Amazing Custom Snare Drum! DrumDial Snare Drum Tuning.
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- DrumDial's custom M4 Snare Drum. Shows the complete build from raw lumber to the finished snare drum. Includes tuning tips and all of the components that went into the custom build. Features: S-Hoops, Tight Screws, Sleeved Washers, Dunnett R7 Throw Off, and Fat Cat Dual Snares.
the tuning is absolutely spot on. I was surprised at the lack of fluctuation. That is actually really impressive. What a beautifully made snare drum.
Best drum product ever made! I've been playing since I was 10 (53 now) and always got a decent sound and was sought out for advice a lot, but really was winging it. I remember the torque wrench in the 80's which sucked, obviously. Always a challenge to get 2 kick drums to sound the same in my career. 5 minutes with one of these on a 10" tom blew my mind. My friend owns a studio and bought one as he is not a drummer. His little Yammy kit sounded like angels pissing in my ears so I went and got one. I tell everyone to just BUY one.
Really nice sounding snare! Fat and sensitive.
wow... that snare is so cool... i don't even care about the sound, it just looks so dammed cool....
Wow. Great sound at the end!
Informative top level presentation
Good video. Very informative. I love my Drum Dial. Best investment I've EVER made in a drum accessory.
Hate those S Hoops though. In my experience, they take too much crack out of rim shots...makes 'em sound dull and thuddy.
I have read that the way to get a crisp. clean sounding snare drum is to tension the snare head a little tighter than the batter head. This of course is what those of us who like our snare a little tighter as opposed to the "thud" or muddy sounding snare drums.
Thank you for the excellent comment! You are partially correct. The snare head should be tuned to a higher "pitch" than the batter head (not tensioned higher). If you were to tighten a standard 3 mil to 5 mil snare head much past 85 on the DrumDial, the head would just stretch and eventually break at around 90. Most batter heads are tuned to 89-90 and higher. A thinner head will always have a much higher pitch than a thicker head tuned to the same tension. We recommend tuning the snare side head never tighter than 82.
A 5 mil head tuned to 82 will still have a higher pitch than a 10 mil head tuned to 90.
that sounds amazing!
That is amazing! I am confused about one little thing though…mathematically 2/3 off should be the same thing as 1/3 on.
If it was 2/3 off and 1/3 off OR 1/3 on and 2/3 on I would understand, but I don't quite get it.
+zyxw vut You are correct! That is confusing. I misspoke and should have said "off, 1/3 on, 2/3 on and full on" , as it is a 3 position throw off! Thank you for pointing that out.
I would love to hear this same same with die cast hoops, it has a great body and fundamental tone, but is lacking in the crack and pop that us hillbilly kido's love :) Could just be the recording style, but the few snares I've played with super hoops I have HATED those hoops. I want to try them on toms though where rim shots aren't important...
Thanks Joshua! Die cast and a higher top head setting along with much tighter snare wire tension will give us that traditional "crack" and "pop" sound. The mic we used is built in on the camera, nothing special. We wanted lots of fundamental and a fatter sound for this drum. Lots of options! Had lots of fun tweaking the drum sound and trying different heads on this project!
It looks like the dial has a piece of metal that needs to go under the drum's hoop in order to get the tuning reading. It looks like an easy fit with the S hoop but what happens when the player is using a drum hoop that doesn't flange inward?
+CR Excellent question! The edge gage will fit all drum hoops. The gage only needs to touch the inside edge of the hoop. The edge distance is 3/4" when measured with the edge gage.
Great video , but there's something i can't understand. In most of the snare drum tuning videos, it's said that the reso head must be tuned "very high," very "crancked up", "way higher" than the batter side head. But, in your video , snare side is tuned to "81" and batter side to "85"...! so, what's the point ?
A thin head tuned to the same tension as a thick head has a much higher pitch. If you tune the thin snare side head tighter than 84, the head will stretch! We tune the snare side head to a higher pitch than the batter. The thin snare side head tuned to 80-82 has a much higher pitch than a thicker top batter head tuned to 88-90. The videos that you mention are referring to the pitch not the tension.
@@DrumDial thank you for your quick answer... another question : how can you get a higher pitch with a lower tension ? considering that you put, for example, a coated Remo Ambassador on the batter side, an a clear Remo Ambassador on the reso side (same thickness for both heads, isn't it ?)
The bottom resonant snare side head is not an Ambassador. It is a thin remo snare head. The top batter is much thicker than the thin snare side.
The top batter in this video is an Evans 360 12.5 mil thick head. The bottom head is a thin 4mil snare side head.
@@DrumDial thank you very much. I bought the DrumDial few days ago and it works great. The only thing that could be better is to have the "dial" parallel to head to have a better reading, better and easier. Thanks anyway. Sorry for my poor English because i'm French...!
What do you recommend for a 14x6.5 steel snare? I usually have my snare side tuned to 83 but I haven't been able to balance it out with the batter head. Any suggestions?
+max kulmer 89 top batter for a very crisp snare sound.
Excuse me if I was not paying attention enough, but what number is the bottom head at? Thanks!
+Paweł Morrison
Snare side head is set to 80, starts a 3:00 in the video.
Ah, there it is. Thansk a lot, the drum sounds fantastic :)
Hey guys, i have a Ludwig Black Beauty 14x8" and would like to get a nice fat sound, what do you think about tuning the batter around 250 hz and reso 380 hz ? and do you have some kind of sheet to determine the tension values you messure with your gauge from the frequencies? something like 250 hz => 85 on your drumdial?
as well i d like to ask you for some values for a tt 12" and two floor toms 14"/16", for a nice smooth tuning interval (perfect fourths, should be good) What values can u refer?
I recently purchased your drum dial, it s on it s way and i just wanted to ask that things, before it arrives. Sorry for my bad english i hope u understand me.
For hz conversions to tension, it also depends on head thickness, diameter and depth to calculate. An 85 on a 14" would be different for a 12" . Very good numbers for what you are after are:
85 top batter 82 bottom resonant snare drum
12" 75 top batter 75 bottom resonant
14" 74 top batter 74 bottom resonant
16" 74 top batter 74 bottom resonant
@@DrumDial guys you are the best, i appreciate your fast response and support! I ll try that! Thank you very much! ❤️
So you guys would go with a lower tune on the bottom head of the snare?
The snare side head is much thinner. With a lower tension the snare side head will still have a much higher pitch than the thicker top batter.
@@DrumDial aaah makes sense! Nice to know! I have a remo powerstroke 4 as a batter and an evans e30 reso. Thank you again for the quick and nice response guys ill refer u! ❤️
Can you please tell me the name of the software used in this video? I've just purchased a drumdial and I'd like to tune my drums to a specific pitch and a frequency/pitch finder would be great. Thanks for all your helpful vids
The software is our own. You can get a similar program called "Audacity" . We use a spectrum analyzer and spectrum analysis to build the filters.
ok, you have always responded quickly and with excellent advice.. my drums sound very good, and im getting comfortable with my drumdial...
here is a twister.... i just got some Rata toms... 4 of them, all 6 inch single head, but with varying depth.... im trying to tune them all the same tension, and, while this works perfectly with different sized drums, it makes a weird sort of falling pitch on the rata toms... its musical, but not as musical as my toms, and frankly a bit off.....
what is a good way to approach these little drums? thank you!
also, what about tuning them to sort of match up to the next size, the 8 inch tom.... right now the 8 inch tom has the same pitch as the first rata tom, and so, rolling on down the line is not that great.... it would be cool if the falling pitches were cohesive.
Tune all 4 , 6" toms to 78. Tune the 8" to 76. The 6" toms should only be a 1/4 step apart and the 8" an entire 3rd from the 1st tom in the set of 4.
dw nickel over brass 14 x 6.5 medium tesion whats the best choice? 81-88?
88 top batter 82 bottom resonant (88 top batter 81 bottom resonant is good also)
Hello , wahat tuning would you recommend for Pearl 14 x 6.5 Masters MCX Maple Snare Drum
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88 top batter 82 bottom resonant
I was wondering where you bought the tube lugs?
Ours are custom, but you can get a very similar lug from Drums Factory Direct. They have a very good selection. Here is a link:
www.drumfactorydirect.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_9_10
I have a Drum Workshop Collector's Metal 6.5"x14" Smooth Brass Snare, do you recommend using the Drum Dial Bearing Edge Conditioner on a 3mm bell brass shell?
Spencer Holmes, yes, the bearing edge conditioner makes tuning even easier on the bell brass shells. The bearing edge on this type of drum is slightly smoother than the bearing edge form on similar snare drums from DW. Tuning up to your desired tension using the bearing edge conditioner helps to make an extremely smooth transition without skipping or catching, especially at higher snare drum tensions.
DrumDial I use a Remo Ambassador X14 and Ambassador Hazy Snare Side, what tensions do you recommend for a sensitive, yet mid ranged tuning?
Spencer Holmes These settings will get you very close: 87 top batter and 82 bottom resonant.
Thank you. Your product is amazing.
Hi, do you have a recommendation for a Tama Starphonic 7 x 14 copper snare?
That's a very nice snare drum! 89 top batter 82 bottom resonant. Excellent stick response.
@@DrumDial Thank you! I've got it at 87/78 but I'll crank it up to that and give it a go :)
87 top batter and 78-80 bottom resonant are good settings also, but with less response and ghost note control.
@@DrumDial 82 resonance was right on the money thank you!! From there, I brought the batter to 87.5 to suit my taste. I've realized that the halfway point between numbers makes a significant difference!
The only other snare I have is a 5.5 x 14 Tama Starclassic Birch/Bubinga. Would you recommend me applying similar tensions? Or maybe higher since it's a smaller snare?
Yes, similar settings. 89 top batter 82 bottom resonant
I didn't get the spacer that go's to the shell to the Drum Dial? Can I get one of those?
Available via www.drumdial.com or e-bay. For DrumDial service contact steve@drumdial.com for more info.
DrumDial How are you getting that high of a lug frequency, especially with a coated head on (presumably) a 14" X (?) drum? What is the fundamental of the snare? I have tried a drum dial on res head, and it's not so easy with the snare beds. Still, I am thinking of getting one, because while my tuning is very precise, you are right about uneven tension while the drum being still in tune, but going out easily.
wiremessiah We used a 10ml coated Evans head. That's the actual edge frequency and the fundamental for that top head ( bottom head dampened) would be about 1.5 times lower. See this link for proper snare tuning around the snare bed: czcams.com/video/TuN6TT6FAWg/video.html, starts at 1:30 for the snare side. With both heads free, the final true fundamental was an A3.
I have an Ludwig 402 what tension would be good for that drum?
Love that snare drum! 88 top batter, 80 bottom resonant
Would this work for marching percussion?
+Spoodermen Pls Yes, works great on marching drums.
Marching snares: 96 top batter (for Kevlar heads, take the average reading, as the tuning tip will read between the weave). 80 bottom resonant (thicker Kevlar snare side heads can be tuned to 90 for a higher pitch)
Tenors (and toms) 90 (very good starting point and the diameter will automatically determine the pitch).
Bass drums 88 (for both heads).
What would you tune a 8x14 chrome over steel snare? Batter and bottom head?
88 top batter 80 bottom resonant
This is equal to what hz?
401.4 Hz edge frequency
what are the units for tension?
Timpanic Pressure
what the lugs?
Standard tube style, available at any drum supply house.
What size is this snare drum?
6.5" x 14"
what tuner is that?
The software is our own. You can get a similar program called "Audacity" . We use a spectrum analyzer and spectrum analysis to build the filters.
kick drum tuning?
Bass drum tuning is #4 in the series:
czcams.com/video/oSocW_IqlYE/video.html