Several sensors. Especially boost pressure sensor
He sure is! Lots of good CAT content on this engine. When I started watching his videos, I didn't know much about CAT engines specifically, and now I know quite a wealth of information about them!
I rebuild 35 and 3600 engines both Diesel and Natty gas at mustang cat off of 290 in Houston. The 3508 is the smallest one I work on. Cool to see someone put this on CZcams showing the size difference and it running.
@@TurboTon16 he worked as a mechanical engineer at a large Dutch shipping company :) I think the shaft stood up around 3 meters tall (that's about 10 ft I think).
"MAXIMUM DANGER" Awesome man! Hoping you could give us a lil bio of how you went from end dumpin to being so proficient in Yellow. I love all things trucking and Cat. I am a carpenter in Ca and youtube opened my world up to my real interests and I've made friends w my tribe and think your followers would love to hear how you got inyo the salvage or machine biz whatever ya call yourself. Thanks for taking time to share this killer stuff!
Me and one of these model 3508 standby generators have developed a huge relationship over the 25+yrs in my job. She's drunk so much fuel over the years, and sump oil but she looks so nice still buried in her place way down in the basement of the TV station where i've worked for a huge chunk my career... One time there was a mains power problem in the neighbourhood and electrical company wired her so we back-fed the whole block of businesses for a week non-stop and boy did she load up & work real hard! Never missed a beat. Only problem was the tech who spilled a fuel filter out all over the pristine clean concrete floor. Dang it...
This engine takes 448 quarts or 112 gallons of oil😮. Can you imagine having to buy 2 55 gallon drums of oil just for an oil change. Don’t believe me look it up on the caterpillar website. That’s why they run so long well oiled perhaps even over oiled machines. That’s 3.2 gallons of oil per liter of displacement. That’s like your 6.7 powerstroke taking 21.4 gallons of oil or 85 quarts.
I had to Google that cuz that just didn't sound right but sure enough on Cats website it takes 448 quarts on a refill.... so add another quart or two when it's dry lol
George Knoppe that's what I was thinking. A sump tank, to keep the oil cool and engine running smooth when running grades step incline. Per oil change, these things run the equivalent of 20,000 or more miles when comparing work load and hours.
They can be run as a 2 cycle poppet valved 2 stroke and i can fill them with tcw3 oil, lets see how long it lasts, Cat engines can brap to all the loop charging through the valves, but the 3500 has enough room to cut ports into for a 2 stroke conversion uniflow
@@jlo13800 Good idea, but the issue now becomes the valvetrain. How are the injectors and valves gonna hold up being pushed at twice their rated speed?
That's a sweet runner. Cat make the best stuff because you can get parts without waiting 6 weeks for it to arrive and paying too much. Built with mechanics in mind and tuff
Love those turbos whistle !! Great sound all round, but I was surprised to see how small they were....thought they would be bigger on such a big engine, but they obviously do the job. Great vid.
Oh the sound of that big CAT reminds me of my dad. He was a heavy machinery operator for many years and a truck driver before that. I remember sitting on his lap on a big D9 (if I remember correctly) shoving over a tree. Probably broke every policy of OSHA but dammit that is a golden memory.
I was impressed when I saw a sc big block in a lil s10, then my uncle smiled and took me to work with him. There's something majestic about engines so large the pistons are dam near as big as you.
I got one them in my short bed.. bolted right in.. mounted the drivers seat on the turbo manifold. next challenge is to figure out how to dig the wheels out the doors..
We had two of these on the second ship I served on. They each drove a 450 kW generator, ran at 1,200 RPM, and were the marine version of this engine. Water jacketed exhaust manifolds and turbine housings, raw water heat exchanger and a big coolant tank at the front of the engine. Large engines, but these were small compared to the 3608's that served as the main propulsion engines. Good times!
Would the lower skirting of the block even fit between the frame rails? I watched this video thinking the same thing (well sorta, I though how badass this would be in an old 4964 Western Star) and came to the conclusion that, no, it will not work. It's too friggen huge.
I work in the tech sector and have nothing to do with anything mechanical. Yet here I am, watching these glorious Diesel Engines as if I am a kid in the candy store as you play with these majestic toys! Great content brother! Appreciate your work!
Very well balanced crank in that engine. Thanks for showing the internals, were still looking pretty good. That running engine sounds great. Love the sound of the air starter.
That's some fantastic engine you have there. As you Americans say there's no substitute for CUBIC CAPACITY. As I have said in your past videos we don't see such big rigs on our roads as you have. Really enjoyed watching your videos and the Sounds of those engines. Allways look out for more videos 👍👍👍. Best wishes, Geoff Lewis, Wales, UK, UK 🏴🏴🏴
Definitely used in dozens and loaders. I ran a Cat 992G with the same 3508 in it. 1000 hp at 1600 rpm. 14 yard bucket and it (the whole machine) weighed 100 tons. A beast!
Nothing like the sound of a BIG V8... Here in sweden we're blessed with the Scania 16 litre units, that are actually plentiful on our roads. Those rigs, with loud pipes... Man, i could listen to that sound all day and all night... Nice video!
I have built these and the 12, 16, and 20 cylinder counterparts for the last 26 years. Great engines. That 8cylinder offset rod journal is quite an interesting accomplishment. 12’s, 16’s and 20’s are symmetrical. I’ve laid cranks in 10’s of thousands of these in my career at Cat. Want to know anything about the gear train and front housing let me know.
I used to build these engines along with the 3406 and the C11, C13, C15, 4.4, 6.6, 9.3 and many other CAT and Perkins engines. I love CAT engines. They are built extremely well.
Appreciate your skill analyzing these large cat diesel engines. Impressive to see how organized & methodical you explain then replace/repair these big engines. Great for my armchair YT viewing! Carry on Sir!👍👍👍🍺
I work around 2 of these daily, they're used as generators for a boat i work on, electronic injection but very much no fuss and very straightforward engines, I like em.
I used to drive concrete trucks and I remember hearing all the trucks crank up in the morning. Loved the sound of the diesel engines and the whir of those turbochargers.
in the power plant at my hospital we got two HUGE V12 CAT generators, absolutely massive and loud! i wish it had specs on the motor, all i know is that locomotives use similar engines
I use to package Cat 3500 series engines with reciprocating gas compressors back in the 1990's. They ran off of the natural gas that was being compressed. The 3616 is a beast. I remember it required a five minute pre-lube cycle before starting because the crank shaft was so heavy that if it started without the pre-lube it would score the journal bearings. It also had an unusual idling characteristic where the idle speed would oscillate between something like 500 and 1000 rpm in a loop every five second or so. But ship engines are the kings - far bigger.
@@electric7487 Actually I made a typo in my post. I meant the 3616 not the 3516 (corrected now). Not sure what you mean by "mechanical" engine, because all engines are mechanical. The 3616 is an internal combustion engine with 16 cylinders in a V-shaped arrangement.
@@electric7487 Good question. This was back in the '90s so I really can't remember the specifics about that engine at that time. But I do know that some of the other makes of engines did have electronically controlled fuel systems. Some were lean-burn with pre-chamber ignition. So they had some fairly sophisticated fuel system control. We only dealt with natural gas engines, so some of them also had a sensing system to detect the specific gravity of the fuel being supplied and would adjust the air/fuel ratio accordingly.
That first ad was an hilarious cutaway! He said let's start this thing up,then smash cut to some crazy chick firing up a little car and roaring off into a car chase!!!! Just made me giggle a little.
Walk by a truck with one starting up and your heart will miss a beat. Old FWD truck pulling a pot started up right beside me one time and I almost cleared the rails.
What a beast. Sounds incredible and runs surprisingly clean. I expected plenty of clag when revving it. Someone will now decide to try one in an F350 and put it here on CZcams.
@@BIGGIEDEVIL They still make off road engines, generator engines, just not road tractor engines. The Acert series almost bankrupted Caterpillar since they refused to use EGR for emissions control but the fickle nature of Acert led to extensive warranty work. I personally had a catastrophic engine failure at 110k miles on an Acert C13. The problems were so bad it took more than two weeks to get a reman head from Cat.
Robert Polkamp I am a retired peterbilt tech that worked on cat engines for along time. We affectionately called the acert engines ass-hurts. From turbos,cylinder heads getting trashed from broken rocker shaft studs,VVA actuators blowing apart they were plagued with problems. It was a real shame.It was the death nail in the coffin for on-highway engines for cat.
@@scottbaker1018.... I have a 2006 Pete 379 with the C15 Accert (compound turbos), which now has 1,135, 420 miles on it (as of yesterday - Mar.6th, 2020)... runs great and has never been opened up yet.... same for the trans and rears.
We have a local mine that runs these in about 20 777 trucks, another mine runs the 12s in 785s. I worked for 20 years at those mines as a Cat field Tech, these engines are amazing
These engines might be derated. The new marine 3516E's are pushing 3300 HP out of 78L, meanwhile this engine has 1000 HP but 34.5L. Might it be the split crankpins' inherently weaker nature that's holding the 3508 back?
Great video! Your asteroid, is a former crown buoy. The ring of rust around the middle is where the water line used to be when it was floating in salt water somewhere. Probably used to mark a mooring anchor.
I used to work on the big luxury yachts , that had 2 3516 Cat main engines . The sound of them starting and idling was ORGASMIC at 1800 ???? Well lets say over the moon
I held my phone up to the speaker and recorded that engine sound. Now it's my ringtone. It's also my alarm. I can't think of a better sound to wake up to. I had been using the P51D Mustang engine, but that's a little too intense for the morning. The ol' 3508 is much more soothing...
Very educational for me. I loved the crankshaft shots. I never would have expected that crankpins could be split that much without causing durability problems. That's an aspect of engine design I've always wondered about. The 3508 looks like it has a 60-degree V-angle, so the pins need to be split 30 degrees to make the engine even-firing. I trust that Cat did their homework before deciding that the engine wouldn't be compromised by having split crank pins.
Yep, the 3500 is a modular family which means they just add or remove cylinders as needed. The -30° split is necessary as a flat-plane crank would produce excessive secondary vibrations and a cross-plane crank requires each pair of cylinders to hit TDC together, 90° apart, or 180° apart. The 90° option was chosen as the crankpin split would have to be only 30°, rather than 60° or 120°. I'm also wondering if the split crankpins on the 3508 are why the 3512 and 3516's are capable of so much more power per displacement.
After the engine is all healed, it's returned to the wild where it can choose a mate and eat trees and boulders. Some have lived to be 100K hours.
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@Paradoxical Nightmare yes but the engine isnt used every hour of the day 🤦🏽♂️
Paradoxical Nightmare don't mean to interrupt this pointless argument but did someone shit in your coffee mate?
Paradoxical Nightmare Guessing by "ya fucken twat" I'm gonna call your bluff and say that you're a brit yourself or you're just fond of the shit brits throw at each other. Regarding your question, my country is pretty far from "english-speaking", so even further from forming it's own dialect, but I do remember I heard that line in a movie about 50's or 60's italian mafia in the US and it just kinda stuck to me
I was an engine mechanic on four engine piston driven cargo planes in the Air Force back in the day. They were massive 4860 cu. in radial engines made by Pratt & Whitney which could put out 3000 shaft horse power all day long. They were about the size of a Volkswagen . To keep the overall weight of the aircraft down and increase the load capacity ,the engines were supplied with the least amount of oil on which to operate. Even then there were several hundred gallons of engine oil stored on board. A flight to Hawaii from Los Angeles where our base was located is a distance of about 3000 air miles or 10 flight hours during which each engine would burn or leak near ten gallons of oil each Trip. The Air Force used spectrometric analysis of the oil on each engine on a regular schedule. The inspections were very accurate and decisions on oil replenishment were based on the Laboratory analysis. Also certain overhaul items were done based on these analysis. Spectroanalysis is expensive . Big truck fleets could bear the cost but a single operator is better running the engine the number of hours recommended and then refill the engine and tank with fresh oil and fresh filters and consider this a cost of doing business.
Did you mean 4360?
@@eldorado96 I hope so...
Not if the damn thing blows itself up beforehand lol
Thank you for sharing Mr Tim and thank you for your service.
Spectrographic analysis USED to be expensive. Not any more and it's so common many car and truck owners schedule it ( best done from new to establish a sound baseline) routinely. The USAF analyzes oil on fighters after every flight in normal operation and provides aircrew with the SOAP (now JOAP) sample packet you used on recips. (I'd have liked to work those but the last USAF recips were the O-2s at Shaw so I went with jets instead.)
I'm impressed at how little smoke it makes, for an engine that big, that's impressive! I have seen road cars making more smoke than that.
It's tuned appropriately if a diesel is rolling coal its putting too much fuel in
Man, with that sound, it’s almost like 2004 all over again with me on those crew boats with the 3512s. That takes me back to 18 years old. Thank you for that!
That was around the time my favorite 2 strokes were starting to be phased out. Thanks, California.
Took the fan shroud off for maximum danger!!! Haha I love it
Thanks for watching.
@@KT3406E all good I'm a cat mechanic from Australia
I laughed at that one too... LOL
´shake hands with danger´
@@davonmulder8458 'Duh-duh-dah-doo'
i remember helping my dad do a top end on of them D11R machines and still to this day i remember how massive the parts were. tearing one down and seeing the size differences of the internals gave me a whole new level of appreciation for these things. hearing it start was music to my ears 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
i am a locomotive engineer so large diesels don't generally impress, but the shear size comparison of those two piston and rod assemblies is pretty neat
Ironically,these 3508's have been used in small switchers before.Back when the Army and Air Force still had Alco/Baldwin RS-4-TC-1A's still in service,they were rebuilt with 3508's by EMD in La Grange Illinois.The non rebuilt variants all came with Caterpillar D397's at first,which were just D379's with four extra cylinders.
Check out marine diesels! Some of those bores could swallow a locomotive diesel whole.
My wife goes "Could you turn that down?!" I said "Hell naw woman that's a 35L V8!"
Haha this comment is awesome! 😁😂
you need a wife from Guyana. She would come in and ask what degree cam you running on that and if they knew that there is a new variable geometry turbo that makes an extra 40 horsepower thats available from ABC parts on the corner of blah and blah but if you order off the net you get a 5% discount
@@jussayinmipeece1069 What the fuck did I just read
@@electric7487 LOL
Same here lmao
Ohhh my I was very happy to hear this thing idle...but when he started givin it some gas and hearing the turbo whine....oh my I melted 🥰
We run these in our boats trimmed in at 775HP nice to hear one without mufflers for once. I’ve been looking for a video for a long time showing this. 62250 hours with 2 top end over hauls and running like a champ.
I worked for years maintaining 4 G398s with somewhere in excess of 60k hours on each. I couldn't believe they were still running, but they were slow turners. Loved those things.
Medic83 mine turn relatively low for a medium speed as well. Only 1250rpm under load. They’ve been VERY reliable. I’ve never had a mechanical failure. Several sensors. Especially boost pressure sensor
These are the real CAT's . I have a new 800hp cat model in my boat and is a piece of shit !!!! Those old cats are monsters ..!
eloyex
Time to swap in 2 old engines...
@Yutube Lurker 3100 ftlbs
I didn't skip the ads because you seem like a decent man
He sure is! Lots of good CAT content on this engine. When I started watching his videos, I didn't know much about CAT engines specifically, and now I know quite a wealth of information about them!
You didn't know a great deal about that engine so you bought one and learnt. Good for you Sir, and your CAN -DO outlook on life.
I rebuild 35 and 3600 engines both Diesel and Natty gas at mustang cat off of 290 in Houston. The 3508 is the smallest one I work on. Cool to see someone put this on CZcams showing the size difference and it running.
We built that engine Caterpillar Lafayette Indiana
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
Worked for whayne cat in louisville kentucky.
I work for Empire Cat in Arizona and build 3500's all day would love to learn the 3600 series.
Work for Ohio Cat in Columbus. Have replaced a cylinder pack in a 3520 recently. Dropped a valve. Landfill gas.
propane tank look like a damn WW2 water mine
I thought that first too or a old crap tank from Joe dirt.
Its a marine bouy
I'd like to have one to build a smoker/grill that I could Townsend around.
The engine looks like it was from a submarine in WW2
@@coolbreezeak7578 That wouldn't be designed for internal pressure.
That crank could be a sculpture as it stands.
Was thinking the same thing just clean it up with some brake clean and boom a $1000 piece of art
@@TurboTon16 My uncle used to have a crank from a ship's engine as a sculpture in his garden -- pure awesomeness!
@@Pistoletjes dam how did he get it though?
@@TurboTon16 he worked as a mechanical engineer at a large Dutch shipping company :) I think the shaft stood up around 3 meters tall (that's about 10 ft I think).
"MAXIMUM DANGER" Awesome man! Hoping you could give us a lil bio of how you went from end dumpin to being so proficient in Yellow. I love all things trucking and Cat. I am a carpenter in Ca and youtube opened my world up to my real interests and I've made friends w my tribe and think your followers would love to hear how you got inyo the salvage or machine biz whatever ya call yourself. Thanks for taking time to share this killer stuff!
“So I ended up buying all 6 of ‘em”
I spit my coffee everywhere !! 😂👍
Build a custom Motorcycle with one and have it kickstart
john woodworth not even the hulk could kickstart this engine
@@daevid21 hahaha lol
@@daevid21 Ahhhh....hahahaha....you made me forget what I wanted to say😂😂😂
I spit my oatmeal everywhere.
Itll break your leg if it returns
Me and one of these model 3508 standby generators have developed a huge relationship over the 25+yrs in my job. She's drunk so much fuel over the years, and sump oil but she looks so nice still buried in her place way down in the basement of the TV station where i've worked for a huge chunk my career... One time there was a mains power problem in the neighbourhood and electrical company wired her so we back-fed the whole block of businesses for a week non-stop and boy did she load up & work real hard! Never missed a beat. Only problem was the tech who spilled a fuel filter out all over the pristine clean concrete floor. Dang it...
ok once i saw your hand grab and spin the crank i realized how insane this engine is
This engine takes 448 quarts or 112 gallons of oil😮. Can you imagine having to buy 2 55 gallon drums of oil just for an oil change. Don’t believe me look it up on the caterpillar website. That’s why they run so long well oiled perhaps even over oiled machines. That’s 3.2 gallons of oil per liter of displacement. That’s like your 6.7 powerstroke taking 21.4 gallons of oil or 85 quarts.
I had to Google that cuz that just didn't sound right but sure enough on Cats website it takes 448 quarts on a refill.... so add another quart or two when it's dry lol
You could plumb it to a 5000 gallon tank. It doesn't actually hold 448 qts as that makes 424 liters, or the displacement of 12 of those things 😮
George Knoppe that's what I was thinking. A sump tank, to keep the oil cool and engine running smooth when running grades step incline. Per oil change, these things run the equivalent of 20,000 or more miles when comparing work load and hours.
hpkntnw Think you got your figures wrong. No way does it take that much oil.
If it does,, yanks are poor at building engines.
@@chrise8442 nope he's right and if you saw the machine this engine goes in you would understand
Maximum danger, what a guy!
"There's no replacement, for BIG displacement!" -Random American Gearhead
Thanks for the tour. Hearing that old beauty start up was worth the price of admission.
The turbo whistle makes it sound like a diesel locomotive
The old Clatterpillar sounds pretty good.
Sounds nothing like a loco...sorry
@@epistte yep
@@johnhull6363 the turbo whistle
@@johnhull6363 A british loco perhaps?
Nothing like the sound of a big Cat diesel engine ... love it :o)
Paulster2 Yeah, all the rest are broken
Caterpillar poo poo
Hmm. Really nice sound of engine
They can be run as a 2 cycle poppet valved 2 stroke and i can fill them with tcw3 oil, lets see how long it lasts, Cat engines can brap to all the loop charging through the valves, but the 3500 has enough room to cut ports into for a 2 stroke conversion uniflow
I like the sound of Detroit better😎
@@jlo13800 Good idea, but the issue now becomes the valvetrain. How are the injectors and valves gonna hold up being pushed at twice their rated speed?
"B-weeeeeeeh" -goes the air starter! Loved starting our Cat Genset in the morning!
That's a sweet runner. Cat make the best stuff because you can get parts without waiting 6 weeks for it to arrive and paying too much. Built with mechanics in mind and tuff
Love those turbos whistle !! Great sound all round, but I was surprised to see how small they were....thought they would be bigger on such a big engine, but they obviously do the job. Great vid.
Oh the sound of that big CAT reminds me of my dad. He was a heavy machinery operator for many years and a truck driver before that. I remember sitting on his lap on a big D9 (if I remember correctly) shoving over a tree. Probably broke every policy of OSHA but dammit that is a golden memory.
I don't worry too much about OSHA around here, thanks for watching.
gotta love that air start I used to sail on a fishing vessel that had a 3608 cat main engine wonderful engineering and reliability I love your videos
I was impressed when I saw a sc big block in a lil s10, then my uncle smiled and took me to work with him. There's something majestic about engines so large the pistons are dam near as big as you.
What an absolute UNIT!
I got one them in my short bed.. bolted right in.. mounted the drivers seat on the turbo manifold. next challenge is to figure out how to dig the wheels out the doors..
I know a fellow, who rebuilt this type equip... he ended up owning half the county! Good video! Thanks much for taking us along!
We had two of these on the second ship I served on. They each drove a 450 kW generator, ran at 1,200 RPM, and were the marine version of this engine. Water jacketed exhaust manifolds and turbine housings, raw water heat exchanger and a big coolant tank at the front of the engine. Large engines, but these were small compared to the 3608's that served as the main propulsion engines. Good times!
It would be cool to squeeze this thing in an old peterbuilt.
Would the lower skirting of the block even fit between the frame rails?
I watched this video thinking the same thing (well sorta, I though how badass this would be in an old 4964 Western Star) and came to the conclusion that, no, it will not work. It's too friggen huge.
What kinda power and torque does this thing put out ? 2000+?
@@BIGGIEDEVIL 3100 ft lbs
Peterbilt
How much lube you got? cause this thing don’t fit
"I've got the fan shroud off for maximum danger"😂
I work in the tech sector and have nothing to do with anything mechanical. Yet here I am, watching these glorious Diesel Engines as if I am a kid in the candy store as you play with these majestic toys!
Great content brother! Appreciate your work!
Very well balanced crank in that engine. Thanks for showing the internals, were still looking pretty good. That running engine sounds great. Love the sound of the air starter.
"I've got the fan shrouds off for maximum danger I guess." Perfection.
Gonna make this into a sound track for my shop stereo system, thanks!
That 3508 engine has some of the biggest pistons I ever seen.
There is something so primal about a big engine sound and that was a big engine sound.
Pure joy.
Now you just need a Generator head and you're ready to pay your own electricity.
with plants that size he could run the entire town and have surplus these units would drive 3 /400 kva turbines without even sweating .
Own electricity!?!? The whole neighborhood 😁 just have everybody chip in for fuel!
And then use engineered bacteria that create the vegetable oil you need in order to make ester of that oil, and you got plenty of homemade biodiesel!
That was what I was thinking. I love the idea of having something old like this for emergency power back up.
good idea, he would even be able to charge a tesla with it ;)
That's some fantastic engine you have there. As you Americans say there's no substitute for CUBIC CAPACITY. As I have said in your past videos we don't see such big rigs on our roads as you have. Really enjoyed watching your videos and the Sounds of those engines. Allways look out for more videos 👍👍👍. Best wishes, Geoff Lewis, Wales, UK, UK 🏴🏴🏴
Sheep shagger baaaaaaaaaa!!
These engines are used in dozers I think.
You wouldn't fit this engine under the cab or bonnet of any highway truck.
Definitely used in dozens and loaders. I ran a Cat 992G with the same 3508 in it. 1000 hp at 1600 rpm. 14 yard bucket and it (the whole machine) weighed 100 tons. A beast!
Man oh man did that engine sound so beautiful.
Nothing like the sound of a BIG V8...
Here in sweden we're blessed with the Scania 16 litre units, that are actually plentiful on our roads. Those rigs, with loud pipes... Man, i could listen to that sound all day and all night...
Nice video!
Sounds pretty good. Not as loud as I thought they'd be.
I about spit my drink out when you paused and said "I ended up buying all six of them ..." LOL!!!
I have built these and the 12, 16, and 20 cylinder counterparts for the last 26 years. Great engines. That 8cylinder offset rod journal is quite an interesting accomplishment. 12’s, 16’s and 20’s are symmetrical. I’ve laid cranks in 10’s of thousands of these in my career at Cat. Want to know anything about the gear train and front housing let me know.
What size turbos are used on these beasts? I imagine that they must be massive (not your daily driver size turbo)...
Is that offset responsible for the awesome sound they make? Until now i'd assumed it was from a crossplane crank. Or perhaps they have both?
I used to build these engines along with the 3406 and the C11, C13, C15, 4.4, 6.6, 9.3 and many other CAT and Perkins engines. I love CAT engines. They are built extremely well.
gotta love the sound of a big ol' diesel engine
Appreciate your skill analyzing these large cat diesel engines. Impressive to see how organized & methodical you explain then replace/repair these big engines. Great for my armchair YT viewing! Carry on Sir!👍👍👍🍺
I work around 2 of these daily, they're used as generators for a boat i work on, electronic injection but very much no fuss and very straightforward engines, I like em.
This is so badass. Just..wow. What an awesome piece of machinery.
Now you need a D11 with a bad motor.
I think most of them have been repowered with C32s...
can you repower a d11n to c32?(aftercooler mounted in block means older than r)
@@matthewbrebner9221 I'm no Cat expert but I would imagine you could.
@@matthewbrebner9221 It can be...if you call me, I'm caterpillar engine basic master.
or a boat...or would it be a ship at that point?
Propane tank..... There is a place in Kilgore Texas that still makes those tanks.
I used to drive concrete trucks and I remember hearing all the trucks crank up in the morning. Loved the sound of the diesel engines and the whir of those turbochargers.
in the power plant at my hospital we got two HUGE V12 CAT generators, absolutely massive and loud! i wish it had specs on the motor, all i know is that locomotives use similar engines
That needs to be a tshirt hahaha
"Fur...maximum danger. I guess?"
I use to package Cat 3500 series engines with reciprocating gas compressors back in the 1990's. They ran off of the natural gas that was being compressed.
The 3616 is a beast. I remember it required a five minute pre-lube cycle before starting because the crank shaft was so heavy that if it started without the pre-lube it would score the journal bearings. It also had an unusual idling characteristic where the idle speed would oscillate between something like 500 and 1000 rpm in a loop every five second or so.
But ship engines are the kings - far bigger.
Was that 3516 with the wide rolling idle a mechanical engine?
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Actually I made a typo in my post. I meant the 3616 not the 3516 (corrected now).
Not sure what you mean by "mechanical" engine, because all engines are mechanical. The 3616 is an internal combustion engine with 16 cylinders in a V-shaped arrangement.
@@jonfklein I meant mechanical vs. electronic fuel systems.
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Good question. This was back in the '90s so I really can't remember the specifics about that engine at that time. But I do know that some of the other makes of engines did have electronically controlled fuel systems. Some were lean-burn with pre-chamber ignition. So they had some fairly sophisticated fuel system control. We only dealt with natural gas engines, so some of them also had a sensing system to detect the specific gravity of the fuel being supplied and would adjust the air/fuel ratio accordingly.
That first ad was an hilarious cutaway! He said let's start this thing up,then smash cut to some crazy chick firing up a little car and roaring off into a car chase!!!! Just made me giggle a little.
Super cool video. Glad to see you have enough engine in your yard to power a city
“For maximum danger” 👍🏻😂
these are good engines i have worked alot with cat 3512 and 3516 marine engines. The cat 3516 with deepsump takes around 800 liters of oil.
I built Cat engines for 10 years. They are one of the toughest engines out there.
How lucky you guys are playing with these expensive monsters...Those are real metals at least! Bravo bravo.
"I have the fan shrouds off for maximum danger I guess" 😂
6:15 Air Start..... love it..
Me too !!!! like a freaking 747 turbine !!!!
Walk by a truck with one starting up and your heart will miss a beat.
Old FWD truck pulling a pot started up right beside me one time and I almost cleared the rails.
What a beast. Sounds incredible and runs surprisingly clean. I expected plenty of clag when revving it. Someone will now decide to try one in an F350 and put it here on CZcams.
Great sound, amazed at how little smoke it emits.
The piston and rod look about the size of the ones out of the larger John Deere 2 cylinder tractors
This was when CAT was at their best. Too many ECU controlled systems now.
Grant unfortunately cat stop building engines in 2016 due to not meeting pollution regulations
@@BIGGIEDEVIL They still make off road engines, generator engines, just not road tractor engines. The Acert series almost bankrupted Caterpillar since they refused to use EGR for emissions control but the fickle nature of Acert led to extensive warranty work. I personally had a catastrophic engine failure at 110k miles on an Acert C13. The problems were so bad it took more than two weeks to get a reman head from Cat.
Robert Polkamp I am a retired peterbilt tech that worked on cat engines for along time. We affectionately called the acert engines ass-hurts. From turbos,cylinder heads getting trashed from broken rocker shaft studs,VVA actuators blowing apart they were plagued with problems. It was a real shame.It was the death nail in the coffin for on-highway engines for cat.
But why these engines are not in vehicles. Are broken?
@@scottbaker1018.... I have a 2006 Pete 379 with the C15 Accert (compound turbos), which now has 1,135, 420 miles on it (as of yesterday - Mar.6th, 2020)... runs great and has never been opened up yet.... same for the trans and rears.
I love the fact that you're right next to a residential neighborhood running a 35anything.
There's nothing more classic then an old Cat engine.
i love that sound it is music to my ears man you should rev that engine a little more.
"Fan shrouds off, for maximum danger" LOL🤣😂😀
My god it sounds like a Cadillac. Beautiful machine, effortless.
I love the little Horten Sphere that holds the starting air! Beautiful sounding Caterpillar 3508 V8!
I can only imagine runaway on one of those
xtreme pacito if it did .... you better runaway as well!!!! Lol
They dont and have fuel shut off's and mechanical injection that can be distinguished if they ever did.
@@waynerainey2606 A fuel shut off won't help if it runs away on it's own oil.
xtreme pacito why dont these engines have throttle bodies
ukkomies100 diesels don’t use throttle bodies for control. It’s full air all the time, just more fuel or less fuel for engine speed
Public Service Announcement :
Engine Disassembly - Caterpillar Engines come apart easier without Oil than they do with a Wrench.....!!
hahahahaha
Yes I've pulled a couple 3208's in farm tractors and combines guys used as a test bed for that theory L.O.L
That crankshaft is incredibly beautiful engineering. What a sweet sounding beast.
We have a local mine that runs these in about 20 777 trucks, another mine runs the 12s in 785s. I worked for 20 years at those mines as a Cat field Tech, these engines are amazing
Freaking awesome! That offset journal crank looked like a bad idea...that worked.
These engines might be derated. The new marine 3516E's are pushing 3300 HP out of 78L, meanwhile this engine has 1000 HP but 34.5L. Might it be the split crankpins' inherently weaker nature that's holding the 3508 back?
Great video! Your asteroid, is a former crown buoy. The ring of rust around the middle is where the water line used to be when it was floating in salt water somewhere. Probably used to mark a mooring anchor.
Wrong!
Propane tank; just like the man said.
The line of rust is from the dissimilar metal of the seam weld.
I used to work on the big luxury yachts , that had 2 3516 Cat main engines . The sound of them starting and idling was ORGASMIC at 1800 ???? Well lets say over the moon
Besides the cool engines with the alien looking cranks, split rod journals and all, that's the coolest g'damn air tank I've ever seen.
Well this just fixed my erectile dysfunction. Love it
Me too! Sadly I still can't see it.
Lol, ,,, I think we need a smoke after listening to that thing purr
casually buys 6 of these things right out...
I held my phone up to the speaker and recorded that engine sound. Now it's my ringtone. It's also my alarm. I can't think of a better sound to wake up to. I had been using the P51D Mustang engine, but that's a little too intense for the morning. The ol' 3508 is much more soothing...
The grunt sound is amazing!
Love it. Needs more cowbell! Lol
no belt no chain.. gears.. best timing system
Omg nothing can replace the diesel . It's the best .
Very educational for me. I loved the crankshaft shots. I never would have expected that crankpins could be split that much without causing durability problems. That's an aspect of engine design I've always wondered about. The 3508 looks like it has a 60-degree V-angle, so the pins need to be split 30 degrees to make the engine even-firing. I trust that Cat did their homework before deciding that the engine wouldn't be compromised by having split crank pins.
Yep, the 3500 is a modular family which means they just add or remove cylinders as needed. The -30° split is necessary as a flat-plane crank would produce excessive secondary vibrations and a cross-plane crank requires each pair of cylinders to hit TDC together, 90° apart, or 180° apart. The 90° option was chosen as the crankpin split would have to be only 30°, rather than 60° or 120°.
I'm also wondering if the split crankpins on the 3508 are why the 3512 and 3516's are capable of so much more power per displacement.
Ah ain't that cute. I have 8 3516's and also work on a lot of 3520's. Good video
Cheese and rice got all muddy.... I mean
JESUS CHRIST GOD ALL MIGHTY.
AM I the only one awestruck that it started that easy, and ran that clean?
It was probably already warmed up.
I was pretty amazed at how fast it started too. Then just idled clean at FIVE HUNDRED RPM! Damn.
He showed The temp. gauge and it looked like a cold start.
It's an air start. Spins the engine over so Damn fast, if you listen it slows down a little after initial start up
@@zakiramjan9822 Do air start systems have inherently more torque than electric start? Sorry, not familiar with them on consumer grade stuff.
I love big engines ,this thing is like a treasure find ,it looks so massive
Can’t believe i get excited about these love the sound 😂