How to make your voice feminine. No head voice. No falsetto.
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- čas přidán 20. 12. 2016
- Read this first: lena.kiev.ua/voice/
Followup video: • Female Voice 2.0 (No H...
EDIT: If you're having a hard time keeping your voice 'in the right spot', try looking at this link: shevoice.blogspot.co.uk/2009/0... and specifically this part where it says: "In order to train yourself to start breathing using the muscles around the chin and throat area, you will have to put tension on these muscles . You do this by tightening your neck muscles as if you are sucking on a sour lemon, and then try to breathe/speak." It seems like this is the best way to get your adam's apple (after raising it) to move backward into the sweet spot easily and consistently.
Also try pulling your soft palate up and back and sucking on it with the back of your tongue in order to pull your adam's apple up and backward. This might help especially if you are having trouble breathing. If you get your hard palate high enough, there should be enough room in your throat for air to squeak by. (Which I think is where the shallow breathing comes from). Having good posture will also help keep everything in the right spot.
Introduction/crash course to making your voice sound feminine.
This is what I explain to everyone who asks me "How do I sound like a girl?" In my experience, the vast majority of youtube and reddit tutorials for voice training focus on raising the pitch of your voice and then trying to compensate for the lack of chest/throat resonance with nose resonance and breathiness. The problem is that your voice ends up sounding unnaturally strained, restricted to a small portion of your range of pitches, and unable to project or yell well.
I don't know how well known this link is but the people who I've met with convincingly female voices use this technique: lena.kiev.ua/voice/ (Voice feminization for MtF transsexuals. Why resonance/timbre is more important than pitch and how to change it.)
In male puberty, both the vocal folds AND the vocal tract elongate, giving you a deeper range of pitches and a larger resonating chamber for your voice. Most people tend to focus on the pitch of their voice but I think that the pitch of your voice is actually irrelevant to how the human ear genders your voice. There is so much overlap between male and female vocal ranges that people don't mind females with deeper voices or males with higher pitched voices.
The human ear is really good at compensating for the changes in resonance that are related to changes in pitch. I think what works much better is changing the resonance of your vocal tract by manipulating its size (length) in order to make a more feminine sounding voice. This essentially undoes much of what male puberty changes in your voice, giving you a close-to-feminine sounding voice with a slightly lower vocal range.
The link I gave you explains the ONE MOST IMPORTANT change you can do to your vocal tract to change the resonance/timber of your voice. It doesn't have anything to do with your vocal folds. In fact, I recommend trying to keep the pitch of your voice monotone and unchanging while you attempt to raise and pull in your adam's apple.
12:44 Example of technique.
Video script here: pastebin.com/WLXiD8NS - Jak na to + styl
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Everyone here a woman trying to sound better
Meanwhile I'm the male voice actor trying to work on a woman voice
Same, I'm doing it just for a character in a roleplaying game. And to freak people out.
@@pieterisnothire5730 Lol, yeah
did it work
@@paytonpetkus446 I am certainly better, I've continued to practice
Please explain to me what you’re doing, my voice is rlly bad
I was just told by a boy I like
“ yo you sound like a man”
🙃😐
Lmaooo
RIP
Dats tuff
Sigh.... relatable XD
It be hurting tho
I want a higher voice because my features are relatively “cute” or “feminine”, but my voice I kinda low. It always throws people off and I hate how people react, that’s all ;w;
Edit: It's been two years. turns out it wasn't my voice. i went through puberty and stopped caring about the whole needing to sound feminine thing. I wasn't happy with my appearance and probably thought that changing how my voice sounded would make me closer to the idealistic cutesy female that i desperately wanted to be. just try to be happy with yourself, you can change so much about yourself yet there will always be something you’ll find to hate about yourself if you don’t change your perception of yourself. you’re all lovely, i hope you feel comfortable being yourselves soon
Yay, kawaii friend!
It's the opposite for me. I want to be a living loli (lmao) but I don't look "kawaii." I can make my voice slightly higher but yeaaaah.
Same
OwO What’s this?! Same dude
@OwO What's this?! I\'m not sure but ,if anyone else is searching for how to change male voice to female try Loctavan Female Voice Strategy (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? Ive heard some super things about it and my cousin got amazing success with it.
Everybody thinks i'm a guy on ps4 over the mic, and i'm annoyed with it. Thank you.
Im the same way Danny Dorito
my voice starts off high on the mic and then gets deep at times its annoying☠️
@@itsjustciara1203 SAME DUDE OLS
@@Daughterdaughters 😭😭 I been stopped playing on my ps4 but when I did I didnt like using my mic bc of that LMAOO.
I want to have a more feminine voice and I'm a girl, I just get angry all the time because people have mistaken me as a boy and question why my voice is so deep lol
especiallly since there are a lot of high talking men who aren't gay but just talk that way. :( They defeminate us with the insults against our femininity.)
lmao same
Caroline Lala lmao chill
Dude i wish i sounded like a boy :( i just sound feminine but id love to have a masculine voice :(
your voice is probably beautiful hun
I was gonna leave a long comment but settled for this.
Thank you.
..... This is ... First off, i'll report 2 ads from what seem to be 2 different posting bots, they should get removed, and then i'll say that i LIKE this video.
^_^
Cheers for the Video clip! Sorry for the intrusion, I would love your thoughts. Have you ever tried - Gonameron Voice Vicariousness (do a google search)? It is a good one off guide for learning how to achieve a passable feminine voice in the next 30 Days minus the hard work. Ive heard some incredible things about it and my work colleague at last got amazing results with it.
Hmmm.... It seems some ad-bots have gotten smarter.
Just above me, unless someone has reported it yet, is an ad (yes it is an ad, i'll explain why), that i have seen in several other "how to make your voice more feminine" videos lately:
It normally addresses the top poster, likes the post or the video, and then goes on to suggesting a thing that can be found by searching on Google (it do not even provide any link).
Then it continues claiming it is a "one of a kind" guide for getting a feminine voice in 30 days "without the normal expenses".
It just sound SCAM all over it ... i think i'll report it myself, by the way, i have already reported 2 or 3 other ones.
The point is, the ad has several bot accounts, addresses different people (usually the top poster in a thread), it do not use any link but suggests googling the same place, it uses different expletives in each, and refers to different people that are claimed to have gotten amazing/fantastic/tremendous(as said, it uses different expletives)results with it, but a lot of the text, apart from the expletives and name of the referred friend or relative, are the same.
.... I think i'll let it stay, but only as an example of how one of those ads looks like.
EDIT:
My god, i should have checked the entirety of this thread first!
It seems the 2 i had reported were seen as not-ads .... and they are in THIS VERY SAME THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* sighs *
Hm, this is beyond ad-botting.
This is now probably into the sock-puppet trolling area.
i tried this and it didn't work. could it be an issue that i was assigned the male gender at birth ? but later in life i discovered that the doctors were wrong, so i transitioned into my real gender, a woman.
could this be an issue for me ? os this why it didn't worked for me ?
its really hard having a strong northern english accent because even biological women speak like men here
Pretty much yeah
Fr im in canada
Im telling you my voice is so deep when i greet new people they look at me funny 😔
Kian omg i’m from northern england and my voice sounds gross
Seriously I'm from new Hampshire up in the mountains and I could voice like any girl of any age.....my voice wears a leather jacket that reads, bow down.....I hate it 😭😭
This just makes me sound like Kermit the frog
At least it's not falsetto...
You probably overdid it
it makes me sound like meatwad
Lol
.... Lol it's ok I've been there....
"I want you to remember that if you feel discouraged, remember that you voice, the one that you have now... if you are a girl, you have a girl's voice. And it doesn't matter what it sounds like, it's still a girl's voice."
I didn't come here to cry, but there it is... Thank you for that beautiful piece of affirmation at the end of a very informative and insightful video.
im here because ima boy who wants to sound like a girl
I am so self conscious about my voice, I am a female but everyone I talk to on the phone has always called me sir. Or ask if they are speaking with a female or male
"Remember that your voice, the one you have now, if you're a girl it's still a girl's voice."
That is probably the most wholesome thing I've heard. Ever.
From all of us going thru puberty 2, electric boogaloo, thank you so much for sharing your experience with the rest of the party.
well its pretty depressing for boys who wish they had a girl's voice
If people think you sound like a dude then its a problem because we dont live in a bubble
@@cosmocourtois3345 this isn’t ab them
My voice is already to deep as a girl :-: to the point we're my mom is concerned so I want a higher voice
Well i wnt my voice to sound like a girl
Wow, can't believe how many less useful voice changing videos I had to watch before I finally found this one. Thank you, this is amazing! Makes so much more sense than the other advice I've heard, and I'm hella impressed at how easily you can switch between all the different kinds of voices to demonstrate them. :-) . Wish I could upvote this more than once.
Same xD
Certain of mtf voice videos give so much technical info. It would be like nevas a personal trainer telling a client about actin, myosin, how ATP is formed rather than show correct exercise technique
As a student of anatomy, I really appreciate this approach!
Here because I don’t want to sound like one of the bros anymore 😔
Nice pfp
Same 😔
@Silenced Truth Seeker Howl from howl’s moving castle
I was listening to this in the background and I legitimately thought a 2nd person entered the video at 8:45. Woah.
Lots of girls here insecure about their voices (often around my age, cis and trans) so its really nice that girls are able to feel comfortable about their voice with this video :) Anyways I’m using this to sound even more like Alvin from Alvin and the Chipmunks
Truly noble goals. I’m here for gender affirmation, good luck with the Alvin voice.
Omg I was NOT ready for the man voice! Lol
Neither was I,
That was helpful. I’m a girl with a masculine voice ever since the beginning of time. It makes me feel conscious, so I’m looking forward to practicing
Some boys hate my voice because it isn't Feminine. I want to fix that.
Same
This most likely isn't going to be permanent. Get some self-esteem and ignore other's opinions or live a lie. Your choice.
Probably cause you're a doooode !
mika I’m not a dude I’m a female
Yes you are a doooode a doooooode !
Ok. To be honest it sounded too good to be true.
I managed to move the apple to that point that is specified. However when i try to speak it just automatically goes back down again.
Then I tried to keep it in that place by force using my fingers to keep it in place while i speak and it worked!!
My voice was significantly feminised.
So i suppose its all about training to keep it there without using external force.
PLEASE NEVER USE EXTERNAL FORCE! I'm glad that you got lucky and this worked out for you, but as a warning to anyone reading this: you should only ever hold it in place using your internal muscles. Using fingers to push has a very good chance of causing PERMANENT DAMAGE. Please stay safe, ladies!
@@gamingg4096 omg thanks so much for this! I was literally about to until I saw this comment. ❤❤
You could try breathing with the raised larynx first and then move on to singing "aaahhh" and then speaking.
The voicebox isn't just a button to press on
By training the muscles to keep it there like any muscle training it will take time but yes if you train your muscles to keep it there you will have a more feminine sound
I'm a cis guy who has always enjoyed doing voices for entertainment purposes. I'd long been able to produce a female voice by mimicking various sorts of sounds I thought were ideal (mainly by using some combination of the other techniques you outline early in the video) but as you said, it does create a situation where you lose a lot of your natural vocal range. I suppose because I started mimicking voices from TV (cartoons mostly) the voice sounds passable but perhaps not natural. By using your technique, I was able to produce a more natural sounding voice, but it's much tougher for me because I've had years of doing this kind of voice the "wrong" way and have to un-train myself from using those techniques.
Anyway, just wanna thank you for this video and the in-depth, technical / science-based descriptions. I'm not trans, and I only do this for fun, but I very much empathize with all of the hard work transwomen (and men) go through to perfect this kind of thing! You should make more videos! Definitely going to subscribe! :D
Kurapika Kurta king
No, you are not cis. You are a man. Accept who you sre
Phantom Well, fuck you too, dipshit! :)
Phantom_Xeno Ah-whaat? Do you really HAVE to show your stupidity? (unless you're joking, then ok, nice trollage )
@@domoni7499 He's a man who's also cis
Awesome lessons. I like the in-depth descriptions. Plus you really SHOW how to do everything...Thanks for posting!
Ada, I can't thank you enough for having made this tutorial; it's majorly appreciated. Best of luck in stuff and hopefully see you around more.
Either im dumb, or this is the only video that goes deeply into what should be happening when raising the larynx.
Ive seen other tutorials, and despite raising the larynx my resonance didnt change because they dont mention that you NEED to pull it back aswell, as if theyre doing it uncounciously or they arent aware of it happening.
Literally, a life saver of a guide.
Thank you.
How do you move it back
This is the best tutorial I've ever seen, I'm searching for like two years someone to teach me how to do this exactly technique but nobody ever was really clear or straight to the point like you. You are perfect, THANK YOU A WHOLE LOT
i already do this all the time with my voice without realizing it. i didnt realize i could just keep everything there like that this is so helpful genuinely.
This is by far the most informative video on voice feminisation that I've seen so far. This really helps, thank you!!!
This is one of the best and most helpful videos I have seen on this topic! Thank you SO much!!!
This is so amazing. I might cry and i haven't even succeeded in doing it yet. But it finally seems attainable! Thank you!
Time to troll Discord. >:D
You genius
that is precisely why I am here, discord destiny raids, 2 hours and right at the end i just "hey guys just so you know -normal deep ass male voice- IM A GUY"
Does it work tho?
Time to make the boiz uncumfterble
Bro tell me tips bro I’m just starting
Thank you so much !!!!!!!
Have spent neigh on a week burning through mtf vocal coaching content on youtube and elsewhere, and this is by far the most effective video i've seen as someone just starting out. Something about the way you explained everything made it all click. Thank you!!!!!! ❤
Whilst appreciating other people and their explanations, yours was the first which makes clear sense when referencing a sort of "sustained swallow," and now the whole picture is increasingly seen and can be followed with practice practice practice - much the gratitude!
"Drink some water"
>Wait, that's not water.
Magical sound changing mix
Thank you so much. Such a lovely voice you have! I am an MTF (one year now) and all (any) tips are welcome....where the voice is concerned...
This is the video I’ve been hoping for, for months. Actual descriptive explanatory knowledge!
Thank you so much for this! I finally got the hang of it and am on my way! I recorded myself with Audacity and there's a distinct difference when I compare it to my normal voice. This is great!
This is an incredibly helpful video. Thank you so much. I actually started tearing up a little
I found this video a few days ago and I have to say, this is by far the best explanation of how to feminize the voice by moving the larynx. I found the link you posted above quite a while ago, but the description there is missing all the details. It gave me an idea of how it works but I didn't know if I am doing it right. So, thank you for this video and the detailed comments you gave here!
After some practice, I found a spot for my adams apple that somehow matches your description of the sweet spot. The only thing is, it doesn't want to stay there. I have a hard time keeping it there. If I do not concentrate, it does down almost immediately. But it seems to get better with training :)
Anna Falkenstein
How are you now
How did it go? :)
Heyy how's it now?
@@tulsa8823 Today my voice passes pretty well. I do not think about it anymore. But After some time without speaking (some days) I have to do some warm-up exercises or talk for some minutes to bring up my voice again 😅Without exercise, it would get a bad resonance and sound too deep.
I'm glad if you are good with that, thank you for responding! Stay safe^^
The best practical video I've seen so far. Thank you!
This was a great example! I enjoyed tuning in!
Is it wrong... that I want to learn how to sound feminine to improve my vocal range, inflections, resonances, tones, etc, for fun?
To me, it seems like a fascinating and worthwhile talent to have.
How do you not have more subscribers? You're amazing.
Thank you. Your examples are spot and I will be viewing your other videos.
Thank you so, sooo much! Just the trick using the two fingers to feel the vibes and muscles, and your comprehensive knowledge of anatomy just....fell into place, like the straight block in Tetris that you wait forever for. Also, I love those glasses!
Best tutorial so far, thank you for this, you just changed my life (dramatic but true).
Even if the voice is low and coming out of female it still sounds female. I'm a guy and I want sound feminine. Don't judge me. 😳😳😳
Love the use of items to show your ideas
At about 12 minutes, up and back a little. OMG so genius! Got it, hit it, nailed it, held it and it sounds REAL. Thank you :)
Hi Ada, awesome video! You make some very good points. Feeling inspired by creators such as yourself, I have decided to create a CZcams channel of my own to provide additional tutorials/information on voice training, and show my own vocal progress. Thank you for all the help that has come from your content, I hope to help others as well with my own journey!
Omg omg! You freed me! I was stuck with a stupid incredibly deep voice for years! Thanks you so much!
It’s definitely not perfect considering it’s incredibly breathy but for a first attempt it’s great!
18:00 min mark and on is really helpful
Thank you Ada, I appreciate this so much.
This is absolute sorcery, thank you so much this is a great technique
It does sound like magic! I had to speak really softly and I couldn't do it for very long, but I had no idea my voice was capable of sounding like that!
Edit: Thanks for the heart, Ms. Han! Now I only need to work on not subconsciously slipping into a falsetto and improving my eating habits, as I can't speak very well with that much phlegm in my throat.
So I'm having a lot of trouble just trying to move the Adams Apple even up. I've read the blog over and over again and I know what muscles are involved. I just am having an extremely hard time even getting the Adams Apple to move upwards. Btw amazing video very helpful, i'm just having some difficulties
This is such a small thing, but the fact that you show your voice as it is naturally without any techniques in this video is so important to me. This is the first voice training video I've seen that actually gives me confidence in this, thank you so much.
thank you, something that finally makes sense to me, after six years I gave up but I came across this on Facebook and it makes since, so thank you.
You’re so beautiful and smart,this video is quite helpful..thanks
@Shaked K
Doing a head voice or a falsetto is completely unrelated to doing this technique. The position of your adam's apple is not controlled by the vocal folds (or otherwise determined by the pitch of your voice). lena.kiev.ua/voice/ This link describes the muscles that are involved in this technique and I always recommend reading through this page (the first place where I ever saw this shortcut explained in depth) even if it's very dense and technical.
The easiest method to feel your adam's apple move is to swallow. If you put your hand across your throat, you should feel your adam's apple move up and down about a finger width or two. From there, most people try to 'freeze' all the muscles in their throat (which usually means they can't breathe but it's okay cause the next step is to suck it back into your neck from which you should be able to breathe again, which means you won't have to hold your breath for long).
Going into a head voice or raising the pitch of your voice won't affect the adam's apple's position (not directly anyways). Pitch control is nice but it's something you do later, like adding icing to a cake. What matters is feeling and envisioning the muscles that are involved.
Ada Han literally what do you mean about "sucking back" the Adams apple? I don't understand. It just falls back the moment I even try to do anything. I don't know how to manipulate the muscles you're talking about
kmW same
All this time I thought I was using my head voice.
Thank you for sharing this Ada. Love Michelle
Thank you so, so, so much. I was so nervous I would be so obvious but I think this will help A LOT.... Thank you so much!!!
I thought your voice was completely when I first started listening... fantastic Thank you!
THIS WAS SOOOO HELPFUL, THANK YOU!
Left a sub
Cliche Cat
Did it work
Hey, great video. Thanks for posting it. Very Helpful. I wish the other comments(at the time of this comment) weren't cancer. I love your voice. Hope mine can get close to something like that.
That's what I get for asking my friends for comments/criticism. :P
This is amazing! I finally understand what to do with my throat, thank you!
Very great explanation and video! Love it! Thank you girl!
Searching for voice feminizing videos, of any that I've found you have the most natural sounding voice, think I'm going to try your method first :p
See, you have the perfect voice it just sounds "female"
unlike a lot of trans women with "trans voice" i do not want that voice lol..
THIS!!!
What wrong with a 'trans voice'
A l l e g e d l y TM I think they mean how some trans have like a more nasally sounding voice
Crescent Tide I said the same lol!!!
Exactly. I can't stand the "fabulous" voice or the "valley Girl?" Which I guess? Some people call? Upspeak?
I loved this description; in hindsight what is being said here is that very subtle attention (auto-neural-plasticity i.e. building neural pathways; primary nature) needs to be given to LIP SPREADING, FORWARD TONGUE CARRIAGE or MOVEMENT, BREATHING SPEED (i.e. breathiness), RESONANCE, REVERBERATION, INFLECTION and RETRACTION SPEED. The approximate spatial area in the throat box in contrast to the epiglottis that create high-low vibratory frequencies at certain intermittent intervals that occur within milliseconds is what is being done here, this is what manipulates and controls the very complex anatomical description given in the video and link here. VERBAL SKILLS and IMAGINATION are an important asset to this also...
BEST explanation ever! You ARE stellar! Thx :)
I don't understand how to do that. I can move my adams apple up as much i want and i can hold it up for 1 minute, but i cant speak like that. I started practicing yesterday. ;_;
I'm trying to use these muscles, but my adam's apple just moves as down as possible. I can't even see it anymore until i pull it up again. :/
This is what I wrote in another comment on this video:
The next thing is to be sure that you're going up with your adam's apple (You can kind of freeze all your muscles in place after a swallow) and then into your throat. You can try to focus your voice through the hard palette at the top of your mouth and out past the tip of your nose, which makes you want to pull on the back/sides of the skull where the muscles we want to activate are. It might help to also try focusing your throat through your trachea at the bottom of your throat instead of that works better for you. Also try sucking it in with your tongue with the back of your mouth which might work for you. If you can get your adam's apple up and then back there, it should want to stay up and soundwise it should get you about 5/6 of the way there to making your voice sound completely feminine, even if we are have kind of a robotic monotone from keeping the pitch the same. And then perfecting the sound is just normal vocal exercises.
Remember that your adam's apple should both LOOK and FEEL more hidden inside your throat but it shouldn't be moving down, rather, it should move in/backward. Definitely feel with your hand or even try looking in a mirror. And don't worry if you don't get it right away. This is an unintuitive use of your muscles and it will need some trial and error.
Do you offer lessons on how to pull your Adam's apple back and hold it?
Ada Han do you offer lessons on how to pull your Adam's apple back and hold it?
I can pull it up, but I'm not sure what you mean by back. It seems when I swallow it goes up and then forward to under my tongue. If you could explain how it feels or something along those lines it would be a great help
I’m non-binary feminine but I was born male and this is helping me sound more like how I want to thank you for this. :)
Thank you beyond what words can say, I play with my voice quite a bit, trying to mimic characters from movies and other people try to sing with soundtracks in music I’ve never gotten this far This quick ... I kind of never really liked my voice after puberty, the change it has always been two deep, and big...
the voice shift is 😳🤯 not only does it make me happy, but I am going to have some fun with it to!!! So thank you again!!!
lol actual step by step with feelings and examples guide this is soooooo underrated video for anyone who is looking to ehm change their voice
need more of this! on a side note, might want to consider images during your talking portion of anatomy
Like others, I can get the adam's apple up, but it comes down again. I can't work out how to bring it back. Several times you advocate doing what you do when you eat lemons, but I've no idea what my muscles do in those circumstances. If I go and eat a lemon, will I understand, or is there any other description you can give of that part of process?
When my adam's apple goes up I can't breathe at all (because I'm swallowing) and if I open my mouth adam's apple goes back down again.
First of all, you want to read this link: lena.kiev.ua/voice/
That site explains exactly which muscles are engaged during this technique. Being able to envision the muscles in your mind's eye is very helpful. It helps a lot of people to imagine the mouth puckering and tightening that happens when tasting something very sour because it engages those muscles even if it doesn't necessarily place the adam's apple in the correct position. Try this: put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and suck on your soft palate while at the same time trying to raise your soft palate back and away from your tongue. Basically, raise the back of the roof of your mouth and pull your tongue up with it using negative pressure. Hopefully that might get your adam's apple pulled up and back and when you finish swallowing, you should be able to open your mouth and breathe while you concentrate on keeping your adam's apple from falling back down. Your breathing will be shallow and raspy probably because we're basically trying to shift the entire airway backward a bit. A lot of people have commented that it's hard for them to breathe and in hindsight, raising the soft palate (something that automatically happens when tasting a sour lemon at least for me) is probably what they were missing. I'll put an annotation in my video in case trying this helps some other people.
Ah, that explanation does help quite a lot. I've got the apple on the shelf. Still can't quite seem to breathe with it in that position, but I figure practicing getting it there and keeping so will be handy. (I find it terribly hard to believe my head is full of bones and muscles - the prospects faintly monstrous, so it's hard to really envisage the things described in the article, but I'm working on it). Many thanks for your patient explanations.
Ada Han I don't know if you still respond to comments, but I'm having trouble knowing whether I'm doing it right or not. So far, no matter how much I raise my Adam's apple and "push it back", I haven't noticed a tangible difference in my voice (not that there wasn't one, I just can't tell). At the same time, holding one finger at the top of my sternum and another at the conjunction of my chin and neck hasn't helped me because my brain simply doesn't know how to handle or compare the two vibrations. At any given time they might be the same or different, and I would be none the wiser because they're just vibrations to me. If I had to guess, I think my problem is keeping the Adam's apple back when I talk, but my biggest problem is that I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong or if I'm doing anything wrong at all! It feels like I'm trying to solve a math problems but all the numbers in the problem are hidden in a throats shaped box where I can't see them so I have to randomly answer numbers to hope I get it right and the sound it makes for "correct" is ostensibly the same as "incorrect". Very frustrating.
Jake Harris
Have you got it yet
This is so amazing and helpful!! Thank you so much
Oh my God I fucking love you so much, I got it decently down in like an hour and it's so euphoric to hear my voice sound like that. You deserve all the love in the world
I have no idea how to pull the Adam’s apple back. Btw I love how you give a lot of detail, lot of things I learned
Trying this is very hard in that when no one is around I get a lot of anxiety even just trying to talk in my normal voice, so trying to talk to myself doing a female voice is extra anxiety... Social anxiety is so weird to have because even things I know I can't possibly be judged for I feel like I'd be judged for...
I got a lot of issues on top of gender dysphoria... Probably some co-morbid personality disorders I think...
Just go outside somewhere to do the training
I practice in the shower or in my closet due to anxiety
great video, i wanted to learn how to speak in a female voice since i was young but i never understood how to manipulate my voice but you explained it very well. thank you!
been struggling a lot with my voice, even for a guy’s voice ive always disliked it and worry it will never sound like how i want. this video is really helpful and reassuring though so I’m gonna keep trying. thank you
I don't get it at all. I've tried every method mentioned and cannot move it back, what gives?
Feel where your lyranix is when you stretch it, and then swallow. When you swallow it goes back, I believe that's what your supposed to try to maintain.
9:20 Cool, it is exactly what I discovered by myself. :-)
Thank you for your video. It's a bit long, but very onformative. And you proove it works very well. You have a nice female voice. I've started pushing my adam's apple up and back several months ago, and due to false information (danger!! don't do this!!) I've stopped and did it again, and then stopped... But, noticing a nice change in my voice (and collegues telling me my voice has changed) I started again. So I'm very happy to see that what I was doing (just by noticing that cis women have a less visible adam's apple and that I can consciously put it up and back as when I swallow) is a good way to feminize my voice. I now know that it is safe as long as I don't overtrain (as with any other muscle training, even in piano or guitar training!). So, thank you very much !
And I like the page linked in description about "financial interests" of therapists... This is true for so many aspects of our life (not just about or "particularity")
{I hope my English is not too bad. I'm French}
Whew this was so helpful I love you
Thank you! This is really gonna help out with voice acting.
Thank you for this video!
I started practicing with this technique last night... I wasn't able to find that 'sweet spot' that keeps it up there, unfortunately... Any time I think I might be getting close(? I dunno... It feels like it's near the top of my throat and near the back of my mouth... or something like that..), my gag reflex kicks in.
Maybe I'm doing something incorrectly? :s
I'm going to keep at it... I tried keeping my adam's apple held up there with two fingers for a moment and I could already hear a massive improvement. Of course, that's not really feasible if I'm talking to anyone in person, and it would probably damage something if I do that much.
And I'm really hoping it becomes way less strenuous and much more comfortable to do...
Thank you again,
Alyssa
Once you can keep your adam's apple from falling down mid-swallow, try to imagine sucking on a really sour lemon. That tenseness in the sides of your neck is what you want to be using to pull your adam's apple back. Your adam's apple should move in approximately an upside down L shape, not just diagonally. Then you should find it possible to breathe but in a really shallow and shrill manner. If you talk at this point, you should hear the change in the resonance of your voice (although it will be rough because it's different muscles than you normally use to speak). The next step is to get used to talking in this tensed-up state and then learning to relax the muscles in your neck and throat as much as you can back to normal without letting your adam's apple move out of the sweet spot.
What ends up happening is your breathing becomes shallow and shrill. And you end up talking very 'creaky'. What you want to do is to talk lower in your throat/chest around your sternum area. Yes, it will be hard because you won't be used to using those muscles at first. But it will become easier and more comfortable with practice. When you find you have the resonance you want, the next step after this video is learning to relax your muscles again while keeping your adam's apple in that spot, which will make your voice sound more natural too. It helps if you start using your diaphram to support your breathing, which will making getting rid of the tension in your throat much faster and easier.
I don't recommend holding your adam's apple with your fingers unless it's just to 'test it out' once. It's probably not great for the muscles/ligaments in your neck. (And btw, some people naturally want to talk in their nose while preforming this technique which is okay at first while you are getting used to the muscle tension but you definitely want to bring your voice back into your neck/chest where people ordinarily talk and produce sounds.)
hey girl, I'm really having a difficult time with pulling the adams apple back. I read your replies to others and it doesn't make sense to me. is there a way I can train the muscle that pulls it back into the throat. can you explain where the muscle that pulls it back is in easier to relate terms. thanks, Jacqueline
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylohyoid_muscle
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylopharyngeus_muscle
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digastric_muscle#Posterior_belly
These are the three muscles involved. I don't know if you can train them specifically. The best description I have is to stick your nose out and suck on a lemon (literally) if you want to feel the muscles better. There is a tightness that you get when you make a really sour or disgusted face. Please make sure you read this link that this video is based on: lena.kiev.ua/voice/
thank you it's the first time I understand how to do it ! It will help me a lot in my transition. I know it will take time I can feel it but thank's to you I can imagine myself more comfortable in the future.. I'm sorry for my bad english but I just wanted to say thank you, a lot !
Oh my god. I heard my feminine voice! Your adams apple L shaped movement was a perfect description.
This is the only video that helped me. Thank you!
What do you do to move the adams apple back?
I literaly cant keep the apple up, it just goes down immediatly
I understand moving the adams apple up, but find the concept of moving it back confusing. Any more tips on that? :
The moving back part is confusing. I figured it out by singing really high not going into falsetto to where it like screeches in a way. Practice swallowing and doing that at the same time. Also take your tongue to the top of your mouth and back which are linked to those muscles that shes talking about best place to practice is in the car.
You could also practice swallowing and just hold it on the swallow. You won't be able to breathe but will figure out how to breath at the same time. If your doing it right you'll feel the vibrations like what shes talking about but also when you breathe in quickly if your holding it back properly you'll notice air resistance making a bit of a grimy noise.
This technique does work and will help you reach higher pitches with ease. But it's frustrating to get it locked in all the time gets easier as time goes on Ive pretty much got it mastered now. It just sux waking up and my voice being lower but it's about to a place now to where I just can lock it in easily with little to no warm up...
Also you won't figure this out in one day itll take weeks just practice it along with all the other voice training that a voice therapist can help you with and one day it should just click...
If your religious pray the Christian way it worked for me I know that sounds like bs but a switch flipped in my brain afterwords and Its like I just understood it. Also try thinking in a female way in your brain change your rythm change your resonance all of that is important...
Thank you so much for this lesson!)
i am glad i found you through amber evans. i feel like i am now starting a transition within my transition
yes, I need a feminine voice for a voice acting job. Wassup peeps
Thanks a lot for taking the time to share this, it's really helpful to have such a detailed description.
I did have some questions though: when you practiced this how tiring was it initially? Specifically the muscles under my chin and the ones under the hinges/corners of my jaw get tired pretty quickly, I can only use them for short periods. I ask because swallowing to hold up the adams apple takes very little effort (aside from not being able to breath) so I am wondering if I'm training the wrong muscles or not. Should I be looking to relax into a position or is this more like strength training?
Holding up the adam's apple is something that we do naturally all the time. It's the muscles we use to swallow and we do it naturally when singing higher pitches. It shouldn't be that tiring. The pulling back of the adam's apple IS tiring since it isn't something you would normally do for long periods of time. It took me probably months to get to the point where I could do it for more than 15-30 minutes without getting strained/tired. So yes, there is muscle training involved but you ALSO want to be relaxing your neck muscles as much as you can after you find the intended resonance change of this technique. This is a shortcut to change your vocal tract shape but I've realized it lately that it also forces you to use slightly different muscles when you breathe and talk (a consequence of changing the vocal tract I think). And that will be very tiring at first. Definitely take it easy on your voice and gradually practice more and more every day. Don't push your voice farther/faster than it wants to go.
If you can hear the resonance change, and you can feel the difference in your breathing (like a raspyness in your throat/trachea) then you're probably doing it right. From there you practice to work out those muscles and to let the other muscles relax more. A bit of column A and a bit of column B.
Thank you for this excellent video! You do a wonderful job explaining (:
I really loved this video. Excited to try it! Much love! Subd
So if I get my Adams apple to move up and back will it stay there on it's own once I do it? as in I won't need more effort to keep it there?
hey! It's been a while since you made the comment, did you find out if it stays there without effort?
@@sheeesh844I haven't been able to get it up in place to begin with lol still have the man voice.
Me wanna have a higher voice ;-; I used to try to make my voice deep cause I was a tomboy but now my voice sounds weirddd ;-;
SAME
this is a terrific video. thanks.
Thanks so much Ada, you to taught me so much more in 24:36, than what I learnt from all my previous speech therapy lessons again thank you so much! :-)