kramer 84 guitar vs evh striped
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Here is my Kramer the 84 vs an EVH 5150 Stripe series guitar. Both guitars were recorded direct with a Freidman JJ Jr 20 watt amp to a Two Notes Captor X reactive load.
I play in a Van Halen/Sammy Hagar tribute: The Best of Both Worlds Fla and I've tested both these guitars live on stage in action and studio. They both have similar characteristics but vary slightly.
The VH tracks you hear have the original guitar removed and I overdubbed my own take of the famous riffs. I've included the isolated riffs as well for you to compare. The Kramer was custom painted by FunkGuitarsUSA. Enjoy the tone wars!
#KramerGuitars #Evh #Friedmanamps
Both sounded great, if you didn't know the Tonezone was Larry's pickup design for the EBMM EVH model. Eddie chose another pickup so Larry released it as the TZ. I have it in multiple guitars and love it, of course I also love the Wolfgang pickups as well though... just different as many have noted.
Very important fact thx!!
To my ear, the EVH has a bit more “bite” to it, with the Kramer sounding somewhat “warmer”. Both seem like amazing axes!
It's he other way around
The DiMarzio is hotter, there's more bite, to my ear.
@@rocketmobile Dimarzio is bass heavy. To really get an idea, you'd need both to have the same pickup.
The EVH sounded closer to Ed’s tone. More bite. Crisper.
I agree 100%
I gotta agree here the EVH is the real deal.... So damn close to eddies tone not to take anything away from the Kramer but you can definately tell they spent what they had to to get the EVH as close to Ed's sound as humanely possible... Either way both are awesome guitars and yeah your playings damn fine too
I agree but the Kramer is so authentic
Wrong on all count, kramer is nailing the 1984 tone on the nose
Noticed it right off the bat.
They both sound wonderful. I know I've always liked the Kramer headstock better than the Strat type for some reason
Hockey Night In Canada Stick
Explorer.
Not me.. Before reading this comment I thought to myself "What was kramer thinkin' , That's the ugliest headstock i've ever seen" lol I know it all comes down to preference but still.
@@sydnayallen6762 the kramer has the coolest headstock ever made
deans one are georgous
Kramer all day long and it looks badass with that hockey like headstock.
Awesome!!! I placed my order for the Evh 5150 striped the week after Ed passed. I'm still waiting. I also locked in at the $1399. They are now going for $1599. The wait is killing me. You did a great video here. Thank you!!!
Sorry you had to wait so long.
It’s a fun guitar though and hope you get it soon!! 👍🏻thx for the good feedback.
@@BrevSullivan 👍👍
I have to wait Till Dec 2021 ...... for mine ,
Up over $1,700 plus now.
The EVH is a little more open,clear and has more harmonic content to my ears. Both guitars are cool!
Thank you so much for doing this video. With all the options, to hear them the way you did it is absolutely perfect!!
I liked them both. The EVH sounded closer to the actual brown sound, but I personally liked the Kramer tone better. I own 3 Wolfgangs and love them all.
I like both. Tone was really good on both. Looks wise the Kramer. Great playing and thanks for the video. We enjoyed it.
Awesome and thx for checking out the vid. 🎸
Would be cool if you put an EVH pickup in the Kramer and see how they stack up after that! I think the Tone Zone's high end isn't as bright as the EVH pickup. Both sound great though. Good work!
I was thinking the same thing. Never been a huge fan of the Tone Zone.
That WVH pickup in the kramer would be a game changer
The EVH pickup is definitely brighter. I've always liked their pickups since I first played a guitar equipped with wolfgang pickups.
Yeah , a Frankenstein humbucker .
To me the EVH has a more clear and punchy tone and really cuts through the mix and the Kramer isn't as pronounced sounds and almost a little muddy/ bassy. The Kramer still sounds great though but that EVH is just absolutely killing it
Exactly
I think a Marshall amp would take of that quickly. I would like to see it on the evh modded Marshall .
That's been my experience with the dimarzio tone zone. Just a tad too much in the low end.
@@keolahutchinson7687 Yeah I agree. The tone zone isnt a good pickup for EVH tone
Been looking for a comparison between these 2. Thank you!
I have both guitars. I like my EVH better. I love my Kramer but my EVH sounds and plays better. Really great sound clips and great playing brother. Im subbing bro.
Cheers ty👍🏻🎸
How does it play better?
Awesome video. Would be great to hear the comparison with a Seymour Duncan JB in the Kramer.
That's what I put in all my guitars. Duncan hot rod set.
The EVH 5150 sounds brighter an better then the Kramer 84 but would still play both.
I'm not sure which one I like better. Both sound terrific.
Nice compare and contrast..I would take either one, even both! R.I.P. EVH.
No matter which one we are the only ones who can say as we all play differently but playing like Ed always a dream ! Love em both !
They both are amazing! But the Kramer sounded like the volume wasn't turned up all the way vs the evh sounded perfect. I have a evh stripped frankie and I love it!
EVH has amazing range. Bright highs with low, chunky grind on the bottom. Sounds very authentic on his work. Gets my vote. Great video BTW!
Both sick AF bro!
And your playing was amazing and identical!
Loved it!
Cheers!
007
Thanks much! Cheers!🔥🎸
i have the 84 Kramer reissue and dam i love that guitar maybe one day ill get a real evh 5150 but till now mine will work awesome video bro and sick playing
Cool gtr yes -and thx!! 🎸🎸
Great job on the comparison! My 84 is heavy but love it! Great playing!
Ty!
Just when I was making the mental connection of the reality of both guitars. Bam there is your video!
Cool👍🏻
You're absolutely right about the wait for the evh 5150!I ordered mine last yr in june or july and the eta kept getting pushed out and I was not expecting it till nov. but it came this week!It's better than the pics can show but it's out of tune pretty badly out of the box but I can tell how resonant it's gonna be already!
Glad to hear you got yours! Excellent🎸🎸☝🏻👍🏻
WoW You almost waited a year?
Great video. Awesome playing. Thanks for sharing! I like the sound of the EVH better, but the looks of the 84. Good job.
Thanks for watching and for the good feedback. 🎸
Very Subtle difference between both guitars…I’d be thrilled to own either one.
Thanks for posting this!
Awesome info...Eddie be proud seeing this..🤘
Thx!
Awesome video. Really like the way you tracked dry so we can really hear the subtleties of each guitar. I actually have the same setup (JJ jr , Captor X and an EVH white striped.) Both guitars sound great, liking the look of the Kramer but for me I have to give the edge to the EVH tone wise. 🤘🤘🤘
Great video. Thanks for doing this. Love the playing and the amp sounds killer.
Thx n welcome🎸
Evh guitar has more iconic tone at least (in the mix) the Kramer looks like it's more fun to play thou
Great ears!!
Great job, bro! First, you shred. I also just like the way you explain your point of view. Both guitars sound great - I see why you prefer both! I didn’t know about either choice, so I’m glad I stopped by to listen. Again, great review!
Thanks! And thanks for the good feedback.👍🏻🎸
Great video !!! for my taste Kramer sounds really great , i like how tight its sounds ,Evh is so warm on the other hand !i m very impressed with both guitars of course !
Thanks!
Both awesome, thanks for the head to head match up. Dude, you’d own the stage w either. IMO the Kramer has a slightly brighter tone vs a slightly fuller sound w the EVH axe. Either way you’ll scream your ass off working that whammy, brother. Rock on. 😎
Such an interesting topic You gave demonstrated both types extensively! Thank-you! I recognise the difference! They are so close! But I would pick the same one.
Awesome!
Still have my original mint condition 84 Kramer Baretta . LOVE that guitar.
Hey brev glad to see your putting out vids like this...I like the Kramer as well. The tone on it I think was spot on....keep it up cuz..hope yo hear from y as soon peace and keep on rockin 😎😎😎
Thank cuz u guys keep rockin’
Awesome guitars! I dig the EVH 5150 series guitars! Played them at NAMM.
Would love it as a lefty Im sure
Great playing and informative comparison thanks !!
Thx!
Excellent straight forward evaluation
Thanks bro
You’re right they are both cool
RIP Eddie
I think the Kramer 84 sounded muted/muddy and needs a slight bump in the midrange with eq, the EVH sounded how I would expect an “Eddie” guitar to sound. Great video! Thanks
I love the fretboard on the Kramer 84 you can get ridiculous low action with minimum buzz
Good job!
I put an original stripe series EVH Wolfgang PUP (not the US one) into my Kramer 1984...the A2 magnet makes it sound a bit more open....maybe you should try the Tonezone A2 magnet modification. 😉
Listening to the EVH...definitely more Eddie and more brown sound!!😁
So close. In a blind test I’d say 9 outta 10 couldn’t tell the difference.
I agree with you. I have both the EVH 5150 Special in Tobacco Sunburst and a Kramer Pacer Classic. There is quite a bit of difference in the price with the EVH coming in at about $1100 all in (shipping, etc.) and the Kramer I picked up locally for $400. The Kramer is VERY HEAVY as it weights considerably more than the basswood EVH. If I dropped the Kramer I would NOT worry about it as it is REALLY PUT TOGETHER (and it costs 1/3 as much!!!! ) Both the Kramer and EVH both have the stock pickups still installed.
Sound wise, I really like both guitars but I think mine are a little more different than your two guitars (as you have The 84 which cost about twice as much as the Pacer Classic). The stock pickups on the Kramer SHRED. It is definitely a Kramer copy of a JB, or something in that range. It is ALL 80's hard rock sounding, which I LOVE. On the other hand, the EVH definitely has more low end grunt to it and can be used in a lot more types of music and still sound at home and awesome. Both tones can be changed dramatically with any type of pedal, computer program, amp, etc. But bare bones, I would describe the Kramer as really an 80's sounding guitar and the EVH more well rounded, not quite as hard rock sounding, but still effective in all types of songs.
I would give playability to the EVH hands down. The neck is amazing and the build quality is superb. The EVH Floyd Rose trem is a mile better than the Floyd copy on the Kramer Classic.
I am NOT NEARLY as good of a player as your are but for anyone reading this I would say if you are really wanting the 80's hard rock sound, consider the Kramer as the build quality is great and the tone is great (Think VH, RATT, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, White Lion, Mr. Big). If you a die hard VH fan (like I am) go ahead and get the EVH as you will NOT be disappointed. The build quality and sound quality are both great. With the EVH you can play ANYTHING with it. Or better yet, get BOTH of these guitars, as both are great sounding guitars that will give you hours of enjoyment like I did!!!
I have both as well and the EVH definitely sounds better. In fact, EVH pick-ups are the best for rock tone in my humble opinion. But the Kramer headstock is definitely sexier than the altered EVH’s. But the Kramer’s neck is a bit thicker than EVH too, so playability for fast licks is more difficult, in my opinion. Great customization you have done on the Kramer though.
Tone is subjective
@@bluwng Everything is.
@@innnews6299 I know you are tying to be profound, but it’s not. I am an Aerospace Engineer, everything we do is based on objective data, test and science. There is some subjectivity but it would be less than 1%. No, everything is not subjective.
@@bluwng I am a realist. You can measure everything if you want to minute details. In the end, it’s how people “feel” about things that is utmost important. Especially in art and music, the way the art piece touches your soul and moves you means infinitely more than any amount of scientific measurement can provide.
@@innnews6299 numbnuts. This is you, I’m a realist , I base it on my feelings. Nothing you cried about has anything to do with how an electric guitar process a signal. Go away.
Loved the video.
You aren't kidding about the wait time. I ordered my EVH Stripe series Stratocaster with the Fender Headstock back in October and literally just got it a week ago. It's worth noting that it is left handed.
But it was with the wait!
About swapping out the SD pickup because it was a Zebra color scheme, why didn't you just paint the creme side black, in the spirit of EVH?
I think it's something he would have done, I'd certainly do it, lol..
But it's all good!
Cheers!
Awesome brother! Thanks for the comparison. Stupid amazing guitars, but in your hands, the are alive!!
Welcome and thanks 😊 🎸
Both great, to my ear the EVH sounded closer to the original tone. Slightly hotter pickup than the dimarzio, and slightly brighter.
Would gladly have either though!
Great video 🤘
Cool thx for the good feedback!🎸
Great comparison. Yeah I love the Kramer 84 remake. Always thought the EVH version is too overpriced. Love the banana headstock on the Kramer The 1984 better as well.
Ty, and thanks for the good feedback. 🎸
Honestly it's a very close call!!
For all of my EVH covers in my many bands situations I will ALWAYS grab my 1990's Musicman EVH!!!
To me the EVH was perfect for the first two songs. But Unchained was a tie for me. Both had sound qualities that I liked on that track.
EVH is the winner for me. 🎸
Well if nobody pointed it out, Ed played that Ibanez Destroyer on runnn. Alnico 8 magnet in that pickups. I will say that it's astonishingly close to the tone!! With my ears, I can't tell much of a difference between the two axes, but then again, my hearing dips -20Db 6k to 10k then goes back to normal 😲 Then again a turd would sound great through that Freidman rig
Ed also hammered the chord addon following the double mute on the D chord
Awesome brother!!
Thanks Len!🤟🏻
Just found ya and great video. Had to subscribe.
Love that amp tome too.
Thanks man .
I would choose the 84 for it's price, looks and features, but that's me.
Kool thx and hope you find your ‘84🎸
@@BrevSullivan Thanks man. Me too. Its6that, or an Ibanez RG550 genesis. The reissues they sell now in desert yellow or road flare red. 🤣🤟🤟🤟
Ok, I listened through a speaker and not my crappy phone, but even with that on CZcams I don't think you get true sound. It COULD sound totally different in person but over CZcams, I think the difference is so small that most people would say they can't tell a difference. Now I'm a guitar player so I know how we can be.
I'm glad you mentioned the radius and the playability though because to me that's just as important as the sound. I went from a 10 - 16 compound radius to a 14 only on my new pacer vintage, the classic has a 12 and I don't know why they just didn't make them the same, and it took some getting used to especially the narrower neck.
I've always been a DiMarzio fan, so I love the tone zone.
Speaking of which, if you really wanted a totally even comparison, I would of used the same pickup, although with the body woods and as I mentioned , CZcams, the difference still may have not been that noticable.
Anyway, great playing, wish I could do some of that Van Halen stuff. Lol next you need to do a black and yellow! :)
Thx for the good feedback.
I put a video up with the Kramer now with an Evh pickup. It’s brighter than the Dimarzio. czcams.com/video/CVAR4womKUM/video.html
However as you mentioned, in the room or onstage is the true gtr tone. The Kramer has more bottom and strat-ish mids no matter what pup is in it and simply is fun 80s shred gtr. EVH have their own thing and more tempered high end with some lows but in the similar frequency as the Kramer, ultimately a different animal. The rest Is the player and chops. Thanks🎸😀
they both sound great, the big difference between these guitars are the necks, EVH necks are the best ive ever played.
i got the Kramer 1984 last summer. it is pretty heavy, and just now, my last string change i finally set the bridge action just right which made a huge difference in playability. even thought the neck shape is weird to me, I love it, I dont think the EVH has the thinner upper neck like the Kramer does.
Both sound great and awesome playing. Evh has more bite like others have said. Kramer sounds more smooth. I agree with you, Kramer is my favorite too. I'm a Kramer player so naturally would be my favorite. Loved the video, thank you 😊
just bought an 84 kramer and a striped series
Good tones, good investment!😎
EvH is super dynamic, cleans up with light touch beautifully.
Both sounded awesome but I think my favorite was the EVH. Rest In Peace Eddie
Just subbed . Cheers from New Zealand
Thx, subbed you as well.🎸
@@BrevSullivan you gotta do a show with us next year Brev . Would love to interview you
@@5150show sounds great that would be awesome!
@@5150show Checkin’ in with you guys re that interview! Tagged you in a vid cheers!
I think the evh had the closer tone but I’d go for the 84 as you said it’s more affordable and I’d put in an evh humbucker. Might do the to my Barretta special
Thank you so much. You helped me a lot
Welcome.
Just found your channel. Awesome player Keep rockin
Awesome. Ty much and welcome aboard!☝🏻🎸🎸
I love my old Kramer.
what a freakin awesome video!!
As owner of several super strats which include a mij WG and a Frankie relic, the Wolfgang Humbucker is great. Easiest to pull any type of harmonics and quite versatile for a bridge pickup. You can play a variety of different types of music.
Doesn't the Kramer have a more narrow nut width? I got rid of my EVH striped series because the neck was too wide for my liking. I have a Wolfgang and it has a completely different (narrow) neck.
That difference is so negligible though.
Speculating here on what your experiencing since I’ve played and still own them all and have reacted similarly ….. The Evh neck is way flatter than the Kramer so would feel wider with it’s compound 12-16 radius. Kramer neck is just straight 12.” and feels narrow. Wolfgang is the same as the Evh -12” to 16 but it doesn’t sit in the hands the same as the Evh stripe series that feel more like Charvels. I’m more partial to grabbing the Wolfgang as an everyday guitar, for any musical situation.
That DiMarzio Tone Zone sounds fucking killer!
The Kramer sounded better on some parts, but the EVH also had a deeper bassier tone on the bluesy riff parts. But the Kramer had the better tone on the high notes.
Cool, thx🎸👍🏻
EVH smashes. As Edward said, every model culminated in the last one. That was the epitome of all his experimenting.
Both are super to my ear, aesthetically speaking i prefer (Stratocaster) "Frankenstrat II" (in use 1979-84) in the latest version after all modifications (final version 1995).
Cool.🎸🎸
Bravo , thanks !
Welcome!
Dude you rock
Thx! Back at ya 5150!!🎸😎
Nice, I guess the frankenstrat evh would sound similar to the evh. Tones playing are great. Jj Jr sounds awesome, glad to see the two notes sounds good. Could you say more about Reverb flange phasor patch? Thank you
There were no pedals in this vid used however there was a bit of verb in the mix from the Torpedo preset. thx
Where can I get BOTH The Kramer (1984) Hot For Teacher Eddie Van Halen Striped Guitar and the Kramer 5150 model??? Well guitar kits that don’t need ANY sanding or fret work done to them out of the box??? Ones You can take directly out of the box and start painting and striping????
Cool demo
Thx!🎸🤟🏻
How much money did u save swapping out the pickup and a custom paint job on the Kramer? Other than the wait, probably the same amount my guess.
Saved Tons!! An open box 84 Kramer is as low as $600 if you keep an eye out on Reverb. Already owned pup. Paint reasonably priced.
If you purchase a Kramer néw, pay top $ for a pickup, and overpay for what should be a modestly priced paint job, yeah you’d be paying for the price of a new 5150 stripe series.
Just bought a Kramer 84 done out just like this one
Glad to hear!
EVH wins from the first chord, at list to me. I mean, the guy actively worked on tone for 40 years. Hard to do better than his most recent equipment.
Absolutely
The Kramer sounds stiff
THanks that was cool \m/
👍🏻🎸
Hi Brev..what I 've experienced on this 84 re-issue model as well as other indonesian made guitars in general (aka cheap guitars),the intonation/tuning is getting lost after a few days unless the bridge is fixed/leveled to the body(spring tension must be so high)..so you can barely move the tremolo..otherwise tuning is lost and people mock lol....what do you think?
Agreed. And your correct. I’ve recently started using the Lok N Roll compensated nut and it really helps with that issue your describing.
Very cool video just subscribed.
Thx👍🏻🎸
The Tonezone as a pickup is just almost overkill with the mids and bass, it’s a good application for guitars that naturally sound really thin and plinky to really beef them up.
I have one in a HSS strat and I installed a treble bleed circuit so I can roll the volume pot back a bit to cut some of the mids/bass while keeping most of the treble, brings it closer sounding to the Wolfgang bucker.
Yes and the DUNCan was exactly that, THIN . I play in a VH tribute 3 shows a week that covers ROTH and Sammy era. Tried the DUNCAN in a real stage with amps and for me the TONE ZONE was clearer punchier and more accurate for the Sammy era which the tunes have more low end. I use the EVH a for the brittle bright Roth Vh 1 era and that sounds perfect for that era. A hard subtlety to articulate. Thanks for watching. 👍🏻🎸
@@BrevSullivan Awesome! If you’ve never tried an EVH Wolfgang guitar (USA), try one! Maybe not the visual look for a classic VH tribute band, but it really represents his evolution in tone. THICK Beefy (yet very articulate) sounding guitar, mine even strung with 9’s vibrates and sounds like a guitar strung with 11’s unplugged, the Wolfgang pickup works GREAT in that guitar, but it’s almost too thick sounding for authentic early VH tones. Eddie REALLY knew what he was doing with the design of that one, super underrated guitar!
Yep use the Peavey Wolfgang and Stealth for the POUndcake and Sammy Stuff
The EVH was more defined. The Kramer wasn't bringing out what was being played. He was doing more work than the amp was letting you hear.
That Tone Zone makes the Kramer sound a bit dark. Not bad, but definitely darker than Ed’s usual tone. Never been a huge fan of the Tone Zone, but lots of people love it.
Damn brother ,, can i start by saying you freaking Rock ..... For nostalgia only i got to go the Kramer ..
Thx🎸🎸
cool sir guitar rock😎👍🇲🇾♥️🇺🇲
Nice demo, I really like the TZ in my old ibanez RG. Really fat squawky mids. Love my 87 Baretta II, I have a duncan 59 in it and its great. You guys should check out Pete Thorns recent EVH pickup video... very thorough and of course petes playing is out of this world.
Killer playing and demo! Gotta figure basswood vs alder, Tone Zone vs. EVH Wolfgang (or whatever) = different tones. The Kramer 84 needs a brighter pickup to match the EVH Frankie. Either way, great tone from both! I thought I read Ed took his Explorer neck and non-Kramer body, and slapped a Kramer logo on the 5150, for contract purposes?
Thx. See my other video Kramer vs Frankenstrat with the Seymour Duncan pickup.🤟🏻🎸
Great video. very interesting!
They both sound great the first one a little bit brighter second one doesn’t sound as bright very similar I like the second one
Kramer. No doubt.
You’re a fantastic player
Thx👍🏻❤️
Do both guitars have fresh strings or when did you change out the strings on both guitars?
And pickup volume pull knobs up or down?
Which one is tuned better?
Change strings every week. These EVH don’t have push pull. Tuning..? Identical.
So you like the neck on the evh better?
@@daved5343 it’s easier to access high notes on the EVH neck with its compound 12- 16”, but if your more into a modern strat feel, C neck 12” radius the Kramer feels great. Hard to decide, both deliver.
Totally agree...was like you read my mind at the end there...