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Tori Amos - Blood Roses
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- čas přidán 24. 03. 2009
- So, this is my favourite Tori Amos song, I guess my nick kind of gives it away. Don't know why I've never uploaded a vid of it before but here it is: Blood Roses from 1996.
I listen to some music that's sung in languages that I don't understand a word of but I still love it. And even when I do understand, it doesn't have to make sense all the time. Language can be like music, beautiful in itself even without being logical.
Combining happiness and sadness in the same song , however, is perfectly logical because that's just life, you deal with many different emotions and events at the same time.
On top of this, there is more hate in her songs than positive messages. People might say all those polpular songs are worthless because they just display a pink, happy world. But why is that worthless? Music transports feelings, and if it transports a good and positive feeling firstly by its melody, it evokes good feelings in you and gives you strength, even if you are in deep shit.
who is not just a product of the music industry.... I mean, she writes all her songs by herself ). She has "Make it happen" or "Hero" for example. Songs, that I find are very "pushing", positive and strong, which is supported by their lyrics as well as music. And they just lift you up. You're right, when you are in the music realm there's just emotion, these songs give you strength.
Tori Amos songs take you somewhere else. I'm just wondering if some of them just leave you lost or tear you down?
Well, look at it this way: Maybe some artists, like Tori, use music as a way of dealing with difficult things in life. I don't think Tori is depressed but if something bad happens she just works it out in her songs. But other artists do the opposite, they use music to amplify the good and fun things that happen to them. It's two different approaches.
Very Delirium, this song . . .
I didn't say lyrics can't be difficult, have different layers or even be cryptic. But you said it yourself: no need to know exactly what tori means with every word she writes. So now I appreciate to have some difficult lyrics and try and follow them - of course you can never be sure to hit the same meaning the artist had in mind - You just want to figure out a meaning for yourself .
Tori's songs never tear me down. on the contrary when I've listened to a very aggressive or sad or difficult song I feel cleansed or empowered. Blood Roses is extremely empowering. And, yes, I do apply the songs to things that are relevant to me, past events or thoughts that I have, that's only normal. You make the songs your own.
Yes i totally agree with you on the language/music stuff.
I just think that Tori always puts so much sadness into EVERYTHING. It goes on my nerves! *ggggg* ;-) ;-) It' s different when you put happiness into even the saddest things!
Of course, one should not try to cover negative facts by artificially acting as if everything is okay. But, if you ( secondly ) really listen to the messages in songs that also happen to be popular, you can find that they actually DO transport a message, a message of strength wich is supported by the music as well as the lyrics! The fact that they ARE UNDERSTANDABLE doesn`t make them worthless!
I wasn't necessarily comparing other artists to Tori. I just think some of them are devoid of emotion full stop and I would feel the same whether I listened to Tori or not. I can get into different types of music and it doesn't have to be dark or "difficult" but if I can tell that the artist doesn't put anything personal into it then that just kills it for me. As for positive Tori songs try: A Sorta Fairytale, Mother, Ribbons Undone, etc.
Ok. Maybe I really shouldnt put so much thought into it.You really helped me there :-)
May I ask you instead, um, when you have an emotional response to some of her songs, is it like imagining sth. Do you have images that appear for example? Or do you just relate it to something you experienced in life? I wonder, just because when you take e.g. the Lord of the Rings, everyone was amazed how the movie-pictures were so alike to what all kinds of different people had imagined when reading the book.
Me for example, I have some of her songs that I connect with just a vast plain with a way or just the sky. I also connect a circus with some of the songs... or space...
i think that some songs like
1000 oceans, horses, sugar, merman, never seen blue, upside down, take to the sky... kind of go together.
I think I like mostly the b-sides best.
And you?
It's Philadelphia, 2/5 1996.
There are a lot of people who dislike her, wether its her whiney voice or the depressing sound of her music, which I must say is understandable. Also, these so-intelligent lyrics are sometimes just confused.
As for Tori's wealth I'm sure she gets by. As she said on Sen kväll med Luuk when asked about her three houses: "I'm rich..."
..undone is not directly that tragic, but the melody is just somehow .. well as if she´s telling a very sad story, which again lies the stress on the fact that this moment, watching her daughter run or whatever, will soon be over and lost and arrghh!
That's what I mean, in most songs, the subject, even if its not tragic at all is regarded or expressed in a very tragic way. I mean, it's really nice if something is emotional and goes to your heart, but why does it always have to be so damn sad?
Awesome! Can you tell me what show this is from?
I didn't say you can't have an opinion, you're welcome to it. But you said "she should be consistent" as if she had some obligation to you personally to write lyrics in a way that you prefer. And she doesn't, she can write what she wants and I'm sure in her mind there are no inconsistencies.
There is no need to know exactly what Tori means with every word she writes. Maybe for some people it's nicer to have everything served on a plate and not have to ponder too much on layers of meaning.
Yea, well, that's just my point of critique:As if artists that write songs that are not sad, only sing about the positive things in their life and just fade out the negatives.Because you can sing about the positive aspects in a negative experience. Or just see one and the same thing that people perceive as negative as positive. Or just focus on your strength.I just want to state that it's really not as if most ( positive ) songs were only about fun things! They can be a RESPONSE to sth negative!
Who are you to decide how Tori should write her songs? If the lyrics confuse you, don't listen to them! They don't confuse me. I never said that popular, happy or "understandable" music was bad but sometimes those artists don't relay any genuine feelings or personal voice in their music, it's like a robot singing, and I find it hard to respond emotionally to that. And as for Tori's songs lacking positives messages - you're kidding, right?
Well that's good for you if they never tear you down. Maybe I made the mistake and put too much thought into her agressive songs. Sometimes I tried to apply them to situations in my life but it wouldn't really fit. So maybe then I put myself into the position of the adressee and fight some argumentative battle and that's what put me down because really the adressee's position is no bed of roses. ^^
Don't be silly, of course you're not going in the rubbish bin. You didn't say anything offensive.
Music for me is a realm where logic and reason become redundant. Therefore lyrics do not have to be straight-forward or possible to understand to convey an emotion, music bypasses that and goes straight to your inner core. You don't have to understand everything, you don't have to solve any riddles - just listen and feel!
It's because a majority of people prefer to be spoon-fed crap by record company execs. They don't want to be challenged or have to think for themselves, they just want muzak. A lot of Tori's music, especially Pele, requires you to really concentrate on what she's doing and saying and for some that is just too hard. They'd rather go buy an Avril Lavigne album because their MTV told them to do so. I realise I sound like a snob but there it is.
But that's not the only way to write lyrics and sometimes, when the lyrics are more cryptic they are easier, not harder, to apply to your own life because the scope of interpretation is less narrow. I have a concept of what all my favourite songs are about but who knows if it matches that of the artist. And is it so important?
But here sometimes you only have the chance to get a meaning into a song when you leave sth. out. And if I do that, I still would like to figure out what's up about the parts I left out. So I can think it over but it's like an unsolvable riddle, and I find that frustrating - see, it's ok if its a difficult riddle but if it just can't be solved at all.. Even if you try and match it for your own personal interpretation. So, basically, you just have to rely on parts of a song and ignore the rest?
but... well, isn't it also the attitude towards it? Couldn't it just be a different feeling that is transportet by the other songs, not "no-feeling" ? Because, if you just don't listen to Tori for a looong time, and then hear another song lets say on a sunny day, and you can suddenly also feel the energy of that song? But you also said you can't imagine Toris song NOT having positive messages? Can you give examples? I am not kidding, I would really be interested in your view of things.
There is so few hope in it. This was okay, if it was in a few songs but I just feel, if I listen to all her songs, sometimes I want to say to her: Hey!!!! It's not all that bad!! Ok, maybe it's just how it all operates on me, I mean, ok, ther IS hope in her songs, even if its always fragile. But why not elaborate on that? Ok, it' her choice. And i don't want to compare her to other artists as well, but just to illustrate what I mean. You could take Mariah Carey for example ( to chose someone
Yeah, maybe that gives you a lot of freedom to interpret them, but, still, it is difficult to find an interpretation that really makes a whole. For example, in this song: in some lines she clearly adresses the guy with "you", sometimes it is another girl or herselve referred to by "you". At least she should be consistent.
Who am I? I am myself, I am a human being and as such allowed to have an opinion, am I not?
;-) I don't want to offend anyone and I would be happy to have a descend conversation about this, without allowing or forbidding anyone to express their feelings/opinion. So, I think we are not talking about deciding over Tori's lyrics, but should stick to discussing about how we perceive her music as a listener, having equal rights as the artist to speak our minds, cause they affected our lives, too!
Hmm, ok, might be that ther is quite a lot of crap out there where people are just produced to sing something they haven't even written.
The songs you name all might contain positive messages, but also in a tragic way somehow. For me, there's always also a sad aspect to it: Sorta Fairytale: Yes it was nice with you but we lost each other and thus gave away sth very prescious forever :-(; Mother: the girl is on her own now and only making her first fearful steps into the world; :-/ Ribbons....
Hi. Ah, nice of you to answer, I already thought I landed in your rubbish bin for people-who-just-dont-understand or sth. OK..
Yea, ach, I was just about to ring Tori's doorbell and ask her to rewrite all her lyrics until they pleased me! ;-) Of course she can write whatever she wants.
Maybe it was misformulated. It was meant the way: "in order for the lyrics to be not-confusing they should have been consistent, for example concerning the reference of the "you"". ...
Give me a minute, ok.
don't you mean neil
Ok, getting to the point... Well I think you are lucky if the lyrics don't confuse you. So you say that you really know what she's talking about all the time? Even with the many allusions she makes in other songs? Ok, well, good for you. Concerning the other music, where people seemingly don't put so much "soul" into their songs. I know what you mean. It is difficult to listen at, let's say, the choirgirl album and then to other "simpler" music, which comparatively seems quite expressionless...
hello?? - silence - anybody??