The Anti-iPhone - Fairphone 4
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
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Smartphones are notoriously unethical and extremely prone to becoming e-waste, but one company is looking to change all that… Can it be any good?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
0:52 The un-teardown (and the modules)
2:48 So who's behind this craziness?
3:28 More assembly and specs
5:43 Power-up and first impressions
6:32 Cameras and software
7:44 Display, speakers, and what makes it "fair"
10:36 Price, availability, and the competition
11:34 Conclusion - Věda a technologie
"Remember, swapping out your battery is always faster than charging"
- Some Scottish Chad
Well true... but you would still have to charge the battery that was swapped out unless you happen to have an unlimited supply of batteries. Still way better than just charging the one in your phone tho.
@@minbcraft chill dude it's a joke
Gaz wasn't Scottish, my guy. He was British
@@GutaniowiHailag inb4 BRI'ISH‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽
@@NoNameM9 BRI'ISH INNIT FAM
It's actually quite optimistic and hopeful that there are some companies who are trying to push this trend towards sustainability. Hopefully consumers like us continue to support them so that they may improve over time!
Lg G5😑 I did it and you spited on my face.
Seriously! I took only 2 minute remplace my display.
No one will support them, sheeps will just say it is not as refined as iPhone and stuff
why should I care fuck the planet
Unfortunately, they will probably never get any major kind of support
Its a gimmick, most people dont want repairable or upgradable phones
When my iPhone dies I’m getting a fairphone, and when my dell laptop dies I’m getting a framework. I love this concept. Additionally, I might not feel quite so compelled to put a fairphone in a massive case and worry about it constantly, since I know if something breaks it’s not a huge deal to fix it.
Unfortunately you can only get the fair phone in Europe
Honestly, same. I hope that in the nearest future not just techies and activists, but also average consumer jumps on this trend, making big industries move towards modularity, open software and hardware, and other power-shifting things.
@@DiamonC you could probably find a way and get it on a US carrier with a little hassle
I would still suggest to keep it in a case. It's cheaper and better for the environment
My iPhone died 1,5 month ago and I went for a Fairphone 4.
I was really apprehending going back to Android after years on iOS.
I'm not gonna lie, there are couple of features I slightly miss from iOS, like getting notifications when events are added of updated in shared calendars, but all in all, I am really happy with the move.
I love how linus is way more nice and calm about some of the features, unlike how other reviewers can tend to hate on it for not being as good at the absolute top of the line smartphones
I think Linus is one of the very few reviewers that actually have some sense with devices. He sees them as the tools they are, not the "statements" (or whatever) they try to be.
This shit aged like milk. Lol!
I'm so glad that companies like Fairphone, Framework, and Valve are going into repair-ability in devices like this.
Agree. There's also one more: Shiftphone (a more performance oriented fair-trade smartphone company)
Honestly I think it makes more business sense as well. If you are required to buy a brand new device if it gets too old or something happens to yours, you are able to each time decide what new device you want where as with these you can modify the phone how you want throughout its use making it last longer as well as be more inclined to stay with that device or company.
Wait, Valve? What are they doing
@@thelastdragonbender5824 this is just a guess but I asume he's refer to some swappable parts on the steamdeck
and eventually go bankrupt cause the idea is terrible
I'm still using my Fairphone 2. An understated advantage is that the ability to repair something increases effective uptime. When my screen was broken but still usable, I swapped it out in a minute once I had the part - I didn't have to send it in for service or leave it anywhere.
something about this just makes me so happy to hear
That is so valuable
Did it get an Android 11 update?
I have the Fairphone 3. I am currently thinking about getting the Fairphone 4, but i'm on the edge because the 3 still works great. I would like to have the newer components and 5G, but i don't wanna "waste" the perfectly good phone i already have.
Awesome! I got the FP2 on pre-order when it came out, but when the FP3 dropped I had to get it, performance just wasn't up to what I needed anymore :/ still running the FP3 though and hope to use it for a long time still as well.
this is an amazing idea. when my father's phone breaks, i'll probably get him this! he's really into sustainability and worked in a repair shop so this is just perfect for him :) thanks for bringing light to this, we need more phones like this one.
The Fairphone is only available in Europe.
@@Pseudynom im european
@@sam-ky9sj Well that escalated quickly
@@Pseudynom Disgusting Ami that thinks that everyone lives in burger land
@@anon6187 lmfao
Anthony has an amazing voice actually. it's like the perfect tone. not too high not to low. plus the guy is smart AF!
Yes but his weight is very unhealthy. He needs to lose some to stay healthy.
Where am I?
@@axonis2306Wow, thanks for pointing that out. Nobody noticed except you.
@@spacetoast7783 happy to help
"Oh god, I've got an extra screw." - Literally everyone anytime they finish putting something back together after taking it apart.
LAPTOPS
@@firecosmos LAPTOPS
And then you have to disassemble again... :x
@@L30NBL4NK or you're like "eh, other screws will hold, let me stash away this screw and never remember it again"
@@theblitz1687 I've seen that already with a laptop from 2004 I got from eBay, for like 20$, it lacked a lot of things, including the screws. All of them!
I had to buy a bag of screws from an italian seller for 7$ + 7$ shipping, that was a bit costly, but phew, now I can close the laptop's chassis.
I might legit buy it for my next phone solely to have the luxury of keeping a damn phone for more than 2 years without having to replace it due to a bad battery
when a verified youtuber only has 3 likes 😶
a lot of this is user error
just change the battery......??
change the battery after 2 years. It isn't impossible to find others to do it if you can't. No reason to keep dropping $$$ on new devices every 2 years
I don't think it's that expensive to get someone to replace a battery for you
This makes me a proud dutchman. There is a documentary on fairphone made by dutch television NPO for those who are interested in the origins and struggles the developer went trough.
Next time I'm in a position to buy a new phone I'm definitely going to get one of these
Removable battery alone is awesome
i busted a flagship phone (should look into if it's still busted) and will probably get this as well next year or so. But I forget if LTT ever made a full review video for it
same
needs a headphone jack
Most android phones let you replace the battery with a 10min CZcams Tutorial. It's not easy but it can be done at home
I'm enjoying the focus on user repairability on this channel. I'm the type of person to fix whatever i'm able to myself so it means a lot
Sadly the notch look so unnecessary.
Definitely, this is my dream phone for sure
it really is pretty refreshing.
Same
Same here
Linus: “I’m here to tell you guys I’m investing in a phone company “ lol
Yea I wonder if he will too. Just like for framework
A LOT more expensive than framework. Fairphone has been around for many years already.
apple ceo grinding his teeth and punching air right now
@@humongousballs they're still a tiny company compared to every other phone manufacturer. He dropped a quarter million dollars on FW. So that much may not get him a seat on the board, but will still get him a huge influence.
@@chrishayes5755 He doesn't care. I guarantee it.
I'm with Fairphone since the FP1 in 2014, I now have a FP3 and I'm super happy with it, I use my phone a lot during the day and I've never had any relevant issue. Absolutely recommended.
If I didn't use the camera on my phone in a semi-"professional" way, I would absolutely switch to Fairphone. I'm definitely going to be suggesting this phone to my friends and family though.
I am in the same boat as is my wife and I'm wondering if there is going to be an aftermarket for parts like that, since it is swappable and if so, would Fairphone support that.
It's an awful recommendation.
Google and Xiaomi are far better in specs and it's very rare for a phone to have many issues
@@Likeusb1 you apparently didn't get the concept of the Fairphone.
Brings a tear to my eye finally having products designed to be repairable again.
Hear, hear. A rare thing these days with all the greedy corporations designing built-in obsolescence.
"This" is the stuff that brings a tear to your eye.
Damn, lost times.
The fact that you can remove the battery is such an underated feature especially today where privacy is one of the hardest thing to find.
The old days of removing the phone battery
Literally plus being able to swap in a spare one if it dies and you're unable to charge is great
The last good android phone with a removeable battery, headphone jack and sd card support was the LG V20?
5:38 A bottle of milk is only under a pressure of a few inches of water (around 0.15 psi, depends on the height of the milk above the cap), which is 10x less than the 1 meter of water pressure that a phone can be rated to (1.5 psi)
It must be fate, that exactly two years after this video's upload, I decide to bite the bullet on a fairphone. Not the 4, but the 5. But now that I just placed my order, and waiting patiently, it felt nice to look back. This video made me aware of the company in the first place. And now, I'm getting one. Imagine. I'm so exciting
Absolutely YES. I pray Fairphone succeeds. This seems like the future. I do not mind the chunkiness, the bezels, poor camera nor water resistance for the simple fact that it literally is a device a person can repair themselves using OEM parts and get 100% original experience. Add the community into the picture and we have a phone that is better than everything else.
its not gonna happen man
@@natey9190 Said everyone when Google was in the making.
Yea I doubt it, it'll either get bought up by one of the giants or it'll be driven to extinction by them
@@Dell-ol6hb yeah that's capitalism, any good or consumer-friendly ideas are buried to death in favor of billionaires' profits. And to think some people who aren't the elite still defend it 🤦♂️
@@OkarinHououinKyouma totally
I have gained a lot of respect for Linus lately. I learned a lot in the NCIX and the early LMG days about building and working on my first build, and definitely owe a lot to getting me started over a decade ago. To see him supporting and exposing people to products like Fairphone and Framework I am even more grateful for though. It is what we need, considering how bad it has become. Given how devices have gone from bad to worse for repairability, the consumers, the workers, and the planet, we need products and companies like this.
A more approachable road is Apple.
Even to this day the iPhone X for Xs still hold good value, are still being used by countless of customers and are a good choice, easily repairable (we will see if this holds with the newer ones) and readily available
Yup that's why we all love linus even though sometimes he could be biased by sponsored..but his opinions and judgement are always 💯💯
@@jamesryan7684 yes way, lol
@@SamKernot
Yeah, but atleast you can find one on eBay for sale, and a screen for it too.
Try to find a screen for any android, you can’t find one for less than the wholesale price of the phone.
Also, I have changed the front face-id on iPhone X, Xs, and 11 and had no problems. I know some people do have problems but not me. Can’t speak on 12 and 13
@@qwertpoiuy430 the iPhone X isn’t easy to repair, but I agree. A lot of small parts that can’t be broken doing screen repairs. It’s doable, just not as easy as other phones.
RE 5:37: A meter of water is significantly MORE pressure than a milk jug cap experiences. The pressure is solely based on the height of the liquid. That's why we measure pressure in mmHg, it's milimeters (distance) of mercury. We measure in millimeters, not volume, because only the vertical component matters. Because milk has a similar density to water, you can express the pressure in mmMilk based on how many mm are between the center of the cap and the top of the milk in the jug. 1mmMilk is approximately 1.025 mmH2O due to the density of milk being about 1.03g/cm^3 whereas water is approximately 1 g/cm3. It turns out that a few inches of milk pressure is several times less pressure than 1 meter of water.
I'd love to see rugged and water resistant cases. Like, submerge for an hour case. For people who work in wet places, or construction, or just someone careless. I don't mind thick phones, I prefer it because I feel there's a better grip.
I REALLY like this video style between Linus and Anthony - the back and forth is just really fun and it just works with Linus as a generalist and Anthony as a bit more of a specialist here. Just a more fun watch t o me.
The 'Linux with Anthony' channel idea that's been floating around the audience would be the holy grail of LTT channels.
You are absolutely right! I would love to see some more content like this!
This
Clarification to the "watertightness":
It is very water "resistant", but not "waterprof".
The "IP 54"-rating means:
First digit is rating for dust and objects. It says "5" and that means "Dust protected".
Second didget is rating for water intrusion. Is says "4" and means it can handle water splashes from all angles, but you can't dip it in water.
I had my LG V20 for 4 years and still working. I'm not going easy on my devices. It's not water rated at ALL and has a removable battery: the only part bothering me is the usb type C connector not making good contact after all those years, that's all (probably because I'm working in potting soil everyday :D ).
Crazy what a good phone case, a screen protector and a pocket can do for you.
My S5 with a removable battery is IP67 rated, the same as the "remove features for water resistance" IPhone X, I do feel like this device could be better in water resistance, but that is a tiny price to pay for a product like this.
@@Carterthielftw_ The problem is what happens if you repair a modern phone. There's a good chance that it will cease to be water resistant, or will have less water resistance than it did new. That's what makes a phone like this potentially better. There are no seals that need to be broken (which is often the glue in modern phones), so it's designed to still retain the same level of resistance to dust and water as when it was new.
I've got some silicone which I used to seal a tail-light on my car, I wonder if that would be enough to seal it against accidental dips... >_>
@@daviddavies3637 I agree, and I really don't care much about liquid resistance myself, however after repairing a couple of IPhone 6s and a Droid 2 Turbo, both devices had glue that would have been more resistant to water than a fairphone even after 5-6 years. It's not a huge deal and I think the device is still a great deal, but It could go the extra mile to prove to people that repairability does not equal a loss in features
This is definitely something to consider when I upgrade phones! I appreciate the values of sustainability and repairability
I really like this style of video with the casual commentary/dialog and narration. It feels really nice and also very effective at conveying information. With the narration being very clearly done after the recording, it feels a lot more trustworthy, as it's more than just first impressions. Very nice. Also, this phone model seems so cool! I really want one!
Or maybe it is not recorded in post, but there iss such a difference in sound auality that it sounds that way. xd
Also, Anthony is awesome. If you're reading this, please give him a compliment. :)
Just USB ports by themselves could have saved me 100's of dollars over the years. Never mind the being able to replace a screen part.
same for myself and who knows how many others, it is not exactly common to see replaceable usb connector sub-boards..
Yeah, man! Same here. We're at a point where not very expensive cables are way more durable than even type-c connectors. This is really huge!
99% of time I just needed new USB C port or Samsung battery died. A $30 fix but they made it so you have to buy new smart phone. Or buy a fricken heat gun.
I always wanted a Fairphone 2, but didn’t buy it because “The most sustainable phone is the one you already own”. When my old phone broke, the Fairphone 3 came out, so I bought that. It’s awesome! Later they also released better camera modules which made it possible to upgrade just the camera while keeping the rest of the phone :)
Also, I think buying the Fairphone 3 (+) is still a legit option. No 5G, but you will have a headphone jack ;)
Honestly if the next one has a 120Hz screen and maybe costs slightly less I might consider it to be my next phone.
Because for the same money samsung can offer you specs wise maybe a slightly better phone being the a52, but with none of the servicability
Fairphone 4 doesn't have a headphone jack???? That's honestly a huge dealbreaker, i might just get the fairphone 3 or neither cause of that
Lol, my current phone has no jack either but am hardly using my phone for listening to music, I use Bluetooth when i really need too.
But, this will be funny, I still have my old Huawei that has a jack and use it for my retro computing needs, I use it as a old 80s tape deck for most 8bit computers I still cherish 😎
Yeah, why the hell did they removed the headphone jack? It's baffling to me.
@@gnarlin4964 Space saving, A couple millimeters is a lot on a device that fits in your pocket. (to sell the point, The main processor of the most phones is just slightly bigger than a headphone jack.)
Went through a bunch of hoops to get one. Definitely the type of product and company that is worth the extra effort to support in my opinion.
So glad you guys are looking at sustainable devices, I’ve just started watching LTT and you guys have given me a lot of interest in Tech!
I'm so happy we're coming back to repairable stuff, this is something that requires true engineering
It's not any more or less engineering, just different design goals. Miniaturization is generally the hardest, not just making separate modular blocks.
t. Mechanical Engineer that works in product design
Hello 👋👋👋
Not really, they're just cashing in on the framework "repairable" trend, It'll die in
@@ardaasil Nah I don't think so
@@YoranS yeah it will. Just like phone blocks before it.
Size, price and compatibility will always be behind premade phones. The more parts you introduce, the harder it is to make things all compatible. Buying individual parts with all that packaging, it ain't gonna be cheap.
I love the way he answers every Linus question like a google assistant…
Imagine having a Virtual Anthony built in to your phone! That would be better than a headphone jack.
Ok?
Someone smoked a bit too much weed ey?
I'd switch in a heartbeat. A phone that can relatively easily be repaired and refurbished at home, im sold.
Saw an article in the BBC about this phone and got it the next day! It's chunkier, a bit slower, and battery life is a little bit lower. But......having the piece of mind that I can repair/replace the screen and battery makes me my ore optimistic about using this phone for a long time. Would highly recommend the Fairphone!
"Imagine being able to replace the USBC"
*Me aggressively looking up if I can buy this in the states*
My s9 charging port broke it was totally my fault but when she I could replace it easily instead of wasting electricity wirelessly charging
As a Moto Z4 user this is the first phone I think I'd switch to, I get no US though, Carriers here are awfully aggressive and would never support this well.
Wait until you see what a replacement USB-C port actually costs: 15 euro (about 17,50 USD) but that includes 21% Dutch VAT. And you'd be able to replace it yourself in a few minutes.
Aaaaaaaand you can't
@@GlobuleProject It honestly really sucks. I would 100% buy this phone if it was avaliable in the states.
The EU should have a rule that devices must e.g. unlock their bootloaders and provide the blob drivers once they end official support. Android phones are, after all, basically small Linux computers. If the bootloader and drivers are available, it's really not that hard to create 3rd party firmwares, once the manufacturer doesn't support it anymore.
All android manufacturers are required to provide unlockable bootloaders. They don't do this out of the goodness of their heart; rather, it's part of GPLv2 compliance. Were they to refuse, it'd be easy to sue them for breach of contract.
i hope bootloaders arent unlocked by default that would suck to be banned from a ton of apps
@@HelixAdamOxford It would also nullify Factory Reset Protection because someone could just install a different OS on a stolen phone. It wouldn't make sense to have a bootloader unlocked by default.
@@HelixAdamOxford umm, I'm sorry what app? I think you are referring to rooting. I am yet to see an app that does not work on my evolutionX K20Pro (non-root, unlocked bootloader)
@@CrazyStranger11 Dumbest argument ever. If your phone is stolen from you, a software lockdown isn't going to magically bring it back. Even if you manage to track it with GPS, good luck getting to it before the thief chucks it at a brick wall out of frustration. Best you can hope for is to wipe it remotely before it goes offline. A locked bootloader helps no one but the manufacturer, period.
ive got a fairphone 3 since 2020, ive just recently upgraded the camera module to the 3+ one and gotten a new screen protector. its a little slower than when fresh out of package, but still works wonderfully. great video!
The important thing for me, is being able to get a nice case for it. Something heavy-duty, with a built-in screen protector type deal. Replacing parts is important to me, important enough to buy a $600 phone instead of a refurbished one. But not needing to replace those parts in the first place is important too.
I'm daily driving a 7 year old oneplus one and it does everything I want. This fairphone is more than powerful enough for my daily use and the prospect of being able to keep it alive for as long as I want is very appealing to me. Repairability matters and I want to see Fairphone and Framework succeed and more companies follow their steps/innovate in this sector.
Damn, how long does the battery last you?
I was in a similar boat, daily driving an HTC One M9 but it got to the point where the phone would get hot and everything would slow down just browsing the web. I ended up replacing it with a used Oneplus 6 that cost me $115 on eBay.
@@Gonbatfire Actually my original OPO's died last june, I assume it was the battery since it would shutdown when unplugged.
But luckily I was able to revive my brother's old OPO which had become unusable from software issues. I installed LineageOS on it and now it has a second life in my pocket :) Battery lasts a full day which is good enough for me.
@@madmatt2024 change the battery and maybe a factory reset if there is a lot of bloatware and shit and you are good to go
@@borispsalman Nope. Battery was changed 1-2 years ago and I was on Lineage OS so no bloatware. It still got hot. It's a known issue with the Snapdragon 810.
Linus:
"... is available on their website..."
The B-Roll:
"Temporarily out of stock"
I own a Fairphone 3+ and the parts do come back in stock pretty quickly (like, a few days) when they go out. I think it's just a case of only producing what they need.
The Fairphone 4 is available for pre-order so it kind of makes sense its spare parts aren't in stock at the moment. Fairphone 2 and 3 spare parts are in stock.
Man what's going on with these fake accounts on CZcams recently, like "Rita" and "Susan" in this thread? What's scary is that in these instances they even make logically sound and grammatically corrent replies. Yet their profile names and pictures clearly indicates that they are spam account.
Were they legit accounts, and have just been hijacked by bots? I see them everywhere, and feel like a big percentage of the comments are not from real people anymore.
I had several batteries for my LG V30 back in the day. Wasn't as waterproof as most phones today but it was super convenient.
The battery of my Iphone 5S "died" about 1 1/2 years ago (it was empty 30 min after charging while on standby), so I wanted to get a modular phone where I could replace things, so I got the Fairphone 3 at the time.
Had issues which were luckily on warranty but I'm really happy otherwise.
This phone was just the perfect choice for me, since I don't play mobile games (since the mobile games market is trash for the greater part at the time) and wanted a long lasting phone for daily drive usage.
"Remember, switching to your secondary -weapon- battery is always faster than -reloading- charging."
- Sun Tzu
Holy shit you're smart, imagine carrying a second battery, you don't need to charge it
I’m gonna going to buy as many spare batteries as I can because of this 😂😂
It's quite astonishing that the current generation has got used to the phones without backup battery, while everyone had at least one ten years ago.
@@fengwang3389Backup batteries were really not a thing in my country, everyone said that using anything but the original battery it came with could damage the phone
"Everyone's an atheist until they clog a toilet at someone else's house." - Sun Tzu.
I live in the US so I can't even get one, but the way they do everything makes me hopeful that there is actual people out there to care for the environment and other people 😀😁
except they removed headphone jack and now sell their own crappy non-fair (30% recycled plastics and slow charges so battery lasts a lil longer is best they can say) true wireless earphones that aren't in the slightest repairable. Just a desperate money grab with 0 care for their apparent ethics. I get that they probably weren't making enough money otherwise but it's just sad.
@@IdunDied so do they care about ethics or they can’t cuz no Leona
You have to choose one instead of just attacking blindly
Show us how could you achieve all of this extant practically ?
@@ko-Daegu by not removing headphone jack and not selling ewaste true wireless earbuds? Even then galaxy buds non-bean shape can have battery replaced quite easily, except not in case. Except again true wireless case is big box would be easy to make with replaceable battery but no they just resell chinese TWS earphones with no care. They already managed to make 3 previous fairphones with headphone jack, the omission of it is just money grabbing for their shit headphones which again go against their entire company ethos of being good for environment so yh it makes quick money, but thats what they CLAIM they don't do; making quick money from unethical products.
There are companies that accept Euro only products and ship them to the US. I can't give any off the top of my head but if you really want one, you totally can get one.
@@unknownv312 please tell us Americans what it is called; because we don't have that service here, and I don't even know how to Google it.
I used my fairphone 2 until recently, for 3 years easy. I bought it some months before the launch of fairphone3, that means the fairphone2 was already "old" in some way. It wasn't perfect, had some software issues and not a lot of updates. I had to replace parts 3 times, and it used to get reaaaally hot with ressource consuming apps.
I am hoping these issues got fixed, because Fairness and reparability are worth paying extra.
The Fairphone 3 was quite a lot better than the FP2, my fleet of FP2s (one for every member of the family and 1 spare) almost all needed the bottom microphone and/or charging port replacing at least once. Since moving to the FP3 the only problem I've seen is one where the screen went black after the phone was dropped, I took it apart and screwed it back together and it started working again. Now I've got a FP4 and it's been working without problems for six months or so.
Had someone come into where I work with one of these, it was interesting to see one in person!
Honestly spec wise they were lagging behind a lot for a while, the fairphone 4 is really the first phone that I feel like I could justify buying in comparison to their previous products
@@ns___________7405 can u stop
@@charkielarkie6517 Report them for pornography. Enough flags show up in the system from people doing that and at least that account is gone... I know, bandaid on bullet wound, but still... don't even respond to them other than reporting.
i would... if they would promisse a pro camera module in the future...
@@charkielarkie6517 can you realize responding to spam only makes it worse
(I rather wonder why LMG doesn't routinely shadowban that shit from all of their channels while checking comments)
I mean, i would think it'd be hard to keep up spec wise and design something that's so fixable...
9:04 This is huge! If they actually follow through on 4 years of software updates this becomes a lot more competitive
The did on the previous model, so unless they go bankrupt I fully expect them to keep that promise. And if you take into a account you will have a perfectly usable phone for the next 5/6 years it suddenly isn't as expensive anymore.
I'm using a Fairphone 2 which released in 2015. We got an upgrade to Android 11 almost six years after it originally released.
chip set: Oh shit
It would also be pretty smart to follow the Apple iterative upgrade pattern.
An incremental change every generation, and a redesign every other generation.
That way they could even support something of an upgrade path for existing phones
I love this idea, I would like to see beefier SOC, and would even be willing to pay for that, Even if it's bigger. I love seeing self repair growing the way it is.
My favorite part of the phone is the sustainability. My least favorite thing is the screen. I watch a lot of CZcams and if you don't look at the screen completely head on I feel like the colors distort. I don't know if that is because I pay more attention to that thing nowadays or if it actually is worse than say a Samsung phone that I had before the FP
My Shiftphone (equally repairable) doesn't have the screen distortion you mentioned, though the battery might start expanding in size after like three years of use, then you should just get a new battery. Also the phone case might start cracking and breaking apart after like three and a half years of use. If you want something repairable that lasts for years and has a pretty okay screen, get a shiftphone. they're based in germany and the Shiftphone 8 is currently in development. (I think there's still a few ones left to preorder at a lower price than the projected price of the final product but I can't guarantee that)
Got the Fairphone 3. It's lasted me 2 years already with almost no drawbacks. Still as fast as day 1. Imo Phones should last for 6 years until you really have to replace them and Fairphone is totally the right step towards it. Thanks for bringing attention to this awesome company.
same here.
sad to see the headphone jack go as a friend of mine considered a fairphone 4 for her next daily driver and that was a dealbreaker.
They really are doing a great job with the fairphone 3 for me.
@@dernervigetypausdernachbar2307 actually bluetooth does the job just fine, else type c headphones also will work.
@@dernervigetypausdernachbar2307 I also value the headphone jack. Guess I am lucky having bought the old model. I don't think it's as much of a deal-breaker nowadays though. There are affordable wireless headphones if you are not an audiophile. Still you're right there...
@@sa34w Bluetooth devices typically do not have a replaceable battery or are repairable in any way.
@@daedalusololo8717 worst case: get an usb-c to 3.5 adapter
“Imagine how many devices you’ve had to replace because a port broke”
No fucking joke here, broken ports have been the thing that pushes me to change phone throughout several years. My last phone had microphone issues though but the one before it had port issues and probably the one before that aswell. I've only had 1 phone crack the screen, I've had 1 flip phone (remember those?) break in half, but other than those, it's usually just very minute issues that led me to upgrade. I think even one phone I had to upgrade because Apple stopped supporting it for software updates and the phone literally turned slower than a brick.
Edit: I'm 100% buying a Fairphone once I upgrade from my current one. I'm almost tempted to get one right now (I won't since it's a waste when my current phone works fine), but it's been quite some time since I felt that way. The samsung flip screen stuff seemed cool aswell several years ago until lo and behold it broke as expected. Other than that I normally don't feel excited to get a new phone while I'm fine with a current one, feels like a waste of money to be frank.
In the last decade I've had to upgrade two phones for security updates, and one phone because the battery was dying. My current phone cost about 50% of the cost just to replace the screen, and has a janky charge port. With a Fairphone I could have had phones last a lot longer. (Just need this last one to last until they officially sell to North America. :)
I’ve never broken a port on 10+ years using smartphones.
With the switch to USB C the port breaking issues is a lot less of a problem
@@AileTheAlien
Lmao security updates yeah I'm sure a hacker is just waiting for you
I've had a number of iPhones over the years and no port has ever broken on me. And they were always phones that were already pretty worn out. Maybe this isn't an issue with the lighting port?
Cool, thanks for this!! I knew about it already and checked it out, it's very nice, like the laptop manufacturer where many parts are replaceable... Love it, we and our environment seriously need hardware like this
Is funny how Anthony knows basically everything haha
he knows how to research and read notes
if only he knew about portion control and working out
Another thing we should call out manufactures for, is including cheap charging cables. Imagine if phones shipped with a braided cable instead, it would last way longer and save a few cables from ending up in the landfill.
I used to have a rugged cat phone with what I thought looked like a rugged cable, and so far my Fairphones charging cable has lasted a year longer
OnePlus provide excellent cables for their phones
Here is the thing: Fairphone does not ship with a cable or charger.
And I like that approach. I've already got a bunch of chargers at home. I got great cables already at home. Why produce more that will end up in a landfill while being barely used?
@@TsukiShimizu While this is a great thing in principle, My Fairphone3 is very picky regarding which charger it accepts. And I don't mean accept as in quickcharge or anything, just straight charge. My old-ass Sony chargers worked, but took several hours to charge the battery. My even older HTCs didn't work, as well as the very recent Huawei from my wife's phone. In the end, I had to buy a charger, and ensuring I got the right one wasn't easy or straightforward.
@@TsukiShimizu When done right, shipping phones barebones with no accessories is fine. I'd give Apple props for it, except for the fact that they claim it's to be environmentally friendly but at the same time nothing they do is environmentally friendly.
I feel like mid range phones are underrated. Most people don’t need a high end spec camera or a super high refresh rate or even QHD display. Support and battery life is mainly what matters now.
ikrrr. like rn i daily drive a crappy $120 lew end phone but that's only because my parents don't want me to have a phone that games decently but even then im really happy with it. a mid range phone is probably the best option for most people because it won't burn a hole in your pocket and it'll still have decent performance with a good camera
Yeah! I just got a Galaxy A52 after my S7 bit the big one, and it's fantastic! And it's still got a headphone jack!
Correct, but I hate when some of them have quad-camera setup with a macro, depth and AI camera, yet they can't put a proper high res display.
I am using a Realme C3, and as Steve says, it's all about managing your expectations. Not everyone needs 12g of ram/ 144hz qHD screens with 10 different cameras
Battery life and support is why I bought an iPhone. I plan on keeping it for a minimum of 4 years.
I own a Fairphone 3 for two years now and I am happy with it.
Would love to see fairphone and framework partner on stuff, that would be dope!
Just keep in mind that when the fairphone 4 launched, there was still software support and some spare parts available for the fairphone 2, and no that is not a typo, for the fairphone 2. Also, they have earbuds and headphones with the same philosophy: headphones are repairable and have replacable batteries, the earbuds have all the features like anc, touch control and in ear detection and you can buy the left and right bud as well as the charging case seperately. Good stuff if you ask me!
I just ordered one and can't wait to use it :) thank you for the video!!
Tbh I'm kinda tired of the super streamlined features and "thinner than ever!" stuff in phones. I've rocked big boi galaxies and cheapo walmart smartphones alike and they both work the same in the end. What I really want is a beefed up version of this - a half inch thick, steel cased, completely modular, repairable, upgradeable behemoth that can take a hit and uses it's extra space for pure unadulterated power and tech that can be continuously changed with next gen upgrades or modifications whenever. Effectively a phone like this but built like a PC tower. I'm very excited to see how fairphones advance if they can get the funding up and up as they take off
I've rocked big boi galaxies and cheapo walmart smartphones alike---most crackheads do!
@@slipknotskullface nah crackheads either run burner flips or "found" iphones
Same thing here, I'm looking into getting a Rog phone as my next phone, it's powerful and ergonomic ( read as large ) enough that I won't need a case because it keeps slipping out of my hands, plus that have a headphone jack, only downside is that they don't have (at least up until the RP5) water protection, but I never have dived with a any of my phones so far, so that won't be a problem.
I don't see what possible advantage could large mean. It's not really "ergonomic" as someone said above, it only serves to make it heavier and not as good to hold.
@@slipknotskullface oh an iSheep
I think this would work best in an enterprise setting, coming from an IT background. Imagine an employee phone has a component break and the fix changes from shelling $700 for an S10 or A11 and instead having extra components to fix a broken module. I think if they took this to a tablet then it could further rock the enterprise world. I also want to see JerryRigEverything’s take on this
I'm typing this on a jailbroken HD8+, highly suggest it as it requires nothing to swap things like battery/display
I could see the issue of the company not wanting to bother to go through that kind of work
Batteries. Most high end phones are fine to run Outlook, PowerPoint Mobile, Excel and a web browser (you know business stuff you would do on your phone) for several years. But without software support (security patches mostly) and the ability for the darn thing to make it through the day, they turn into paperweights in 2-3 years.
This thing should be selling like hotcakes to enterprises (maybe a custom version with better water resistance and a couple of external torx screws so employees aren't messing around with IT's stuff).
JerryRigEverything did do a take on it! "This feels like cheating" 😀
I'm on my Fairphone 2 since it launched and I never missed anything in terms of performance, and I love the weight it has, I never have the feeling that it will fly out of my hands, and even if it would, who cares, I can swap a screen without touching a screwdriver plus even though I never cared about the screen being damaged I have not one scratch on the screen of my 5-6 year old FP2
This looks awesome. I just wish I could get it here in the USA. I resisted upgrading from an old phone that still had a removable battery for so long, and now I seriously miss being able to open my phone. I'll use my current S7 edge until it just dies of old age, but I'd love to replace it with something more repairable and sustainable when that time comes.
I'm still rocking the s7 as well and really don't have any desire to upgrade anytime soon. Just not a fan of the newer phones. The thing that's killing me though is the battery on my s7 is old and doesn't last as long. I'd love to be able to just easily swap it out. I'd definitely consider upgrading to the Fairphone 4 if it was available in the states.
As the official tech repair person of my family, everyone should have this phone.
"Would you consider switching?"
I've wanted to buy one since the Fairphone 3 was announced. They don't sell a US version. If they did I'd switch in a heartbeat.
Same! 😭
What exactly is different about phones in the US compared to Europe, apart from the charging wall plug? Are there specific regulations it must be in regulation with that dont exist in Europe ?
@@Chloe-ch6mc EU has some different frequencies for their phones so you might not get full support of some bands like 4G/5G depending on carrier.
I just wish they'd make one that isn't enormous. This is bigger than the Note!
Are there different US antenna bands? I've purchased unlocked US phones and used them throughout Europe with a wall plug adapter, never had any issues. Assumed this would be the case the other way around as well
If I didn't buy a phone a few months ago, I'd seriously consider this
Perhaps in a few years when this phone dies, and theirs gets less compromises
Would be interested to see an updated view, with the news that the Fairphone 4 is coming to the US specifically with e/OS, rather than stock Android.
Just imagine if you could build your phone like you can build a pc. That would be awesome.
Definitely getting a fairphone after mine is broken. Wish I knew about them 2 months ago, then I would have bought that instead.
Nice
Think that u will be getting the new one with 5 years warranty
Now its not out yet
imagine using Snapdragon 755 at almost 600$
@@neggas- imagine all your purchase options requiring child labor and toxic work environments.
When Fairphone gets flagship specs and can be fully repaired...
Linus: *LTT decided to go all in to the moon and invest in Fairphone company*
If Linus putting $500k in gets this a headphone jack, I will not oppose, for purely selfish reasons.
@@rossmanngroup We can only hope
@@rossmanngroup we would invest a lot if it is competitive
Now is that time, when prices are low. Long-term investments are risky, but that's what makes them so profitable in the end.
Fairphone isn't publicly traded, though.
Sounds like an awesome phone for easy repairs from work accidents. I'm all in for it
The replaceable port would really help with things that don’t have wireless charging like my iPhone 7 that I had to replace because the charging port broke
When my OnePlus 5 stops working I'm probably getting one of these.
OnePlus gang 🤜🤛
@@andyfritter Also have OP5 and still waiting on something decent to replace current phone with.. nothing in sight yet -_-
Didn't expect to see you here huge fan btw you taught me how to overclock and not get ripped off
I still use my OnePlus 2 lol
OP5T here. it's definitely appealing.
Rumor has it that taking any camera and pointing it at Anthony makes it instantly twice as good.
Ah, the fabled Anthony LUT pack. it’s never been recreated!
I'm so glad the industry is going this direction! Keep up the great work guys
One small company does not make an industry
This is amazing, and I really hope this influences other phone manufactures.
No headphone jack
_"We were THIS CLOSE to greatness"_
Meme aside, it's a great device - hopefully, the Fairphone 5 has a 3.5mm port. Oh, and an OLED screen.
*EDIT:* *This is for everyone defending removing the headphone jack.* Many IEMs are capable of having their cables replaced. I own the KZ EDX Pro, ZSN Pro X, and ZEX - *all of which,* can have their cables removed and replaced at any time. Cables can range from long, short, have 2.5mm, 3.5mm, or use a Bluetooth adapter for wireless connectivity.
Unless your phone has aptX capabilities built-in or given through Magisk, you will *ALWAYS* be in a *MAJOR DISADVANTAGE* in terms of audio quality. You do not even account for things such as the *degredation* of the unit's battery life _(which makes wired devices with replaceable cables superior in this regard)_ and its striking issues regarding *latency.*
I have a KZ Z3 which is KZ's latest TWS unit. It uses Qualcomm's QCC3040 chip and features the latest in Bluetooth with BT5.2 and AptX technology with aptX Adaptive. It has 1 set of balanced armature drivers and 1 set of dynamic drivers. While the spec. sheet may sound impressive, I would say that my wired IEMs sound better, if not - at the very least - comparable. There is better clarity, soundstage, unnoticeable latency, and I do not need to charge or worry about charging at all.
As a Legendary-ranked _(since the third season since the game's release)_ Garena solo queue Call of Duty Mobile player _(not bragging, just trying to make a point),_ no matter how much the company advertises it, there will always be a delay when it comes to audio as *there will always be a need for processing.* TWS is just the most noticeable when it comes to latency. *The higher your level of gameplay, the more unfeasible it is to use.* I get about 80-200ms delay on my Z3's using my Snapdragon 845 Google Pixel 2 XL even with high performance mode on and I assure you that as much as I love how my Z3s look, feel, and sound, *using my TWS puts me at a disadvantage when gaming.* There is a reason that you don't see professional gamers or streamers using TWS during their gameplay - and that's because it sucks when it comes to latency. *YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE.*
*Removing the headphone jack is anti-consumer, anti-environment, and anti-Right-to-Repair.* Defending such trends that remove _(not even replace)_ useful features is to support Apple and Big Tech pegging its customers from behind. *Blind compliance and brand loyalty lowers overall buying power.*
*_Competition breeds innovation, sure, but vote with your wallets all the same, you nerds. Your children will thank you._*
And no notch/punch hole etc. If they can provide all these under 500$ I'll probably be in by the time my mi 6 - sd835 - isn't enough anymore or it breaks etc. Otherwise I really don't break my devices + I can already replace parts on the newer stuff so it's not too big of a deal for me yet.
@@ccelik97 plus a free unicorn and a handie /s
And can be bought anywhere outside "Continental Europa and the UK".
once they drop it... i dont think it will come back
you can still buy the fairphone 3, which does come with a headphone jack :)
I got so happy seeing how easily he removed the battery, ah the days where you could just open the back cover and remove the battery when ever you wanted.
❤️ LG V20
Right? Thought that was a fever dream since havent seen a phone where i can do that in so long
>Phone froze
>Holding on/off button doesn't work
>Yeet the sucker on the table to remove the battery
@@malakimphoros2164 lol
This video made me buy this phone ! It's been a year and its great ! Its crazy because there is a 5 years warranty too !
This company is definitely on the right path! I really miss removable batteries. I’ll take a little bit smaller battery if I can simply take it out and replace it a charged one. I think if they get their name out there more and then make a high end flagship a lot of people would buy it. I know I would!! They could make different camera modules with different camera combos, different speakers, different displays and so on! I hope they get more recognition and business really takes off for them.
"the battery, which comes out just like that"
Wasn't that normal some years ago?
Yes it was
I have the Galaxy S5 and I can also do it xD
That is why he literally says "remember that?" immediately after your quote.
I remember everyone I knew that carried a spare battery on them to swap out when they got low
That is so un-premium ...yuk
@@davel7037 ok
12:58 As a product developer, I can say professionally, that what Linus says here is unfortunately true of most customers faced with the choice of buying something that appeals to their sense of social values vs a product that satisfies their needs/desires.
See: Apple users
@@WuKuVex Trying to appeal to their social values, yea
To be honest I think the price has to come down, It's a hard sell when you compare it to a phone of the same specs you could almost buy two for the price of this.
Need to climb the social hierarchy is a very real need for a lot of people. It also helps to drive innovation
As a Low Volt Tech (I built smart homes and shit) I seconded this. I can't count the number of times I try a sale people exactly what they need to get the job done. Just to have them over complicate the design and then bitch about how had it is to use the thing. And pay at least double the OG price quoted.
I wish this grows more, into more better products, more awareness, clients, etc. It really bothers me when I cannot repair a phone because a certain part is not avilable or unable to dismount. It would be nice if they can drift away from Android too, maybe in an open platform like web / html, adapted for phone functions; and so everyone can write apps.
I will definitely keep this in mind when my current phone goes. Very cool how eco friendly they are. Good video team!
This is really impressive - the missing headphone jack is a bit depressing, but everything else about this is really cool. I've seen some people complaining about the SOC and I get it, but its still pretty respectable, and I think the 6GB RAM will help if you like gaming on it and whatnot. If I didn't just buy a new phone 2 months ago I absolutely would pickup one of these bad boys
Yeah don’t like that either or the fact SIM card and micro sd card tray removable. Wonder if that’s due to regulations like calea law or something but it’s unfair to consumer not being able to separately remove or disable the modem on the phone. Specifically for cellular data.
I don't like how they removed the headphone jack, right when they released their own wireless earphones, seems kinda disingenuous
@@sys-administrator it's not just about sound, also convince like charging and listening at the same time
@@sys-administrator doesn't matter how good they are, they exist. I'm glad I can move my headphones from desktop to laptop to phone to portable game console. Don't run out of battery, don't lose one of the buds, don't cost as much, don't have as limited a lifetime, and can be fixed. Bluetooth headphones have a place, but so do wired ones. I don't wanna be bullied into buying wireless earphones because they make money.
@@sys-administrator I really couldn’t give a shit about the DAC when i’m using two dollar earphones from Kmart, just give me the fuckin’ aux port.
love the statement of providing products that are "affordable, responsible, and ethical", seems like we need a scoring system applied to all products showing those 3 numbers and combined score. Even a website showing those 3 values for common products would be great.
Looking forward to trying a Fairphone next time. It'll go well with my Framework laptop which I'll buy as soon as they let me have UK version.
Love this device, and would love to make it my next phone when my iPhone XS finally kicks it for good, but they don't have any plans to expand out of the EU, for now.
I highly advise a Google/Xiaomi phone instead of this, the specs are shit on this phone
The last time i saw a proper phone with a removal battery was a nokia lumia from 2015.
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The LG G4 has a removable battery like that as well. I think the G5 (or G6) too since it was designed to be modular.
Samsung XCover Pro has a user replaceable battery. 🙂
Guess you've missed the LGv20 train
God I loved those.
I'm so tired of Marketing gimmicks and over hyped minor upgrades that I'm seriously considering to buy this one as my next phone.
Sure, it has compromises, but with guaranteed OS updates and Sustainable practices this little company is doing far more than the industry giants.
Also, this evokes a child like curiosity inside me, a feeling I had over a decade ago when smartphones were up and coming, which has been thoroughly replaced by boredom, thanks to tasteless designs and upgrades.
I think I'm going to love using this. Kudos to the team behind this, I knew of fairphone before but was hesitant to make the jump, but this is a compelling package.
Do you live in Europe?
What phone do you use?
The concept is great, I appreciate it so much. The only weak point is water resisatance. Waiting for a rugged one with the same philosophy...
Im considering getting a fairphone once my current phone doesn't work anymore. The only think that I don't like is that it's pretty pricy for its performance. But you can't expect cheaper prices if you want all the workers to be paid fair, so I guess I have to accept the price
I was actually surprised that when he started talking about the bottle and the milk jug he didn’t start talking about the ltt water bottle
Love to see Fairphone, Framework, Free / Open Source Software, and all these ethical tech movements getting some limelight! Wish Linus could invest in them all 👍
there were some cases that were water resistant/proof, i know the Iphone 5 or 4, had a case that had a plastic screen protector inplaced in the case itself so when you snapped it together the rubber would seal, the only thing i saw bad about it was that the jack, and charger werent the best. so there may be a case out there for it in the future
Thanks for showing that, i'm definitely going for the best phone with this mindset when i change my 6 years old one (hopefully still in some years!)
I think this review was the last little thing to push me actually buying this one. I really like their philosophy, and I'm still on a Moto G4 I bought in 2017 for 160 €, so any current mid-range phone will be a big upgrade.
And honestly, since I always take about sustainability in my consumption, a phone should be in there, too.
Can relate. My phone is doing ok for now, but I'm definitely gonna get farephone when this dies. The price is biting, but I think it's because the other manufacturers got used to certain price levels that doesn't really reflect the real, fare cost of manufacturing (minerals, labor, etc)
I bought a Moto G6 2 years ago and it broke randomly when I plugged it into my computer. Would've kept on using it if not for that.
No doubt about it I will get it one of those when my phone dies
i've got moto g5s from 2017 and now looking to buy moto g60 looks good enough i hope motorola kept doing good stuff with phones
@@kintrbr Yeah, I need to switch my old iPhone 5 and the only thing stopping me from getting a Fairphone is the price, but you do have to take into account that they actually pay their workers a living wage and get their materials from ethical sources (at least they say they do).
Next video...
Linus: Why I invested in fair phone!
I said the same thing 😂
@@xnsound I also did that.
I'd love for him to do that if it helps bring them to the States
Ok
I wish Linus was a Linux enthusiast so he will invest to Pine64 😆
I'm using a phone from 2013 in 2021 (not as primary). I've repaired it using parts from the other used phone (it's rather like combining two phones) of the same type. So this Fairphone thing can be done with other lucky common phones, except for software support. It's Android 4.3 but that's fine for my use case.
I was doing the charger port for my old Pixel XL and the replacement would cause the USB port you plug it into to short out. I quickly learned that iFixit > eBay parts. I like the idea of a manufacturer selling real parts directly...