"Corrected" I'm sorry, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, and I admit it, but I did not understand this video at all. *** Well, Adam is a really really smart guy.**** went back and reread the book about a dozen times and finally got it. Thank you Adam.
I have a V3 with all Area 419 Accessories. Ordered a V4 last Night. Am looking forward to getting. I hope the Tray for my FX120i from Area 419 still fits...
Honestly, if I wanted something like this, I'd go chargemaster. I love the design of the V3 and older because separated two procedures cleanly; bulk dump and precision trickle. The only thing that could have been improved upon is the trickler system to be able to trickle without over/under dispensing or require so much powder before the tube can consistently pick up a grain.
V4 uses the same concept as V3 except in one unit, with easier powder changeovers. The Chargemaster uses a 0.10 GN load cell, this is 0.02 GN, so they are not really for the same intended purpose. However if you only shoot shorter distances and the Chargemaster is sufficient, absolutely it will save you money going that route.
@@AutoTrickler Turn the V4 from it's current configuration, with tubes facing outwards, to tubes facing downwards. Work with gravity/shorter distances to the powder charge tray. Have a nozzle that directly interfaces with the cup, maybe with an angled spout to prevent kernals from jumping around. BAM. Gemba / Process improvement.
Makes perfect sense to take a laboratory grade scale and put it out of level rather then making a proper lid assembly that would allow you to just change the inclination of the dispenser.
I'm sure you could slide something under the feet in the back to induce a tilt while leaving the scale level (business cards or something similar may work).
If you are using a powder that requires a different tilt angle than another, and you have verified that you do actually need two switch between two different tilt angles, and one tilt angle will not work for all of your powders, then you can feel free to adjust the tilt using a shim under the platform that allows you to easily swap between the two angles.
Here's something to try then. Tilt the scale like he demonstrates, drop the charge. Re-level the scale and weigh that charge to see if it is actually off? If it is, then it's an issue. Since the front feed block of the auto trickler tilts (tilting it to get the feed started as demonstrated in the video), then it shouldn't be hard to make a shim that fits behind the feed block to set and maintain a tilt angle, unless it won't run run properly like that. Otherwise, a shim to either tilt the entire trickler on top of the lid, or a shim to tilt the entire lid itself?
It’s been a while Adam since you posted a video good to see you again. Also I just wanted to say I reload do like my newly purchased v3 auto trickler. It really is a very nice unit very accurate and consistent. I can’t wait till the newest version is available for purchase. I know it’s available but there are a lot more people who will get one before me so I just wait till it’s more available. But I have to say from the videos I have seen it’s definitely a upgraded unit.
Hi Adam, I'm looking forwards to my V4 being delivered :-) I'd have thought that putting the whole scale out of balance isn't technically ideal for the scale's accuracy and/or precision. Would it be possible to create a shim piece for the scale top cover, for large kernel powders? It could be sold as an optional extra. Or at least, the manual could give a measure for the angle of tilt or thickness of shim needed under the top cover. James
Adjusting the scale by a small angle has no effect on weighing powder. It's not important for the scale to be perfectly level. Extremely crooked would be noticeable but we're only talking about the cosine of very small angles.
Adam is it ok to use the feet of the scale for the "shim" when adjusting the flow to get it into cal, .010-.020 (so if close, like .020 shim needed ) can I just use the leveling feet on the scale or is it better to shim on the bumpers of the top plate?
It doesn't matter how you adjust tilt, you can turn the scale feet or put a shim under the back foot of the scale or the platform or the back of the V4. Just try to get the flow rate to 0.20 with most powders. Maybe a little higher for the larger kernel powders if they flow better around 0.24.
Hi Adam, what is not clear to me is whether for the N570 do I need to tilt the system more? You did it by changing the til angle of the entire scale, but is this a good solution? Or was it only for demonstration?
Hi, your results may vary but I found on Saturday I had best results with a flow rate of 0.24 with N570. Try that. You can tilt the scale or the housing using a spacer and experiment.
Remove the hopper then raise the back window and most of the powder comes out. Then lift and tilt it back and pour the rest out. Look through the tubes to ensure they are clear and check the back for any stray kernels.
Hi Adam, I have one of these on order just so I could get on the list. I am not familiar with this system. I do use N 570 powder for a couple of my magnum loads. I have a few questions about how to use this scale system. I currently use an older version of RCBS that is very slow and it has a hard time hitting the end weight without going over. I see perhaps the potential for the same problem with this scale. So I have a few questions about this scale. First, can a laptop be connected with it to run it. In this video you are using your phone. Can it be operated without any outside controller? I am not clear on how you purge and clean it between different powders so you are sure to remove all residual powder. Is there clear instructions with the system to help someone like myself that has never used this type of system. In this video you move the scales off level to get the N570 powder to work, and then I think you say you can just leave it like that. Does it compromise the scales accuracy to move it off level? Why not just change the angle of the dispenser tube to work with any powder? I am sure I will have many more questions, my last question would be estimates on delivery. I ordered my system from CEProducts today, they did not have a clear estimate but said if I had not received it by August to check back with them. Do you have any better estimate about this. I know I will have many more questions. I look forward to receiving my V4 and hope it is all that it looks like it is. Thank you for your response. Rob Jeffery
@@AutoTrickler I don't have one yet, was going to put in my order to get in line but found several threads about issues , just wanting to know that they were resolved before purchasing .
@@EChunter Mark there are no ongoing issues I need to solve. It's fine. I don't keep up with the forums anymore but any questions / concerns I get by email I answer and handle every day and if there was some kind of ongoing problem stopping people from using / purchasing the AutoTrickler I would deal with it immediately. My focus is scaling production because the one and only problem we have on a daily basis is the 6 month lead time and related questions / concerns about the backlog size. If you have a specific concern please email me and I talk to you 1 on 1.
Anyone loading 4 grain or in thst range and all you notice small tube trying to fill in those 4 grains and it takes for ever if u go to settings and hold close for few seconds there are hidden options you can twick to make big hopper work even with light charges
I don't like, I don't like, I don't like how the cup is set to the FRONT of the scale. In every scale device it is ALWAYS set to have the cup in the CENTER. It an AWESOME device, I just don't love that it puts the cup to the front of the scale.
Thanks for the feedback. It doesn't actually cause any problem, and it's more convenient to have the cup closer to you. I understand it looks like it might be a problem, but it's fine.
looks great cant wait to get mine in 12 years
Mine just came in 4 weeks
Received mine in 7 weeks. 😂
O I got mine I was just being a sarcastic
I just got mine on Friday, and have been fine tuning it in my spare time. Great product, team!
"Corrected" I'm sorry, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, and I admit it, but I did not understand this video at all. *** Well, Adam is a really really smart guy.**** went back and reread the book about a dozen times and finally got it. Thank you Adam.
Thanks Adam. My V4 is scheduled for delivery Tuesday. Looks like you posted this video just in time for me. 👍👍
Arrived this afternoon, all up and running fantastic.
Great video I’ve had my v4 some time now, it’s a great trickler saves a lot of time and very easy to use thanks Adam 👏👏👏
This has always been the best but its really come a long way since the V1 days
Look at all those autotricklers in process ... waiting patiently for it to be my turn. Thanks for the instructional vid.
Also hoping one of those in the background is coming my way soon!
Hi Adam. Thank for the update, I watch all videos I can find on the new V4, as I’m waiting for a delivery sometime in February.
@@jacobjohnson6766 Looks like it will be March.
Can't wait till mine show up.. I got 2.. very happy
I have a V3 with all Area 419 Accessories. Ordered a V4 last Night. Am looking forward to getting. I hope the Tray for my FX120i from Area 419 still fits...
Impressive machine. Slightly faster than my old Lyman 55 and manual trickler!
Can't wait, mine is due soon!
An amazing product
Honestly, if I wanted something like this, I'd go chargemaster. I love the design of the V3 and older because separated two procedures cleanly; bulk dump and precision trickle.
The only thing that could have been improved upon is the trickler system to be able to trickle without over/under dispensing or require so much powder before the tube can consistently pick up a grain.
V4 uses the same concept as V3 except in one unit, with easier powder changeovers. The Chargemaster uses a 0.10 GN load cell, this is 0.02 GN, so they are not really for the same intended purpose. However if you only shoot shorter distances and the Chargemaster is sufficient, absolutely it will save you money going that route.
@@AutoTrickler My apologies, I meant a matchmaster. Same concept for less.
@@AutoTrickler Turn the V4 from it's current configuration, with tubes facing outwards, to tubes facing downwards. Work with gravity/shorter distances to the powder charge tray.
Have a nozzle that directly interfaces with the cup, maybe with an angled spout to prevent kernals from jumping around.
BAM. Gemba / Process improvement.
Fantastic just ordered one 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Makes perfect sense to take a laboratory grade scale and put it out of level rather then making a proper lid assembly that would allow you to just change the inclination of the dispenser.
I'm sure you could slide something under the feet in the back to induce a tilt while leaving the scale level (business cards or something similar may work).
@@neilharris4462 Yeah doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy having to stick pieces of paper under your brand new $500 dispenser.
Please point me in the direction of the perfect product that you've designed and built and supported.
If you are using a powder that requires a different tilt angle than another, and you have verified that you do actually need two switch between two different tilt angles, and one tilt angle will not work for all of your powders, then you can feel free to adjust the tilt using a shim under the platform that allows you to easily swap between the two angles.
Here's something to try then. Tilt the scale like he demonstrates, drop the charge. Re-level the scale and weigh that charge to see if it is actually off? If it is, then it's an issue.
Since the front feed block of the auto trickler tilts (tilting it to get the feed started as demonstrated in the video), then it shouldn't be hard to make a shim that fits behind the feed block to set and maintain a tilt angle, unless it won't run run properly like that. Otherwise, a shim to either tilt the entire trickler on top of the lid, or a shim to tilt the entire lid itself?
It’s been a while Adam since you posted a video good to see you again. Also I just wanted to say I reload do like my newly purchased v3 auto trickler. It really is a very nice unit very accurate and consistent. I can’t wait till the newest version is available for purchase. I know it’s available but there are a lot more people who will get one before me so I just wait till it’s more available. But I have to say from the videos I have seen it’s definitely a upgraded unit.
Just an FYI I don’t think he will ever catch up on production. If he does I assume he’ll build a new unit
Thanks!
Hi Adam,
I'm looking forwards to my V4 being delivered :-)
I'd have thought that putting the whole scale out of balance isn't technically ideal for the scale's accuracy and/or precision.
Would it be possible to create a shim piece for the scale top cover, for large kernel powders? It could be sold as an optional extra.
Or at least, the manual could give a measure for the angle of tilt or thickness of shim needed under the top cover.
James
I have to take my scale out-of-level to adjust the tilt for certain powders? Doesn’t this induce error? I don’t understand.
Adjusting the scale by a small angle has no effect on weighing powder. It's not important for the scale to be perfectly level. Extremely crooked would be noticeable but we're only talking about the cosine of very small angles.
Adam is it ok to use the feet of the scale for the "shim" when adjusting the flow to get it into cal, .010-.020 (so if close, like .020 shim needed ) can I just use the leveling feet on the scale or is it better to shim on the bumpers of the top plate?
It doesn't matter how you adjust tilt, you can turn the scale feet or put a shim under the back foot of the scale or the platform or the back of the V4. Just try to get the flow rate to 0.20 with most powders. Maybe a little higher for the larger kernel powders if they flow better around 0.24.
@@AutoTrickler thanks
Hi Adam, what is not clear to me is whether for the N570 do I need to tilt the system more? You did it by changing the til angle of the entire scale, but is this a good solution? Or was it only for demonstration?
Hi, your results may vary but I found on Saturday I had best results with a flow rate of 0.24 with N570. Try that. You can tilt the scale or the housing using a spacer and experiment.
how do you purge the silo and clean it out to switch between powders?
Remove the hopper then raise the back window and most of the powder comes out. Then lift and tilt it back and pour the rest out. Look through the tubes to ensure they are clear and check the back for any stray kernels.
Hi Adam,
I have one of these on order just so I could get on the list. I am not familiar with this system. I do use N 570 powder for a couple of my magnum loads. I have a few questions about how to use this scale system. I currently use an older version of RCBS that is very slow and it has a hard time hitting the end weight without going over. I see perhaps the potential for the same problem with this scale. So I have a few questions about this scale. First, can a laptop be connected with it to run it. In this video you are using your phone. Can it be operated without any outside controller? I am not clear on how you purge and clean it between different powders so you are sure to remove all residual powder. Is there clear instructions with the system to help someone like myself that has never used this type of system. In this video you move the scales off level to get the N570 powder to work, and then I think you say you can just leave it like that. Does it compromise the scales accuracy to move it off level? Why not just change the angle of the dispenser tube to work with any powder? I am sure I will have many more questions, my last question would be estimates on delivery. I ordered my system from CEProducts today, they did not have a clear estimate but said if I had not received it by August to check back with them. Do you have any better estimate about this.
I know I will have many more questions. I look forward to receiving my V4 and hope it is all that it looks like it is.
Thank you for your response.
Rob Jeffery
Please email me. I checked for your order and it's with CE so I don't have your email address.
a small set screw should solve the problem then you can keep the scale level.
Does that take the level off the scale
Wish mine worked like that. Left motor not running at all.
Please email for support
I have, nobody has replied.
@@lorenzogarcia6615 Monday morning now, I'm on it. We usually respond within 1 day but we were travelling Friday.
Thx. #!!!
Lots of bad stuff about this on the hide , have the issues been worked out yet ?
Hi Mark. If you have any issues with the AutoTrickler please contact me (email) and I will help you resolve them.
@@AutoTrickler I don't have one yet, was going to put in my order to get in line but found several threads about issues , just wanting to know that they were resolved before purchasing .
@@EChunter Mark there are no ongoing issues I need to solve. It's fine. I don't keep up with the forums anymore but any questions / concerns I get by email I answer and handle every day and if there was some kind of ongoing problem stopping people from using / purchasing the AutoTrickler I would deal with it immediately. My focus is scaling production because the one and only problem we have on a daily basis is the 6 month lead time and related questions / concerns about the backlog size. If you have a specific concern please email me and I talk to you 1 on 1.
@@AutoTrickler so all the stuff I read was all lies then ?
@@EChunter Sorry Mark I can't continue this in CZcams comments. Email me and I'll discuss the product with you if that's what you need.
Hi, I am a customer, love your products.
But I was really disappointed when I found out that you work with russia.
Money doesn't smell?
Anyone loading 4 grain or in thst range and all you notice small tube trying to fill in those 4 grains and it takes for ever if u go to settings and hold close for few seconds there are hidden options you can twick to make big hopper work even with light charges
I don't like, I don't like, I don't like how the cup is set to the FRONT of the scale. In every scale device it is ALWAYS set to have the cup in the CENTER. It an AWESOME device, I just don't love that it puts the cup to the front of the scale.
Thanks for the feedback. It doesn't actually cause any problem, and it's more convenient to have the cup closer to you. I understand it looks like it might be a problem, but it's fine.
I WILL BUY YOUR PRODUCT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A KAT, I HOPE IT WORKS WELL!!!!
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