Negro Leagues Stats to be Officially Incorporated into MLB Historical Records | THE ODD COUPLE
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- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker react to a groundbreaking move by MLB, who will now incorporate Negro League statistics into their historical records.
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Now the nba need to do the same with the ABA
wait, those stats arent included in the nba?
@@stingrey1571 I thought it was they always combine Dr J Mosses Malone George Gervin Aba NBA Stats together
Why 😂
@@stingrey1571 nah it's not that's why dr j numbers are lowered and he's not apart of the 30k club even though he has scored over 30k points if you add both the aba and nba
Bruh, we done with the 70s.
🎉 The best Dominican hitter ever,Tetelo Vargas.had a 339 hitting average during 9 seasons in the Negro Leagues.
Estadio tetelo vargas en san pedro de macoris.
i could listen to rob talking baseball all day
Same here
I have so much respect for Rob's baseball knowledge I said that I would agree with him before I even listened to this video.
Hell yeah
That cornball brother
@@user-tt1hx2nm4p But that was not baseball. I disagreed with him referring to RGlll as that.
I got to see Hank Aaron play vs my Dodgers in 1974 at Blue Heaven on Earth. It took me a while to understand how fortunate I was as a 4 year old. I thank my dad for taking me to see a historic figure in the game.
I'm very happy that MLB did the right thing for once.
just imagine going to see a negro league game because Hank Aaron wasn't the best player. look up "Cool Papa Bell"
And Charlie Chino Smith
Of course y'all are one of the only ones to cover this. Salute to Chris & Rob. ✊🏽
Undisputed also covered it today, but I can think of anyone else lol.
@chubbcurry30 u still watch undisputed?
Greeny covered it too
That is what is sad. This should be on the A block of every sports show in America. Well said!!
Several shows on ESPN & foxsports did segment on it
True story. My father met Jackie Robinson and Roy Campanella at a NYC boys club in 1953. He said Mr. Robinson was not nice and very standoffish. So he asked Roy Campanella, "What's wrong with Mr. Robinson"? Campanella said, "Jackie is under a lot of stress and sometimes he won't talk to people." "He'll be alright." My father is 91.
What's your point
@@sidneyhill7064 Same point of MLB's new idea. There isn't one.
My Grandfather claims Roy Campanella taught him to catch and he used to play ball on the same beaches as Jackie Robinson as a kid.
choward5430:. Thanks for telling that. I think the point was letting us know how stressed out Jackie Robinson was. At that point he has less than twenty years of his life left. His wife is still alive to this day. Rachel Robinson will be 102 years old in less than two months.
Black people in general were under stress. Why do you think so many black families left the south including mine. Stress is an understatement. Unfortunately anti black racism is everywhere. There’s no escaping it
The NFL added the AFL stats so I have no idea what took the MLB so long to do this. Now the NBA needs to add the ABA stats
This is why I love this show. Not afraid to speak out on topics like these. Love it.
Crazy how recent some of these things were in such a huge sport
I could hear the cross burnings on Twitter and IG when it came to this topic 😂
The American way...
The only pushback I have is that there has been of ton of research into negro leagues statistics. The results say that they were very inaccurate. The research says negro league’s statistics are only 75% complete. My point is that it’s impossible to know for sure what these players accomplished. Many writers who tried to write books about these players even admitted that they had to rely a lot on the stories people told because of the lack of statistical data.
Correct. They are filling in holes with fictional stats. That's lying about history, not legitimizing it.
I agree, they shouldn't be changing the records
Hey guys do the rest of us a favor x GET....OVER IT
Hey Shock nobody is pissed about it. I can give 2 sh*TS about who is leading what in the MLB record books. However, since this is a public forum, I am stating my opinion the same as you.
Cant the same be said for any game not on film to be rewatched? Not saying thats the best reasoning point but was wondering your perspective.
Smokey Joe Williams never faced Walter Johnson.
During Segregation:
The best didn't face the best...
The only sports show I seen that talked about this. I love it
They are famous for bad takes.
@@greggibson33this is American history
Damn Rob’s glasses big as hell 😂😂
I love this! It’s true progress! Thank goodness I’m alive to see it!
My oldest brother was the only person in the fam who liked baseball. But Rob parker makes it interesting to listen to baseball i fo
I LOVE this Show. Outstanding
I agree with everything you guys say I think they should be mentioned. The only problem I have is I think it’s easier to hit 370 and 69 games then to hit 367 and 154.
You would be correct. That's why they have a minimum at-bat requirement when qualifying for categories with averages (batting, slugging, OPS, etc.)
Man, Satchel used to pitch back to back to back full game one day after the next. Pitch in the MLB in his 50s
I agree, I first thought this was great but I'm having reservations. I'm not against the Negro Leagues at all, I just don't understand how the stats from that league can be incorporated into the MLB stats. Gibson played 80% less games than Ty Cobb. For arguments sake, let's say both leagues were equal in terms of skill. I think Gibson played way less games to hold the title for highest career average. What is the standard? I think it muddies the record books...
Thank you MLB. GREAT DAY FOR NEGRO LEAGUES ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!
This is good. “Bear fruit worthy of repentance.” Better than just acknowledging a wrong is to do something to rectify it.
Black players were were told they couldn't play MLB. The Negro Leagues were formed, the talent base was absolutely phenomenal, MLB had to cash in on the black talent. Same thing thing Bear Bryant had to do at Alabama!
Correct
Fine. Still no reason to artificially combine stats from 2 separate leagues. It's a dumb idea for any sport.
@@greggibson33 Reread what OP said, there weren't allow not there were not talented. What do you think those stats would be if those same talented players were in MLB? Look at Jackie and most say he was closer to the average rather than a top black MLB player.
@@enigma13ffRight why should they get penalize for something they had no control over...If blacks were allowed to play back then u can guarantee the record book will look alot different...
@@enigma13ffas they said Jackie Robinson wasn’t any where near the best player in the NLs. He was the most acceptable to whites
Josh Gibson is now listed as MLB's new all time career leader in batting average at .372, moving ahead of Ty Cobb at .367. The MLB website shows Gibson also overtaking Babe Ruth in career slugging percentage. 💯
He isn't on baseball-reference. That site requires 3000 PA's to qualify for career rate stat leaders which Gibson didn't come close to reaching. Other negro league players did make that threshold and made the rankings.
I don’t even really watch baseball but I’m familiar and when I heard the news I just knew you guys would speak on it. Less games or not I’m happy with it. Times and rules change 🤷🏾♂️
This is really cool!!
Major League Baseball recognizes stats from the federal league, Union league and the American association so I don’t wanna hear it.
Modern baseball is considered to start in 1900. When baseball fans talk about baseball records, they always discard stats from players careers that ended before 1900 because the game was so different then. If you ask who holds the record for most wins in a season, Jack Chesbro is the answer with 41 in 1904. He's actually tied for 24th, but no one considers pre-1900 records as comparable to modern baseball.
@@kinggremlin4574 did MLB record the stats of not? Whether fans bring it up or not it doesn’t matter, MLB recognizes those stats.
@@Theycallmekenney Why would they not count if they included future Major League Teams, which 2 out of those 3 leagues did? The one that didn't, the Union League, existed for only one season and is pretty much irrelevant to the history of MLB. I have no issue with the Negro League stats counting, but what teams from the Negro Leagues became Major League teams?
@@kinggremlin4574 If you don't have an issue with negro league stats being included then why are you asking me what negro league TEAMS because Major league teams? now what you're doing is creating an entirely different argument that I never made....but then you make an excuse for the Union Association because it only existed for 1 year, the teams that did not go into the NL still had their stats counted as did the players from the Players' league when it folded....
its not about the teams its about the players and stats being recorded.
Manager Joe Torre once said, the loudest/hardest CRACK he ever heard of a bat hitting a ball was Josh Gibson! Satchel Paige if let in the majors at say the age of 30, would’ve broken all pitching records. Double Duty was THE BEST back catcher IN ALL OF BASEBALL when he played! Facts!
Actually no facts. All opinion.
@@greggibson33 it burns knowing Gibson is now the hit leader over Ruth don’t it. I know, I know, I know, of course you won’t admit it but the fact my comment compelled you to reply with such, let’s me know “your kind”..
@@edupbeat I don't feel burned and it doesn't mean anything about my 'kind.' You have no idea how i think. You LITERALLY stated only opinions and NO facts. Just because you write 'facts' at the end a comment doesn't make it so.
@@greggibson33 dude shuuuuut up! 🤣🤣🤣 you are so triggered by this topic! Your comments are everywhere on this vid. Riddle me this then, how come no one has ever uttered a word when the MLB incorporated other leagues?(the Federal League, The American Association, The American League, The National League. Why all the cry for the negro league?? Now, I want you to thiiiiiiiiink reeeeeal hard before you reply with your nonsense…
@@greggibson33 CZcams blocked my comment but YOU saw it didn’t ya!? Hahahahaha, you Fox News types I can spot a mile away…
What's next little league stats count also
Former Little League players were not kept out of MLB.
Cope 😂🤣
Them ole boys finally gave in 😂
I'm in the minority or on an island but I hate this. It was a separate league and should be viewed as such. This social justice move diminishes true Black American accomplishment and takes away the mystic of what it was. History is ugly, complicated and should remain in this case. Jackie Robinson was not the first Black American in the MLB, he's just the one we focus one, sort of like Rosa Parks was not the first Black American to sit in the front of the bus, manufactured events in both situations.
Jackie Robinson was the first black in MLB after they had run off all the black players in 1884.
@@beaujac311Thank you for the historical content almost no one knows. The racist Cap Anderson started the movement to remove Black players from professional baseball in the late 1800's.
You are not alone just one of the few comments not being deleted, it is a separate league & should be treated as such! No way to know if those players would have hit like that in a different league. You cant just change record holders almost 100 years later & just say hey heres the new batting champion! What if it was reversed & MLB stats were combined & long held records were erased in a instant, there would be public outrage! If Gibson didnt have higher numbers than Cobb & Ruth this would have never happened!
@@patientmental875 The remedy you suggest here was tried and it failed. It is similar to Jim Crow segregation and separate but equal. There wasn't anything equal about Jim Crow. Keeping the Negro League stats separate from the MLB stats people didn't take the Negro League stats seriously. They dismissed those stats. That is why MLB did what they did in this regard.
@@beaujac311, still not the first. He is herald as breaking the color barrier and he didn't. Simple
🙏🏾🍷 Great Show
Love and Blessings to J.Robinson#42, The Negro League and MLB greats.
Only took a 100 years.
It was a different league, why would the MLB have incorporated their stats back then... also, this is dumb because the Negro League players played 50 games a season, 33% of what MLB players played.... so all avgs are of scale.
1 - This is an unnecessary move that is bad for the record books
2 - no, it hasn't "only taken" 100 years.... this has been a possibility maybe for the last 30 years.
@@nephalm5357also to throw this out there…. We live 100 years in the future times have changed and we know that those things were wrong back then.. why on earth are we virtue signaling just to make records “legitimate”
Like you said this does no good at all. Means nothing and is only for the “looks”
Imagine they did this in the 90’s early 00’s I could see the legitimacy of the stats being incorporated….maybe maybe… but to do it now… we all know why they are doing this.. political motivations..
And they still got it wrong.
@@nephalm5357sounds like the nego was better. More stats with less games
This is amazing to give these players the recognition and have their names at the top next to Babe Ruth, but there a bit of a logical pretzel to the semantics of now classifying it all as Major League Baseball in the record books. Does Jackie Robinson now become the 2301st black player to play in the Major Leagues? Are the 1971 Pirates now the 1001st all-black lineup in MLB? I think they should have maybe named this "Combined Major Leagues" and have that as their forefront leaderboard.
That's the think. People say that it was a long time ago, HOMIE!!
It was in the 1950's. Some of those people are still alive.
"My name is Chappie Johnson and I can't open this damn pickle jar"
The problem is the Negro League stats are not 100% accurate, and they played a shorter season so they wouldn’t qualify for alot of these records.
For example, to qualify for any batting average record in MLB, you must have 502 plate appearances. The new single season Batting Average leader is Tetelo Vargus. In 1943 Negro Leagues, he batted .471 but only had 136 Plate Appearances. How can you compare his 136 plate appearances to the MLB single season leader Hugh Duffy who had 616 plate appearances?
I’m fascinated with Negro League stats as fhey should have their own separate category, but should not be integrated with the 100% accurate MLB stats
Exactly. There is absolutely NO logical reason to mix the stats of 2 different leagues. Doesn't matter what sport it is.
More chances to strike but also, more chances to get a hit.... Be honest, if the new stats had the Negro players at the bottom, you wouldn't have a problem
Well then the solution is for Major League Baseball to do the historical research to find all the games that they played. I can assure you they played more games than they are considering. They excluded barnstorming, exhibitions against white teams, winter ball in Latin America and so forth. It's not the negro leagues fault, they were shut out due to racism, it's major league baseball's fault and issue. See this is the problem with Kennesaw M. Landis for keeping baseball segregated. But you have more energy for this decision than him and others who kept baseball segregated?
Who cares what you think get over it bum
@@flame-sky7148 Yep, it's definitely MLB's fault and issue. But combining stats from two different leagues (some invented) seems like the bottom of the totem pole of wise solutions. And just because some think it's a bad idea (which it is) doesn't mean we are Kennesaw M. Landis supporters or you a social warrior. Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea.
I think it's great that they are combining the records and hopefully it will spark more interest from the African American community for baseball. Now, if MLB could get their TV situation worked out, stop putting their games behind a pay wall and having blackouts. So many fans don't get to see the games.
This means that Jackie Robinson was a major leaguer 2 years before he broke major league's color barrier.
😆lol... Let's change history to make people feel better.
Now run them Jerseys.
The only two reasons I think integrating Negro League stats into MLB stats is a bad idea is, the Negro League stars played far fewer games, and the two leagues never competed against each other. They also played in far different atmospheres. You're basically saying an orange should count as an apple.
Im Black and I don't agree with it. They were to separate sports leagues. I could see if the MLB had merged with the Negro Leagues. So should the NBA recognize ABA STATS???
careful they'll call you an uncle tom for saying that. this is definitely pandering to black people and unfortunately all the wokesters/liberal media is going to eat this up as a good thing.
thanks for lettin us know you're black
YES
On NBA Reference they include ABA stats. The Basketball Hall of Fame also include ABA stats
The negro league was superior to MLB
I worked at The Negro League Cafe in Chicago (43rd street & Praire) back in 05.Was the bartender. While working there, I served Double Duty Radcliff, Ernie Banks, Slim Thug (yes, the rapper who’s family was EXTREMELY nice and tipped great), Common & Kanye( they shot “The Corner” video right in front of the restaurant, go back and watch), Robert Townsend and a few others. It was great sense of pride working there (negro league cafe) and like Rob said, wasn’t that long ago considering myself served some of them!
So funny how many ppl sitting here crying
Like it's going to impact their lives.
@@flame-sky7148 Like the ones defending it. Likes it's going to impact their lives.
First off, congratulations to the researchers who did the painstaking work of trying to recreate the stats from old newspaper articles. The box scores back then were incomplete, so they had to impute some of the stats based on educated guesses. I am very happy they have put together statistics to the extent they were recoverable. The faxt they did not keep stats and records is one reason they were not considered an organized major league. I do not think their stats should be recorded with the single season records if they don't meet the minimum requirements for at bats or games, etc. You can't compare a 60-game season to 154-162 game season. Same for lifetime stats. Hitting .350 over 10,000 at bats is much more difficult than doing it over 2,000. For the same reason, pre-1900 stats never counted towards the all-time records. It is a silly and short sighted decision.
So no negro league team kept stats and they made it up is what you’re saying?
It doesn't take a mathematician to convert the stats.😂🤣Cope.
@@SaySpawn Over a lifetime iit does, you have to get hundreds of credible and "non credible" data. It's now just reading a wikipedia page and thats it. You need hard data that you can backup your claims, I would assume some of that data is hard to find in 2024.
@@SaySpawn you don't even understand the argument, you did not address the issue.
Listing the stars of a league doesn't in any way imply the entire league is up to par. When are the NPB stats going to be integrated into MLB stats? Ichiro and Ohtani proved to be elite players at the Major League level, so does that imply NPB as a league is equal in talent to MLB?
Those Japanese players if they’re good enough and they want to play in the MLB (and a team wants them) have the opportunity to do so. Black players prior to 1947 did not, no matter how good they were. Skin color was the excluding factor, not talent level.
@@jdankerdake You're not getting the point. This video and multiple other ones on the topic declare the Negro Leagues equal to the Majors because the stars of the Negro Leagues excelled in the Majors. That on its own doesn't mean much. The stars of NPB excel in the majors as well, but no one is claiming the NPB top to bottom is as talented as the majors. Look at the Majors today. Only 6% is black. The black stars are every bit the equal of the other stars, but the talent pool dries up pretty quickly as you go down the ranks.
It wasn’t the way the ‘world’ or ‘society’ was, it was how the US was. Read what Jackie Robinson and his wife had to say about his time playing in Montreal.
Agreed, and the aba should be the same with the nba because we used to whoop them regularly
So does this mean that Ichiro's stats from Japan will now get recognized in MLB?
IMO we did a major disservice to ourselves merging with MLB/NBA even forcing ourselves upon a group of ppl that didn’t even want us around. Wanting that validation from them is an embarrassing detriment
It's not good we should of stayed independent and not allowed ourselves to be diluted they integrated because they knew we was going to be a problem
That's beautiful 😍. I like the show the most now. Josh Gibson eclipses Ty Cobbs OMG .
So does Hank Aaron get more hr on his total hr count or do players that played in both leagues only get their stats from the MLB?
How can a player who never played in the MLB HAVE STATS. IT JUST makes stats irrelevant.
Good job Baseball 👏👏👏👍🥳
As proud of the Negro league as I am this is absolutely a virtual signal. The problem is there is no way you can authenticate the stats. As great as a player was if you never played in that particular league you shouldn't be in their hall of fame. Just like Fred"the hammer" Williamson is not in the pro football hall of fame. NBA doesn't count
Actually they are scouring the newspaper clippings and historical records to include as much as possible. Many can be verified but you have to find them, but most come from historical newspaper records
You actually can
Bull!
No it isn't. That's cap !
But if you share in that league's hall of fame, then you should share in that leagues record books. Even Ted Williams said they should belong in the hall of fame he was entering into.
Add Canadian Football league stats to NFL 😂. But seriously, imagine if Warren Moon played his entire career in the NFL.
different country
but yeah warren moon won 5 grey cups i think
but the canadian football historically was nowhere near the same level as nfl football
not the case with aba vs nba or negro leagues vs major leagues
now lets put the canadian football league stats in the nfl records. lets pit mls stats in english soccer leagues. why not. if they weren’t in the league, they weren’t in the league. all of these new records are illegitimate. i’m glad it makes people feel good, but it makes all of these records meaningless. it is groundbreaking, but it’s also nonsensical.
It actually does a disservice to the players they're honoring. How can you legitimize something in an illegitimate way?
My thoughts are now you have to do the Dominican ,Japanese and any other pro league in also..
I think it's legitimate, and long overdue
Before I watch the video I got the over on Broussard mentioning lebron at least 1 time 😂
He did not.
I Love It
So how does this affect the HR record? Does it but Hank Aaron back on top?
Nope he's out of the top ten now. Some guy named Skip hit an imaginary 950 based on something which was added to something else and then they just guessed.
@@greggibson33 Really? Lol
An acknowledgement doesn't mean it's " SINCERE "
Euro league and Canadian Football and pre Sb NFL need to be integrated too
It's a good idea, and it's overdue. Nevertheless, it's well deserved. Josh Gibson, Cool Papa Bell, and Satchel Paige were great and elite baseball ⚾️ players.
Spring training stats will also be included. Also Japanese, Korean, Dominican and Puerto Rico leagues also included
Different Countries can't even added
They’ll do anything to avoid a real conversation about reparations.
Long Overdue
REALLY it was a separate league.
Cool story lady
@@wilcee238 Better story, kook.
@@greggibson33 Kook? What a zinger.
Your husband needs to type you some better material.
@@wilcee238 Pure genius.
All you have to do is look at Josh Gibson stats for 1943 is ridiculous
You have no idea if they are legit or not.
@@greggibson33 you can say that about any body in those days
@@aliwilliams9934 That's a false statement and rather obviously so.
@@greggibson33 I didn’t say that they stats should replace mlb records but it’s good to see what they have done thru their careers
@@aliwilliams9934 I got no problem with that.
All due respect, Negro leagues should obviously be recognized but this kind of ridiculous, So can we expect USFL and Canadian league stats to be added to the NFL And what about the Japanese and Korean leagues, Remember the talk of people saying they should call Ichiro the hit king because adding his stats from overseas would put him over Rose? Yeah that was quickly shot down and that's all this is, no one denies the greatness of the Negro league players, We know all the names for a reason but those just aren't MLB numbers, Doesn't make their exclusion back then any less horrible but this just don't feel right as now it might be normal to just start stacking stats from other leagues like Moons from Canada and adding to his NFL stats.
COPE 😂🤣😂🤣
Cope😂
You are acting like black Americans your fellow US brothers and sisters are foreign aliens. Not surprising but kind of weird
Were USFL, Canadian, and Japanese league players excluded from playing in the NFL and MLB because of their skin colors? This isn’t as much about stat aggregation across the leagues of a sport as it it redressing a wrong.
@@jdankerdake Did you see a bunch of Latino and Asian players running around playing for the Cincinnati red stockings and the Cleveland spiders in the 1870's or 1920's? they were every bit as excluded as Blacks as America back then just wasn't a perfect place...or anywhere in the world for that matter. Lets start introducing little league and backyard stats too so benny the jet can get some love.
Chris you and rob coming to bama???
💯 Those brothas deserve to be recognized. Met so many old heads that used to say Josh and Satchel were one of the best that never got accepted by dominant society. Negro League Museum is a must visit in KCMO
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
If they gave it, can’t they take it away?
One day we will stop obsessing about skin color. First black this, first purple that, etc. Maybe 500 or 1000 years from now? Maybe?
No issue with the negro league, but Ty Cobb's record should still stand.
its a stupid idea theyre different leagues and is just placation. At the end of the day this is lole taking Japanese League and saying it counts towards MLB stats.
Were Japanese league players excluded from playing in the MLB because of their skin color? The best Negro league players had the talent to play in the MLB but were denied the opportunity because of their ethnicity. Not the same thing.
ABA stats should be added next
Ruth hit 12 home runs in 16 games versus Negro Leaguers and hit .455. Will this be added. Also 13 home runs in 18 games in Japan. Additional shouldn’t Ichiro get credit for his hits in Japan. Are you going to displace Cobb with over 13000 ABs with Gibson who had less then 2200 ABs. This is stupid and complicated.
Completely unnecessary. Much better ways to give tributes.
@@greggibson33
All involved are truly great players but the point still stands are only negro leaguers going to get credit for their stats and are they going to be given records for playing a tenth of their mlb counterparts.
@@jessec2138 Agree. There are many ways to give tributes to the past. This seems wrongheaded and not even scientific. Seems like some of it just made up. Stats only count if you play each other over an extended time.... this is not that.
12 home runs in 16 games is insane. Was he playing against little leaguers? Just asking.
Agree
They keep doing injustices. The highest batting Average in the Negro League is held by Tetelo Vagas from Dominican Republic. 472-71. Not the 466 ave of Josh Gibson.
The NFL wouldn't never do that....The Browns would have over 7 Championship Titles....
And Green Bay would have 3 Super Bowls in a row.
Rob talking baseball I'm here for it but come on FS1 give him more than 13mins to cook up
Ya and Gibson only had 2300 at bats when Cobb had 11k!
Yeah but Cobb was also a raging racist, so F him
A lot of those old white players would vouch for the skill of the Negro League players. Dizzy Dean always gave Negro League players his respect. He played against a lot of those guys during the off season. They knew those guys could play in MLB if given the chance.
@@beaujac311 For the last time NOBODY is saying that some of the players weren't great. That's why they were elected to the HOF. Jeez.
Ty Cobb was also a flaming ra*ist and a generally horrid person
@@greggibson33 The comment I responded to says differently. He was saying that Gibson didn't have enough at bats to qualify. All I said was that some white players could vouch for how good the black players were because they played against each other. Those guys knew if they were up to standard and many of them were.
This would officially make Josh Gibson the greatest player in MLB history..
Why?
I agree
@@greggibson33you must haven't been paying attention......his stats is doing the talking
@@eddiecampbell9663 His stats are incomplete and sometimes hearsay.
I love this, these men who couldnt play because of a stupid racist rule, they all deserved a shot at the mlb then and now, and i think this is great for the mlb to do, jackie won roy at 28 years old, and if josh gibson was allowed to play in the mlb, we be talking about him as a top 5 player of all time, and jackie was 30 when he won mvp,and 36 when the dodgers won the world series, and made six allstar game and become a hall of fame in the ten years he played.. so yes the mlb needed to do this, and its about dang time,,,
Makes sense to me!
It need to make cents too, if not, it's rubbish.
Does ichiros hits count then from Japan? Stop it!
😂😂😂😂 thank you! Let’s include all baseball leagues now.. since there are plenty of “major leagues”
That's not the same tho
@@uuu817was ichiro intentionally told he couldn't play in the MLB?
@@roybabineaux5353Cool story, bro. You do understand that this doesn't matter in the slightest, right?
He played in another country genius. These black players were denied the chance to play in their own country. A country many of them fought and died for to protect your rights.
Two different leagues , don’t really make sense but if it’s gonna make people feel better I guess it’s ok but is it the same to hit for 300 in 50 games than to hit 300 in 154 games , stop it!
Did MLB kicking black players out of their league in 1884 make sense?
@@beaujac311 If it means you are not gonna feel like a victim anymore then I’m all for it , issue is you won’t because you was born to complain and blame others for your failures , black people in general complain too much and I’m black by the way
Might as well count the NPB stats as well and make Ichiro the all-time hit king.
COPE 😂🤣😂🤣
COPE 😂
MLB is a league in North America, So Stats outside the continent so the MLB will not count those stats.But since MLB did this they will have to add stats from the latin American leagues, Canada leagues and whatever other leagues that's in America...
About time for these great athletes.
Now when will Hollywood make a movie!!!!
This is like authenticating USFL stats from the 80's for official NFL stats these days. Stop the woke BS. Leave as is since they didn't play in MLB.
Yea you are clueless.
MLB DEI moment
So Hank Aaron has like 1,000 home runs.
He only hit a few when he played in the negro league’s. Barry is still the leader
So players that never played MLB get to hold MLB records?
Uh huh...
What are you implying? The negro leagues were created because mlb barred black players
So players that were clearly good enough to be among the best MLB players didn’t get to play in the MLB?
Uh huh…
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They were good enough to play.. However it is NOT the same match ups so the stats can't be compared.. It is a giant ?? in terms of what Gibson and some of those players would have done in MLB. Nobody has any idea.. Maybe they would have been as good as the best of the era like Williams.. Or maybe they would have paled in comparison. We don't know..
@@dbreiden83080and it was Ted Williams ( “greatest hitter that ever lived”), that said they belong in the same hall of fame that he was entering in his speech. So if they belong in the same hall of fame, shouldn’t their stats count within the same record books!
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I actually don't think anyone that played in that era is the "Greatest" anything.. Today's game with the level of athlete, the advanced stats, training etc is just so much harder. Everyone throws hard and with spin rate these days.. Again it is just 2 different leagues and the match ups are NOT the same. I fully understand they should have been allowed to play in MLB. But we should NOT just lump all the stats in because we had a racist view of things back then.. And I have no issue with any pioneering black player being in the HOF either..
so then will the white players who played in these exhibition games against the Negro league also have their stats count toward their MLB totals? Or only the black players?
This is dumb, you can't mix stats with players that didn't play against each other, regardless of the reason.
You dont get to have your PPG from Europe, added to the NBA... we need to stop this madness.
This. They were two separate leagues.....of course we all know the reason for it....but the MLB Hall Of Fame has already been putting in Negro League players for years now. No need to combine the numbers as it just creates more of a mess....more so than it already is trying to compare numbers from different eras.....Dead Ball Era, Steroid Era, time before the pitcher's mound was lowered, etc. Plus, verifying numbers from The Negro Leagues has been super difficult over the past decades....how are they determining which numbers are valid or not?
That’s dumb because there are stats from people who played before 1900. So you can.
@KClouisville you can do different leagues they did it before. The got the stats from the news papers.
Your comparison is flawed. Both of these leagues were in the United States. Your talking about Europe and the US. You are aware that they did play exhibition games against each other. Negro Leagues vs MLB. They were called barnstormering games.
Virtue signaling at its finest. The past is the past you can’t change it now , I guess you can.
Great decision by baseball.
My granddad always told me stories about Josh Gibson and the urban legend that he allegedly hit 700-800 home runs but they would never count them due to racial barrier in the majors. I vaguely believed it only because I saw Bonds hit so many and thought nobody could ever hit as many as he did
Once they counted, Gibson only hit about 175. He died at age 35, so it was highly unlikely he hit more than 300, even accounting for some missing games.
@@yippee-ki-yay9925 Exactly. Why do people think any random story is true? Weird.
9:05 You could say the same about Japanese position players before Ichiro changed that. Prior there was a heavy bias (racist?) against signing them.
Japan has won 3 of the 5 the World Baseball Classics so their talent is on par with MLB talent, right?
Using MLB’s logic, Ichiro has 102 more “professional” hits than Pete Rose so he should be recognized as the all-time MLB hits leader now.
Japanese players were not banned from playing in the MLB because of their color.