@@vividmotion66 Hi Alexander. I haven't seen Tilta list a required minimum, but most 4x5 filters I own are all 4mm or 0.16" - I believe that is a standard size for 4x5 filters.
I got here after reading your review on B&H. I am glad I did. Your video reviews of both Tilta products were very informative, and you made them interesting, thanks. I was on the fence, mind you it was a high fence, but you convinced me to leap into the Tilta.
You can't imagine how much I enjoy your videos, man! Did I hit the bell?!? Yes I did. lol... Funny, lots of info and super cool editing. You ALMOST convinced me (almost) I also have the Canon EOS R and I was looking at some matte boxes and true, they are expensive... mmm, I was looking to something with the four windows, what's the name? the one on top is eyelashes... don't know the name of the other ones, anyway you got the pic! .... Thanks dude you're rocking the s**t out of that tilta thing! it looks really good and the price is awesome. Hope this is not too old if I decide to buy it! Cheers
Haha thanks Ruben! Really appreciate that! Yes the Eyebrows on the sides and top flag on the top. The Tilta is definitely a good option for the price, and it just came out in January 2020 so shouldn’t be too old. Bright Tangerine also makes some nice matte boxes too. We’ll try to keep the videos coming for ya! Thanks for hitting the bell. Woohoo! 😀🤘
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Just subbed, love the delivery and humour! In the last few days been really plagued with the light and dealing with the contrast and saturation from the image just disappear at certain angles, been wanting a matte box for a while and this seems perfect
Thanks Byron! Appreciate the sub! Yes this little matte box should help reduce that glare. That top flag has been a life-saver in certain situations for me. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
I like his dissociative identity presentation with his primary personality sharing great info, plus interjections from his secondary personality "Cletus".
Thanks! That’s a better psychoanalysis than my therapist! She just told me I needed more lithium and to “not think about that trip with the Scout leaders to Amsterdam”. 😆..😧
Thanks appreciate that! It's a little bit of a mixed bag in my experience...this is Tilta's official response to using circular filters with the Mini Matte box: "No not all circular filter are compatible, however, that filters must have an outer diameter of 85mm or smaller to mount to the filter adapter rings as they are limited by the physical size of the Mini Matte Box’s opening. This means many 82mm filters are too thick to properly mount to the 82mm ring adapters. Any filter that is stackable can mount to the lens first, then be secured to the ring adapter via the filter’s internal threads."
I’m late to the party with this response (just discovered this channel), but that’s EXACTLY how I use it. I had not even considered that you could attach this directly to the lens with the rings and use square filters on the front. So, I was using it backwards, but it works well with the Black ProMist screwed into the tilta ring and then attached to the matte box. Like I said, I didn’t even consider that you could attach this directly to the lens. I attached using the 15mm rod clamp. The way that is shown in the video will open up a whole new use for this box when I can’t use my giant JTZ matte box or when using a gimbal.
Hi Joe, See the comment thread below....ekphotography was able to test the VND and it works with his setup. And yes If you're using an 82mm Ring you would want to use a 82mm filter....(it comes with 4 sizes, so you could use any of those 4 sizes) tho, technically you may be able to use a smaller ND filter like 77mm for example then use a step up ring, to get to the 82mm thread, but not sure if you'd be able to turn the filter in that configuration, and not sure if it would make sense to do that...lol
It says on Tilta product page that "cine version adapter rings (80mm and 85mm) will be made available soon", so technically it will be possible to adapt it to some cinema lenses
Demetri Zuev yes we did mention that in the video. But even if the front diameter is 85mm, it will only work w lenses that have a 77mm diameter of the actual lens barrel. Most cinema lenses are wider. For example even the new smaller Xeen CFs are 95mm. But there are a few that will work like the Rokinons that we show in the video ;) thanks for watching!
Hey, great review. I’m thinking of getting the mattebox, but I don’t wanna dish out $250 on a 4x5.6 ND. I have the Sigma 18-35 which is 72mm in diameter. Would I be able to attach the mattebox and the 72mm step up ring to the sigma if it has a circular ND on it?
Thanks Matheus! I hear that. I think it should work - another commenter had mentioned that he put a variable ND on and it worked for him. I’m not 100% sure but I can test ours next time I get a minute. Also maybe @tilta can offer some info as well.
Great overview! Just one question: are the adapter rings always necessary or can you clamp the matte box directly on a lens that has an 80mm outer diameter from like for example lenses that have been cine-modded by Simmod?
Thanks! Appreciate that! It won't securely mount on without a ring. According to their website they do say that: cine version adapter rings (80mm and 85mm) will be made available soon. But there may be a way to "rig" it on with some experimentation, but haven't tried yet! Hope that helps.
I bought one but what is not clear is if you can use VND filters and if so, how do you turn them? When I get it in the mail I will try it but if not I cannot see how this will work well. Almost everyone uses VND threaded filters.
@@FilmJams Thanks, I will find out soon when I get to Miami tomorrow. But I cannot see how it will spin easily since the Matte box clamps to the ring and it seems pretty tight. at least from the images I have seen.. Thank you! I have a 77mm VND by the way. Good thing about BH is if it does not work I can return it. I actually want the Base Camp Pola Pro but did not want to spend 600.00 right now. Although it is probably worth it. There filters are pretty amazing. Just wish they would allow normal square filters and not theirs only.
ekphotography ya definitely! Spent a ton on a Black Pro Mist but it’s amazing. Let me know if your VND filter works. A few people have been mentioning it works but I haven’t had a chance to try yet as our MB is out this week ! Will definitely be interested to hear your experience with it !
Film Jams it works!!! Just got it! I put the Tilta adaptador first then my bpm 1/8 filter and then the VND on top of that and it turns no problem. The first filter fits snug and might be “hard” to get out bc there is no space to get your fingers in to spin it out. So if it was just the VND filter it might be difficult to spin since the filter first filter fits in son tight.. hope that makes sense!!!
David Zauner for sure! I’ll measure and get back to you 😆🎥 keep in mind they are saying max cinema lens diameter is 77mm. And max ring size they offer is 85mm.
I’m new to all the matte box jargon, but I have a lens that I use very often (Panasonic 12-35mm with a 58mm filter diameter). What adapter could you suggest to me that would make this matte box work for me? Really enjoyed the video! Very informative :)
Thanks! Glad you liked the video :) you just need a 58mm to 72mm step up ring and then you should be good! I think we have a link to one in the description below the video. Best of luck!
Hello neighbor! I live within Tampa (Lutz). Love your video. I’m attempting to build a light weight rig for my ZCam E2 S6 and either I spend $400 on their eND filter or I buy a matte box and filters. I bought a small rig ultra light matte box and it was too large for my low profile camera and lens(es). The Tilta looks smaller and may work for me. I would love your opinion on all of this. If you want to talk on the phone, feel free to ask me for my cell or email address. Can you suggest a inexpensive glass ND filter kit (2, 4, 8, etc) for this matte box at 4x5.65? Thanks.
Good to meet a local Tampa Bay native! Hi Mike! Glad to hear you enjoyed the video. I'd be happy to offer some suggestions for your setup. Personally I would go for the mattebox and filters because when you upgrade your camera in the future, you can always bring it with you. With the eND, that really is meant to be used only in the ZCam ecosystem. If you're planning to stay ZCam for life, that may be a cheaper way to go in the short run, but I always factor in new camera purchases every 3 years or so as the tech moves so quickly. You have to be careful with cheaper filters, I really try to steer clear of the cheap ones myself, because I've gotten burned a few times with color issues. What I do recommend though is searching for good used deals on eBay and Craigslist and Facebook cinema groups. I've found a ton of high quality filters on there for less than half new prices. I personally use the Schneider 4x5 NDs and I love them. They'll last forever if you take care of them. Hope that helps! And feel free to swing by the studio if you're ever down this way :)
It should work. You would just need a 78mm to 82mm step up ring then you’d attached the 82mm thread adapter (included in the kit) and then slide the matte box right onto the 82mm threaded adapter.
Great review! I just ordered one... Can you please give more info on those horizontal graduated ND filters and maybe a link? Thanks and keep up the great work...
Thanks Billy! I think you’ll like it! I have a few graduated filters here for sale (used) if you’re interested. And I’ll put a link below to a new one.
Steve Strasser thanks Steve! True. It depends on your needs for sure. But if you’re using as a secondary option for smaller setups I think it’s great ...but you’re right not having those features would maybe make it not optimal for certain jobs.
@@FilmJams as you pointed out, quite a deal for that price nevertheless. I will buy it. One should be able improvise something, clamping something on the top flag ...
Steve Strasser nice. Enjoy it! I sometimes just put gaff tape on the sides to block out any unwanted glares. Not the best solution but works! And yes you may be able to rig something from the top flag as well.
Haven't had any issues in our few months using it. And I think the filters actually sit closer to the lens than some of my other matte boxes that cost much more.
@@FilmJams thanks to the op for posting this question. id like to follow up with you Film Jams on if you have noticed any flaring with this setup? the filter is about an inch away from the lens.
@@marctronixx haven’t noticed any more flaring than our other matte boxes. But I’d recommend testing the lens and filter combo you plan to use before you shoot with it to make sure it performs how you’d expect. For us though like I said haven’t noticed any unusual flaring with our setup.
Anyone who can afford 4x5.65 filters isn’t going to be looking at this low budget matte box. I wish tilta had made a drop in filter slot, closer to the lens, that would accept 4x4 filters. That would make it ideal for mirrorless users.
Why not? A lot of filmmakers I know use them together. I use this with my 4x5 filters all the time on my EOS R. We’ve used on Blackmagic Pockets and we plan to use it on the Canon R5 when it comes out. I think it’s a perfect lightweight combo. My other matte boxes are way to large and heavy for when I want to go mobile.
ralixfilm thanks! Yes you would be able to use standard ND filters, linear polarizers, and softening filters like promist or Hollywood Blackmagic. But this matte box does not enable you to use rotating polarizers or adjust grad filters up and down. Still pretty convenient when you need a smaller setup and not all the other larger filters and trays. For us we’re using it on our DSLRS and mirrorless camera setups when we don’t necessarily need all the add ons.
Thanks for watching! The various ring sizes are in the video. I don’t think they’ll work with other matte boxes as they’re made specifically for this one.
Thanks for watching! I haven’t had any scratches yet and been using for a few months now. I think they’d have a lot of backlash on the product if it scratched expensive filters. But I am careful with them.
It depends on what lenses. In the video we clearly explain the sizes that are compatible. Check your lenses sizes and cross reference the data in the video.
Hi, can you meassure the diameter of mattebox hole? I have cinemoded vintage primes with 85mm simmod rings on each lens and just wondering If I could this mattebox without tilta rings. Thanks. :)
Hello please I have small 35mm lens with a 49mm thread and I want the mini matte box , hope the lens is not too small and will it work if I put the 67mm setup ring on it
Just look at the front of your lens - most lenses say on them. You can also search on google. The CP.2s are large cinema lenses w/ 114mm fronts and don’t work w this matte box.
I am just so confused why they use 4x5.6 filters, like I get that's an industry standard but those filters cost 4x the price of the matte box and 4x4 are great seems a misstep or do they have a 4x4 adaptor holder for this?
I’m not sure what you mean. This matte box is designed for 4x5.65 filters not 4x4 filters. And like we mentioned in the video, we got our filters on eBay for way less - actually 4x LESS than the cost of the matte box ;) search around for deals. There’s a lot of folks offloading used cinema gear, right now especially. We got our 4x5.65 filters for about $30 a piece used. And just for reference new 4x5 ND filters can be had for $240 (not $400 as you stated) - I’ll put a link here for you to check that out: amzn.to/3eE7T9q I’ll also add that if you’re thinking of investing long term into cinema filters, lenses, etc, I’d argue the 4x5 filters will be a better investment in the long run over 4x4 filters. So while you could save a few bucks now you may want to have the 4x5 when you upgrade your package - or clients may request them if you do rentals. Just my 2 cents.
@@FilmJams I was just thinking this is aimed at the indie filmmaker, who may not be able to afford to buy invest in Tiffen or Schneider etc. With company like Lee and formatt hi-tech bringing out great options and IRND cut 4x4 filters these make great affordable options. Further to this 4x4 is also lighter and cheaper making it good for rigging options. Though I doubt I am completely correct and I don't think I could get pro mist as easy in 4x4 ( haven't looked) though my searches for 4x5s came up with very little results. Though I certainly agree with you about future investments and industry standards, if you invest now you can save yourself down the line. Though if they gave you the choice like the wooden camera Zip Box system would be cool though I think I will go for the latter as it works out at a similar price Thank you very much for the link and your thoughts sorry if I confused you and continue to confuse you 🤣 🙄
It’s all good! I don’t know too many video people that use the 4x4 filters. It does seem like some are using them as a lower cost option but I know this Mini matte box has been very popular - pretty much all the video folks I know bought one, and it’s literally been back ordered since it was released 6 months ago, so I think there’s a huge market for it. I own a couple more expensive matte boxes, but I find this Tilta Mini one is perfect for when I’m using my DSLR and smaller cameras like Blackmagic 6K. I think there are quite a few people who already have the 4x5 filters who this matte box makes a lot of sense for as a backup or more compact option when using smaller cameras. B4 the Tilta MINI MATTEBOX I rarely used a Mattebox on my Canon DSLR, and now I almost always use it because it’s so small and easy to use. And like I said you can grab used filters pretty affordably. Thanks for the messages. And hope that helps!
@@FilmJams it's helped incredibly, in the UK I am struggling to find affordable 4x5.6 but I think this Matt box is the way to go, seen a lot of bad reviews about the Zip box (maybe you could look/compare) and as I really only want a 1/4 pro mist once it's got it's got. I've learnt to often that if you buy cheap you buy twice. Thanks for the great communication and further thoughts on the matte-er (get it, matte, matte box, matter, oh forget it). I didn't really expect a reply from yourself (seems odd as it is your video) so it's great to have the deeper conversation and help with the navigation. I would say from a retail perspective people are trying to use more 4x4 filters as they cross over into more video from photgraphy. Anyway Peace 👍
Haha no worrries. As a matte-er of fact, I’m always glad to discuss gear! And yeah I think you’re right - better to buy once and get exactly what you want. Can’t go wrong with the 1/4 ProMist 4x5. As long as you don’t drop it should last forever. Good luck on your matte box adventures! Oh and Zip Box is ok, but this seems more universal to me anyway.
Thanks for watching! I don’t believe it will work as that lens has a built in rose petal hood attached to it - and no threads on the front. Works great on my 24, 35, 50, and 85mm Rokinons tho!
Yeah that’s what I thought. Maybe we had to stick the bigger adapter to the lens permanently in some way. That 14mm would be gorgeous with a 0.9 Schneider Nd. Thank for the response. Cheers!
Definitely would make a great combo! Yeah I think people are going to start experimenting with rigging these matte boxes up in different ways. They’re so lightweight and at a good price. Perfect for a little customization haha 😆
If you listen carefully we explain both. 77mm is the largest lens diameter supported. 82mm is the largest thread adapter included. They’re different things.
You could probably slide one on but it won’t cover the full width and may not stay locked in place. I think they may release some adapters in the future or make one for 4x4 filters separately.
never buy a mattebox that is like 4 times cheaper than the filters inside - once I accidentally dropped a Schneider ND filter using a larger Tilta mattebox which had filter trays but one of the trays got stuck somehow and the first AD wanted to go on with the shot. So in a hurry I tried to take it out more agressively to change from 0.6 to 0.3 ND and the filter landed on concrete. I feel it was 50% my mistake and another 50% of the mattebox. I loosened the screws but still I felt it got stuck so there were stg abnormal with that tray... Anyways I will never ever buy a mattebox which doesn't even have any filter trays. And since then I would never buy any mattebox other than Arri, Bright Tangerine, Wooden Camera or smilar top brand which is under 1200 USD. You will eventually find out why it cost that much less.
Ben Mateffy I hear you there. Love our Arri matte boxes. We were concerned about that as well as we noted in the video, but seems like a pretty secure setup. We also own the arri LMB 4x5, O’Connor O-Box, and Bright tangerine. The bright tangerine Misfit honestly scares me more than this Tilta tho. But will update as we use it. It’s still new so haven’t tested on a longer project or film yet.
@@FilmJams No I don't think so.. What I meant is that if I could be able to have matte box mounted on my camera but be able to use variable ND filter thats on my lens. I would like to build myself a rig and want to have a matte box but still I want to use variable ND filter on my lens if that makes more sense now 😀
Pavel Vitek I see what you mean. I think there may be some screw in variable ND filters that can work with the mattebox, but we haven’t tested them. I prefer to use my Schneider 4x5 ND as in my experience they have less color shift than the variable Nds I’ve used.
4x4 filters will fit in, but your going to get massive light leakage problems, and they will be loose and rattle around. The filter tray is too far forward of the lens to use smaller format filters, which makes it a very poor design.
I don't know why you hype the French flag aka top shade inclusion because it's always standard in all inexpensive matte boxes. I know because I'm researching them now.
The French Flag is not included on the Misfit Atom which is one of the most popular clip on MB’s. So no it’s not always standard. This video was also made years ago and at the time this was one of the only matte boxes in this price range - maybe even the first under $100 and having the French flag included was a big deal at that cost. A soft serve ice cream machine that does the Choco/Vanilla twist isn’t a big deal now but when the first one came out, people hyped it. 😆👍🎥
@@FilmJams I appreciate your hard work and humour. I see you are correct. The current popular similar item from Small Rig was released two years ago. Cheers for the reply.
Juan Gonzalez Collazo I believe that lens has a 52mm front thread so you’ll need to purchase a step up ring adapter. I believe this is the one you want 52mm to 77mm: amzn.to/3czMDRm
Oh God! Americans, what is wrong with you! Don't get me wrong but I just don't understand why you don't use metrical system. It's 21st century, guys! C'mon! I am so confused with this inch and stuff! I need to know if I can put my 100 to 150 mm filter there or not! Why! Is it really easier to say 5,56 or whatever than simply use easy number as 150mm? Sorry for my nerve, but I just can't figure it all out for like 2 hours by now!
Comrade! Don't be confused for 2 hours! Google has a nice little converter for you - just google "centimeters to inches" - prepare to change your world! And we didn't invent it this matte box, pretty sure Tilta is a Chinese company that makes this matte box, so send them a message if you're wanting to complain :D but even ARRI who is European still makes 4x5.65 matte boxes, and likely those industry standard sizes are not changing any time soon. Learn to love them!
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I use step-up rings for my Panasonic lenses 58mm and 62mm, both to 77. Then the Tilta 77mm adapter goes on that. Works great.
BloodShot Movies very nice! Glad to hear it’s working well with the step up rings!
@@FilmJams Thanks for the review. What thickness of the glass is required in mm?
@@vividmotion66 Hi Alexander. I haven't seen Tilta list a required minimum, but most 4x5 filters I own are all 4mm or 0.16" - I believe that is a standard size for 4x5 filters.
I got here after reading your review on B&H. I am glad I did. Your video reviews of both Tilta products were very informative, and you made them interesting, thanks. I was on the fence, mind you it was a high fence, but you convinced me to leap into the Tilta.
Nice! Glad to hear you found us from B&H! Happy the reviews were helpful :D Really great products for the price. Happy shooting!
Love this review, love this channel. Will spend the rest of the day watching every video you have made!
Hell yeah! Thanks Jesse! 😆🤘🎥🔥
You can't imagine how much I enjoy your videos, man! Did I hit the bell?!? Yes I did. lol... Funny, lots of info and super cool editing. You ALMOST convinced me (almost) I also have the Canon EOS R and I was looking at some matte boxes and true, they are expensive... mmm, I was looking to something with the four windows, what's the name? the one on top is eyelashes... don't know the name of the other ones, anyway you got the pic! .... Thanks dude you're rocking the s**t out of that tilta thing! it looks really good and the price is awesome. Hope this is not too old if I decide to buy it! Cheers
Haha thanks Ruben! Really appreciate that! Yes the Eyebrows on the sides and top flag on the top. The Tilta is definitely a good option for the price, and it just came out in January 2020 so shouldn’t be too old. Bright Tangerine also makes some nice matte boxes too. We’ll try to keep the videos coming for ya! Thanks for hitting the bell. Woohoo! 😀🤘
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Just subbed, love the delivery and humour! In the last few days been really plagued with the light and dealing with the contrast and saturation from the image just disappear at certain angles, been wanting a matte box for a while and this seems perfect
Thanks Byron! Appreciate the sub! Yes this little matte box should help reduce that glare. That top flag has been a life-saver in certain situations for me. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
@@FilmJams will, waiting on payday lol but will be picking it up then
Byron Phillips ahh the anticipation hahah 😆
I like his dissociative identity presentation with his primary personality sharing great info, plus interjections from his secondary personality "Cletus".
Thanks! That’s a better psychoanalysis than my therapist! She just told me I needed more lithium and to “not think about that trip with the Scout leaders to Amsterdam”. 😆..😧
Great find, and great video. Buying one ASAP.... keep up the good work, liked/subbed!
Evil Genius Entertainment thanks! Appreciate the sub! Enjoy it. Great little Matte box!
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Great video, love the humor. Can I use circular ND Filters with this matte box
Thanks appreciate that! It's a little bit of a mixed bag in my experience...this is Tilta's official response to using circular filters with the Mini Matte box: "No not all circular filter are compatible, however, that filters must have an outer diameter of 85mm or smaller to mount to the filter adapter rings as they are limited by the physical size of the Mini Matte Box’s opening. This means many 82mm filters are too thick to properly mount to the 82mm ring adapters. Any filter that is stackable can mount to the lens first, then be secured to the ring adapter via the filter’s internal threads."
dont forget the cold shoe mount at the bottom of the matte box, woops you allready did lol. great vlog ;)
Thanks Peter! Cold shoe...ahh yesss! 😆👍
Can you use 4x4 filter? or will it slide around the slot? Thanks for the vid!
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately you can not use 4x4 filters.
Since it only takes one filter slide, does it work with a circular filter on the lens? I like to be able to use black mist+nd
Lolita Ribeiro it does! If you look through the comments here one user tried it with a screw on variable ND on front and it worked for him.
I’m late to the party with this response (just discovered this channel), but that’s EXACTLY how I use it. I had not even considered that you could attach this directly to the lens with the rings and use square filters on the front. So, I was using it backwards, but it works well with the Black ProMist screwed into the tilta ring and then attached to the matte box. Like I said, I didn’t even consider that you could attach this directly to the lens. I attached using the 15mm rod clamp. The way that is shown in the video will open up a whole new use for this box when I can’t use my giant JTZ matte box or when using a gimbal.
Glad you discovered us! And thanks for clarifying that. Have a good one!
Great review, question:
Can you use a circular non-variable ND with the matte box? Or will it vignette at wider focal lengths?
Thanks appreciate you watching! I think it may depend on the lens but it should work. We can definitely test that and see how it works on our 16-35mm.
Are you able to screw a variable ND filter onto the front of the adapter rings? Does the size of the ring mean that you MUST use an 82mm filter?
Hi Joe, See the comment thread below....ekphotography was able to test the VND and it works with his setup. And yes If you're using an 82mm Ring you would want to use a 82mm filter....(it comes with 4 sizes, so you could use any of those 4 sizes) tho, technically you may be able to use a smaller ND filter like 77mm for example then use a step up ring, to get to the 82mm thread, but not sure if you'd be able to turn the filter in that configuration, and not sure if it would make sense to do that...lol
It says on Tilta product page that "cine version adapter rings (80mm and 85mm) will be made available soon", so technically it will be possible to adapt it to some cinema lenses
Demetri Zuev yes we did mention that in the video. But even if the front diameter is 85mm, it will only work w lenses that have a 77mm diameter of the actual lens barrel. Most cinema lenses are wider. For example even the new smaller Xeen CFs are 95mm. But there are a few that will work like the Rokinons that we show in the video ;) thanks for watching!
great video! i got both the mini MB and FF.
Joshua Martin Studios thanks! They are a great combo! What camera/lenses ru using with?
@@FilmJams I use the SLR Magic MicroPrimes. Small cine prime lenses. Love the character in the lenses
Joshua Martin Studios nice! Yes very cool lenses.
Hey, great review. I’m thinking of getting the mattebox, but I don’t wanna dish out $250 on a 4x5.6 ND. I have the Sigma 18-35 which is 72mm in diameter. Would I be able to attach the mattebox and the 72mm step up ring to the sigma if it has a circular ND on it?
Thanks Matheus! I hear that. I think it should work - another commenter had mentioned that he put a variable ND on and it worked for him. I’m not 100% sure but I can test ours next time I get a minute. Also maybe @tilta can offer some info as well.
Great overview! Just one question: are the adapter rings always necessary or can you clamp the matte box directly on a lens that has an 80mm outer diameter from like for example lenses that have been cine-modded by Simmod?
Thanks! Appreciate that! It won't securely mount on without a ring. According to their website they do say that: cine version adapter rings (80mm and 85mm) will be made available soon. But there may be a way to "rig" it on with some experimentation, but haven't tried yet! Hope that helps.
I bought one but what is not clear is if you can use VND filters and if so, how do you turn them? When I get it in the mail I will try it but if not I cannot see how this will work well. Almost everyone uses VND threaded filters.
ekphotography yes it should work with variable ND. Depends on the filter but I think you can still turn it while it’s clamped.
@@FilmJams Thanks, I will find out soon when I get to Miami tomorrow. But I cannot see how it will spin easily since the Matte box clamps to the ring and it seems pretty tight. at least from the images I have seen.. Thank you! I have a 77mm VND by the way. Good thing about BH is if it does not work I can return it. I actually want the Base Camp Pola Pro but did not want to spend 600.00 right now. Although it is probably worth it. There filters are pretty amazing. Just wish they would allow normal square filters and not theirs only.
ekphotography ya definitely! Spent a ton on a Black Pro Mist but it’s amazing. Let me know if your VND filter works. A few people have been mentioning it works but I haven’t had a chance to try yet as our MB is out this week ! Will definitely be interested to hear your experience with it !
Film Jams it works!!! Just got it! I put the Tilta adaptador first then my bpm 1/8 filter and then the VND on top of that and it turns no problem. The first filter fits snug and might be “hard” to get out bc there is no space to get your fingers in to spin it out. So if it was just the VND filter it might be difficult to spin since the filter first filter fits in son tight.. hope that makes sense!!!
ekphotography awesome! Glad to hear that. Ok so we know variable NDs work. Woohoo! 😆 happy shooting!
Was just looking at getting this. Thanks for doing this review.
For sure! Thanks for watching 👍🎥
Anyone have an issue where the filter keeps sliding out the sides of the matte box?
We haven't experienced that yet. Is one of your filters sliding out?
Can you measure the outer diameter of the adapter rings please? Would be interesting if this is 95mm, so you can use it on smaller cine lenses!
David Zauner for sure! I’ll measure and get back to you 😆🎥 keep in mind they are saying max cinema lens diameter is 77mm. And max ring size they offer is 85mm.
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I’m new to all the matte box jargon, but I have a lens that I use very often (Panasonic 12-35mm with a 58mm filter diameter). What adapter could you suggest to me that would make this matte box work for me?
Really enjoyed the video! Very informative :)
Thanks! Glad you liked the video :) you just need a 58mm to 72mm step up ring and then you should be good! I think we have a link to one in the description below the video. Best of luck!
Good info and hella funny voices. Oh yeah, I just bought one.
George Gutierrez haha thanks George! That’s awesome. Enjoy it!
Hello neighbor! I live within Tampa (Lutz). Love your video. I’m attempting to build a light weight rig for my ZCam E2 S6 and either I spend $400 on their eND filter or I buy a matte box and filters. I bought a small rig ultra light matte box and it was too large for my low profile camera and lens(es). The Tilta looks smaller and may work for me. I would love your opinion on all of this. If you want to talk on the phone, feel free to ask me for my cell or email address. Can you suggest a inexpensive glass ND filter kit (2, 4, 8, etc) for this matte box at 4x5.65? Thanks.
Good to meet a local Tampa Bay native! Hi Mike! Glad to hear you enjoyed the video. I'd be happy to offer some suggestions for your setup. Personally I would go for the mattebox and filters because when you upgrade your camera in the future, you can always bring it with you. With the eND, that really is meant to be used only in the ZCam ecosystem. If you're planning to stay ZCam for life, that may be a cheaper way to go in the short run, but I always factor in new camera purchases every 3 years or so as the tech moves so quickly. You have to be careful with cheaper filters, I really try to steer clear of the cheap ones myself, because I've gotten burned a few times with color issues. What I do recommend though is searching for good used deals on eBay and Craigslist and Facebook cinema groups. I've found a ton of high quality filters on there for less than half new prices. I personally use the Schneider 4x5 NDs and I love them. They'll last forever if you take care of them. Hope that helps! And feel free to swing by the studio if you're ever down this way :)
I have a 78mm Variable ND, on a 78mm threaded Cine Lens, I guess it would be hard to add this to that eh?
It should work. You would just need a 78mm to 82mm step up ring then you’d attached the 82mm thread adapter (included in the kit) and then slide the matte box right onto the 82mm threaded adapter.
Great review! I just ordered one... Can you please give more info on those horizontal graduated ND filters and maybe a link?
Thanks and keep up the great work...
Thanks Billy! I think you’ll like it! I have a few graduated filters here for sale (used) if you’re interested. And I’ll put a link below to a new one.
Here is a link to the filter on Adorama (not cheap! but a nice tool to have) adorama.rfvk.net/1vxBd
Did a small rig version review ?
Haven’t tried that one yet! But hopefully will soon.
Great review. Very tempting. Unfortunately it does not have side flags and it does not look like you could attach some. Dealbreaker ...?
Steve Strasser thanks Steve! True. It depends on your needs for sure. But if you’re using as a secondary option for smaller setups I think it’s great ...but you’re right not having those features would maybe make it not optimal for certain jobs.
@@FilmJams as you pointed out, quite a deal for that price nevertheless. I will buy it. One should be able improvise something, clamping something on the top flag ...
Steve Strasser nice. Enjoy it! I sometimes just put gaff tape on the sides to block out any unwanted glares. Not the best solution but works! And yes you may be able to rig something from the top flag as well.
What about added flaring due to the filter sitting so far away from the camera lens?
Haven't had any issues in our few months using it. And I think the filters actually sit closer to the lens than some of my other matte boxes that cost much more.
@@FilmJams thanks to the op for posting this question. id like to follow up with you Film Jams on if you have noticed any flaring with this setup? the filter is about an inch away from the lens.
@@marctronixx haven’t noticed any more flaring than our other matte boxes. But I’d recommend testing the lens and filter combo you plan to use before you shoot with it to make sure it performs how you’d expect. For us though like I said haven’t noticed any unusual flaring with our setup.
@@FilmJams Thank you for your prompt response!
Anyone who can afford 4x5.65 filters isn’t going to be looking at this low budget matte box.
I wish tilta had made a drop in filter slot, closer to the lens, that would accept 4x4 filters. That would make it ideal for mirrorless users.
Why not? A lot of filmmakers I know use them together. I use this with my 4x5 filters all the time on my EOS R. We’ve used on Blackmagic Pockets and we plan to use it on the Canon R5 when it comes out. I think it’s a perfect lightweight combo. My other matte boxes are way to large and heavy for when I want to go mobile.
Film Jams if you use a 4x5 Nd filter, how do you get around the light leaking around the sides of the filter?
I’m not sure what you mean. There is no light leak. The filter covers the whole front element.
Very funny video. Well produced and informative..
Owen Hunte thanks Owen! Appreciate that. Check out our back catalogue if you’re looking for more vids 😆🎥💥
Great job!!!
Daniel Lin thanks Daniel!
I can imagine that for my Travel setup, OH YEAH!
Sean Rochau yes! Great for travel 🎥🤘
Great review. Without filer trays, you cant rotate the filters or move grad filters up and down. So I am not really sure about the usability of it.
ralixfilm thanks! Yes you would be able to use standard ND filters, linear polarizers, and softening filters like promist or Hollywood Blackmagic. But this matte box does not enable you to use rotating polarizers or adjust grad filters up and down. Still pretty convenient when you need a smaller setup and not all the other larger filters and trays. For us we’re using it on our DSLRS and mirrorless camera setups when we don’t necessarily need all the add ons.
What’s the thickest glass mm that can fit ?
Not sure the limit but all of my 4x5 filters work - Tiffen, Schneider, etc. all fit fine.
I've got the D|Matte from D|Focus, but seems like they don't make them anymore 😅
If you need an upgrade, grab one of these. For the price it’s hard to beat!
Thanks for your review.
What size is the Matte Box Ring? Is it a standard 95mm?
Can you use the Adapter Rings with other Matte Boxs?
Thanks for watching! The various ring sizes are in the video. I don’t think they’ll work with other matte boxes as they’re made specifically for this one.
hey i have a question, does the 82mm ring adapter have the thread to screw on a filter???
Double checking this for you!
Thank you!
So it looks like you should be able to add an 82mm filter in front of the threaded adapter! Hope that helps!
Wait so you could add a second screw on filter stage inside the matte box?
Inside you can add a filter on and then add the matte box after.
i was just asking myself if i should buy the title mini matte box
Professa haha! Get ‘em while they’re hot!
so why they give you 82 mm but only goes to 77 ?? are you wrong
I’m not sure what you’re asking. Can you clarify? Are you confusing lens diameter and lens thread size? The sizes for both are detailed in the video.
Do the filter tray scratch the filters? It looks like it could be a concern..
Thanks for watching! I haven’t had any scratches yet and been using for a few months now. I think they’d have a lot of backlash on the product if it scratched expensive filters. But I am careful with them.
I have an ND Filter that screws on to the lens; the circular type. It's 62mm, do you think that this mini matte box will fit it?
Yes it should work- you just need a step up ring. 62mm to 77mm.
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Thanks! Appreciate it! Still partying here haha 😆
Can I use this on 35 and 50mm lenses and on 35 and 50mm cine lenses and 18-55mm lenses ?
It depends on what lenses. In the video we clearly explain the sizes that are compatible. Check your lenses sizes and cross reference the data in the video.
Hi, can you meassure the diameter of mattebox hole? I have cinemoded vintage primes with 85mm simmod rings on each lens and just wondering If I could this mattebox without tilta rings. Thanks. :)
Lukas Pictures sure I’ll measure it when I’m back to the studio.
@@FilmJams thanks. Looking forward
Any news?
Lukas Pictures the mini matte box has been out w Jai all week - hopefully will be back next week
Hello please I have small 35mm lens with a 49mm thread and I want the mini matte box , hope the lens is not too small and will it work if I put the 67mm setup ring on it
Should work with the step up ring. But can’t guarantee it. Def make sure u can return. Just in case.
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Please how do I know ring size of each lenses?. For example the ring size of Carl Zeiss cp2 lenses
Just look at the front of your lens - most lenses say on them. You can also search on google. The CP.2s are large cinema lenses w/ 114mm fronts and don’t work w this matte box.
one question, could I use this with Sigma Cine lens (82mm filter, 95mm front diameter)?
I think that may be too big. The front thread size is good but the lens diameter may be too big.
Is there vignetting on wide angle?
Depends on how wide you go. Not on my 16-35.
I am just so confused why they use 4x5.6 filters, like I get that's an industry standard but those filters cost 4x the price of the matte box and 4x4 are great seems a misstep or do they have a 4x4 adaptor holder for this?
I’m not sure what you mean. This matte box is designed for 4x5.65 filters not 4x4 filters. And like we mentioned in the video, we got our filters on eBay for way less - actually 4x LESS than the cost of the matte box ;) search around for deals. There’s a lot of folks offloading used cinema gear, right now especially. We got our 4x5.65 filters for about $30 a piece used. And just for reference new 4x5 ND filters can be had for $240 (not $400 as you stated) - I’ll put a link here for you to check that out: amzn.to/3eE7T9q
I’ll also add that if you’re thinking of investing long term into cinema filters, lenses, etc, I’d argue the 4x5 filters will be a better investment in the long run over 4x4 filters. So while you could save a few bucks now you may want to have the 4x5 when you upgrade your package - or clients may request them if you do rentals. Just my 2 cents.
@@FilmJams I was just thinking this is aimed at the indie filmmaker, who may not be able to afford to buy invest in Tiffen or Schneider etc. With company like Lee and formatt hi-tech bringing out great options and IRND cut 4x4 filters these make great affordable options. Further to this 4x4 is also lighter and cheaper making it good for rigging options.
Though I doubt I am completely correct and I don't think I could get pro mist as easy in 4x4 ( haven't looked) though my searches for 4x5s came up with very little results.
Though I certainly agree with you about future investments and industry standards, if you invest now you can save yourself down the line. Though if they gave you the choice like the wooden camera Zip Box system would be cool though I think I will go for the latter as it works out at a similar price
Thank you very much for the link and your thoughts sorry if I confused you and continue to confuse you 🤣 🙄
It’s all good! I don’t know too many video people that use the 4x4 filters. It does seem like some are using them as a lower cost option but I know this Mini matte box has been very popular - pretty much all the video folks I know bought one, and it’s literally been back ordered since it was released 6 months ago, so I think there’s a huge market for it. I own a couple more expensive matte boxes, but I find this Tilta Mini one is perfect for when I’m using my DSLR and smaller cameras like Blackmagic 6K. I think there are quite a few people who already have the 4x5 filters who this matte box makes a lot of sense for as a backup or more compact option when using smaller cameras. B4 the Tilta MINI MATTEBOX I rarely used a Mattebox on my Canon DSLR, and now I almost always use it because it’s so small and easy to use. And like I said you can grab used filters pretty affordably. Thanks for the messages. And hope that helps!
@@FilmJams it's helped incredibly, in the UK I am struggling to find affordable 4x5.6 but I think this Matt box is the way to go, seen a lot of bad reviews about the Zip box (maybe you could look/compare) and as I really only want a 1/4 pro mist once it's got it's got. I've learnt to often that if you buy cheap you buy twice.
Thanks for the great communication and further thoughts on the matte-er (get it, matte, matte box, matter, oh forget it). I didn't really expect a reply from yourself (seems odd as it is your video) so it's great to have the deeper conversation and help with the navigation.
I would say from a retail perspective people are trying to use more 4x4 filters as they cross over into more video from photgraphy.
Anyway
Peace 👍
Haha no worrries. As a matte-er of fact, I’m always glad to discuss gear! And yeah I think you’re right - better to buy once and get exactly what you want. Can’t go wrong with the 1/4 ProMist 4x5. As long as you don’t drop it should last forever. Good luck on your matte box adventures! Oh and Zip Box is ok, but this seems more universal to me anyway.
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They make the good Sauce! 😆🤘
Hey. How do you think this matte box would work with the 14mm Rokinon cineds ? Cheers!
Thanks for watching! I don’t believe it will work as that lens has a built in rose petal hood attached to it - and no threads on the front. Works great on my 24, 35, 50, and 85mm Rokinons tho!
Yeah that’s what I thought. Maybe we had to stick the bigger adapter to the lens permanently in some way. That 14mm would be gorgeous with a 0.9 Schneider Nd. Thank for the response. Cheers!
Definitely would make a great combo! Yeah I think people are going to start experimenting with rigging these matte boxes up in different ways. They’re so lightweight and at a good price. Perfect for a little customization haha 😆
Did you mean to say the largest lens is 82mm and not 77mm? I'm not sure why they would include an 82mm adapter if the largest lens was 77mm
If you listen carefully we explain both. 77mm is the largest lens diameter supported. 82mm is the largest thread adapter included. They’re different things.
can I put 4x4 filter?
You could probably slide one on but it won’t cover the full width and may not stay locked in place. I think they may release some adapters in the future or make one for 4x4 filters separately.
How can I use it with a 4x4 filter?
It’s not compatible with 4x4 as it mentions in the video. I have taped 4x4 on the front in a pinch tho!
never buy a mattebox that is like 4 times cheaper than the filters inside - once I accidentally dropped a Schneider ND filter using a larger Tilta mattebox which had filter trays but one of the trays got stuck somehow and the first AD wanted to go on with the shot. So in a hurry I tried to take it out more agressively to change from 0.6 to 0.3 ND and the filter landed on concrete. I feel it was 50% my mistake and another 50% of the mattebox. I loosened the screws but still I felt it got stuck so there were stg abnormal with that tray... Anyways I will never ever buy a mattebox which doesn't even have any filter trays. And since then I would never buy any mattebox other than Arri, Bright Tangerine, Wooden Camera or smilar top brand which is under 1200 USD. You will eventually find out why it cost that much less.
Ben Mateffy I hear you there. Love our Arri matte boxes. We were concerned about that as well as we noted in the video, but seems like a pretty secure setup. We also own the arri LMB 4x5, O’Connor O-Box, and Bright tangerine. The bright tangerine Misfit honestly scares me more than this Tilta tho. But will update as we use it. It’s still new so haven’t tested on a longer project or film yet.
Does it works with 100x150mm filters too?
Curva Design I haven’t used 100mm x 500mm filters before. Do you have a link to them and I can check out?
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Is there actually any way to have matte on my camera but be able to use nd filter on my lens?
You can put a 4x5 ND filter filter into the matte box. You can also use certain screw in filters with the Matte box. Is that what you mean?
@@FilmJams No I don't think so.. What I meant is that if I could be able to have matte box mounted on my camera but be able to use variable ND filter thats on my lens. I would like to build myself a rig and want to have a matte box but still I want to use variable ND filter on my lens if that makes more sense now 😀
Pavel Vitek I see what you mean. I think there may be some screw in variable ND filters that can work with the mattebox, but we haven’t tested them. I prefer to use my Schneider 4x5 ND as in my experience they have less color shift than the variable Nds I’ve used.
Film Jams great! Thanks 🙏🏻
You’re welcome! Good luck!
quick question, is it fit for 4x4 filter?
Technically you might be able to get a 4x4 to slide into the filter holder but it wouldn’t be secure... it’s meant for 4x5.65 filters.
4x4 filters will fit in, but your going to get massive light leakage problems, and they will be loose and rattle around. The filter tray is too far forward of the lens to use smaller format filters, which makes it a very poor design.
Yeah well there ya go! Stay away from 4x4!
I don't know why you hype the French flag aka top shade inclusion because it's always standard in all inexpensive matte boxes. I know because I'm researching them now.
The French Flag is not included on the Misfit Atom which is one of the most popular clip on MB’s. So no it’s not always standard. This video was also made years ago and at the time this was one of the only matte boxes in this price range - maybe even the first under $100 and having the French flag included was a big deal at that cost. A soft serve ice cream machine that does the Choco/Vanilla twist isn’t a big deal now but when the first one came out, people hyped it. 😆👍🎥
@@FilmJams I appreciate your hard work and humour. I see you are correct. The current popular similar item from Small Rig was released two years ago. Cheers for the reply.
@@MikeSimpson1 Thanks Mike. Appreciate ya! Hope you find the right Matte Box for you. Lots of options out now.
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Does it work on Panasonic s1h?
for sure! It really has less to do with the camera and more to do with the lens. Which lens are you planning to use with?
@@FilmJams with lumix 20-60mm lens
Cool so check your front filter diameter on that lens. And then cross reference that size with the ones we show in the video that are included.
@@FilmJams got it, it’s 67mm.
Awesome! Glad you were able to find it. Enjoy the Matte box!
Can i use this with 18-55mm?
Which 18-55
Film Jams f/3.5-5.6 IS II SLR
Brand?
Film Jams Canon
Juan Gonzalez Collazo I believe that lens has a 52mm front thread so you’ll need to purchase a step up ring adapter. I believe this is the one you want 52mm to 77mm: amzn.to/3czMDRm
Oh God! Americans, what is wrong with you! Don't get me wrong but I just don't understand why you don't use metrical system. It's 21st century, guys! C'mon! I am so confused with this inch and stuff! I need to know if I can put my 100 to 150 mm filter there or not! Why! Is it really easier to say 5,56 or whatever than simply use easy number as 150mm? Sorry for my nerve, but I just can't figure it all out for like 2 hours by now!
Comrade! Don't be confused for 2 hours! Google has a nice little converter for you - just google "centimeters to inches" - prepare to change your world! And we didn't invent it this matte box, pretty sure Tilta is a Chinese company that makes this matte box, so send them a message if you're wanting to complain :D but even ARRI who is European still makes 4x5.65 matte boxes, and likely those industry standard sizes are not changing any time soon. Learn to love them!
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Sweetest wig on CZcams!
We’re always wiggin out baby! 😄🤘
Sooooooooo...I’m not one to talk sh*t...but that hair! W.T.F.?
The curtain matches the drapes! You’re welcome.
Film Jams So I was really drunk when I wrote this comment last night. Sorry. Don’t drink and CZcams kids!
monochet I only eat wholesome vegan snacks when I CZcams!
@@FilmJams BWhahhahhahhahhahaha! - this is the first time I have read all of the way down the comments section, and I'm glad I did!
Haha you’re welcome! 😬🎥👍