Using a PC sound card to receive VLF radio signals
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- Just connect an antenna to your computer's microphone input, and you can receive VLF (Very Low Frequency) radio signals! A sound card (or built-in sound chip) with a recording sampling rate of at least 96 kHz is recommended.
Example of using this method to receive VLF signals from Russia and Europe:
• Excellent VLF receivin...
SDR Sharp software (for Windows) to receive and record VLF (and many other) radio signals:
sdrsharp.com/#download
Similar SDR (Software Defined Radio) applications are available for Linux and Mac OS.
Lists of VLF stations:
sidstation.loudet.org/stations...
www.smeter.net/stations/vlf-st...
Common sources of radio interference and recommended solutions:
www.ccrane.com/!wcjHVrOwu6BDBD...
About the accidental recording of VLF station GBR (16 kHz) contained on Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells" album:
alancordwell.co.uk/personal/in...
gkircher.stormloader.com/vlfcd/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Ra... - Věda a technologie
This was the most interesting video I have seen on CZcams for a long time.
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Incredible! I just to discover this in an article of the magazine of Argentine Radio Club! I'm ham radio operator for more than 40 years and sound engineer and Mike Olfield's fan, this drives me crazy!! Thanks for sharing!!
Nice to see a video on low frequency radio that isn't conspiracy theory BS. Good upload!
Thanks again for creating this video, VWestlife. :-)
I first saw it when it first came out 5 years ago, and have been having a blast experimenting with SDR-Sharp and similar programs ever since. :-)
Thank you, I really enjoy seeing technology used in unintended ways. The Mike Oldfield connection was fascinating.
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Thank you for sharing this experience...I d/l'ed SDR # and it works very nicely with my Dell D630 laptop and about 100 feet of wire laid right on the ground and link-coupled to a coil wire wrapped around a 5 gallon bucket, coupled to the mic input jack through a couple of transformers audio transformers....works beautifully. Minimal AC hum, and I see the sub broadcast signals at 21.4 and 19.8 and 23.2 and 24.0...21.4 is the strongest here in the central coast of California ...I've had this system going now for almost 1 week and am having a blast exploring the VLF world :)
Just looked through some other 70s albums to see if they should have something similar to the signal on "Tubular Bells", and I found out that Pink Floyd's "Atom Heart Mother" has the GBR signal as well! It's not as strong as on "Tubular Bells", but it is there about 2 minutes in on the track "Atom Heart Mother Suite".
I am pretty sure most of these were intentional, and were added as an easter egg.
Cool ill check that one out !!
That is beyond awesome. I need to try this sometime.
This was the coolest thing I have seen in many a day. Thanks for doing this! I loved it.
Thanks for the heads-up on the Tubular Bells album, thats pretty cool!
Funny… This channel had me reading online about radio technology out of curiosity, and when I read about VLF I casually started wondering if you could stick a free wire or antenna of some sort into a sound card's input and pick signals up. Then I came across this video. :)
Very well organized - nice video, description, and helpful links.
Nice work and interesting fact about the already quirky Tubular Bells classic.
slinky springs make great vlf anntenas, just strech it out and connect wires to either end, if your receiver only needs one wire just connect one end.
i have a really small slinky sort of like a "toy" version(i know a toy of a toy, this when slid on a broom handle and held either end with tape and wires attached makes a great scanner antenna you just stretch it out for different wavelengths when the signal is strongest put the tape on the end to hold it.
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Thank you! I'm going to give this a try. I'm a total newbie so any advice on making this work would be super appreciated.
Very interesting video, thanks for sharing! I have a Yaesu FRG-100 that tunes down to 50 kHz, so about all I've heard on the LF band is WWVB on 60 kHz, and LORAN on 100 kHz when it was still in use.
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I bought a $15 usb sound card to do this and it said it was a card with a 96kHz sampling rate but when I got it it had a 192kHz sampling rate and I can listen to stations such as wwvb
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whenever I try and run SDR# I get a message saying "No compatible devices found"
Seus videos são ótimos! Sempre acompanho seu canal, sou ham radio operator e uso o SDR e acho que um passo para o futuro dos ham radio operators.
That's great, I have a HF communications receiver that tunes from basically 1khz to 30mhz (AOR 7030) and with a metre diameter magnetic loop I can pick up 60khz and 77.5khz time stations and can sometimes hear the alpha signals but it's nowhere near as good as this method. Great vid. I'd love to try this method.
This video is so informative and interesting, that I couldn't help logging in to my gmail account just to say thank you very much for making such great video and explaining all the stuff. Also many thanks for those informative links.
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Thank you for sharing this. :)
It would be interesting to check other CDs recorded in Europe to see if they too have radio transmissions piggy-backing along with the intended program.
For my setup I salvaged a pair of degaussing coils from an old 32" Sony TV, arranged them in a crossed-loop and connected them to the line input on my Dell D630 laptop. Works very good. Eventually I will build an impedance matching/amplifier and it will work even better. As-is it gets lots of FSK signals at times, according to propagation conditions. A whole new world to explore. :) :)
Very enjoyable demonstration. Thanks.
You got it working so good...nice video!
Awesome video! Been playing with SDR# with a RTL-SDR stick. I should try this. I live right in Maine, few hours away from Cutler though. :P
That is very interesting! I didn't know you could do that. It's cool that you could get a signal from the other end of the country... and even Europe if you had a bigger antenna.
Also, I find that with some TVs, simply having them turned off doesn't cut all the interference, you have to unplug it. My early 2000s RCA does that, a lot of newer electronics don't seem to be properly shielded.
The Nevada Test Range @ Groom Lake has a VLF station but it does not transmit continuous. I discovered it while repairing a guitar amplifier for a friend in Las Vegas, it was being picked up by the instruments pickups and amplified.
We did manage to track it down to the test range area as far as we could legally go.
Sorry if you mentioned this in the past, but what camera do you use to record? I am looking to get a different one for my tech videos (my auto focus took a shit in mine).
This is amazing and interesting as hell, I might even try this soon...
interesting to see the range of the jim creek transmitter 50 miles north of me. it's a massive transmitter site with an insanely huge antenna array that zigzags back and forth between 2 mountain ridgetops and 12 steel towers. the array is pointed west, so if you can receive it 3k miles in the opposite direction with a skimpy antenna it must be able to broadcast all the way to southeast asia. 1.2 megawatts of power helps too.
This will be a nice extension to my RTLSDR setup.
nice. I did this in 2011 and 2012 as a part of my diploma on the university. I used a low noise amplifier with a 1000x amplification, an external audio card, and a long antenna. I also tried with an underground microphone on a remote location. even tried with the underwater antenna. tried to get elf signal.
OMG ! I bought that record when it came out. Who would ever have guessed it had an embedded CW message. I didn't have a pc with spectrum analyzer and waterfall display back then LOL
My late father was in the Royal Navy, and one of his jobs was testing the now defunct submarine communications transmitter at Rugby.
Wow. This makes you wonder what other albums out there might have some VLF or other hidden interference embedded in it.
Thanks for the video! I have built several ELF/VLF receivers but this appears to be much simpler and easy to use. Look forward to seeing more from you.
I cannot download the SDRsharp program. Do you know of another spectrum analyzer program that you could recommend?
Coolest thing you ever showed.. never knew it was possible
Oh my God! That's so awesome :D
I know it. My microphone input just doesn't care :( Anyway. Really cool, dude! Had no idea it was that easy. Nice low-cost way to experiment with an SDR when you don't have a USB dongle that allows you to scan an even bigger range of frequencies.
Thanks for pointing out that fact about Tubular Bells.
Just a tidbit of information, at 24Khz, a 1/4 wave element is 1000 feet. So, a half wave dipole is 2000 ft long. Better get a couple of high towers to install it on. And YES, a good ground is essential.
If, you can get the antenna at least 1/4 wavelength, you will receive any shortwave signal.
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I never knew you could use a sound card as a radio!
This was a great video.
I'll try this with my XP laptop which has Realtek HD Audio, I don't know what the sampling rate of the MIC in is but I'll try that.
Perhaps this is also why "Line in" is muted by default in windows?
Thank you for this very wonderful video, I think there are lots of wonderful applications that I might test on what you have shared... with range from 1hz to 48000hz, I may use a frequency generator to send signal to a particular object (resonance frequency), and using loop antenna I might be able to locate certain object vibrating through signal emitted by the frequency generator... maybe worth a try, what do you think boss?
You're so awesome! Tell me, what camera do you use for your videos, and how do you get it to record screens so clearly?! :O Also, how would I find out the relevant specs of my sound card?
Evil Roda I use a Canon FS200 camcorder. If you Google the name of your sound card or the sound chip it uses, you should find the specs.
Awesome work...
wow, very interesting video! thank you
The anti-aliasing filter certainly does get in the way. My card (okay, chip, given it's on the motherboard) can do 192kHz sampling, but everything above 20kHz is really weak.
I saw the large antenna array at Rugby when I was passing by in a train there in 1970. Most of it was demolished a few years ago.
Excellent video ! I will give that a go !
Fascinating. I wonder how many more albums recorded at 'The Manor' carry similar signals.
My sound card has a 96KHz/24-bit DAC, I wonder what I could pick up!?
wow, really interesting
Excellent educational
Fascinating!
This is awesome I have to try this, my computer has 2 sound cards one internal and a external because I upgraded it but the internal still works and the driver is still installed so I wonder if it will make a difference being Realtek and my external is creative and also I wonder if the morse code is on the vinyl version of tubular bells or do you recon it will be too noisy from dust and static etc
Interesting thanks a lot
Jean-François
That is SOOO cool! Also, I spy a powermac g4 quicksulver... XD
interesting video, wouldn't a high speed data acquisition device such as an oscilloscope provide a better signal? they have them in card and USB now, connecting to the soft ware you mentioned to it might be a problem those.
It looks like you're having some transient noise. You can try the Noise Blanker to reduce it. The noise reduction may help also.
First, I learn about Rush's YYZ and now this. This is cool.
what about YYZ?
Intro is YYZ in morse code
You know about Kraftwerk?
I listen to Kraftwerk at least once a week.
I have a vinyl America - Perspective and I noticed that at the beginning when I drop the needle there is a 23+ KHz tone immediately after the needle drop and the music starts about 3 seconds after the needle drop and the tone is continuous from beginning to end even between songs on both sides until after the last song is over and the tone disappears before the groove spirals rapidly towards the record label. I think it's from the master tape where the vinyl was cut. No idea if pressings from other countries also have this tone. My copy is an original Filipino pressings from 1984. The frequency of the tone slightly fluctuates up and down that matches the rotational speed of vinyl because the hole of vinyl is slightly off center. I can't hear the tone but I'm using an audio editor to see it. CD can't respond above 22 KHz so if your copy is a CD you're out of luck.
That is really cool.
Would it be possible to get a USB receiver (maybe a DVB-T dongle) and using it with SDR Sharp?
And could one possible even record all radio that is being transmitted in that time into one single WAV file?
That would be simply awesome.
Cool. I need to try this.
Great video VW! Does anyone know what studio device was actually picking up the radio signals? I had an old guitar amplifier that would randomly pick up commercial am radio at certain times of the day (probably bad input filtering, or a grounding problem) but the article I read about TB stated that they recorded the guitar & bass directly into the console. It's strange that the engineers would not have heard this as they were listening to the isolated tracks on the master tape. This must have been discovered before someone isolated it in SDR.
Or maybe they were very much aware of it and left it in on purpose as an easter egg.
"Don't do this during a thunder storm"
But you'll miss the whistlers!
I downloaded a mp4 version of this, but it didn't contain the morse code at 16.100
I use a shortwave radio receiver with the onboard whip antenna tuned down all the way to 150 kHz where it’s quietest in terms of interference.
How can you conect the rg85 coax to the computer microphone?? Thank you very much!
Very cool!
I can definitely see how an LCD monitor can interfere with VLF radio reception if it's a cold-cathode-backlit model, the cold cathode tubes & inverter (basically a miniaturized fluorescent lamp) can emanate all kinds of RF interference. But I'd imagine a LED-backlit LCD display would not, correct?
And that's quite fascinating about "Tubular Bells"' hidden VLF transmissions of station GBR, I did not know about that! I have that album on vinyl, I wonder if that would be able to carry GBR's signal for decoding--I'd guess it'd have to be a clean, little-played (or ideally unplayed) copy, with a phono cartridge & preamp that can respond well at 16 KHz.
I noticed that if I use a cheap poorly shielded RCA cable to amplifier's line in without connecting the other end to anything I can hear a faint sound from our local AM stations.
That's really cool especially that there is no radio needed!
WOW thanks! Iúse these sounds in my music :)
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Wow this is very cool wonder if it would be possible to emulate an FM or AM radio receiver or transmitter on the computer I don't think a transmitter would be possible but possibly a receiver using only the sound cards analog input and a piece of software
How low on the spectrum can you broadcast voice/music? And is the Antenna required too large or can it be done at close range with a shorter antenna?
Voice transmissions are certainly possible in the VLF range, although that's not an efficient use of the bandwidth available. Shorter antennas are possible but won't give as good of reception (or signal coverage if transmitting).
I am a little confused. Did you use a long wire antenna outside when you received these signals? I also see that you used a AM loop antenna that is connected to the sound card. How did you hook this up? I was trying think on how you did it, but still it got me confused, and I really need a good indoor VLF antenna for my SDR. Please help me out. Thanks.
I used a combination of both the loop antenna and outdoor longwire antenna (although it's not really that long, only about 20 feet).
With this software I discovered that the realtek audio chip of my mothrerboard has a bandpass filter that filters the mic input to 20kHz no matter how high is the sampling frequency. Even with sampling rate of 192kHz, over 20 kHz or so, no signal passes through. So I'mm wondering what is supposed to be the purpose of having the capability to sample at 192kHz, if there's a fixed banpass filter at 20kHz in the input. Bah....
Tried the line-in?
use another soundcard, then. this principle should even work with external usb units, I would imagine...
This is because the human ear doesn’t process or hear audio above about 18 khz, so anything above 20 khz is basically un-wanted noise in most cases. Buy an external sound card used for recording/processing music, and you should be able to sample above the 20 khz cut off
Have you been able to pick up any numbers stations or otherwise strange radio broadcasts in this way or a similar way?
No, numbers stations operate on shortwave (HF), which is well above the frequency range of VLF or LF.
I see, I thought shortwave was within the VLF frequency range. Have you ever picked any numbers stations up on your shortwave radios before? I wouldn't have any hope of ever finding any in my area.
LOLZpersonok Yes, Cuba still uses numbers stations a lot and I can hear them quite often on shortwave.
Can a person use this apparatus to detect weaponized infrasonic pulse generators?
very interesting but looks like your using an old pc flatt tower with a different audio plug than mine which is just a basic small headphone socket can i use that and is that program suitable for windows ten
If your computer has only a single headset jack (for headphones with microphone attached), you may be able to do this with an appropriate wiring adapter.
Tutorial please? because it looks like you are playing a wave file and not capturing what's coming from the mic jack or input. Does audio have to be recorded first then played back in SDR#?
No, you can do it live. This site has some basic info on setting up and using SDR Sharp: sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/connecting-soundcard-sdr-to-computer
+vwestlife hmm it doesn't explain what you're doing with a lead in the audio in. Also you're frequency graph shows frequencies higher then. What you would see if you're using you're sound card as input as like someone said here the graph only goes to 20khz when selecting sound card as input. It would be great if you showed us this with sound card as source, doing it live.
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You have to make sure your sound card supports and is correctly configured to a 96 kHz (or higher) sampling rate for recording. There should be an option in the sound card's settings somewhere. And there are other videos on CZcams about using a sound card to receive VLF signals, they may have more detailed info.
+vwestlife Okay thanks I will play around with it, I see that when you raise the sampling rate of the sound device in SDR# it does change the scale of freq. chart. I do see the waveform dropping down a little after 24Khz but thats becuase I didnt change my sound card settings, I will play with it some more. I've been catching up on all things RF and I find this pretty interesting. I'd like to see examples of how this method can pick up communications devices would use and possibly decode it.
Sounds really cool! I don't have an antenna though...
I had no idea about the hidden 16khz signal on 'Tubular Bells'. Amazing, thanks for that. If you got a miniwhip antenna outside, you'd be amazed how much the noise floor drops and the signals come up. They're easy to make. It actually works from DC up, not 10khz up. dl1dbc.net/SAQ/Mwhip/Article_pa0rdt-Mini-Whip_English.pdf
great video just watched it, i think some of these folks use copper rods in the ground for antenna's
Amazing
For everyone interested in this there's a website to listen to some of these signals "websdr", without the need to use an antenna.
Yes, you're right but if someone does not have the equipment this would work to see how it sounds.
What if you buy the most expensive 2 mHz sampling rate sound card just to listen to am radio.
How do you actually connect the antenna to the mic input? What pin is the wire connected to? If I get a stereo lead with a minijack on the end and cut it down so I just have the two cables coming out, should I connect my antenna to that? But which core?
None of the explanations of this method online address this in any great detail :(
You connect it to the wire that goes to the tip of the plug. You may need to use a multimeter to find one which one that is. Or just try both and find out which one gives better reception.
VWestlife thanks, I have access to one so I can tone the lines.
VWestlife do I need to connect a ground anywhere? To the ground I guess (sleeve?)
I wonder if any other albums have such an audio artefact... Presumably many
Not sure how safe it would be to do so, but you could also attach the antenna to your household wiring through the ground pin and or the copper piping in your house if you have it.
Also, have you ever tried to decode this data using a modem?
+AIO inc. The data is encrypted.
vwestlife
Decryption included? Would it be possible?
+AIO inc. decryption is illegal.
Nikola Begonja
Why? It's just time codes.
Thank you for this video i like it
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Wonder how many other albums have been done at that studio that had the same issue
Many, many recordings have a 15.75 kHz tone in the audio due to someone using a CRT monitor or TV in the same room as the recording studio.
I see that you have "IQ file (*.wav)" selected as your source, instead of a SDR radio, at the top left..which means you are playing an already recorded radio audio file..I believe I am right..
Yes.
Would you be able to receive DCF77 ? that would be awesome. I live at about 30 km south from the DCF77 clock station.
Yes, i tested it with my sound chip. However, your card has to have a sample rate of 192khz or higher.
You should also have a wire of at least 2 meters.
wow... will it work connecting the antenna to an external USB audio card? 🤔
Dont see why not
You should give a tour of your place sometime. I cant help but wonder where and how you keep all that tech stuff in your home.
I don't keep it all... that's the secret. A lot of the stuff you see in my older videos has since been given away or sold. I only keep the items that are the most useful to me.
Seemed like a good idea... but the software doesn't work for me.
I downloaded the SDR software, then tried to run the EXE... but it told me I have to install ".NET Desktop Runtime"
I downloaded this... tried again... I still get the same message. SDR package refuses to initiate.
Might be some incompatibility issue with WIN-10?
someone help me I was trying to record but I recived radio channel sound.