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I think the real issue is that every part of the entire system knows that the 4090 should of had DisplayPort 2.0.
I guarantee the 4090Ti will have DP 2.0 along with some cranked up power.
DP 2.0 will be one of the major selling points because nvidia knows aint nobody buying a 4090ti as eagerly as a 4090 when a 4090 already delivers *INSANE* fps on all resolutions.
@@smiIingman silly to have it be a "selling point " if AMD may even have DP 2.1
@@smiIingman In fairness, the 4090 and 4090Ti aren't for people who split hairs in game FPS numbers. They are for content creators/VFX artists. The selling point for a 4090Ti over the 4090 is going to boil down to something unrelated to FPS, like a MUCH larger VRAM/bus width.
@@smiIingman funny enough the 4090 is so voltage limited and can be power unlocked to 600w but wont use it at all. Almsot feels like they pulled the voltage down to allow them selfs room for a 4090ti that will be able to pull 600w
"should of"
Jay tested with BIOS 1.08.AS04. The issue was fixed with BIOS 1.09.AS01, which was released 2 days before this video. The video must have been shot before that BIOS was out.
Would it boot off the agp so you can update the vbios
@@SlyNine should be able to yes
@@Todd_Manus because a bios wasn't available to solve the issue before he shot the video? Edit: and you are watching... Or did you just come here to comment?
@@Todd_Manus This whole video is basically on point since that bios fix only popped up in the last two days. Who knows when this was filmed, but he's actually been spot on talking about firmware and hardware not playing well together. Watch from 12:25 to hear him talk about it.
And how would you update gpu bios if ghat thing isnt booting pc?
This is the reason I am a late adopter. I don't want to deal with finicky conflicts on boot-up.
i'm a late adoptor cause i'm poor.
Or just go Intel and don't have these AMD issues.
@@technicalotaku5970 I appreciate that you are honest.
@@technicalotaku5970 Wait 2 years for another card to release. Save 600$+ dollars
@@SilverJoystix tbh i can't complain too much, i have a 1070ti which still plays pretty much everything in 1080p and some lighter games in 1440p though i am thinking about an upgrade soon.
I never knew that you could update the VBIOS through Precision X1! Just did and can see why I was having issues with ReBAR now with how old the VBIOS was. Thanks!
There is a beta bios update released 13th Oct which improves compatibility for 4090 GPU's so they must have discovered the problem just after launch.
He said he already installed that bios on the previous video and I know it's the newest one, unless your talking about the GPU bios
@@bes12000 You can literally see in this video it's version 1.08 at 8:25. The latest is 1.09 that fixes the 4090 issues.
@@marty_nz Yes well im saying he said he already installed that bios, the one that had the 4090 fix in the previous video, lol ..so I guess that was a fib
@@bes12000 Mobo brands don't always put the right info and date on bios, especially beta ones. So it would say 13th but they could have upgraded 1.08 to 1.09 yesterday. So it would look like they reacted fast, not really :D
@@bes12000 No, he installed 1.08 which was the latest at the time of the other video. 1.09 came out after that last video was put up, (Jayz was out of town yesterday, reason there was no podcast). And it seems he did not see there was a new bios 1.09 when filming this video. Also note that the videos are not shot and posted the same day, even this video could have been shot prior to the 1.09 release. I wouldn't be surprised if this video was shot on the same day as the prior one, again before 1.09's release.
Thank you Jay and team for these videos. I love your presentation and you always make it enjoying to watch. Keep going guys! Stay awesome!
Had same problem with Asus X670E-I and Inno3D x3 oc - I was seriously concerned after a BIOS update and still a blank screen.
Thanks to Jay this issue has been spearheaded and troubleshot by the best! Thanks man!
I'm pretty much watching this video.. drooling.. you have a 4090? You have the best job Jay!
Im Still dreaming of getting a 30 series gpu and now 40 series is up. Watching your videos really makes me happy. :)
get the 30 series, fuck nvidia this time around
hopefully jay trys a water chiller this time around for leader board
thank you for the evga precision test i never knew that
Hey Jay, Last month or so I have had to search for your videos not showing up as usual in my home page of youtube. not sure if its just me. just thought I'd comment. thanks for the great content as always.
I think this is more related to the motherboard bios config than Asus VBios.
Those newer cards have default EFI frame buffer for boot, you may need to disable fastboot and enable CSM or disable it entirely depending on what's your current config.
The motherboard must read the graphic card's bios then run it in order to enable external graphic.
This sounds like a lazy bios job.
It is an AsRock motherboard, they are notoriously garbage.
This is a known AM5 issue that has been fixed with a new BIOS revision that has been available for 3 days. All motherboard vendors sent out warnings about this issue to the press 3 weeks ago. Another Jay blunder.
AsRock is just garbage, that is the reason, nothing to do with the videocard. Even with 3090 founders edition it boots too slow... shows the Bios too slow. That AsRock has some serious problems. My Asus ROG Strix B460-F boots faster without fastboot. To boot that slow it means there are some problems or just the mainboard is pure trash. I'm sure if the mainboard was MSI or Gigabyte it would have also worked better. To put 3090 ROG strix with that abomination of a board.... why not put it with ROG strix mainboard..... 🤣
@@Slav4o911 I'm actually running an MSI board and it's the same behaviour as in the video. I'm currently waiting on my 4090 order to come through so I installed my old 2070 (also MSI) for the interim. It does memory training every boot, it doesn't show video in bios and first time in Windows I can't begin to describe the distortion effects and jittering I saw on my screen. 😬 I'm anxiously waiting for MSI to get their act together and push out a bios that actually fixes things. The only one they have on their site made the bios unstable and it is now impossible to activate expo profiles on the ram. Early adopter glory - fully realized. 😂 So happy this video exists simply so I don't feel so stupid anymore for not being able to get my computer working properly. 😅
@@Maskawanian thanks im not gonna buy this shitty asrock motherboard on my 7000 series build.
Also, memory get retrained due to Fastboot. The reason behind that is with Fastboot on, the PC is resetting to default for certain settings when you shutdown from with Windows. That's also the reason that if you're running a full AMD build, Wattman/Radeon Software will tell you it out GPU settings back to default due to system failure.
TURN OFF FASTBOOT FOR NOW.
That just reminded me of all of the Wattman messages I kept getting when I was using my 6700xt before I got my 3080 ftw3. That is not something I miss lol.
I have a full AMD system and I haven't actually had that pop up warning in a while, used to happen on a semi regular occasion but I haven't actually seen it in a while.
I got that message today after my first boot using fastboot, and that explains it.
Fastboot should be turned off when changing hardware.... The funny thing is, my system boots faster with fastboot turned off than the one showed in the video.
you're at 3 million almost 4. time flies.. I still remember this channel being under a million
I love this channel I have learned so much and am still learning so much from this channel. I also love watching the other nerds argue in the comments on here lol.
Holding off on the 40 series for now. I got lucky to pick up discounted the 3090. But did end up getting B650 mobo and AMD CPU. First AMD since the FX series. So far very happy with the system.
Well thanks for doing us the service of being the guinea pig of this new platform 😂 I just built my first pc last year with a 5800x and 3070 but I got a 3080ti a month ago so I'm sticking with this for a long time. If anything I might go am5 with the 3080ti. I'm just playing in 1440p anyways so the 3080ti is very very over kill. I'm getting way more frames than my monitor can put out.
If you have a 3090 there's no reason to get a 40 series.
Seeing this a lot online and one time in person with various motherboards and configurations, the easiest solution has almost always been swapping the GPU out with another one (any GPU doesn't have to be another 4090) to make the system stop and take another look at what's being put in it. It's not a purely AMD issue, it's probably just more likely with Zen4 because you're taking two "bleeding edge" products and mixing them, in effect doubling your chance of seeing a quirk.
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!
I really like the way you talk about it !
This reminds me of the VBIOS issue with 10 series cards and monitors using DisplayPort 1.2 which required an update from Nvidia. It had the same behavior with no output from the BIOS but worked in Windows. Out of curiosity, do you get different behavior if you change the DP mode on the monitor or use different DP ports on the STRIX? Could it be defaulting to a different port even though it’s not active? Or maybe the board just doesn’t recognize it as a video device and is enabling output on the onboard video port instead, even when not connected.
I think this is it. I had this happen with my 980 ti, this exact behaviour, except it only happened when using the monitor with DP. When using another monitor with HDMI it just worked.
This was on an Asus prime z690-p and 12600k. No longer happens when I installed my 3080.
Just weitd stuff
Looks like the issue with certain 30xx cards where nvidia released a tool that would update something in the nvidia vbios. I bet it's the same/similar issue
Wonderful. Thanks for your effort in this issue.
Ive watching jaytwocent since 2013 i think . Good job My friend . 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴
I recently bought an RTX 2080Ti from Zotac. Was able to update its bios without much effort. Their website was pretty clear and informative.
That behavior is consistent with the card being detected as secondary... maybe disabling the IGP instead of leaving it on Auto could make it work as intended.
This is a known fix for cases like this. I’ve had to do it on older builds that have on board graphics.
Well one trick you can try is taping up the PCI-E pins B5 and B6, for some strange interactions such as memory related weirdness can be resolved on some PCI-E devices by obscuring these pins.
This is especially true for server hardware like HBAs, RAID Controllers and the like where the SMBus is used for other types of communication, for an example there are instances of a whole bank of memory disappearing due to this SMBus, and once you taped them (Deny electrical conductivity) or removed the card, the missing memory channel came back.
Random question. Have you tryed a different display port on the card??? love the content
The 6950xt proved to me that amd will definitely have something competitive and I can’t wait to see what they do.
I gotta say I feel a bit personally attack for wanting to run a 4090 on a i7 6700K. I am currently running a 980ti with 6700k 😅
Good sleuth work Jay. What are you running Linux? I'd be livid with a card this expensive not working out of the box without an actual physical defect. I'm kinda glad I don't have enough money for this card anyhow. Enough rich boys, cc's etc will report and the bugs will get worked out until the prices on these cards come down to where I'll spend a reasonable amount of money for a gpu. Good work again stumbling?... and trying to get this beast to work. 🙂
2 Questions. 1. Would you prefer them to start with the lower end cards (4050, 4060) first? 2. Would you prefer them scale the cost to the card or the card to the cost?
Great video keep up the good work.
as someone now used to 5-7 seconds windows start up time, this feels like forever
ASRock mobos are notorious for booting without showing the UEFI splash screen at boot. They have an app, Boot to UEFI, for this reason that will boot you straight to the UEFI. Also make sure CSM is disabled because some new GPUs will not give a screen with it enabled at all. Usually restarting a few times on an ASRock board will make it show the splash screen so you can enter UEFI. They also have an option in the UEFI to hold power for x number of seconds to boot straight in to UEFI.
Hey guys i am a long time follower. i really love your honest reviews. i even built my first PC after watching your video, but my gpu was fried due 2 over draw. luckly rest was fine just gpu over over taxed from old power supply.
My 4090 on X570 absolutely rips. Loves the 5800x3d that's feeding it.
I had this issue before with Nvidia cards. Sometimes if you just boot off the motherboard display and then shutdown, you can switch back to the GPU and it will work. For some reason booting windows can kind of reset stuff and get the motherboard in clean slate. I think it's something to do with uefi bios glitching up.
if we have such comprehensive memory training on this generation could one of the manufacturers extend that out to a bios function for all timings? automatic memory overclocking would be real nice
My basic response to that is... do you want to wait 2 hours for a memory test each time the timings are changed? Cause that's basically what you'd have to do each time you adjust the memory.
I personally think it's better off to have to manually set the xmp/docp profile. This whole new expo thing is just going to cause more headaches.
@@ardeof "extend that out to a bios function" so no it wouldn't be 2 hours every time just when you want to spend the time
My Strix 4090 OC is running without any problems on my Intel platform.
My 10900K is a little outdated but it's working great.
Hi, I've been watching your contents a lot and it really help me understand more about my pc build. I'm currently using i7 7700k CPU with rtx 2060. Now I'm planning to buy 3070ti. And I only use this to play black desert online. Do you think this will bottleneck?
I recently bought a 3070 EVGA and the first thing X1 did was telling me there was a vBios update and applied it. It's such a great card.
God, I will miss EVGA. Hopefully they come to their damn senses and become the #1 AMD AIB overnight
I got a EVGA 3070 too and it’s great
@@brokawmike nah bruh. they gonna be the b or c series architecture intel card champs. watch.
Try using a different displayport on the GPU, I've found that some configurations will define one of them as the "main" display output and you'll get strange behaviour when a different output is used.
I had a similar issue, but in reverse, with a EVGA motherboard and a much older, not newer version video card. It was a motherboard BIOS issue. On boot the board did not recognize the video card even though fans spun up and all of that, no picture out. Reverting the BIOS to an earlier version resolved the issue. The debug code stopped on a code indicating the board was attempting to initialize the onboard graphics on the CPU, but it was a Ryzen 5000 CPU with no onboard graphics. It never reached a point where it would load Windows.
Just booted up my new system today, 7700X Strix X670E-A, Strix 4090. Used the same drives/W10 install from my last PC, just needed a wifi driver, good to go. Feels like I haven't skipped a beat.
Oh no worries..... the VAST MAJORITY of us do not have budget for such things.
Look at us we have the latest cards.OOOOh you poor peasants cant afford one ,but we can!Makes me sick.
I highly disagree
THIS !!!
Unfortunately, waaay too many 'tech channels' are 'funded' by Nvidia. Linus/LTT and here being prime examples !!!
My old card still plays games... if I want more realistic, I go OUTSIDE
@@gazzertrn I've already started mocking People who don't have a 4090. That's part of the (harmless) fun lol. The stuff I'm ging to say and do in the first 2 weeks might get me temp bans on Steam and Reddit. But it's all in good fun. In about 3 weeks I will have calmed down and just enjoy the games:) I have to pop my sh*t 1st though lol
Seems to me like GPU is not able to talk to motherboard's UEFI properly which in turn leads to motherboard to think there is new HW every time which triggers it's HW discovery routines including doing memory training again (something is wrong here, don't know what so let's check everything). I wonder how it would behave if the system was switched to legacy boot mode (if possible).
Also saw similar behavior in server space some time ago; when there was a lot of system memory and GPU memory result was some of the devices were not working within OS due to motherboard resources not being distributed/assigned properly. Updating system ROM usually fixed that or temporarily disabling or re-seating some of the devices could be used as a workaround.
5:00 perfect timing jay.
Just a year or so into a 3080TI build, no plans to upgrade until probably 6xxx at this point, been on the 1440p train for 7 years or better now and with 4xxx series it looks like it will finally be viable to upgrade my screens to 4k.
My rig does the same thing with any GPU I've tried, but *only* if the onboard graphics are enabled in UEFI.
Hey Jay, this video is very timely for me. Early adopter here with the same card, except I'm seeing the OPPOSITE behavior to what you describe here. I can get BIOS signals just fine, it's when Windows starts that I lose video signal. It doesn't happen EVERY time, but it happens a lot. It happens when I restart or shut down, and usually I have to cold start the system (disconnect PSU power) to get it come back. Watching the issues you're having makes me think I'm not totally crazy.
For what it's worth, I did a clean Windows 11 install and what I saw was I had zero issues... until I installed the driver. I'm hoping the ASUS sees your video and takes a look, because it really smells like something is off at the VBIOS or drivers here. Happy to collaborate or corroborate any testing or findings you want (and can share system specs if you'd like, but I'm in a 12900K platform).
PS Love the channel!
Congratz on buying unneeded garbage and having early adopter issues...
@@TonyM-zi9rq Aww stay mad buddy!
The crazy thing is the strix lineup is mainly known for wide compatibility. I mean that's the main thing that it's publicized is that it's compatible for a wide variety of components above anything else... 🤔🤔🤔
Yeah about to build a system for my wife... going to stay with the 3000 series like my own for now.
I don't even want a 40 series card because I got a 3080ti about a year ago which is more than enough for my 4k gaming but I still love watching videos about the newest technology. The only regret was I was too impatient to wait and I bought MSI card for $1700 on Newegg...that wasn't a marketplace card either, that was MSRP at the time!
I bought my 3080ti literally 90 days before the prices crashed and I am kicking myself. The 3080TI for me is still too slow at 1440p as I am poiled with 144hz/144 fps gaming monitors OMG if you never played like that you won't go back. I can't go to 4K for this reason alone until GPUs catch up. I play cyberpunk
@@timothygibney159 you only play cyberpunk? And you base you performance on that game. The 5090ti might be able to do native 1440p. I just run no rt high/medium 1440p on a 6800xt and average 100-120
Pretty happy with my 3080ti, I wasn't planning to upgrade from a 2080, but when I saw a 3080ti (one with a cool built-in display at that) for just under $900, I had to get it, very happy with it.
Got a 3090 last week. Its half the price of 4090 here right now and also 4090 is a lot more expensive than 3090 was at release. I hope my 3090 will survive until 60 series cards or longer. 8 years ago I bought a medium spec pc with some high end components for the price of a 4090 today. Its insane.
@@timothygibney159 I can play just about any game on my PC 4k @ 60-120 fps unless it's something insane like Doom Eternal which is like 180 fps. I got the MSI gaming x trio with an 11th generation Intel chip.
The Asus Strix 4090 may have an available v-bios update, but to get it , you need to be running the manufacturer-specific software. Similar to how EVGA's (Precision X) software only works on EVGA-branded cards. Gigabyte (AORUS_ENGINE) & Sapphire (TRIXX) also have similar v-bios update features for their own specific brand of video cards. It's also likely that other GPU brands include support for v-bios updates, such as Zotac, MSI, Asrock, XFX, etc.
How do you update Vbios on the Nvidia cards
@@Hexxagone850 their specific software as he just said. EVGA needed precision X. I believe ASUS needs Armory crate.
@@SSoul0 I have the founders edition 3080ti
I just love your $2k RXT shoe boxes!
@5:27 "We went to the vice manager..." I chuckled a little
I remember this (no BIOS showing with DP output) being a problem with Maxwell and it needing a firmware update.
my 3080 did this.
@@Saiku How did you fix it
@@Hexxagone850 I had to use hdmi to boot into bios and then I had to manually change pcie settings from automatic to Gen3. Automatic and Gen4 were not working. You could try manually setting it in your bios to different Gen settings and see if any of them work. Could have also just been lucky or a problem with my mobo. Dunno, but its been working for 6+ months now.
Thank god for these videos. It’s making my build planning go smoother. I almost always avoid first wave cards because of potential bugs (2000 series I’m looking at you).
Yeah when new tech is implemented the people that buy into the first gen of it are genii pigs. I skipped the 20s and 30s.
@@darkfox2401 I bought a second wave 2080 ti lightning card and it bricked in the first month. That was a frustratingly important lesson.
you can buy a rtx 4000 series just lets windows open free whitout screen and the screen gonna appear after sometime alone my bro xD its doing the same on new rtx 3050 3060 370 80 90 ti ect when you build new build windows need to start to post image why dont know but its working always at now
@@darkfox2401 "genii"
LOL
My rtx2060 8gb oc does the job nicely
Would be interesting to use DDU and see if it will go back to windows not recognizing it.
Also, hitting a couple benchmarks to see where the card is landing score wise and see if that jumps up on a different configuration/with a new Vbios.
Thank you so much for this. Was about to return my GPU for being broken. Turns out it was a bios issue.
Hit the nail on the head, My main system is in fact a delidded 6700K and I will be putting a 4090 in there unless I end up getting my 7950X before the 4090 (stock issues). For gaming it would be a complete waste but for rendering applications it should be unaffected by the CPU. (iray specifically)
I feel like a quadro would probs be better then.
Or just 2 3090s cos of how cheap they are, at a store near me there's a 3090 with 2 years warranty for £700 and that's after tax
@@mryellow6918 but I do game as well, so all in all the 4090 will be better.
I like seeing other people also have problems like this. Even the pros run into weird errors.
pro is a very over rated word
@@dropsey3007 professional. As in they get paid to sit around and do it all day every day. Unlike me doing this at most a few times a year.
I know I might not get a response but, I love watching your videos!!!! I've learned a lot from watching u!!!! Keep up the good work bro!!!! One day my PC will be like one of your builds!!! Let us part to the p.c god for price drop!!!
Have you tried manually setting PCIE bus speed yet(GEN3-4?)maybe Smart access type of error? Love your videos and Expertise
have you thought about maybe trying the see if you get a splashscreen while using HDMI on the graphics card? I have a friend who bought a 1060 and paired it with a 5800x while he was waiting for prices to drop and we got no image with DP. Then, HDMI worked perfectly and we installed drivers. Only then would DP work, but only in Windows and not the bios or start up screen.
No other GPU series has made me bring out the popcorn as much as this one..
You gonna be as thick as that card if you dont stop.
I'm sorry, but im beginning to think you've only been following GPU launches for a few months because the entire launch of the 30-series was a massive sh*t-show from start to end with people raging at every card launch.
@@wolfshanze5980 Due to shortages and the needs to keep the kids in school, I couldn't think about the 3000 series launch. So this is being a very bizarre launch. However, this show wait until the motherboard bios is updated. Do not buy a motherboard/card within 60 days of launch. :(
I thought those days were gone.
@@External2737 I think it most probably does this only on AsRock....
Not sure why, as there hasn't really been many REAL issues
"Nobody will ever have thought of that combo" is going to become my lived experience when my 4090 arrives because it's going in a first gen Threadripper 1900x system. I expect smoke, and for leprechauns to come out and mock me.
I believe there is a update for this if not mistaken. Varies manufactures released a BIOS update recently stating stability related issues with RTX 4xxx series.
Speaking of early adopter issues, the 4090 and Varjo Aero combo is currently causing severe stuttering in what seems to be most if not all titles. Still not determined if it's an Nvidia or a Varjo issue
Me too, this is converted my 4090 into an expensive paperweight.. going back to my 3080ti until it's fixed.
No acknowledgement from Nvidia yet.
Same here, stutters make games/sims unplayable. Hoping this will get fixed soon!
Same here! Varjo + 4090 = stutters everywhere. Virtual desktop, games, sims... Please, fix it!
You made a great point about voting with your wallet Jay, I just got a second hand 3070 TUF for 415$USD. I just dont see 40series as being worth it for what I need.
yea same, just got a 3060ti so i am good, no 40 series for me, or maybe not even 50
A second hand 3070 for 415$???? Doesnt seem like u vote with your wallet.
got lucky with 3080 at release day and it is not worth to go for 4000 series for that price. Probably will skip 5000 too
@@emanemanresuresu not an amazing deal but the money sure isn’t going to nvidia
@@Black_Knight_ Thats a pretty poor deal, I just sold my 3080 Ti for 480$ after upgrading to the 4090
OMG THANKS SO SO MUCH THIS HELPED!!!
I had the same issue with AMD 5000 and 3080 back when they were first released. I had to update NVIDIA Graphics Firmware. Before doing that, unplugging and plugging HDMI would also work sporadically. If GPU was not detected, you could not have booted into Windows, BIOS would have returned a GPU error code, there's no other way around. It has to do with display firmware.
There won’t be any in stock anyway so it doesn’t really matter. Really thinking about going AMD this go round. The 6900 is looking nice and price has dropped a lot.
In other words not buying a card this gen at all.
I have an XFX 6900xt and am very happy with it.
@@Banditt42 I have a 3080ti and wish i sent that payment toward a 6900xt instead. AMD is in my reticle for the future
I just got a 6800xt at $600, its way faster than I thought it was going to be. I saw asus tuff 6900 was at $700. If you have an amd CPU the smart access memory really boosts performance as well.
It hasn't dropped in the UK. 900 quid grrr
We're gonna be missing EVGA a little bit more every time an issue with an Nvidia GPU happens !
@@_Clivey I know, it's just the EVGA is brought to mind because of the title and general news surrounding Nvidia, I know the issue is not in the GPU itself.
@JayTwoCents - I am one of the man you talk about at min 13:49 - but I have 8700k 5.1 all cores and have 4090 FE - I had a bit of a wait first time of booting 1-2 min but then worked just fine.
New generation of computing hardware means lots of bios and driver fix's but it will be awesome after all the updates
Just "fixed it" and it's time for a new gen.... 🤣
I’m waiting for AMD. Don’t want to pay all that money for a 4090… I did that in 2020 for an EVGA 3090. That card is still kicking!
The last generation of Strix cards were so nice aesthetically. The new ones just look like big blocky legos.
For real. My Strix 3090 looks way better.
All the 4090 cards are super basic, to try and save a few bucks. Probably another reason EVGA got out.
I love the design of my Strix RTX 3070. And it's white as well, so it fits nicely with my build.
that strix is ENORMOUS holy hell
We had 100 people in line at the Detroit Micro Center for the 4090 launch. Sold all 200 cards by noon.
This is why I wait for a couple of months until they solve the bios issues etc. So I will wait until next February for my 7600X upgrades. :)
The word “couple” means TWO. No more or less. So if you waited a couple months then that would be December.
You meant to say a FEW months. The word FEW means 3-4 months. THAT would take you to your February date.
The more information released about the 4000 series, the happier I am I jumped on the 3000 series while the prices have dropped.
You should pretty much always buy previous gen when new gen launches. It’s less about price but more about the platform being mostly issue free.
You always have those early adopter issues. The 30 series had them as well.
Congrats. You did EXACTLY what Nvidia wanted. Happy you got a 30 series card though.
Well, with my almost 2000USD 3090 at the time still working fantastic I'm definitely not rushing on the 4090 boat actually aiming for the 4080 16GB as I never had any practical use of the 24GB onboard the 3090 or what ever AMD comes out with then I going to decide what to upgrade to .
I agree, this is likely a VBIOS issue. It is behaving similarly to unsupported video cards on Mac Pros. Once the OS initializes, you can use them, but during boot you don't get the splash screen nor do you have access to the Boot Options. Flashing the VBIOS can fix it, if there is a compatible one available, otherwise, you have to keep the original GPU for use when you need to diagnose issues.
Its not crazy to believe that a lot of people will attempt to use a 4080/4090 gpu on an i7 6700k since replacing a motherboard and cpu is a much more involved process than upgrading gpu. I'm still using an i7 6700k, but upgraded my 1070 gpu to a 3080 last year. I know I have to upgrade my motherboard and cpu eventually, but I honestly don't see the need yet since most games run absolutely beautifully still. I guarantee that there are other people in the same predicament that don't feel like getting a new motherboard/cpu when most of what they play runs great despite bottlenecks.
I was still using a 2500K as recently as 2020.
I’m in the “y’all are waiting for AMD” group. Unless AMD is a complete fail here, I might pick up their flagship GPU after early adopter woes get sorted. I’m not sure I’d even want an Nvidia GPU this time around, and I’m not sure the thing would even fit in my standard ATX case.
There's also a good chance you'll need a new PSU too. I'm hoping if nothing else, the new AMD cards are less thirsty.
I really think that along with the msrp gouging, Nvidia burned a lot of goodwill with the high-end enthusiast market after the 3090 ti launch this year. Pumping that up and trying to push that on buyers for 2 grand only to have this blow it out of the water at a similarly inflated, but still significantly lower msrp barely 6 months later. Pandering to the crypto market really ends up feasting on their own tail given how hard it'll be to go anywhere but down from those highs.
Along with some of the head-scratching compromises this card has, you can really feel how much Nvidia is just clambering for every scrap of margin they can get rather than try to put out decent value products (and even high-end gear like the 80 tis of yesteryear used to actually be somewhat decent value even if they weren't "value products").
End of the day enthusiasts are gonna enthusiast and there's only so much game in town. But AMD has a good opportunity here to get some serious points from how disillusioned people are becoming with the enthusiast gaming market.
I have an ASRock X670E Steel Legend and there is a new BIOs that helps with RTX 4090 compatibility problems. You'll need the 1.09 BIOs update for your Taichi ASRock motherboard.
@jaytwocents have you experience this issue with older z690s? I have a z690 kingpin that will NOT boot with my 4090, making it essentially a paperweight
I think people have also realized that for 1080p and 1440p (which the majority of us are on) the options that are available like the 20 and 30 series, AMD 6000 series cards are more than good enough to play games at decent frame rates for years to come... 40 series cards are more of a luxury than a necessity when it comes to your everyday gamer.
Most people wouldn't try to get the latest hardware. Steam hardware survey from September still has 10 and 20 series cards as the top results. Even something like 3070 is "luxury" for people who are not accustomed to spend over $2000 on PCs.
Yeah.
I would only go for one of the newer cards, if it was ( of course ) financially sane, and for hardware encoder for my video work i do now and then.
But i aint dropping 1000 USD on a damn GFX card, not even if someone made a damn game worth playing, but all games are boring stuff i cant even be bothered to play a demo off cuz 2 minutes of demo footage video give it all up.
I am not even going to update my other hardware, the 12 core threadripper will do just fine for what i do, and TBH most times i am on my laptop connected to this 32" screen as it is after all using a fraction of the power the threadripper use, and Denmark are just about the most expensive place in the world to buy a KWH
So yeah might get a "OLD" GFX card or a new one and run it on the slower PCI-e slot this motherboard have. but still get good enough performance if someone made a bloody game worth playing.
I am thinking maybe get a better 1440p screen, this one are just a cheapo HDR400 screen.
I _LOVE_ that you said, "something like a 6700k" ... which is what I have (along with a 1080ti). I laughed pretty hard thinking what a silly move that would be ...upgrading to a 4090 and keeping my current CPU.
Oh to have the funds to upgrade all the things. ...to what I'm hoping will be all things great from AMD. Vote with one's wallet, indeed.
Good stuff.
Thing is in reality there is nothing wrong with a 6700k (I still use one for a Truenas box), it's a competent CPU and a 1080ti is good enough for almost any rasterised game. Not buying marketing bs hype has saved you a lot of money.
Having the funds so you can, still doesn't mean you should either. I'm on a 8700k and 1080 and it's enough for me for now. I want to build a new system for the fun of it, but my current system is working well enough for me.
I had the same problem a while ago with an older graphics card. A Strix gtx 970 wouldn't show any image when plugged in to any system until you installed the drivers. After the drivers were installed it worked perfectly fine.
I have the Gigabyte 4090 gaming oc on a 6700k currently and have no issues. Just waiting for the 13th gen Cpu to come out :P
im having all these same issues with my 7950X 4090 Strix x670e-e. Anyone have support threads?
My MSI RTX Gaming Trio is getting black screen in the middle of installing the driver, I have ROG maximus hero z690, Gskill 128GB ram, i9 1200 unlocked, ang 1200w thor PSU, all bios updated, switched win 10 and 11, did DDU, wasted 2 weeks figuring out, always in the middle of driver installation, black screen 😭😭😭
I'm having the same problem Right now. Any fix?
Same exact problem here, 4090 strix oc/7800x3d/Asus Hero Crossfire MB, 32gb ram 6000mhz corsair dominator.
any fix?
@@abdullahal8arniDid you fix it?
Fixed it?
The issue can be fixed in your bios. its the pcie 5 standard thats causing issues. I would switch the pcie port to 4.0 in the bios.
So you did not test on an Asus ROG X670E like you said you wanted to do in the last video? Would have been great to know as some will combo and go all ROG.
I actually don't think it's the price putting people off this, at least not in the way you might think. I think it's more that people are determined to get their money's worth out of the 3070 or 6600XT or whatever they paid way too much for last year. The LAST thing they want is to stay on the upgrade treadmill, they're gonna enjoy what they have hell or high water.
Nope it’s just that it was a paper launch and none are in stock. Only three 4090 founders on eBay in the UK, all at around £3000. Tells me they literally sold a hand full and ran out of stock.
@@starcitizen890j5 In the EU, sure. The two Microcenters had over 100+. The one I went to to pick up my 4090 Strix sold out Day 1. The other location sold out around the 3rd day.
@@SSoul0 And judging by the number of listings on ebay, it would seem that many that bought cards are scalpers, cause they sure as shit aren't retailers.
While others are making videos creating fomo, Jay is keeping it honest. Thank you.
I just know enough about computers to put them together, but sometimes I noticed that with certain graphics cards the frequency and ICQ setting could be off. Another thing is it could be a windows 11 problem, because windows hates unsigned drivers, plus if anything like Windows 10 during updates it would delete any driver that was not signed and boot with a standard one.
Someone from Asrock posted a comment on your last video on what a possible issue is and how to get past it in bios settings. Wondering if you happened to see it. Also other people are saying this issue was fixed in the newest update released 2 days ago. Oct 13th