Moody or Beneteau? - Episode 122 - Lady K Sailing
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Is a Moody Sailboat better than Beneteau sailboat?
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I sailed a brand new Moody 41 as delivery crew in 1983 from Gosport to Gran Canaria. Beautifully made boat and very seaworthy. We had one major problem in that the yard hadn't swung the compass properly and it was reading 4-5 degrees to starboard. We kept creeping too far to port down the coast of Europe. Thankfully the skipper owner was a member of the Royal Yacht Squadron and it was arranged for a Portuguese warship to help us accurately adjust the compass offshore from Lisbon. That was quite the experience!
4 years ago we buy a Moody 376 1987 and we love that boat. It is a tank, of course it is heavier than other sails boats which have the same size and a little bit less faster, but in an heavy wind, it is an other thing, we really feel in security in our Moody and it’s pretty obvious that it’s a very strong sailboat. We have no regrets to having buy this sailboat
Michel, où es-tu situé? Il y a très peu de Moody de ce côté de l’Atlantique et c’est difficile de consulter d’autres propriétaires. Si on pouvait communiquer, ça m’aiderais. Je suis sur Facebook à Kingston.
@@sylvaingagnon3211 salut, je suis de Montréal et je navigue sur le lac Champlain. Je suis aussi sur Facebook
Moody were at Swanick on the river Hamble in the south of England, the heart of the English sailing world. I have sailed several 70s and 80s Moody's. Angus Primrose the Bill Dixon were two of the designers They were one of the first to concentrate on centre cockpit cruisers. We used to say that Thornycoft engines make good mooring weights.
Hi Tim, I grew up in UK when the fiberglass Moody's were coming on the market ,your right they were always the higher end models that you knew you had made it if you could afford one. But they did come with good performance and good accomidation compared to similiar size boats.( high freeboard and center cotpit was one way they achieved this). The huge completion at the time was Westerly Yachts who produced fair quality boat for the every man. And in smaller starter sizes. ( Westerly were like Catalina was in usa ) But until later both only made cruising boats. Most other manafacturers were selling cruiser racers which were often race boats for the first year or 2 and then came out in the cruising versions, racing was big in the U.K(IOR etc). Many did not make the transition very well into cruisers , hence why the Moody's and Westerly lasted so much better.
One point you missed was Moody did not make their own hulls, they had the fiberglass work done by company called Marine Project ( in Plymouth if I remember right) this was the same place that made the Princess line of power boats you mentioned, and for other yacht companies. Halmatic was one of the other long term fiberglass manafacturers along with Tyler's, that like Marine projects, built hulls under contract to all comes. ( like IP in us subbed out their hulls).
The 70-80 Moody's were certainly built for the northern climates, where getting caught in a blow was part of life. Caribbean cruising was not how they were sold. Hence why they did not target the us market.
Thanks for reminding about Moody's, today they are amazing and different boats with the Hanese influence.
Cheers Warren
Talking about the fiberglass revolution.. I can remember seeing my 1st one.. I was sailing North..in my old wooden Snipe (hull #9186).. and coming South was a day sailor..in fiberglass.. I will never forget it.. I was so jealous. That was about 1961 or so.
My brother still sails a Moody 33 my father bought in 1978. Tough boat well built and still going strong.
Nice!
I've owned a Moody 34 since 1985. I crossed the Atlantic, cruised the Virgins and multiple cruises in the Bahamas . Lived in Annapolis and sailed the Chesapeake. Now based in New England, I have converted her to all electric propulsion!! I got rid of the Thornycroft after only two years!! Very little maintenance required in all these decades
I rebuilt a wooden boat in Moodys boatyard in 80’s/90’s. Swanwick is pronounced Swanick, the w in the middle is silent. I’m just looking at buying a 1971 Moody, built to Lloyds 100A1. They have a great following in the U.K. I used to skip dive in the yard as they used to throw so much teak and mahogany that was useless to them but gold to me. They had many of the GRP hulls moulded by Marcon Construction or Marine Projects in Plymouth. Happy days in the Marina there but now it’s lost it’s identity as just another Premier Marina. All the sheds and yard buildings have gone now sadly. Andy UK
I worked at the Boatyard opposite Moody's on the River Hamble, The Elephant Boatyard where Nelsons ship HMS Elephant was built. A lovely place to work, the owner Tom served his his apprentiship there at Moodys as did a couple of the marine engineers. Always regret leaving The Elephant Yard and the River Hamble is lovely, check out the yard website and the Jolly Sailor pub next door, a pub you sail up to....
Never Regret, there are Great Boat Builders all over the Word>
I also love my moody. Best bang for the buck and a great single hander. There aren't many in America from my generation, ask me if you really want to know about the older Moody boats!
Finally, a subjective view of Moody and an insightful one too. I have been looking at boats for over a year and educating myself on what boat to pull the trigger on. I fully retire in 28 months so I have a bit of time to do research. I have been looking at Beneteau, Catalina, and other production boats but the Moody 41 or 45 DS really cross many t's for me. It really is a cross between a catamaran and a monohull. They are not cheap but I would pay the extra bucks paying for the brand, hopefully, 2 years from now, there will be good options for me. Thanks for choosing this topic and always enjoy your knowledge of these boats.
Good job with summary. I didn't know that they were around before oyster. So I've learned to give them more historical credit where it is due.
Thanks for the overview
Learning, learning, learning!
As an owner of a 2015 41ac Moody very interested in your comments . For those interested in Moody history there is a book called The Moody Legacy by David Moody. We bought ours as while now built by Hanse (albeit in separate sheds) they sit at a mid price point between the more mass market brands and the Hallberg/Arcona/xboat Nordic offerings . If looking for another make to review /consider a Southerly/Discovery 42 or larger would be on my list for the lifting keel and build quality . The DS versions would be great for Med living but again at a seriously higher price point. If looking at sub 100k then a newer 36 or 38 (has extra heads) or the S versions if you want a newer aft cockpit . The sail area on the 41ac is good and self tacker and power winches with German main sheet make for easy single handed sailing if not berthing where drop down bow thruster assists. Keep on with making the reviews as always educational.
I have a 91 376. She still has the original Thornycroft T80D. I cant complain, she doesnt hardly drink oil. Always starts. Just a touch noisy. Boat is great! Id go anywhere in her...
I have a '98 Moody 46, sister ship to what's seen at 4:36-4:45. She's as well-built as any Oyster of similar vintage, and we absolutely love her. You'd be hard pressed to find a better interior at any price.
We have a moody eclipse 33 , gorgeous space inside and just a brilliant boat very well designed interior
Great video as always. Thanks for the efforts to make them. Sailed a Moody 40ds and I was impressed of the performance, handling and outfit of this boat. Definitely blue water.
why have I always thought Moody's were of similar quality as a Benehuntalina? The same league as an Oyster? wow. Why does John Neil say they are of 'modest quality, similar to a Catalina'? www.mahina.com/cruise.html
@@willyum1208 There is *definitely* a sweet spot with Moody build quality. The Dixon-design era boats that were built by Marine Projects are well beyond "Benehuntalina"; there is no comparison. Top-notch hand-crafted joinery from solid wood with no visible fasteners, spray lacquer finish, etc. The chain plates on the 46 look like they came out of a 60' boat, if not bigger.
Compare Moody 46s and 54s from the late 90s to early 2000s against Oysters of a similar vintage; you'll see what I'm talking about.
Thanks Tim always learn something watching you
sailed a '87 Moody 425 for 20+ years. Awesome yacht I think our's was the 2nd production boat ...so built like a battleship. Comfortable easy to sail and you could probably pick one up for about $100,000ish.
Thanks for the video.
We have an Moody S38 from 1996, wich is located in the middle of Norway. The boat seems to be an steady and well build. We have owned it since feb 2022 and is quite happy with it. Now said that, there is a lot of work to be done, upgrades, service and so on. I have never been a sailboat enthusiast and don´t know much about sailing, but my wife was and has some experience. Powerboats has always been my first choice. I must emitt that seing the boat moves when the sail is up is fasinating. Our max speed with sail has been nearly 10 knots, which was awsome. We are the owner #4. I am dreaming of one day sailing her international, and of course down to the blue waters.
Great video! Enjoyed the history lesson and perspectives you provided.
Love your videos, I learn a lot from them! Cheers from Hungary!
Terrific episode as always.
I own a 1982 Island Trader 37/38' Ketch.. the precursor was the Magellan 36/37. United Oceans international is the manufacturer. These were built at shipyards in Taiwan. Its grouped in with Formosa's and others affectionately kmown as "Leaky Teakies".
I've owned 2 Moody boats (both Dixon designed). They were both excellent, and way better than other boats available for similar money. Here's where I disagree with you regarding price - they are cheaper than what I view as their main rivals - Contests or any Swedish boats like Malo, Hallberg Rassy, Sweden Yachts, Najad, etc of a similar age. Some folk will prefer the Swedish boats for a particular reason, and they are all generally excellent, but you certainly pay for the brand name there. With Moody I think you get the quality but without such a premium. You're right that sometimes you have work to do to bring them back up to cruising spec, but that's the same with any boat of that era.
They are certainly not comparable to standard production boats like Beneteaus. Look at the rig specs, keel bolts, rudder type and stocks, hull layup, etc - Moody are as solid as it gets.
Totally right about buying the bones. Boats built in the 70’s, 80’s or 90’s are all in need of updated electronics, engines. Etc they have often had few owners and updated sporadically. Take Rivals or Bowman, they are also boats built by the same moulding companies as Moodys, to Lloyds and again great bones but need updating. Andy UK
Tell the story of S2 and slick craft. You are a good story teller my friend.
Great info. Thanks. Would love one of these on Cal 25's!
Since you like Moody’s ….. Take a look at Southern Ocean Shipyard blue water sailboats. Business ceased in the 80’s. Was based in Poole, England. A friend of mine found an Ocean 62 (built in 1983) 6 years ago for £70’000 which needed work. He’s very happy with it - even crossed the Atlantic 2 years ago with it. Many Ocean 60 models ply the Caribbean as charters so you may find one of these models in the US. This builder was renowned in its day. If you like a shorter boat, they also built a 41 foot model in 1975, the Rebel 41. Worth a look.
My father owned a Moody 36 circa 1979. Very heavily built boat but needed a blow to get it going. I would say quality wise they are somewhere between a Beneteau and an Oyster/ Halberg Rassy. Mainly 33 to 47 ft in length. The mass produced ones starting in the early 70s by Designer Angus Primrose. He was interestingly lost at Sea presumed drowned from a Moody 33. His understudy the now renowned Bill Dixon took over. Bill made the designs prettier on the eye IMO than the primrose designs. There are lots for sale here in Europe under 100k . Lots have done circumnavigations and you see lots of old moodys such as the 376 in really far flung places. The moodys of today since 2005 are very high end and mega money.
Ps never had any trouble with the Thorneycroft diesel apart from maybe a 35hp diesel wasn’t enough for such a heavy boat
The Moody 54 DS takes my breath away! Be happy, be safe.
You always do such a great job, informing people about sailboats.
Well done. And in perspective. The blue T does something to the video. Better contrast perhaps? Made the right choice in supporting your channel. Its like the Moody, well above the bunch. Thank you.
Honest evaluation
Well my late Grandfather had a moody 31 then a 376 in the 1990s on the west coast of Scotland we had many great holidays sailing round the west coast and Clyde estuary brilliant Yachts very comfortable and great to live on for weeks at a time and days out sailing . Everything was top notch and state of the art at the time very luxurious inside and out and I can say we never had any problems as far as I can remember great memories the engine was fine on both boats but my grandfather was meticulous on looking after them as he used to take charters out in the summer time but we had great times in all weather I can remember it was ruffly £30grand for the 31 and I think around 60 for the 376 both were new and had loads of great fittings ..
One brand I've never heard you mention is Tartan. I actually worked for Tartan in the late 70's on the 37' line. They are in my opinion at least a middle to upper quality sailboat as they seem to hold their value well. What's the chances in you showing a little love and do a video on Tartan? Actually a video on how many different cruising boats are out there or are still being built today. You're doing a great job, very informative. Any chance you're going back out cruising? Thanks, Dennis
Dennis, as I own a 1970 T34C, I agree with you that the Tartan boats and history is worth a review. Cheers
Tartan 345, solo, sea, sky, swoon.
Hi Tim,
I'm surprised to hear you lump Jeaneau and beneateau together.
For 100 years they were separate companies.
Older Jeaneau are I think superior as they are all 'stick built' without internal liners . Much easer to maintain and rebuild or modernize. .
Older beneateau embraced the internal moldings etc much earlier and were higher production boats , Prehaps not such good candidates for an older cruiser rebuild , but more available.
Yes the French government made them join up some years ago .
Cheers Warren
Thank you for a good episode, Moody 45 DS is high on the wish list, waiting with joy for someone to give me one ;-)
Forget the new Moody 45. Moodys produced by Hanse are crap. I met an owner of such a brand new 45 in Italy and he told me that upon delivery most systems on board di not work. It took them months to sort everything out before going cruising. The old Moodys however are excellent boats. Regards from Switzerland. Silvano
@@silvanocometta9760 as I understand it, there are always small adjustments when buying a new boat. It's not like buying a car. You have been talking to 1 owner, difficult to get good statistics on just one owner asked .... what was it that did not work more accurately? was it even the boat's original equipment? If he got everything fixed free of charge, then the guarantee worked 👍
another great and timeless review! BTW I love BMW's and own one, just not a boat, yet!
If you in Britain moody and Westerly are the most common boats . They really are in every mariner . They and the Westerlies are allso in every muddy creek because they made loads of bilge keels that can take the ground . Moody 346 is my dream, king of the bilge keels , Biggest thing you can beach . They about £45k .
Very interesting ; thanks. Subscribed.
Would really like to see a video on Sirius boats, especially when compared to Moody, Southerly and other deck saloons. Very much interested in a figuring out the best world cruiser with a lifting keel/engine capable of touring canals/rivers.
I have a hunter visions 32 it is a freestanding mast I would like to know more about the boards designed this way this is my second year starting my third season. I’ve ordered new sales from Percision sales and I am excited !
I am
Waiting on a review of George Olson and his boats . That would be a great and interesting episode . Thanks for these series , really great info as always !
Yep that would be fun!
Catalina 380 ?
cruising boat of the year 3 years running !!
enjoy what your doing..
Looking at a Moody 36 CC ourselves as Morgan, C and C, Pearson, Catalina, etc are rare in the UK. Prices in the States are much cheaper, just can't get out there atm
I have always liked the UK sailboat companies. Westerly, offshore yachts, moody, twister...list goes,on. They put boats in the hands of the everyman. I sail a tayana Vancouver, and a halcyon 27. Let me tell you,the smaller halcyon is the best boat I have sailed.
Love your videos Tim. Maybe do one on the 45' CC Gulfstar Hirsh.
This brand are the perfect choice between cats and monos. The modern ones are fab.
I have a Moody 36 c/c and love it.
Well done
Hi Tim , thanks for your vlog! We would love to have your opinion on Tartan brand.That is our dream boat 😎
Great boats Moodys
Thanks
What is your favorite deck saloon sailboat that one could cruise and spend 1/2 the year on? Reasonable price range for a couple ...what would the best size and years be? Looking for a near my retirement boat? Thanks!
I don’t want a BMW. I want a Toyota, but I’m not sure what brand that would be.
Ever consider a video on Sabre/Alden/Bristol/Little Harbor? Your videos are great, keep them coming!
Thanks for this content. I’m working on a Moody 36S from 1982. Bottom all redone, new huge keel bolts, new rudder. It’s a well built boat. Hopefully, it will get commissioned next summer. I can’t get to it because of the pandemic. Parts for the Thornycroft T-90 are available. I do like Yanmar but parts are very expensive.
What would you consider the best go-anywhere boat? I always lean Island Packet since they are built by tanks.
Also, have you considered doing a history of Southerly? Both, Ruby Rose and Distant Shores have sailed Southerly.
Somehow you didn't mention the iron keel boats. That seems to be biggest issue or at least a major worry. Any info or thoughts?
I like the new Moody's DS ..... but with seas having each day more and more floating hazzards (tree trunks, stranded bouys, floating containers) you will eventually crash into a tree trunk at sea on in a river.
I've got a 36' in Annapolis if ur interested---well equipped
I’m looking to buy a cape dory 30 to 35 to single hand and travel the world in? What is you view on them?
Better is better. Moody make a REALLY dry boat too. Any boat more than 15yrs old will need new devices in any event. The cost of VHF, AIS, wireless wind and chart plotters all connecting via WiFi mean we will all rethink the kit that's on our boats within a few years.
It sounds like its the 4Runner of boats. A little dated but set up well to go wherever you need. The BMW of boats would start breaking down in 4-6 years leaving it's owner with a barrage of costly repairs every month.
Yay
I am literally about to close on the exact boat shown at 2:14.
Another great vid. Would love your thoughts on the Beneteau 473. Just retired and we are looking at them. While we probably won't use for Blue Water crossings it seems it can handle that.
@@paulouellette6881 Thank you. I will look at those as well.
we have a Moody 44 1996 called Saviour and of course we love her. i enjoyed your video and our Volvo Penta engine works fine. She is 21 ton. :)
What is your opinion on a Hunter cutter 37 between 1979 and 1984
Is this boat considered to be a blue water boat?
Swanwick (pronounced Swanick) is a village in Hampshire is on the south coast of Britain. Full of very wealthy people.
How about Islander? Great story as the Bookkepper ran off with the $$$!
moody 36 we hired one when we where doing a sailing course (day skipper) in the 90s n one of the bloked Steeve bought the French Beneteau they are Not the same I realised the moment I got on Steeve's Beneteau the moody is a goood quality solid boats
I’d love to get some information and opinion on Tartan sailboats..The Tartan boats also seem to have better quality finishes. They also come with a heavy price.
I suspect Tim has Tartan and Sabre on his radar for future episodes.
Have you done a video on Bristol sailboats yet? I have a b32 and love the Bristol quality.
Back in the late 1990s and right up till the end of UK production, Moody yachts shot themselves in their own foot. This was because of their attitudes at the UK boat shows. I remember not being allowed to get on them at the London boat show for the whole of this time. They had an old fashioned attitude that if you are not wearing a suit or a blazer and slacks then you will not have enough money to buy a Moody. They were of course at least 30+ years out of date if not far more than that, with lots of well off potential boat buyers in very casual clothing. The same with Westerly yachts even though some of them, like the Moody's, not that large eg 28' or so but still persisted that 'our customers wear suits' attitude. The last time I had that was with British Hunter at the Docklands show around 2004 or so, ie a very poor attitude indeed for the position in the market they were in (smaller boats including home finishing kits) . In fact all the British manufacturers were a throwback to the 1950s and probably deserved to go bust. The French and US companies were quite different and far more open and accessible.
This might be blasphemy to say on a sailing channel but I don't like all the lines and rigging on on a sail boat. It looks messy and over complicated. I'm thinking I should just get a motor cruiser. But I kind of like the macgregor 26 that can plane and sail. It looks a bit plasticky but with some nice cushions I think it could have the clean simple look I like. To me it's about spending days or months at a great destination on the water. But it's also about costs. The wind is free and engines break down. So having a sail seems just like a smart idea. But I wonder if I could make some kind of rigid plastic or polycarbonate sail with an aluminum frame for the macgregor that just lifts up to catch the wind. Do you really need that front sail the jib? Maybe three quarters the size of a regular sail and the top few feet cut off. Probably a dumb idea or is it? lol Maybe I'm better off with just a motor cruiser with dual engines. I really don't know much about boats except what I learned watching youtube for a few years now. But I can't shake the idea of retiring cheap and early. I see a macgregor 26 for sale for 16k CND, another 30k for 10 years of food until pension kicks in. Another 30k in gas and solar. Another 24k in repairs and the occasional marina fees. Be nice to retire for under 100k. Any advice or does it just sound too crazy? I mean maybe I'd learn to love the the lines and sails on the macgregor and at least appear normal to everyone. lol
I should buying ? Can I have ur opinion about Moody Moody33 MK2
Thank u
Pls pls make a videp comparing motor-sailers vs sailboats and then maybe a series of videos about motor-sailers which sail well enough to be an alternative to sailboats.
the moody 42 with a 75 hp perkins and 80 gallon fuel tank... no wind? no problem... ha ha
Hinkley yachts? Always the gold standard
Cored hull it's not a question that it won't get wet and rot , but when. Bring your wallet
Sirius and Hanse is also similar boats.
Wasn’t there an issue with a model and rudder failure?
I'll take an Azuree instead, for a better build quality and performance, on any given day!
my 1988 Sundream was only £10k, granted had to invest about 7k into it and its smaller than 30ft
Here is an unusual yacht I have seen for sale Freedom 35 with bow mast and wishbone booms. Any good?
I would like to hear your opinion on the Morgan 384.
Every Moody I have seen looks like a boxy fixer and I would not want to sail it. There is a lot of sailing that is aesthetic. But I am sure they are strong and a good place to start if you want a project. a Swan or a Vagabond or Formosa have a classic look to me.
I have a Moody 42 Mk1, exactly like that one for sale for $75k... The Mk2 is probably more at that price tag, but certainly with all that out-dated and redundant nav, etc, it seems a little steep. I paid a lot less than that for mine.
However, a 1980 Najad 39 recently sold near me for $145k... It was immaculate, however; but nowhere near more capable than my M-42. So I'd certainly say a 1980 M-42 in an immaculate condition would EASILY be worth over $75k.
TODAY, however, I'd buy an Oyster or a Kraken over a Moody... The deck-saloon, gin-drinking design of Moody's these days is rubbish, in my humble opinion.
ps: Swanwick is up the Hamble River, off the Solent near Southampton. The same area as Oyster.
Swan Lake is on the South Coast of England near Portsmouth but Moodys are now built in Germany.
Swanwick not swan lake!
You said moody is the bmw of sailboats what about Toyota of the boats (affordable reliable)
Why does the rear deck run unhindered off the stern? That might be OK for a research vessel , but you're going to slip on a clamshell and launch into the drink. Some Beneteaus had very sexy sterns with the step flange behind a raised stern and that stern stopped waves from sloshing over the rear deck. I hate this Moody stern.
Can you dive into an 80's Kalik 40? I would love to learn more about this Korean made boat!
It’s a Swan knock off. Meant for racing, not really blue water, imo
@@branleyhd thanx
“core hull” or “solid core” correct terminology is sandwich vs monolithic.
Modern monolithic is better than older sandwich system.
The best is modern monolithic hull and sandwich decks.
Having a more flexible hull has better advantages over sandwich system.
Just on another note comparing Moody to a BMW is not really reassuring, I would compare it more as a Toyota or Lexus if you refer to luxury as BMW are not that reliable, just personal opinion.
Could you do a video on Allure Yachts please really like these type of videos
As a professionaĺ boat repair specialist with extensive experience of both Moody and Beneteau, there is no comparison. Moody make medium quality offshore sailboats. Beneteau are cheaply made to a price production coastal cruisers. Not a valid comparison whatsoever. Like comparing apples with oranges!
Bob Perry, Dick Stefen could be a good show with Mirage...
Great vid I bought a 84 oday 28 how can I get ahold of you like tp talk ask some questions
Moody zou ik kiezen.
Elan yachts
Swanwick (pronounced "Swannick") is a few miles east of Southampton