This Dr. Mario Made Inconsistency Work For Him

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • How did he do it? How did Tsumusuto take one of the game’s worst characters in Super Smash Bros Ultimate and made his way to top 3 at a major tournament? It's not often we see a low tier character make impressive runs such as this one. Let's take a look into how he took advantage of the tools given to him and and used his unique game plan to take down some incredible players!
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Komentáře • 248

  • @micahbarrus8406
    @micahbarrus8406 Před 2 lety +138

    I notice that you said the mii gunner had "intense zoning" while on screen was a mii gunner shooting grenades for a minute straight.

  • @Dafins100
    @Dafins100 Před 2 lety +296

    One of the best videos you’ve ever made. The analogy was incredible and the thoughtfulness and research was amazing. Loved it.

  • @adithahsan752
    @adithahsan752 Před 2 lety +177

    This was a pretty ambitious topic, cool to see the videos evolving

  • @astra1288
    @astra1288 Před 2 lety +362

    I’m not at all a basketball fan but I really appreciate people thinking about smash as a sport, not just an esport. Looking at corrolaries beyond smash can really help further our understandings of smash, especially if we look at competitions that have been around a lot longer than smash.

    • @miwe3719
      @miwe3719 Před 2 lety +28

      It's a competition like other sports, but it's not a sport

    • @gaschum681
      @gaschum681 Před 2 lety +17

      It’s still not a sport.

    • @joshsanchez4531
      @joshsanchez4531 Před 2 lety +1

      its not a sport & esport is garbage. only a normie would say that

    • @gaschum681
      @gaschum681 Před 2 lety +33

      @@joshsanchez4531 no way this dude thought that normie is a good insult, typed it out read it reread it and sent it with full confidence you’d make him feel bad.

    • @deadeyed2454
      @deadeyed2454 Před 2 lety +18

      @@joshsanchez4531 1. You literally use normie as an insult.
      2. You sound more like a normie than he does.

  • @elemangell2981
    @elemangell2981 Před rokem +13

    It's a shame to me that Dr. Mario isn't that good of a character in the games he's been in, because I absolutely love his game feel and design of being a powerful but slow bruiser, yet still retaining default Mario's more jack-of-all-trades qualities. Here's hoping this concept gets revisited in a future smash game or even a new platform fighter in general (Dan Fornace please I'm begging ya).

    • @Yushe_
      @Yushe_ Před 15 dny

      It really is a shame how bad he is in ultimate but at least in melee he is considered a good-decent character.
      I play him a lot and I feel like he's underrated, his projectile is really good and his cape can completely ruin the recoveries of some of the top tiers and most importantly he has such a perfect weight that it makes it hard to combo him and almost impossible to chain grab him.
      If someone pushed him enough I do believe he could be considered a low high tier.

  • @Spyder-Marth
    @Spyder-Marth Před 2 lety +51

    As a good Marth main and Dr. Mario fan, this video and title brings me joy.

  • @Kalimier777
    @Kalimier777 Před 2 lety +53

    Y’all I cannot overstate how much I love your videos! Seriously one of my favourite channels!

  • @andysauro1500
    @andysauro1500 Před 2 lety +23

    More Importantly, 85 characters means you have a greater chance of having the odd bracket run where you encounter more even or favorable matchups and avoid negative ones by sheer volume of the roster size and odds of matching up negatively.

  • @pinaheart_
    @pinaheart_ Před 2 lety +21

    I main Dr Mario and jigglypuff, and it makes me happy to see someone succeed with the doc, he has potential in the right hands

  • @PaperWill
    @PaperWill Před rokem +3

    It's always a bummer that this kind of content feels doomed to lower views than it deserves. So much fantastic commentary, zero filler.

  • @yan_dj
    @yan_dj Před rokem +4

    The 🏀 metaphor about a low tier's "consistent" means losing so inconsistent risks are key made my mind explode with how suddenly and perfectly it made me understand the concept

  • @AshenDemon
    @AshenDemon Před 2 lety +17

    12:50 Such skillful edge guarding. How do I get this good.

    • @greedo194
      @greedo194 Před 2 lety +1

      Play krool, backthrow then press nair

    • @AshenDemon
      @AshenDemon Před 2 lety +8

      @@greedo194 After gaining this knowledge I went on to become the best smash player in my region and now have become so good that I will go on to beat players like Mkleo, Sparg0, Riddles and many more

  • @Spyder-Marth
    @Spyder-Marth Před 2 lety +43

    Hey PGStats. When you get the chance, I recommend making a video focused on Akakikusu. In my opinion, he's the best Hero main in the world. A lot of people think playing Hero is only viable if you're "lucky," but Akakikusu's existence rips that view apart. He's so consistent even without getting crits or using down special. He's just good all around. He doesn't travel outside of Japan much, but that's because of the whole language barrier thing (which probably won't be an issue pretty soon. According to some rumors, Akakikusu is practicing playing Hero in English).

    • @dj_senf6741
      @dj_senf6741 Před 2 lety +6

      I would want him to travel so much, one of the sickest players

  • @DI_IDER
    @DI_IDER Před 2 lety +35

    Finally DOC getting the love and respect he deserves.

    • @williamwest9204
      @williamwest9204 Před 2 lety +4

      That sakurai denied him

    • @tree2992
      @tree2992 Před 2 lety +3

      I feel like the whole point of this video was that Doc doesn't deserve respect. In fact, his only shot at winning is by disrespecting his opponent.

    • @NightRaven5568
      @NightRaven5568 Před 2 lety +3

      @@tree2992 No doc definitely deserves respect as an underdog like every low and bottom tier does

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 Před 2 lety +1

      I do wish he had a better recovery doctor tornado alone makes me prefer him over Mario (I kind of hate flood I know it’s a really good move but I just don’t like using it)

    • @NightRaven5568
      @NightRaven5568 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jmurray1110 Yea me too if he had a better recovery he still will not be good cause he has a bigger flaw but it would make him at least a bit better

  • @eagletime92
    @eagletime92 Před 2 lety +19

    Excellent video. Not sure how many people in the venn diagram of smash and basketball fan this resonated with, but just know I was one of them.

  • @rixrobin
    @rixrobin Před 2 lety +19

    Didn’t learn much about smash but learned a ton about basketball.
    Great video!

  • @Droopyballer
    @Droopyballer Před 2 lety +10

    As a basketball super fan, this made me so unbelievably happy

  • @mamotalemankoe3775
    @mamotalemankoe3775 Před rokem +4

    Very underrated channel. This was a very well researched, well written nicely paced video full of depth and detail with such a cool analogy. Keep them coming.

  • @boiledtoddler
    @boiledtoddler Před 2 lety +4

    I used to be a doc main at my local before I quit the game due to losing 80% of my matches. I’ve been searching for a reason to go back and now I know what I must do

  • @ajregalia1334
    @ajregalia1334 Před 2 lety +2

    THIS WAS INCREDIBLE!!
    The analogies, breakdown of strategy and mindset, comparisons and history of basketball to competitive play, statistics
    Loved this video, more of these please!

  • @jaredo_jpeg
    @jaredo_jpeg Před 2 lety +6

    This…. Is a piece of art wtf. Wow. One of my favorite videos ever wow

  • @shivdmanwii
    @shivdmanwii Před rokem +1

    Loved the detailed analysis on interactions per match, risk vs reward, and exploiting a specific character's weaknesses that make them where they are on the tier list as well as the comparison to our other less balanced smash game where some of th lower tiers simply do not even have good options. It's what a lot of people don't understand about tier lists and what makes a character good or bad

  • @silvesta5027
    @silvesta5027 Před rokem +1

    Maesuma 9 was insane. This was a tournament where a Doc player outplaced Gackt, Ken, Atelier, Kome AND Proto. Japan’s meta is just different

  • @ThePrescriber
    @ThePrescriber Před 2 lety +9

    Doctor Mario is honestly probably the most underrated character in the entire game overall, his tools & his combo strings is very good overall, I'm very happy as a 10 year Doc main to see this stuff covered, as a Doc player I myself have gotten upsets like on BigBoss myself in a Online Tourney, so overall proud of Tsumusuto

    • @Spyder-Marth
      @Spyder-Marth Před 2 lety +3

      He's honestly more underrated than Corrin and Marth ever was in Ultimate. When I first played Doc, I thought "THIS guy is bottom tier?" I thought he was mid tier but nobody believed me. Now that he's actually getting results, people have to actually observe him.
      The same thing happened with post-buff Corrin. Cosmos dropped her very quickly and people thought she sucked, but then Pink Fresh, Ly, Shadic, and MKLeo got the results with her and now people are saying she's high tier (including top players). Apparently this is happening with Marth, too. People thought he was trash because Leo dropped pre-buffed Marth. Marth got buffs, and now Stretch and Ignaize are pulling off some crazy stuff. They haven't won majors yet, but just watching them play makes it undeniable that Marth mains have a LOT of potential. They get better and better as time goes and have good records against several top players. Ignaize actually beat Skyjay a few times in bracket.

    • @ThePrescriber
      @ThePrescriber Před 2 lety +1

      @@Spyder-Marth For sure, To me in all honesty Tier lists don't determine how I play this character, I for one have competed & consistently gotten Top 4's as Doc, he's someone that people who come across & say "This will be free" then opposite of their expectation, I'm happy to know you as well you feel the same way for sure my friend 🦾

    • @Spyder-Marth
      @Spyder-Marth Před 2 lety

      @@ThePrescriber Once again, I agree! Great minds think alike 😉.

    • @drcreed6320
      @drcreed6320 Před 2 lety

      >online

    • @ThePrescriber
      @ThePrescriber Před 2 lety +1

      @@drcreed6320 Even if it's Online, the average would have a hard time, just cuz it's online it doesn't mean it has any value, it does especially for improving in general

  • @janswhatsupdoc
    @janswhatsupdoc Před 2 lety +29

    Tsumo and bacon are example of players who simply love paying doc since they’re fun for them.
    Imagine if They played vanilla Mario or fuck it literally any other better char

    • @Spyder-Marth
      @Spyder-Marth Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly. I wish we'd see more of this at top level, but most players are so focused on winning they just main whoever is considered top 15.
      Sparg0 is a great example of a top player who dropped a top 3 chatting for a character he loved, and is still top 2 or 3 in the world. (And before anyone says anything, I do NOT think Cloud is top tier. If he is, he's bottom top tier).

    • @janswhatsupdoc
      @janswhatsupdoc Před 2 lety +1

      @@Spyder-Marth Sparg0 does carry cloud fr at the same time Nairo a tier hore for sleeping on cloud

    • @JonnyCrawford
      @JonnyCrawford Před 2 lety +6

      As much as I'd want to agree with this I think this video kind of emphasizes why Tsumo's playstyle fits doc better and would play better than he ever would be with mario

    • @janswhatsupdoc
      @janswhatsupdoc Před 2 lety

      @@JonnyCrawford fair enough

    • @farafra3763
      @farafra3763 Před 2 lety +6

      Shuton said that Shisshou the Doc player from Kyushuu , goes even against him when they play random characters. that implies that Shisshou has great fundies and is capable of playing multiple characters at a high level in a similar fashion to Zackray or Rizeasu .
      but funny enough , apparently he would only play Doc in tournaments because he simply enjoys the character the most and finds it more satisfying to win with him .

  • @Kiwi-ku1ui
    @Kiwi-ku1ui Před 2 lety +8

    Not a basketball fan but I enjoy when people apply teachings and philosophies to other areas or fields. Really cool analysis

  • @linkonedgell894
    @linkonedgell894 Před 2 lety +2

    It's so strange to me how many nerds still love basketball, for whatever reason it's the main sport that still appeal to us.

  • @scramble7902
    @scramble7902 Před rokem

    Competition is awesome. So cool to compare two things like baskeball and smash bros while having it make so much sense. Great content.

  • @himbochic
    @himbochic Před 2 lety +7

    The scary truth that esports and live sports are conceptually the same

  • @psycular
    @psycular Před 2 lety +3

    such a well made video especially with the basketball analogy and sports strategy comparisons

  • @BadRayy
    @BadRayy Před rokem +1

    Smash, basketball analogy, Warriors, We Believe team, all in the same video?!? Bliss.

  • @tuckisbad
    @tuckisbad Před 2 lety +6

    as a basketball fan im so glad that basketball made it into a smashbros video lol

  • @ericb5328
    @ericb5328 Před 2 lety +1

    Doc has berm my main since melee. It's a difficult life. Things like this are inspiring to see

  • @sejinaldo
    @sejinaldo Před 2 lety +6

    Great video, gives me shades of CoreAGaming, hope to see more of this.

  • @ayar2
    @ayar2 Před 2 lety +1

    I was just here for something to play in the background while working, and left with a history class for some NBA Teams.

  • @cyclo_17
    @cyclo_17 Před rokem

    That slow motion doc f smash is catastrophic everytime 8:52

  • @aaronjayadriano8363
    @aaronjayadriano8363 Před 2 lety +3

    The editing at 8:33 made that the hardest read of all time. So disgusting

  • @Chokken97
    @Chokken97 Před 2 lety +1

    Just wanted to say the slo-mo effects were super cool.

  • @taylorpagani9515
    @taylorpagani9515 Před rokem

    Absolutely incredible video. The sports fan, smash fan, and nerding out over numbers fan in me was excited the entire time. ALSO WAS THAT NBA JAM TOURNAMENT EDITION MUSIC PLAYING?!

  • @sullivanish
    @sullivanish Před 2 lety +2

    Doc isn't even like a bottom bottom character imo he honestly is just worse wolf which isn't bad and a projectile that combos. His recovery still shit tho but his neutral and advantage is surprisingly good

    • @sullivanish
      @sullivanish Před 2 lety +1

      Maybe not good for his advantage but he gets decent damage from each combo and they aren't intensely hard or anything

  • @roboticus9518
    @roboticus9518 Před rokem +1

    Really interesting video. Lessons to be learned here even for beyond smash.

  • @ultinat
    @ultinat Před 2 lety +1

    I love how l4st basically just wanted to talk about basketball in this video 🤣

  • @Brumy-os4tx
    @Brumy-os4tx Před 2 lety +2

    Hands down best video from y’all, and your videos are always really good. Thanks for the great smash analysis, for such a small team you guys are godlike 👍🏼

  • @deyanmatos567
    @deyanmatos567 Před 2 lety +1

    As a basketball fan myself, I had never imagined such an amazing video, great analogy, such an interesting topic. Thanks for this great work you've been doing.

  • @geekey3441
    @geekey3441 Před 2 lety +2

    i find it very funny that basketball was put into this. but i respect it

  • @dxcSOUL
    @dxcSOUL Před rokem

    This is literally next level analysis. This type of work brings eSports closer to being considered actual sports. Bravo 👏

  • @jessie1078
    @jessie1078 Před 2 lety +1

    Holy shit, never thought I'd see sports analytics used to talk about smash. This rules, thank you for the fantastic vid

  • @conloon1077
    @conloon1077 Před 2 lety +1

    Came here to learn about smash, ended up learning that I like basketball a lot

  • @gibbous00
    @gibbous00 Před 2 lety

    Oh my God the Jazz reference… I’m such a basketball guy and I’m addicted to smash. The worlds I nerd in have finally collided. This is amazing. Thank you for this

  • @lasershow2626
    @lasershow2626 Před 2 lety

    I love the variety of all these videos, and they are so well done. I also really enjoy seeing about strange characters doing well and analyzing why is really interesting.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 Před 2 lety

    Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading! I love seeing how the intricate moves the players made are explained, as opposed to just being told that they're skillful!

  • @theBestInvertebrate
    @theBestInvertebrate Před 2 lety

    Man, this was a really good video, I rather liked how it took a general concept not specific to smash then applied it in a way that explains smash and in turn the concept. I would love to see more like this.

  • @toniv4903
    @toniv4903 Před rokem +1

    Doc is one of the funnest and most hype characters to play and watch! Mii Gunner on the other hand feels like fighting cancer…

  • @IAteMySink
    @IAteMySink Před rokem

    8:43 This feels like a Sherlock Holmes fight

  • @LelanWellz
    @LelanWellz Před 2 lety +2

    Absolutely loved the basketball reference

  • @Diembee
    @Diembee Před 2 lety

    This is a really interesting look at this, as a (kind of) low tier main myself in Icies, my answer for top tiers has always been to play the safest defensive option and try to win a war of attrition, hoping my opponent becomes impatient enough to make a bad move. I guess I’ll get back to the lab and see what kind of trickier setups I could get away with in those seemingly unwinnable matchups.

  • @prestonsasaki
    @prestonsasaki Před 2 lety

    The comparisons from Smash to professional basketball were so smart. Playing around inconsistency isn't something that a lot of people talk about, and it's such an interesting topic to think about

  • @nile1790
    @nile1790 Před rokem

    Being a basketball fan honestly I was surprised and really impressed with the analogy. I’d love to see more analogies like that if possible

  • @ThirtyfourEC
    @ThirtyfourEC Před 2 lety +2

    Never thought I'd see Rob ballin

  • @macmatt72
    @macmatt72 Před 2 lety +1

    Very well-made thesis! Respect to the ambitious idea

  • @AshenDemon
    @AshenDemon Před 2 lety +1

    0:05 I swear to god that describes Ultimate so well. Fighter Pass 2 Specifically dominates this games meta.

  • @amphicyon4359
    @amphicyon4359 Před 2 lety

    Wow, this vide was really in depth. Nice work!

  • @ExpandDong420
    @ExpandDong420 Před rokem

    I was not expecting to hear this much about basketball in a smash video but here I am

  • @rafaelbordoni516
    @rafaelbordoni516 Před rokem +1

    My heart broke for that DK.

  • @Spiderdridri
    @Spiderdridri Před 2 lety +11

    the amount of work put into these videos makes me literally speechless. incredible job!

  • @Kowjja
    @Kowjja Před rokem

    Shoutout to the editor
    Great work to everyone

  • @josezuluaga5180
    @josezuluaga5180 Před 2 lety +1

    Holy shit man what an awesome video. Great analogy, explanation and story telling! Thank for the break down

  • @joaquinvillasenor4818
    @joaquinvillasenor4818 Před 2 lety +1

    I am a basketball fan and absolutely loved this video. Thank you!

  • @alsager777
    @alsager777 Před 2 lety

    With all due respect but Comona's narration is on another level.

  • @private5022
    @private5022 Před 2 lety +2

    This deserves more views

  • @ScoobyShooby
    @ScoobyShooby Před rokem

    do more of these for melee. If you like breaking these down, you'll have more longevity doing it for melee as there's more intricacy and less of a chance of the game dying so soon.

  • @marsieg8394
    @marsieg8394 Před 2 lety

    Yooo this just came out and then Franz the melee dr.mario player just placed pretty high in a tournament that included a couple big names (Fiction, S2J)
    Good timing smash is sick

  • @eugenebergeron
    @eugenebergeron Před 2 lety

    I just leave a comment for the algorithm, because this video is extraordinarily well done and super interesting. Incredible quality and very relevant analogy and researchs

  • @christianrodriguez-lm3qm

    never thought i would see a basketball reference. but im glad you guys did !

  • @ohlsumr
    @ohlsumr Před 2 lety +3

    Need a PGSports page tbh

  • @beszt95
    @beszt95 Před rokem

    made me want to actually play ult for once, really nice vid!

  • @cameronl1859
    @cameronl1859 Před rokem

    The basketball analogy doesn't really work. The 2007 Warriors weren't using a "risky and inconsistent" strategy - they were using the ideal strategy. They were just the first team to realize that 3 pointers from accurate shooters result in a higher average point per possession than the easier 2 point shot. Nowadays, most every team attempts more 3s than the average in 2007. If it was a strategy for underdogs, you wouldn't see the top teams use it so often.

  • @Elix_Seven
    @Elix_Seven Před rokem

    Great video! Thoroughly enjoyed it!

  • @georgewashington3505
    @georgewashington3505 Před 2 lety

    Only thing I thought this whole video was…
    “this guy is getting a subscription and a bell”

  • @Nards_1997
    @Nards_1997 Před 2 lety

    12:50 looks like a typical match on Elite Smash

  • @HoshiArt
    @HoshiArt Před 2 lety +1

    “Cleared 5 out of 15 socks”

  • @javierkiman8302
    @javierkiman8302 Před rokem

    Mario is a wonderful and greater fighter. Tweaks to characters, that made Mario seem weaker. Mario has the right strokes and right range.

  • @garjopogi1044
    @garjopogi1044 Před 2 lety

    Woah my love for basketball and smash have come together? Dream video.

  • @MattDustyParker
    @MattDustyParker Před rokem

    Good video. Appreciate the math and the analogy

  • @Tlanesi
    @Tlanesi Před 2 lety

    You forgot Jazar's Run at Wizard's Fest.

  • @hamburgler1811
    @hamburgler1811 Před 2 lety

    this video made me appreciate smash as a game, what a fantastic thing

  • @lobanaoz7863
    @lobanaoz7863 Před 2 lety

    I was listening to this in the background slightly unfocused, then i heard Michael Jordan was a Steve player and had to rewind

  • @aaronarroyo403
    @aaronarroyo403 Před 2 lety +1

    This is God like production quality

  • @quinn7427
    @quinn7427 Před rokem

    Basketball talk just goes in one ear out the other lol...

  • @DrunkPanda239
    @DrunkPanda239 Před 2 lety

    12:45 classic mii gunner

  • @MilfSlayr
    @MilfSlayr Před 2 lety

    This feels like a core-a-gaming video

  • @rrpsaihara
    @rrpsaihara Před 2 lety +1

    12:40 omg why.

  • @JNKSmash
    @JNKSmash Před 2 lety

    12:39 the Sans easteregg tho?! 👀

  • @EliTheGleason
    @EliTheGleason Před rokem

    I would pay so much money for a couple more ultimate patches
    Let me see doc fly

  • @dougsauce8004
    @dougsauce8004 Před 2 lety

    Make all your content like this PLEASEE

  • @michaelrichardson5483
    @michaelrichardson5483 Před 2 lety

    Damn this guy makes bacons 17th at pound look bad

  • @jrs2392
    @jrs2392 Před 2 lety

    As a huge basketball fan I loved this video

  • @farafra3763
    @farafra3763 Před 2 lety

    love these vids . I appreciate the effort !

  • @jiaan100
    @jiaan100 Před rokem

    so openings means winning neutral? I thought it would mean round starts

  • @xxvolcomxx56
    @xxvolcomxx56 Před 2 lety

    this guy is seriously goated. such an analytical mind