SMALLRIG MATTE BOX | REVIEW | How does it compare to the TILTA MINI ? (tested on BMPCC 6K)
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- Here is my review of the Smallrig Matte Box.
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Here is my review of the Smallrig Matte Box.
UPDATE : Smallrig is sending me a 77mm replacement :).
Cheers,
Flo
Replacement? I had to buy 95 -114 mm adapter with extra pay. My 77 mm adapter worked perfectly; easy in and easy out. But his one seems to be in problem. I believe, there is a problem in the lens thread itself.
Just a note that the Tilta matte box retains the filter thread on inside of the adapters, so you can still use a small screw filter with a large filter in the matte box, so you can use two filters.
LOL at 2:19 "oh yes and you can remove the sticker" - I immediately grabbed my matte box to remove it.
Haha I am so glad it is possible !!
LMAOOO same 🤣
was a good point though. when o opened mine I thought "thats gaudy as hell" and used it for 2 days before I realized it. im not one to go scraping new gear hoping its a sticker.. must have been my switch to decaf.
Was fun exploring that village :) xx
It was, just a bit cold haha !! xx
Mine just arrived!! Super stoked to use this on my personal documentary.
Nice !! Happy shooting :)
Dude you're killing me man, my wallet is in pain. I came for the matte box and found the NiSi filters.....
Hahaha sorry man !! Great filters though :).
Always bomb content....you rock mate !!!
Ah thanks so much :) !!
beautiful review. I order it for my BMPCC 6kpro with the 18-35, have not got it yet, but after seeing this I can not wait. Thanks
Thank you !! It is a pretty cool matte box for sure, have fun :)
Excellent review as always!
Thanks very much !! :)
Great review. Been thinking about getting this for my own rig. Thanks for the helpful information.
Glad you liked it :) !! Awesome product for the price.
@@OfTwoLands agreed. Very affordable for those on an indie budget.
Thanks for sharing the review with us!!
Thanks for watching guys, love your products :) !!
Terrific review!
Thank you !!
Great review and I love the SMALL RIG as much as the TM. Different projects require different needs.
Exactly, thank you !!
I also did so. But I had to buy another, that is JTZ DP30 4x5.65, owing to finding light spill from the side and was unable keep the matte in perfect horizontal level.
Ordered in a heartbeat. Used your link
Thanks so much :) !!
Just bought myself one, thanks man!
Have fun and thanks for watching :) !!
Thank you very much for this great review!
Thanks for watching, glad you liked it!!
Once again quality review man. Seems like a tempting buy if it wasn't so big😏
Thanks so much !! At least it is lightweight :).
@@OfTwoLands That counts for something.
Thanks for the help mate! I think I will go for the small rig!
No worries, thanks for watching !!
Bought the Tilta when it was first announced & that nob killed me, I replaced it after my filter slid out of the box.. looking at this small rig- the 2 filters is super appealing. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for watching !! And yeah that knob is just too annoying..
@@OfTwoLands I meant to ask- with this is it possible to also use a VND with this matte box? Trying to stack a 4x5.65 filter with VND on the lens at same time!
Thanks for the information. Thorough
Glad you’ve enjoyed. Thanks for watching!!
Like you, I was a bit surprised by the size of the Small Rig matte box when mine arrived. It was bigger than I was expecting and it is very light - to the point that I wonder about how well it will stand up to sustained use. It just has a slightly flimsy feel to it but at least the light weight doesn't add much to the overall weight of whatever rig you are using. But I quickly realised it doesn't fit into my usual camera bag (unlike the Tilta Mini). Two filters is definitely an advantage but opening the door to the filter tray seems very fiddly. I think this matte box obviously has its place and is another value for money proposition from Small Rig but I don't think it is a case of this matte box or the Tilta Mini being a 'winner' or 'loser' in the matte box wars. They both serve a niche and, for small lenses in particular, the Tilta is a good option (as long as you can work with one filter). Both matte boxes are, in my view, very realistic alternatives to heavier and more expensive rail mounted versions, especially for budget filmmakers. Your review was very balanced. I'll be interested to look back on my own experience in 6 or 12 months after having used both matte boxes over a period of time. (PS I am also a big fan of Nisi filters).
Yeah haha it isn't small !! And like you said for the price you can't really complain and they are both winners.
good video this matte box seems crazy good for the price. i love how you put the nd filter in the wrong rails at 3:50 :D
Why it should be on the wrong rail, while Smallrig designed it so? Where do you place your filter? Behind your camera?
You have helped me finalize my decision. Thank you so much.
Glad to hear !! Thanks for watching :)
@@OfTwoLands Anytime 🙏🏾
This review makes me buy it. Thanks
I’ll tell Smallrig
Thank you :) !!
Great video, i also pre ordered this matte box and choose it over the Tilta because of the two filter slots. I also don't like the way you mount a filter on the Tilta matte box.
You can adjust the strength of the flag with one of the included tools. Then you have better control and a better feeling about the top flag. :)
Thank you !! Yeah having two filters is amazing for sure. And yes I agree, as I say in the video the way to put filters on the tilta can be frustrating.
Of course haha, thanks for tip :).
How do you keep this matte box in perfect horizontal level? I had to struggle? I felt the need for the side flags, which are absent.
@@farwestgarohills3831 I use the dedicated rod support for the mattebox to keep it leveled. I can't comment on the side flags because I don't need them, sorry.
Coming from the Tilta my first impression was also “wow this is obnoxiously big” lol. Amazing for the price though. Great video 🙃
Thanks :). Haha kinda is. But yes, amazing value !!
Great review as always guys. My 2c (for what it's worth having owned neither, but pushing me towards the smallrig) is the distance between filters to the lens. The reason I didn't buy the tilta is because of how far away the filters sit from the lens element which can allow for light refraction. P.S. That village looks incredible, can't wait to be sipping cappuccinos there together!
Thanks mate !! And yes I agree with that point too, even though I never experienced any issues with the Tilta (on a few different lighting conditions) it definitely could happen.
And 100%, cannot wait for you guys to come. Will have to plan a few shoots 😬🎥 !!
@@OfTwoLands To be fair, we will probably have to plan some down time in between all the planned shoots 😬
Haha of course !! We will have plenty 😊😊
Thank you. Very informative and to the point video with lots of useful info. I am was considering smallrig but after seeing the size difference I would most likely get tilta mini when needed.
Thanks for watching man, glad you liked the video !! There is definitely a size difference, both great products though :).
Thanks for the great review. I like the design of the Smallrig, though I agree it might be a bit big for my Fuji's.
Thanks for watching !! It might be a bit small indeed for a Fuji type camera.
Nice vid. I was wondering why I couldn’t get the thread onto the 77mm filter. For people that are worried about not being able to use screw on filters: there is a product that allows you to do so with this matte box. You insert the filter into a 4x4/4x5.65 slide and insert it into one of the slots.
Thanks for the tip :) !!
What is this product called?
Just a heads up, but the latch that secures the top flag can be adjusted with one of the included allen keys to be much tighter than it is by default. I tightened mine so that the flag is firmly locked in place when the latch is closed, and I very much prefer it that way!
I did notice shortly after yes :). Thanks for watching !!
Thank you! I find your reviews unusually trustworthy. Maybe that's your voice. :-) I do wish you had better covered how exactly this mattebox attaches to 15mm rods. But I understand that rods are not a part of your usual rig.
Smallrig sell a rod adapter for 15mm rail setups.
Haha thank you :) !! Yeah that is why, but it is pretty similar to any other rod system and Smallrig sells their own adapter so you can move the matte box up and down depending on your setup.
Very helpful, thanks!!
Thanks for watching !!
@@OfTwoLands Pas de problème!!
I don't have any square filters yet and the fact that Tilta accepts circular filter is a deal maker.
Awesome review!
I have a promist filter on my lens currently. Will I be able to attach this with the filter on the lens? Or will I have to scrap that filter and get a completely new one to use the filter?
Thanks! :)
Thanks for the upload, looking forward to receiving mine, hopefully soon. A bit concerned about the 77mm ring as I only currently have one lens (Meike cine 25mm) and I too preordered the matte box .
I am contemplating buying the sigma 18-35 with both a speedbooster and a normal adapter for my bmpcc 4K. This would cover a nice range of field of view and would be nice to travel with. But with the current situation, I’m hardly filming and I can’t justify it to the misses ;) and no I don’t wear the pants in our household 😂 I choose Happy!
Thanks :).
Hopefully it is only mine :). Not a huge deal breaker, and easy to fix but still annoying.
Haha fair enough !!
Got mine yesterday and the 77mm ring was fine 👍
@@JPMVisuals Good to know, many thanks!
My 77mm ring fits my Sony 70-200 GM lens. So I can confirm it fits for me.
@@driftwoodpictures Sorry to hear that, I've just received mine and the adapter works fine, I hope you will get a replacement soon. You can always buy a single step-up and/or step-down ring off of Amazon to make do in the meantime. Those are usually cheap to buy!
beautiful and straight forward. i love it. subbed. where is the link for your nisi filter review?
Thanks again :) !!
Nice one!
Question: Regarding Nisi filters for matte box, better to use single 6-stop or 2 3-stop filters stacked up?
There’s a discount for them at the moment in Aus
Yeah will be getting one, got two tiffen 4.
x456 IRND glimmerglass filters coming and nothing to hold them lol
Was going to get the tilta will have to check when this comes in
2 filters is so handy :) !!
Thanks for a great review. Just wondering if you know how the matte box works with the rod system. Thanks from Malaysia
Great video as always! Have you tried mounting the matte box on your contax zeiss? If so, is it too bulky for smooth focusing?
Thank you :) !! And no I haven't yet, I would probably use the Tilta for the Contax unless I need 2 filters but I am sure it would be fine with the Smallrig too.
Gret review, thanks!
I know there's a huge difference in price and features, but how do you find it compared to the MB-T12 in terms of size/weight/practicality of side slots vs drop-in filters? Thanks!
Thank you for watching :) !! You can really tell the MB T12 is better built for sure but much heavier. I’m not sure which way I prefer when it comes to inserting the filters yet. You do get 3 with the MBT though.
Right now I would say unless you’re doing heavy work or high budget production and you can afford to buy or rent the MBT, the smallrig is definitely more than enough and amazing value !!
I just ordered mine. Along with a 4 x 4” ND8 glass filter. $AUD135.00 from Amazon. I’m looking forward to using it. Thanks for the comparison review I think I made the right purchase
Awesome :). Have fun !!
link to your order
Hi! I have the sigma 18-35 and the canon 70-200 like you. What was the front diameter of those lenses? I am trying to find the right spacer/donut to fit it on the matte box. Thanks!
Heyo. So I commented on your other video. My Nisi filters are super tight on my tilta mattebox. Did you experience this? Like so tight I can barely get them in and out. I’m afraid I’m gonna break a filter at some point trying to get them out. Are yours like that? Looks like they go in fairly easy in your videos. Thanks!
Great review.. I wish to have a mix of both of them... small in did for two filters 4x4... I don't need anything more..
Thanks !!
great review, I am convinced this is for me. Will is fit my 35mm Rokinon lens, on the blackmagic 6k
Thanks !! And yes it should as it is probably a standard diameter :).
wish you'd do an updated video on tilta and using circular ND 82mm filter and if you can make the work in video. thanks
Wanted to buy a bright tangerine one, but hell, this is the perfect starting point and the combo with the pro mist and nisi filter will be cheaper than the BT matte box.
I went through the same process and was very close to get the BT but couldn’t justify the price. Thanks for watching :).
Love mine.
I adapter the 77mm mount to use circular filters.
Glad you do :). Curious as to why you use circular filters with a matte box ?
@@OfTwoLands because I already had them
Fam! What is that D_tap connected to the bottom of your camera and where do I get one??? Great video and tone is intoxicating...sidebar. Thanks!
Hey, as I´m trying to support the mattebox and not only the lens, otherwise it´ll take more time when changing lenses, what about when focus pulling and then the lens moves back and forward, therefore moving the mattebox? What'd be the solution or there isn´t one? Thanks!
I have both, I use the Small rig on my A Camra and the Titla on my B camera. They both work great.
That’s a good way to do it :). I’ll probably do the same.
do you think that with enough use of this, it will slowly drag the lens down or loosen it in the mount? or do you think it’s light enough that it’s not a concern
What would you say if I need to use circular filter on the lens + lets say pro mist with the mattebox. Can you put circular filter on the lens at all with the adapter ring on the lens?
A step up from these is the Wooden Camera Zip Box Pro. Sometimes it's discounted and the price difference with Tilta and Smallrig is not that huge anymore. Also has 2 filters.
I have heard of it but never used it.
So what rings can i use for the sigma 18-35 and sirui 35mm anamorphic lenses?
Can you mount a circular Variable ND to the Mattebox Filter Threads?
When you use the tilta mattebox how do you use the mist and irnd at the same time when you want to
"We visited an alpine village in the French Alps...." ye thanks, dude, as I'm stuck in cold wet Scotland xD
Haha sorry man !! We live here so it’s easy for us. Really want to visit Scotland though :)
@@OfTwoLands Definitely recommend it man, lots to see!
Love your content. I have the Tilta Mini and now considering the new Smallrig Mini Matte Box as an addition. Are you planning to do a review of this product?
Thanks for the review. Any feedback on the sturdiness of the mount on the filter thread ? I mean, relying on the filter thread to hold the weight of the mattebox and the filter worries me a bit. (I never used a mattebox but i'm considering switching to one).
Thanks for watching !! It feels pretty sturdy to me, like it doesn't wobble or anything. Its metal so should be pretty safe. Of course with a proper and heavy cine lens I would use rods :).
@@OfTwoLands Thanks ! I'm also considering the rods ;)
Hi. Thanks for the video.
Can you use circle filters in both matte boxes?
Hey, thanks for watching !!
I think you can with the Tilta :)
Great video! I'm trying to figure how do you have the focuse wheel hook up to the the frame do you have any video showing how to do that?
Thank you !! You mean how to mount the follow focus onto the cage ?
@@OfTwoLands yes
I was thiiiis close to purchasing Tilta before discovering it's too small for 95mm lens. Very disappointed as the smaller size better suits my purpose. The Small Rig it is. Thanks!
Thanks for watching and glad I could help :).
Really love the smallrig matte box. But the size difference is quite a lot. How was this to travel with? Definitely a space grabber in any backpack or portable case!
Yeah it isn't easy to carry , either you leave it on or you need a big backpack haha. That's why I said for travel I will still use the Tilta :)
Thanks for this super useful and relevant video!! I have it on preorder and am waiting for it to arrive to my local dealer :) Question. Can you thread on circular filters to the lens adapters like you can on the tilta or is this not possible?
Thanks a lot for watching :) !! Unfortunately you cannot. I think if you use this matte box you may as well use two filters instead.
@@OfTwoLands ah okay cool thanks! Or maybe put the threaded diffusion filters behind the mattebox adapter and then just thread them on and off when you change lenses etc. :)
I got it yesterday and have nothing to compare it to as I've only seen pictures of matte boxes before 😄 but it does seem to let me attach filters and block out light, so all good. Wanted to use filters with my 11mm Irix lens that lacks a filter thread and it was affordable (comparatively). Mounted in on a small magic arm as I forgot to purchase the rod mount from SmallRig.
One question, though. Is there a way to remove the filters without putting your fingers all over the filter?
Yeah you can just push and pull touching only the edges or sides so you touch the actually face of the glass.
Great video! Thanks for making it. Question...can you also use the matte box icw a V ND filter between it and the lens?
Thanks for watching :) !! I guess you can but if the lens rotates then probably not.
@@OfTwoLands thanks for getting back, i’ve found this... www.simmodlens.com/product-page/simtray-filter-adapter could work I guess
Just order today the BMPCC 6K, and the Canon 16-35 🙊 . I will certainly get a Matte Box but the SMALLRIG seems a bit too big for me, I will buy the Tilta system in the future because it is compact. Although....the two rail SMALLRIG system for the filters, is really awesome....ahhhhhhgggg, ok i need more time to think about it😄...Watched your video about the Wise Advanced Portable SSD, do you know if a 6K 50 FPS BRAW is possible with this SSD ? I am having a hard time finding the right SSD or CFast. As always thank you for your honest opinion . Peace
I have a question for you regarding the Tilta and the other Smallrig mini matte boxes:
They all have the filter trays at the end of the matte box, making them more likely to have light hit them from the side and to have reflections inside. Have you had any issues with the Tilta in this regard?
I would like to get the Smallrig Mini Matte Box Pro, but I've notice that the Smallrig matte box you reviewed is the only model with the filter trays right next to the lens where they should be. Love your videos, BTW. There's a good reason your channel keeps growing and people keep engaging.
Nice review! Are there filter threads on the adapter rings? IE, can you mount a 82mm circular filter on the front of the 82mm adapter ring? Would be great to be able to use a variable ND with the mattebox.
Thank you !! Unfortunately not, I think they probably built in with the intended use of having 2 cinema filters and not circulars. You can always use a VND that has a thread and snap the Matte box on top of that :).
@@OfTwoLands too bad. Would be good being able to use both. Thanks for the reply.
Loved the video man! Just out of curiosuity, which ring adapter did you use for the sigms 18-35 for the mattebox. I just bought the samllrig one as in your video, but found the rings that came with it aren't fitting as expected
Thanks man !! It should work as they give you a 72mm adapter :).
@@OfTwoLands thank you!!
Hey loved your review! I'm trying to use this with some vintage lenses but they rotate when I focus. Do you have a solution for this?
Thanks a lot !! You can have the matte box on the rod and maybe use a skirt/donut on the lens if they don’t rotate too much ? But they’re usually for focus breathing.
Honestly I don’t really know :(.
Anyone have any solutions when using the SmallRig matte box and Rod Support with a lens that doesn't have internal focusing? Once everything is locked in, the barrel of these kinds of lenses cannot freely move when trying to focus.
Thanks
Thank you !!
Can I use my nisi nd filter screwed on the lens and put the Matte box on it or it's not possible?
How to use Smallrig matte box with my circular VND or Polariser filters? In my opinion this is a real issue.... The lack of internal threads on the rings is a real disappointment
Hey really love your content this is awesome . What is your preferred camera you use for videomaking , I'd love to have a conversation and maybe even collaborate on different ways in telling stories through film!
Can you still use screw on filters with the smallrig?
Is it possible to put threaded polarizer on it?
Not sure if you knew this but they come in 3 different sizes? I bought the very smallest for my Pocket 6K G2 and to be honest it looks like a toy and is kinda cheap as well. I wish I had gotten this one instead.
I like it, but sometimes I think that I don't need it and only want it in order to show off, that cool cinema rig.
Amazing bro 🙏
Thanks a lot :) !!
Great review! For a sony a7 iii camera which matte box would you recommend? The Smallrig or the Tilta?
Thanks !! Depends on your need really, but if you intend to use 1 filter than maybe the tilta :).
@@OfTwoLands Thanks man :)
Do you have a recommendations for a all purpose filter for a music video editor?
Sorry for all the questions XD
Great review! Can the Tilta mount to 15mm rods? I know it's light weight, but I'd rather not put more pressure on the lens
Thanks !! Yes it can :)
Yes, you can purchase the rod mount and it's inexpensive. I added mine to my order in the presale. Works great!
Can you use this matte box on lenses that extend out as you zoom, suck as the Sony100-400? Thanks!
Zoom out is never ideal, even though the MB is quite light. It the lens rotates then that's a definite no of course.
One of the reviews on B&H indicates that the Smallrig scratches the edges of the filters after a while. Have you found this to be true? That would be a dealbreaker for me.
I have not seen this issues yet, maybe I haven't been using it enough though.
Nice review! Can you use a 82mm VND with this set up? I'd be interested to know if you could use a VND + 4x5.65 filter at the same time.
Thanks !! Well you can use a 82mm VND that has a thread at the front and then snap on the Matte box with a filter in but not ideal as mentioned below it can rotate the MB based on the VND you have.
@@OfTwoLands that doesn’t work so well because when you turn the filter it also spins the matte box. Also, the weight of the matte box tends to spin the vnd on its own. I’ve tried this with the Tilta mini matte box 😕
Nice review by the way 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@simplyfrank72 Oh yeah of course. Thanks !!
I got the Matte box though i am unsure where to get the holders for the 4x4 filters though that said i am going to have a look at the nisi ones
The NISI are really nice, very happy with them. I am sure the 4x4 are the same quality as the 5x5.65.
@@OfTwoLands I literally can't find them anywhere 🤣 not for the UK at least not easily.
Has anyone noticed that you can't use a shorter lens with this and a follow focus at the same time?
Tilta 1 square filter, but you can also use a filter on the ring itself !
Did you stop using your Tilta MB-T12? Can you tell me Why? I am currently using it, looking for a gimbal-alternative/light weight addition to my arsenal.
Yes I did, I moved overseas and couldn't take all my gear. The smallrig is the perfect one then, 2 filters, cheap and lightweight :).
Would you still use this with the 6K Pro giving that they have internal ND filters?
Yes, for proper / full on projects where I have time to swap filters or if I have an assistant. The quality of the NISI is better.
I thought it was just me......I found it so hard the screw the 77mm adapter on to my lens.
Does filters come with the matte box
Hey, do you still recommend to get mattebox for 6k PRO ? If yes, which one do you recommend more for pro version, and how it works with 18mm f4 contax zeiss (rotate front)?
I think it depends on the work you do and the type of lenses you have rather than the camera. With cinema lenses you need to and if you want to use high quality cinema filters you also do. I don't use it with the 18mm, I prefer to use a circular ND :)
Many thanks for answer, I use set of contax zeises and dont thinks I will use pro mist or smt like that. After your answer I think I will skip mattebox on my rig:p
Nice Video
Thanks :) !!
What is your opinion on using this matte box with sony crop sensor bodies? Nice video ❤️
I don't think it makes any difference :).
Unless fully rigged out it will probably look and feel ridiculous having the mattebox twice or three times the size of the camera body
What the best Nisi filters to you use for music videos. Thinking about getting into using filters but don’t know where to start
I have the IRND 0.9 and 1.8, music video or not :). It just depends on the subject and style not so much on the fact that it is a music video.
@@OfTwoLands got you! Preciate it.
@@OfTwoLands do you have a link to the 1.8 filter. I want to make sure I buy the right one