Dude....that's awesome. It amazes me how flat Earth folks can believe something so ridiculous. We need to use CRISPR to fix that problem....it'd probably work on retardation too....they are similar conditions.
TheNeoEnigma this just proves many more people are employed who shouldn’t be actually. What’s the saying? Not all Trumptards are Flat Earthers but all Flat Earthers are Trumptards.
@@Wenyfile People who pretend gravity is a scientific fact are good little boys that don't know that science after the Method is actually done, don't need theories a equations for proof.
@@irishdruidess7391 I used to believe that gravity was a frivolous thing until one day when a man pushed me out a plane. On my way down I passed alongside the Sears Robuck building. At the 13th floor, the elevator door opened and a small, frail black man named Otis gave me a glass. He then leisurely tossed a couple of ice cubes in that same glass and proceeded to pour the Infidel wine.
"I'm not an expert on *blank* so what I'm saying here is speculation." This is a phrase all of us curious types really ought to get familiar with, and I think Krauss deserves a little credit for reminding us of that.
I think you have a valid point... but only to a limit. Intellectuals these days seem to have been very indoctrinated to think they can't scrutinize or think critically about any topic they aren't extremely specialized in. It's gotten to the point where it's too extreme... and everyone feels like they can't question anything... so everyone just ends up "trusting the experts" even when common sense dictates we are being lied to.
@@notloki3377 You don't need to be an expert to see the earth isn't flat. It's simple science. Those who believe in flat earth are denialists or generally gullible people that fail to understand proven science. It's like saying he's not an expert in unicorns, it doesn't give existence in unicorns any credibility.
I like this guy. Articulate, smart obviously but so careful on respecting others regardless of beliefs. He understands why people are people. Where people are driven by Eagle and automatically want to put down and mock others to up lift themselves.
Joe Dirte Randy would get duped. Cartman would join for ulterior motives so he could manipulate people and have power over them. He’d become a leader in the flat earth movement, and he’d try to convince Kyle he really believed it.
Flat earth is a psy op. One of the biggest pieces of evidence for this is that it appeared out of nowhere. Just think 5 years ago who was talking about a flat earth?
My favorite flat earther story I've seen is that flat earth group who are self proclaimed "scientists and skeptics" who do experiments to prove the earth is flat, and they did a bunch and every time the data comes back showing the earth is round, and then they just brush it off and say "okay well the next time we will prove its flat" 😂😂😂 these people are fucking insane lmao!
@@danpals7678 Unfortunately not. I think the most famous case of this happening was flat earthers spending 20k$ to buy a laser gyroscope to show that the Earth is not rotating to measure the exact drift predicted by a rotating round world. They proceeded to proclaim that "Energy from the heavens" must be influencing their measurements. Here is the relevant part of an interview with the guy who did the experiment czcams.com/video/6pf44njV8g0/video.html
There is no such video. There is one video where the producers edited it to make it APPEAR as if they proved Earth is a globe by taking things out of context and lots of sneaky misleading editing. But all the Flat Earthers involved posted the full, unedited experiments on their channels after the Netflix documentary was released, and sure enough the unedited footage proved that Earth lacked curvature actually... and the full footage proved they edited it to be deceptive in the Netflix documentary. It's crazy they can outright intentionally deceive everyone like that... Flat Earthers can even openly prove that's really what occured... and most of the public only watches Netflix while blindly believing what they're seeing so it doesn't even matter.
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter Flat earthers spotted. I'm not but our ancestors found out way back. And now it's clear that earth is round
Imagine people leading hopelessly pointless lives in suburban civilization. Now imagine a percentage of them feel that mostly everything they believe is right, and most of what others tell them is wrong. Imagine some have a brain that seeks confirmation that they're "special, important, unique." Now add internet trolls who professionally BS dumb ideas into existence for a laugh. Sprinkle in some grand conspiracy mumbo-jumbo, and these slightly-autistic simpletons latch on for dear life and use the internet to organize a "movement." = Flat Earth Society
Actually, have a look at the "Myth of the Flat Earth" article on wikipedia. It's a common rebuttal used when I say we've been doing something or had knowledge since the Middle Ages, you refute it with, "Well, people also believed the earth was flat back then. So do you believe that too?" This is actually a myth, they did not. During the 14th century nearly all scholars and the educated had universally accepted the earth as a globe, like the Ancient Greeks did. That's how old this "idea" is. When 200-300 years ago, it became a joke/misconception that people 1500 years ago believed the earth was flat, when in reality that idea died out as early as 2600 years ago. *checkmate atheistz*
More like he's able to change his public views to suit that of his current guest for convenience sake... while maintaining the same private views simultaneously
@Vybz-ut7wk he is a sell out, for sure. Controlled opposition. Hard to say whether he knows Earth is flat, not that it really matters. I mean he's basically a psychopath.
It's embarrassing that people even talk about this. I feel ashamed for myself even clicking on this. It's depressing we're talking about people that believe the earth is flat.
It's amazing how most modern scientists like Krauss have such command of the English language. We are blessed to have these people who can have the audacity to say walk out of the balcony and jump to prove your meaning of gravity. That my friend is the courage of his convictions
It's actually very concerning prominent scientists would say something so silly. It shows he's conflating the theory of gravity (reason WHY heavy objects fall down) with the law of gravitation (law of physics that heavy objects DO fall down). Its not possible to prove gravity by observing that something falls.
@@lightbeforethetunnel more specifically, science allows us to measure and predict the effects of gravity (to an incredible amount of precision), but so far still can't explain "how" it functions.
So you are ok suggesting people commit suicide because they have a different belief than you. It's pieces of dumbshit like you that need to go and top your fucking worthless existence.
now Neil Degrasse Tyson says you cant see the curve from 63 miles, because now there are tourists flying with Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos to 63 miles. Really? Yes. He says that. Why would he say that. It should be clearly curved at that altitude. Very curved. But its not. follow the debate can be hard for newcomers because they hide the videos, but channel names can still be found, Globebusters, NathanOakley, DITRH, Jeranism, Hibbeler Productions just as a start.
Point still stands. Nobody likes hearing about children raised by vulnerable and psychologically unbalanced people. Adults can believe any sort of stupid shit they want, children deserve better chance at life without being setback by moronic parents. There's nothing really funny about the statement tbh.
@@RobinPillage. the only problem with this is thousands if not millions of kids are still brainwashed with other things. How many kids are in cults and leave or religious and they leave? Once you get wind that what you're learning is wrong is only then you get curious enough to learn other things.
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter It's because EVERY (billions of billion) other astronomical body is round; so the probability that ONLY earth is flat, is zero! I haven't witnessed this with my own two eyes, but all the satellites that have taken billions of pictures, and every astronaut/cosmonaut and other essential people would lie about this because... what? WHY?? To uphold some goverment propaganda and/or conspiracy, just because YOU and a fraction of one percent believe so? I'm trying really hard not to take you for a fool or a troll here, but you make it very difficult.. So try, not for me but for your own sake, TRY to pull your head out of your asshole for one second to contemplate and consider the OVERWHELMING facts and evidences that the earth is round. That's all I have to say to you and your like-minded. Keep it MOIST!
Joe: The two observers would only need to note the angle of the sun at local high noon, not at the exact same time. The distance between Alexandria and Syene was 575 miles, and Syene is on the tropic of Capricorn, meaning the sun is directly overhead at the summer solstice. So he measured the angle in Alexandria and did some geometry, as Krauss explained. I won't even touch flat-earth, except that explaining this experiment to a flat-earther just might work ;)
@@flatstuff1630 the towers of the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge are 1.6" farther apart at their tops than at their bases due to the curvature of the earth, despite them both being exactly perpendicular to the surface at their bases. There are plenty of other instances of similar, easily-measurable phenomena. Hell, go out on the open ocean and you can easily see vessels disappear over the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, and all you need is binoculars. They depart visibility and you can only see water from, e.g. the bridge of a ship, yet at the top of the radar mast the distant vessel is still visible. Round earth has been known for millennia and proven for centuries.
Here's the silver bullet for those who can understand it: The stars spin counterclockwise around the north star but clockwise around the southern cross. This is only explainable with a globe. The flat earth model cannot explain this. Also, the lamp-shaded sun in the flat earth model would look cut-off early and late in the day. Not a good look.
@Paul Muszynski , the globe is run off of presuppositions. Take a look into angular perspective geometry. Nothing works on a globe. Looking to the sky to identify the ground, not a good look. It's a religion no different than government/statism. It's run off of beliefs and presuppositions.
Yes it's fine to question, but the problem starts when people think they know it all and so they automatically reject the answers to their questions :-|
His arguments weren't rational at all, although they seem to be designed to appear to be to people who don't understand science very well. For example, his example with the shadows in the well gets the exact same results on a Flat Earth with a local sun as it does on a globe earth with a sun millions of miles away. So he's just left assuming one model over the other for no reason... a begging-the-question fallacy. Then his comment that jumping off a balcony would prove gravity is laughably ignorant. Flat Earthers are disputing the reason WHY heavy objects fall down (theory of gravity) not that heavy objects DO fall down (law of gravitation). We're in big trouble if even our top scientists conflate science and physics like that.
Nah, flatearther are straight up ignorant about science people and it is ok to be ignorant, everyone is about something, the main problem is that they do not recognize they are ignorant
Lawrence Krauss has such an excellent way of approaching these issues. I appreciate his humility vs others who condescend over these issues (Neil deGrasse Tyson comes to mind). It's refreshing to see a scientist that legitimately sympathizes with people with ignorant tendencies.
uhhh, maybe you should watch more of their stuff. krauss is pretty well known for his biting sarcasm towards "unlightened" religious nematodes. ironically it is tyson that believes more in the more patient teaching approach.
Lawrence Krauss the guy who admitted the evidence shows that the Earth is in fact in the center and "woah, thats crazy. Is the Copernican principle coming back to haunt us?" He's so smart that every argument he made against flat earth was a strawman fallacy built upon immense intellectual ineptitude.
I love when actual logical people are on here and not people with political agendas that sway right and left. These conversations are the best because they’re about humanity, the conditions and irrefutable fact. The politics are so annoying. Political affiliation undermines the individual’s ability to decide on each and every single instance as a singular being. Instead they’re tethered to a group. It’s disgusting
4 years ago, but a great great comment. in my view you hit directly upon one of the biggest problems - if not THE biggest problem - facing humanity today
@@notloki3377 There is a lot of misinformation people go around touting as evidence in this world. We are definitely not sitting on some society breaking secret like a flat earth lol
@@notloki3377 School, research, engaging in conversatiom with not just like-minded people, but with differing opinions as well. Im not saying I have the answers, but I would so much rather keep my moutb shut and be an observer before being lpud and confidently incorrect
@@rajgill7576 my problem with the science types like Lawrence is that they use "evidence" as a club to beat down their ideological opponents and overestimate the degree to which science and its dogmas can calculate reality. This arrogance leads them to say things such as "if you don't believe gravity, you can test it by walking out a window before you reproduce."
I don't believe in the flat-earthers theory, and it's been too long a time since flat-bred's touched my lips. One thing I know for sure... Texas is flat! Why just the other day I saw Billy Bob take out his big blue taw-marble in the gritty little town of Brownsville. He placed it in a circle... released it...and let it find its own way. Dontcha know that that old taw-marble rolled east to west at such a slow speed they had to get Cactus Jack to keep up with it.
He assumes that the sun works the same way on a flat earth as it does on a globe earth. If a street light was moving around your neighborhood, it could be illuminating your neighbor's house and not yours, despite your neighborhood not being curved.
Just a question as I am confused . I am Australian and live there and notice changes in Joe's thoughts and attitudes towards certain subjects , some political ! Could that be because of the involvement of Spotify now ? I am truly wondering about this . Has he been told to adjust his attitudes ???????
Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in ancient times and was very close. Later Posidonius calculated it later and was off by about 6000 miles. Columbus believed Posidonius. He sailed the ocean to the west and at about the right distance, according to Posidonius, he ran into "the "Indies."
@Inkosi-Inathi Memani lol no. In a world where just watching the Sun tells you which way is east or west, how do you imagine he would've made a mistake of that magnitude, every day for weeks on end?
I was a flat earther for 12yrs, but since the woke communists told me "You can identify as anyone you want", I started identifying as Superman ! I've since flown around the world many times and can clarify that the Earths...Round !
When you are a cosmologist who is also a strong advocate of public understanding of science, like Mr. Kraus, you really have to be well equipped in explaining things that were fundamental. It was Eratosten who did shadow measures of objects at same time on different positions and geometry that proved Earth curvature. It's even really well explained in Carl Sagan's original Cosmos...
Eratosthenes's experiment obtains the exact same results for the shadows mathematically if it's assumed: 1) Earth is flat with a sun 3,100 miles away, or 2) Earth is spherical with a sun millions of miles away (which he assumed) Its a textbook begging-the-question fallacy. It works the same on both models so he's just left assuming one model over the other for literally no reason
funciona nos dois modelos. mas no modelo globo assume-se que os raios solares chegam paralelos na terra enquanto no modelo plano os raios são diagonais. Eu observando o Sol, especialmente entre nuvens o que vejo são raios DIAGONAIS 😜
You don't even have to think about it. The government has my best interest. Neil deGrasse Tyson has said the Earth is a oblique or pear-shaped. NASA says it's round sphere. Which one of the governments two CGI images are real?
If it really was electromagnetic waves instead of gravity, people could wear magnets and levitate. Joe: "There's a man in Idaho who was found dead and covered in magnets at the bottom of a ravine."
*Derik Roberts* Very few FErs will posit 'magnetism' for the reason things fall down, most say that more dense objects sink through less dense mediums - all the while failing to explain why 'down', especially when 'up' would be more logical in that case.
*Matthew Coolness* Yes, yes it is. *Kosator* You release oxytocin when seeing 'some person' because your instinct makes an assessment of their breeding potential based on their body shape and other attributes and factors.
True but some people don't have desires for children and reproduction, but still find love. Some people don't look for love and still find it... there are always going to be instances that can't be explained through science...
@@yellowbelly7863 That is absolutely explained by science. These systems aren't foolproof, and our cognition and culture can amplify or negate them. The ability to decide whether or not to have kids is not a disproof of the science of "love" as described by OP. It is explained using... ...more science.
@@hhiippiittyy like Morphic Resonance. Tried and tested by science. Proved to be true. Yet, science calls it psuedo science. Structured water. Proved also. Same classification as above. Some parts of science is clearly b.s. For instance: Macro evolution. Not enough evidence in the fossil record.
I would say it's explained away by that for people who don't like things being unknown.. You can explain away any phenomenon if you use Darwin as a whipping boy for your poor philosophy.
As a Christian I'm a big fan of science. I know the earth is not flat, I know the dinosaurs existed, and man landed on the moon. If your an atheist I'm cool with it because I have family and friends who do not believe In the flying spaghetti monster like I do. Great video.🍝
That is so refreshing. Thank you! I regard myself to be a humanist but I do believe in a personal God, the soul, and some kind of afterlife. However I do think that in the here and now we should put people first and nature first. They have to come before technology and artificial intelligence. All we have is this small, fragile planet for a home (shut up Elon Musk!) and the the best, most honest way to honor God is to take care of our home, acknowledge our place in, and not over, nature, be good to ourselves and to each other. ❤😊
well, to be fair Gravity technically "does not exist" if you're going with Einstein's definition based on relativity, as opposed to the Newtonian definition whereas gravity was a force
Carl Sagan once said that being a scientist is not more mentally harder than being a stock trader or accountant or other sort of jobs, but the difference is being able to put aside their agenda of confirming their own beliefs.
How do you know Australia is upside down? North being Up and South being Down are human creations. YOU could be the one that's upside down, buddy. How do you feel??
@@kevinskinner4986 I was being sarcastic. Nobody is upside down. And water doesn't stick and float upside down. I'm just making fun of Rogan and Krauss for believing that it does.
The only thing flat-earthers fear, is sphere itself.
im a flat earther..but you....you sir are a god
Dude....that's awesome. It amazes me how flat Earth folks can believe something so ridiculous. We need to use CRISPR to fix that problem....it'd probably work on retardation too....they are similar conditions.
@@snootwallace5555 yessir
If I see this pun one more time I swear I'm gonna become a flat earther just in spite...
awwwwwwh shit
At this point, no fiber of my being can believe that flat-earthers aren’t participating in the greatest troll in the history of mankind.
~80-85% are just shitposting trolls. The rest seem to believe or are making money off the lies.
I concur that someone started the flat earth meme to troll ignorant people, and it has unfortunately revealed how many stupid people are out there.
Timothy Kaldis this made me instantly think of Trump & his desire for attention & these DmbStpdFks believe his lies & HERE WE ARE!😡😒
Francisco Nz Do you mean the under 5 percent unemployment rate and the stock market breaking 29,000? Yeah, okay libtard.
TheNeoEnigma this just proves many more people are employed who shouldn’t be actually. What’s the saying? Not all Trumptards are Flat Earthers but all Flat Earthers are Trumptards.
Didn’t know how much I liked the old studio until I saw an old clip
It’s his new lightning I’m not much of a fan of.
4:47 Lawrence Krauss.exe has stopped working...
Sounds like a toad busting a nutt
"Do it before you reproduce."
Brilliant Lawrence Krauss!!
This make me chuckle!
Fuck that malicious shit. That's not productive.
The truth is in the jest.
@@Wenyfile People who pretend gravity is a scientific fact are good little boys that don't know that science after the Method is actually done, don't need theories a equations for proof.
@@irishdruidess7391
I used to believe that gravity was a frivolous thing
until one day when a man pushed me out a plane.
On my way down I passed alongside the Sears Robuck building. At the 13th floor, the elevator door opened and a small, frail black man named Otis gave me a glass.
He then leisurely tossed a couple of ice cubes in that same glass and proceeded to pour the Infidel wine.
"I'm not an expert on *blank* so what I'm saying here is speculation." This is a phrase all of us curious types really ought to get familiar with, and I think Krauss deserves a little credit for reminding us of that.
He's not an expert on flat earth, yet he presumes to be
@@notloki3377 no one with a brain can be an expert on flat earth...
@@ji-di7zr muh logical fallacy
I think you have a valid point... but only to a limit. Intellectuals these days seem to have been very indoctrinated to think they can't scrutinize or think critically about any topic they aren't extremely specialized in. It's gotten to the point where it's too extreme... and everyone feels like they can't question anything... so everyone just ends up "trusting the experts" even when common sense dictates we are being lied to.
@@notloki3377 You don't need to be an expert to see the earth isn't flat. It's simple science. Those who believe in flat earth are denialists or generally gullible people that fail to understand proven science.
It's like saying he's not an expert in unicorns, it doesn't give existence in unicorns any credibility.
I like this guy. Articulate, smart obviously but so careful on respecting others regardless of beliefs. He understands why people are people. Where people are driven by Eagle and automatically want to put down and mock others to up lift themselves.
If that wasn't the most convafuckingluted thing I've heard all day, I'd be fucked
Eagle? You mean American pride and pride in general, ego and such things?
"do it before you reproduce" i absolutely loved that lmao
Yeah so good - I agree 😂😂
😂😂😂Got it too
Yep, hate speech
They need an episode where Cartman gets converted into a devoted flat earther
😂
Joe Dirte Randy would get duped. Cartman would join for ulterior motives so he could manipulate people and have power over them. He’d become a leader in the flat earth movement, and he’d try to convince Kyle he really believed it.
Cartman is a fat girther.
@ Joe Dirte Yeah Randy fasho lmao
YES!!!
the earth is 4 kilometers deep and filled with oompa loompas
kyle Brown I feel like they should've been called boompa Doompas
LMAOOOO and lemmings
i could get behind this
kyle Brown I tought is was filled with happy meals so this is a big dissapointment
Flat earth is a psy op. One of the biggest pieces of evidence for this is that it appeared out of nowhere. Just think 5 years ago who was talking about a flat earth?
“You don’t want to become so open minded that the wind can whistle between your ears”
- Terrence McKenna
When people say Im closed minded l ask them if they have raped or murdered a child..or are THEY closed minded to that..
@@only1too what? Type of cringe shit is this? What do u even mean by this ?
"Do it before you reproduce"😂😂😂 I see what he did there
When Rogan says "some people", he's talking about bravo
Oh Boy lol that's for sure
Lol
Hahahahaa
Who’s bravo
@@ka-boom2083 Eddie Bravo
The Flat-Earther's Toolkit: "respond to every criticism with, 'YOU SHOULD DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH HURRRRRRRR!!!'"
My favorite flat earther story I've seen is that flat earth group who are self proclaimed "scientists and skeptics" who do experiments to prove the earth is flat, and they did a bunch and every time the data comes back showing the earth is round, and then they just brush it off and say "okay well the next time we will prove its flat" 😂😂😂 these people are fucking insane lmao!
Well, flat earth theory must explain why people go missing. They all followed Jimmy Hoffa right over the edge!
Bullshit
@@danpals7678 Unfortunately not. I think the most famous case of this happening was flat earthers spending 20k$ to buy a laser gyroscope to show that the Earth is not rotating to measure the exact drift predicted by a rotating round world. They proceeded to proclaim that "Energy from the heavens" must be influencing their measurements. Here is the relevant part of an interview with the guy who did the experiment czcams.com/video/6pf44njV8g0/video.html
Sounds like the covid paranoids thinking it's 100x more deadly than it is lol.
The media is at fault for most of that
There is no such video. There is one video where the producers edited it to make it APPEAR as if they proved Earth is a globe by taking things out of context and lots of sneaky misleading editing. But all the Flat Earthers involved posted the full, unedited experiments on their channels after the Netflix documentary was released, and sure enough the unedited footage proved that Earth lacked curvature actually... and the full footage proved they edited it to be deceptive in the Netflix documentary.
It's crazy they can outright intentionally deceive everyone like that... Flat Earthers can even openly prove that's really what occured... and most of the public only watches Netflix while blindly believing what they're seeing so it doesn't even matter.
In my country, even dog knows earth is round.
We are quit scientific just because we don't have a common sets of belief I guess
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter Flat earthers spotted. I'm not but our ancestors found out way back. And now it's clear that earth is round
Like the dog in dogma and the bull in bullshit. Earth is flat and there are many future hell fuel zealot liars.
Dog is closing in on Brian Laundrie.
I actually can't fathom how in 2017, flat-earth is still a talking point.
Luke Robertson Its the current year, therefore some bullshit.
The answer is real easy... The internet.
Imagine people leading hopelessly pointless lives in suburban civilization. Now imagine a percentage of them feel that mostly everything they believe is right, and most of what others tell them is wrong. Imagine some have a brain that seeks confirmation that they're "special, important, unique." Now add internet trolls who professionally BS dumb ideas into existence for a laugh. Sprinkle in some grand conspiracy mumbo-jumbo, and these slightly-autistic simpletons latch on for dear life and use the internet to organize a "movement." = Flat Earth Society
Actually, have a look at the "Myth of the Flat Earth" article on wikipedia. It's a common rebuttal used when I say we've been doing something or had knowledge since the Middle Ages, you refute it with, "Well, people also believed the earth was flat back then. So do you believe that too?" This is actually a myth, they did not. During the 14th century nearly all scholars and the educated had universally accepted the earth as a globe, like the Ancient Greeks did.
That's how old this "idea" is. When 200-300 years ago, it became a joke/misconception that people 1500 years ago believed the earth was flat, when in reality that idea died out as early as 2600 years ago. *checkmate atheistz*
Its funny to see someone call other people trolls when this is the 5th comment ive seen you on. Troll.
Saw a flatass the other day
Not a good idea to talk about your wife on CZcams.
France? 80's lesbians?
You eyeing my girl?
in the mirror
@@RubbinRobbin Nah, not his wife. Else he would have said "everyday" instead of "the other day"
4:35 LMAO the smile on Lawrence's face after he said that they should do it before they reproduce is priceless.
"Test your hypothesis from the 13th story, and do it before you reproduce" 😂😂😂😂
I love how Mr. Rogan is able to change his views based on new information. Go Joe Rogan.
More like he's able to change his public views to suit that of his current guest for convenience sake... while maintaining the same private views simultaneously
@@lightbeforethetunnel Yeah, this was from four years ago. I have changed my views based on new information.
good trait to have!
@@lightbeforethetunneljoe is clearly flat earther just sell out
@Vybz-ut7wk he is a sell out, for sure. Controlled opposition. Hard to say whether he knows Earth is flat, not that it really matters. I mean he's basically a psychopath.
"and the great thing is , do it before you reproduce" LMAOO
“Do it before you reproduce” golden 😂😂
4:42 😅😂 Didn't know we had a stand-up comedian in our midsts
It's embarrassing that people even talk about this. I feel ashamed for myself even clicking on this. It's depressing we're talking about people that believe the earth is flat.
yeah luther, wake up. The earth is flat and we are all just sugar particles on gods flapjack
I think it's embarrassing people blindly follow quacks like Krauss. The Earth is flat. look it up
Sly McGee you sir, are one blind fucktard
lol "look it up". don't reproduce dude
Sly McGee "It's on Flat Earth forums so it must be true"
I love it when Joe has scientists on the podcast
me too...they keep my mind open
Ken wheeler and Eric Dollard are real scientists
@@nickgurpleez2628 well if covid 19 and 2021 proved something is that you cant even trust the science lel.
Science is knowledgeable facts . You don’t believe facts?
Scientist? LOL this guy is not a scientist. He's a Scientism priest.
This should be the highest rated podcast. Mark my words.
I’m really impressed joe recognized the error of the experiment and limitations of the time
Chicken dollars
I love how honest and humble Krauss is here.
I click on videos about flat earth to read comments, quality entertainment
me too
Real good entertainment
There's a skit where Jimmy Kimmel's intern goes to a flat Earth convention that is hilarious.
It's amazing how most modern scientists like Krauss have such command of the English language. We are blessed to have these people who can have the audacity to say walk out of the balcony and jump to prove your meaning of gravity. That my friend is the courage of his convictions
It's actually very concerning prominent scientists would say something so silly. It shows he's conflating the theory of gravity (reason WHY heavy objects fall down) with the law of gravitation (law of physics that heavy objects DO fall down). Its not possible to prove gravity by observing that something falls.
@@lightbeforethetunnel more specifically, science allows us to measure and predict the effects of gravity (to an incredible amount of precision), but so far still can't explain "how" it functions.
4:46, "do it before you reproduce". This guy understands me.
So you are ok suggesting people commit suicide because they have a different belief than you. It's pieces of dumbshit like you that need to go and top your fucking worthless existence.
"The easiest person to fool is yourself" well said krauss
now Neil Degrasse Tyson says you cant see the curve from 63 miles, because now there are tourists flying with Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos to 63 miles. Really? Yes. He says that. Why would he say that. It should be clearly curved at that altitude. Very curved. But its not.
follow the debate can be hard for newcomers because they hide the videos, but channel names can still be found, Globebusters, NathanOakley, DITRH, Jeranism, Hibbeler Productions just as a start.
feynman
joe rogan only has tr44nnies on his show.
bunch of fucking liars. the end.
I feel like Democrats are the easiest people to fool.
This conversation is fascinating
i like this guys attitude... so much pride in human intelligence🤟
Lawrence "The Universe doesn't give a shit about me" Krauss😭😂😂
He said this as i was reading it 🤣
Physics teacher mma fighter
"..and do it before you reproduce" :D Best comment I've ever heard about the flat earthers.
Hmmm... Your boi Joe didn't even snicker. Which is why Larry felt he should repeat it. Again, crickets from Joe.
Point still stands. Nobody likes hearing about children raised by vulnerable and psychologically unbalanced people. Adults can believe any sort of stupid shit they want, children deserve better chance at life without being setback by moronic parents.
There's nothing really funny about the statement tbh.
@@RobinPillage. the only problem with this is thousands if not millions of kids are still brainwashed with other things. How many kids are in cults and leave or religious and they leave? Once you get wind that what you're learning is wrong is only then you get curious enough to learn other things.
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter It's because EVERY (billions of billion) other astronomical body is round; so the probability that ONLY earth is flat, is zero! I haven't witnessed this with my own two eyes, but all the satellites that have taken billions of pictures, and every astronaut/cosmonaut and other essential people would lie about this because... what? WHY?? To uphold some goverment propaganda and/or conspiracy, just because YOU and a fraction of one percent believe so?
I'm trying really hard not to take you for a fool or a troll here, but you make it very difficult.. So try, not for me but for your own sake, TRY to pull your head out of your asshole for one second to contemplate and consider the OVERWHELMING facts and evidences that the earth is round.
That's all I have to say to you and your like-minded.
Keep it MOIST!
It's also a very scientific and mature rebuttal. He just doesn't want to think about it, so he says KYS like a 14 year old white sjw on twitter.
love hearing lawrence krauss talk
I can't find the full interview.. any links? cheers
Joe: The two observers would only need to note the angle of the sun at local high noon, not at the exact same time. The distance between Alexandria and Syene was 575 miles, and Syene is on the tropic of Capricorn, meaning the sun is directly overhead at the summer solstice. So he measured the angle in Alexandria and did some geometry, as Krauss explained. I won't even touch flat-earth, except that explaining this experiment to a flat-earther just might work ;)
Works on a globe AND a flat earth. I've yet to find an experiment that works ONLY on a globe.
@@flatstuff1630 the towers of the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge are 1.6" farther apart at their tops than at their bases due to the curvature of the earth, despite them both being exactly perpendicular to the surface at their bases. There are plenty of other instances of similar, easily-measurable phenomena. Hell, go out on the open ocean and you can easily see vessels disappear over the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, and all you need is binoculars. They depart visibility and you can only see water from, e.g. the bridge of a ship, yet at the top of the radar mast the distant vessel is still visible. Round earth has been known for millennia and proven for centuries.
@jsquared1013 , just stop, dude. Flat Stuff is telling you the truth.
Here's the silver bullet for those who can understand it: The stars spin counterclockwise around the north star but clockwise around the southern cross. This is only explainable with a globe. The flat earth model cannot explain this. Also, the lamp-shaded sun in the flat earth model would look cut-off early and late in the day. Not a good look.
@Paul Muszynski , the globe is run off of presuppositions. Take a look into angular perspective geometry. Nothing works on a globe. Looking to the sky to identify the ground, not a good look. It's a religion no different than government/statism. It's run off of beliefs and presuppositions.
"BEWARE OF DOGMA". Great fukn advice right there.
Blue Night Grinner there is no dogma tho
the dogma now is that the earth is spherical,he should take his own advise
I’m putting a sign at the end of my driveway “beware of dogma”
@@jeffreygrant2640 and most of the people here too. Blinded by scientific Dogma
Those conspiracy theorists again... except for when you have firm evidence there is a conspiracy
Joe knows his LSD )) Good episode
I love the concept of questioning even the theories and concepts you hold dear.
Yes it's fine to question, but the problem starts when people think they know it all and so they automatically reject the answers to their questions :-|
@@yazzamx6380 agreed
I appreciate the way he stated that in a rational manner without jumping to call flat earthers stupid as many people do
We all should listen to other perspectives before we jump to conclusions. The world would be a much better place!
His arguments weren't rational at all, although they seem to be designed to appear to be to people who don't understand science very well.
For example, his example with the shadows in the well gets the exact same results on a Flat Earth with a local sun as it does on a globe earth with a sun millions of miles away. So he's just left assuming one model over the other for no reason... a begging-the-question fallacy.
Then his comment that jumping off a balcony would prove gravity is laughably ignorant. Flat Earthers are disputing the reason WHY heavy objects fall down (theory of gravity) not that heavy objects DO fall down (law of gravitation).
We're in big trouble if even our top scientists conflate science and physics like that.
@@lightbeforethetunnel His arguments are not rational? Why are yours, if you have any?
Nah, flatearther are straight up ignorant about science people and it is ok to be ignorant, everyone is about something, the main problem is that they do not recognize they are ignorant
@@msrodrigues2000 talk about ignorance lol
Lawrence Krauss has such an excellent way of approaching these issues. I appreciate his humility vs others who condescend over these issues (Neil deGrasse Tyson comes to mind). It's refreshing to see a scientist that legitimately sympathizes with people with ignorant tendencies.
uhhh, maybe you should watch more of their stuff. krauss is pretty well known for his biting sarcasm towards "unlightened" religious nematodes. ironically it is tyson that believes more in the more patient teaching approach.
@@JS-xu1so they are both great.
You just called me ignorant earth is flat wake up sheeple
Lawrence Krauss the guy who admitted the evidence shows that the Earth is in fact in the center and "woah, thats crazy. Is the Copernican principle coming back to haunt us?" He's so smart that every argument he made against flat earth was a strawman fallacy built upon immense intellectual ineptitude.
@@Witsit What definition of idiot does one in fact, find you?
Wow, they talked about so much more cool topics than in the title. Gotta look this guy up
Flat earthers may live in a two dimensional reality. Just not wired for 3D reception yet.
Flat earthers are playing 8d chess, you're downloading all your information one dimensionally from NASA.
@@notloki3377😂😂loser
@@notloki33778d isn't real kid.
@@amongussus4 you can set my balls directly in your mouth. It's a description of a space with eight independent dimensions of measurability.
Duuuuuude, Lawrence Krauss!, I'm liking the JRE the more and more I get into it
I love when actual logical people are on here and not people with political agendas that sway right and left. These conversations are the best because they’re about humanity, the conditions and irrefutable fact. The politics are so annoying. Political affiliation undermines the individual’s ability to decide on each and every single instance as a singular being. Instead they’re tethered to a group. It’s disgusting
4 years ago, but a great great comment. in my view you hit directly upon one of the biggest problems - if not THE biggest problem - facing humanity today
this is probably the most well spoken youtube comment ive ever seen
I wish I could ignore evidence, its like a superpower to these flat earthers
You ignore plenty of evidence that you don't agree with all the time.
@@notloki3377 There is a lot of misinformation people go around touting as evidence in this world. We are definitely not sitting on some society breaking secret like a flat earth lol
@@rajgill7576 how do you know that you're not the one who is misinformed? and furthermore, how do you qualify misinformation?
@@notloki3377 School, research, engaging in conversatiom with not just like-minded people, but with differing opinions as well.
Im not saying I have the answers, but I would so much rather keep my moutb shut and be an observer before being lpud and confidently incorrect
@@rajgill7576 my problem with the science types like Lawrence is that they use "evidence" as a club to beat down their ideological opponents and overestimate the degree to which science and its dogmas can calculate reality. This arrogance leads them to say things such as "if you don't believe gravity, you can test it by walking out a window before you reproduce."
I agree with the the closed captions at 8:18
"It's a psychological pizza". The wisdom of AI speech recognition blows my mind
I suppose you're also going to say that there is no Flatbread?
brigham2250 tuna flat bread= sexy time. 😁
There is no flatbread, only pizza :p
I hate flatbread
I don't believe in the flat-earthers theory, and it's been too long a time since flat-bred's touched my lips.
One thing I know for sure... Texas is flat!
Why just the other day I saw Billy Bob take out his big blue taw-marble in the gritty little town of Brownsville.
He placed it in a circle... released it...and let it find its own way.
Dontcha know that that old taw-marble rolled east to west at such a slow speed they had to get Cactus Jack to keep up with it.
Eddie cries as he plots his vengeance.
ace3241987 tower 7!
LOL
Super smart host! Loved it!
When I first heard there were people who believe the earth is flat I thought they were joking.
Lawrence krauss is always fun and educational
Where is Eddie when he's supposed to be here? He could've looked into it.
He ain't wrong bro look into it 😂
@@carancole5974 hahaha
“The greatest disorder of the mind is to allow the will to direct the belief”
-Louis Pasteur
Louis Pasteur rots in hell
@@devensgate lol bro what’s your beef with Louis Pasteur?
6:14; the best reply to any flat earth argument.
He assumes that the sun works the same way on a flat earth as it does on a globe earth. If a street light was moving around your neighborhood, it could be illuminating your neighbor's house and not yours, despite your neighborhood not being curved.
Step out of a 13th floor window. Test gravity. Bring the magnet. I think he wants to see it. Hell, I'd watch with him.
4:36 Ice cold, man! 😂
Just a question as I am confused . I am Australian and live there and notice changes in Joe's thoughts and attitudes towards certain subjects , some political ! Could that be because of the involvement of Spotify now ? I am truly wondering about this . Has he been told to adjust his attitudes ???????
I will never get used to joe calling me a freak b*tch at when I’m watching CZcams at 3 am
7:50 that's Ken Ham, they are talkin bout him :D
"Soyence." -Lawrence Krauss
😂
"Walk out of the window before you reproduce!" HAHAHA Classic!!
Great guest Joe.....I like the way Lawrence talks.....n thinks.....Adios fer now Amigo......
Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in ancient times and was very close. Later Posidonius calculated it later and was off by about 6000 miles. Columbus believed Posidonius. He sailed the ocean to the west and at about the right distance, according to Posidonius, he ran into "the "Indies."
@Inkosi-Inathi Memani lol no. In a world where just watching the Sun tells you which way is east or west, how do you imagine he would've made a mistake of that magnitude, every day for weeks on end?
Yes, I love how he said we all have psychological pitfalls including the two of you. It's true, we're all flawed in some way.
WHY ARE THERE TIMEZONES! Bless this man!
Lawrence Krauss seems like an extraordinarily reasonable & logical fellow of excellent common sense. Very good.
Not at all. Everything he said in this indicates he's not an actual scientist, but a Scientism priest instead.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Get lost.
Wow that Gary Oldman is a really smart guy!
he described eddie bravo so well lol
That was the Pythagorean theorem method, but I suspect the calculation could also be done by timing the number of days between equinoxes... maybe.
I was a flat earther for 12yrs, but since the woke communists told me "You can identify as anyone you want", I started identifying as Superman ! I've since flown around the world many times and can clarify that the Earths...Round !
When you are a cosmologist who is also a strong advocate of public understanding of science, like Mr. Kraus, you really have to be well equipped in explaining things that were fundamental.
It was Eratosten who did shadow measures of objects at same time on different positions and geometry that proved Earth curvature. It's even really well explained in Carl Sagan's original Cosmos...
Eratosthenes's experiment obtains the exact same results for the shadows mathematically if it's assumed:
1) Earth is flat with a sun 3,100 miles away, or
2) Earth is spherical with a sun millions of miles away (which he assumed)
Its a textbook begging-the-question fallacy. It works the same on both models so he's just left assuming one model over the other for literally no reason
funciona nos dois modelos. mas no modelo globo assume-se que os raios solares chegam paralelos na terra enquanto no modelo plano os raios são diagonais. Eu observando o Sol, especialmente entre nuvens o que vejo são raios DIAGONAIS 😜
It's amazing how much trust people put into the government
It's fucking insane when you think about it.
You don't even have to think about it. The government has my best interest. Neil deGrasse Tyson has said the Earth is a oblique or pear-shaped. NASA says it's round sphere. Which one of the governments two CGI images are real?
It’s not just the government saying the earth is round. You can test it for yourself.
What brand glasses frames is krauss wearing?
We need him on the show again
If it really was electromagnetic waves instead of gravity, people could wear magnets and levitate.
Joe: "There's a man in Idaho who was found dead and covered in magnets at the bottom of a ravine."
Big Magnet killed him
which is why the hover board thing from the movie Back to the Future will never be true.
*Derik Roberts* Very few FErs will posit 'magnetism' for the reason things fall down, most say that more dense objects sink through less dense mediums - all the while failing to explain why 'down', especially when 'up' would be more logical in that case.
Funniest line @ 4:41 or so jump out of 14 floor before you reproduce, Joe misses it! Lawrence, YOU KILL ME!
Flat earthers can't even explain an eclipse
Because the Moon magically travels West to East every so often right?
Lawrence Krause is a genius
Isn’t “Love” explained by the release of oxytocin, the reward centers in our brains, & our unconscious need to move our genes into the future?
*Matthew Coolness* Yes, yes it is.
*Kosator* You release oxytocin when seeing 'some person' because your instinct makes an assessment of their breeding potential based on their body shape and other attributes and factors.
True but some people don't have desires for children and reproduction, but still find love. Some people don't look for love and still find it... there are always going to be instances that can't be explained through science...
@@yellowbelly7863
That is absolutely explained by science.
These systems aren't foolproof, and our cognition and culture can amplify or negate them.
The ability to decide whether or not to have kids is not a disproof of the science of "love" as described by OP.
It is explained using...
...more science.
@@hhiippiittyy
like Morphic Resonance.
Tried and tested by science.
Proved to be true.
Yet, science calls it psuedo science.
Structured water. Proved also.
Same classification as above.
Some parts of science is clearly b.s.
For instance:
Macro evolution.
Not enough evidence in the fossil record.
I would say it's explained away by that for people who don't like things being unknown.. You can explain away any phenomenon if you use Darwin as a whipping boy for your poor philosophy.
This guy reminds me of the dinosaur from Toy Story. Especially the little bit younger version of him we've all seen on TV programs.
As a Christian I'm a big fan of science. I know the earth is not flat, I know the dinosaurs existed, and man landed on the moon. If your an atheist I'm cool with it because I have family and friends who do not believe In the flying spaghetti monster like I do. Great video.🍝
Great post!
That is so refreshing. Thank you! I regard myself to be a humanist but I do believe in a personal God, the soul, and some kind of afterlife. However I do think that in the here and now we should put people first and nature first. They have to come before technology and artificial intelligence. All we have is this small, fragile planet for a home (shut up Elon Musk!) and the the best, most honest way to honor God is to take care of our home, acknowledge our place in, and not over, nature, be good to ourselves and to each other. ❤😊
Damn this video must keep flat earthers up at night. If they could ever get through it.
If I just saw a picture of this guy without hearing him talk and you asked me what he did I'd know this man loves to say the word "science"
He really does have the stereotypical scientist look
well, to be fair Gravity technically "does not exist" if you're going with Einstein's definition based on relativity, as opposed to the Newtonian definition whereas gravity was a force
You was ahead of your time with that comment
Newton didnt actually know what gravity was...
His formula helped Einstein nail it down.
Carl Sagan explained how Eratoshenes conducted his experiment on Cosmos.
People in the Middle Ages didn’t believe the earth was flat. Even the church accepted the fact that the earth was round during this period.
Its ironic that this video's category is Comedy !
They have flat-earthers have a yearly convention, it's such a big event that members come from all over the globe to attend.
'Our theory is sweeping the globe!" Actual FEer quote
All two of them!
You said global
"The sun rises every day." Haha, that must prove you dumb.
I was today years old when I learnt that Newton was the saviour of victims of Witch trials.
1:25 what theory was that?
4:46
Yeyeyeyeyeeee, welll they, yeyeyea that's what they can think
Carl Sagan once said that being a scientist is not more mentally harder than being a stock trader or accountant or other sort of jobs, but the difference is being able to put aside their agenda of confirming their own beliefs.
More like putting aside science for whatever agenda is funding them... hilarious that people have no clue how money runs the entire world
Everyone is walking upside down right now in Australia. The ocean is sticking upside down as well. Makes a lot of sense.
You just down know what down is.
Relative to you, yes they are.
How do you know Australia is upside down? North being Up and South being Down are human creations. YOU could be the one that's upside down, buddy. How do you feel??
@@kevinskinner4986 I was being sarcastic. Nobody is upside down. And water doesn't stick and float upside down. I'm just making fun of Rogan and Krauss for believing that it does.
I like how CZcams thinks a advisory to Wikipedia will convince the flat earth people.