Joe Lycett CHALLENGES Council’s Outrageous Fines | Joe Lycett’s Got Your Back
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- Joe Lycett and Sophie Duker take on Croydon Council over the Parsons Mead LTN (Low Traffic Neighbourhood) which has left locals racking up hundreds of pounds in fines.
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What you need to do it get an interview with one of the councillors, con them into doing a driving interview in their car, and take them through every single one of them. That’s pure crookery.
Omg this is genius.
Theyd make money tho as they get money from this too so theyd still be paying but far less than us
@@Soraking007 Not if you get them to do it in a different council area
That's the Tories for you.
Sophie Duker should be added to the show's lineup permanently, this clip was fresh for the show and very fun!
It's entrapment, they need to provide a clear exit route, a 3 point turn in the middle of a main road is not an exit strategy. I have challenged similar and won the judge has agreed with me. The council in question still continues with their illegal trap though, nothing changed. It is simply a money making scheme nothing else!
LTN's are not the problem, but they should only be instated with viable alternatives for motorists and clear signage. Councils clearly using the schemes to make money are just encouraging division .
That's the point, they weren't going after all LTNs but instead these kinds of LTNs.
I'm afraid you're beyond help Dick.. 🥔
they are the problem, its greed, another way to hurt the working person who just wants to get on with their lives. Its disgusting. Outrageous. Nasty vicious councils.
Croydon council is broke, what do you expect?
“Reducing air pollution, congestion and making it safe for our children… ok, making 3 million in fines for using a road for it’s only purpose whilst increasing the other things but DO YOU WANT CHILDREN TO DIE!?”
We seem to be bombarded by this kind of manipulative con lately, but it’s particularly shameful when councils do it.
If people knew how to drive legally they would make zero. It is an idiot tax, if you drive through that area you deserve to get fined, if you don't understand what the signs mean you shouldn't be driving.
@@talonlan this is what the government and local councils pry on. That's how they make their money and it's not right
@@talonlan Blocking access to essential streets which have been used for decades with no incidents has nothing to do with bad driving and everything to do with the government Scheming to make money
@@talonlan I mean, no? Like, this is clearly meant to be a trap, for one thing the sign doesn't work you until you're already about to go through it, if you don't know ahead of time it's there you'd have to know you need to turn around and go all the way around. And for fucking what, how is this 10 foot long "pedestrian zone" with no other clear methods of going around it, that is not appreciably different from the roads on either side of that zone in any meaningful way, helping anything apart from its use to solicit fines from people?
@@talonlan Err, no.
Signs that stopped you used to have a diagonal line indicating "NO" they are inconsistent
I'm thinking perhaps an actual barrier that lifts only when you present your permit might help clear things up. I'm sure 5 million might make that possible?
D Lawn as the roads ALL BELONG TO THE TAX PAYER Councils have NO Rights to Impede our use of them whether through Barriers or Fines
@@Scavendon Enlighten Me. why don't you.
“I just noticed there’s a massive vibe between us….that’s not acceptable without a permit” this is next level failing the vibe check
you have a permit it's called a Road Fund Licence , and the roads belong to the TAX PAYERS you pay for them and their upkeep through you Council TAX. If they want to break Common Law and impede your right off Travel stop paying Road and Council TAX let their Fines Cover it all.
LTN's are fantastic when executed properly, preventing rat runs and making local roads a lot safer for walkers and those using pushchairs/wheelchairs.
But this isn't an LTN at all. This is clearly an easy win from the council to get some dosh, with cheap signs and a repurposed ANPR cam they already had from a recently closed car park. Disgraceful
Exactly... it's not a residential street.
im a foreigner, but even this seems so far stretched why not restrict the speed limit to 20, or just put road bumps all over the neighbourhood or build proper infustructure to allow for children and elderly, why resort to designating entire areas as not drivable so fines can be issued. it seems like such a drastic step to reduce road related incidents..... when other countrys have nothing of any similar nature and have no issue what so ever. i feel like the english government has just brainwashed you into thinking these zones are moral...
If they wanted it to be effective they should have used a rising bollard
'Rat run'
A term created by freemason child traffickers, to demonize members of the public, as if they are doing something bad by driving down a public street!
Our council is broke unfortunately. What else do we do?
All those fines and people are living with damp, mold, leaks and crumbling ceilings. Make it make sense.
People arguing that the signs make it clear and that these people are bad drivers don't know what they're saying.
Because signage doesn't necessarily mean it's entirely clear. For example, they do not have warning signs yards before you reach it. So, when you suddenly register the sign in your head, driving up you might be going too fast to safely slow down and make a turn especially if there's a car behind you.
Also, a lot of people rely on Google maps or GPS when taking unfamiliar routes. And at the time of recording anyway. LTN were not recorded on them so people would assume that its alright because it's google and they're mostly correct anyway.
So, yes. This sign was placed exactly there to TRICK people and fine them. It wasn't to make the neighbourhood better. Especially since Croydon council didn't even reply to them. And it was revealed they were making a lot of profit from the fines. And they didn't use that to make it more clear so people would stop driving through. It is being used as a money making road.
I don't think "Google told me to go here" is as good of an excuse as you think it is, but clearly 21 other people who like your post also shouldn't be on the road.
Don’t agree with sat navs at all people should know where they are going when they are behind the wheel and really don’t understand why they have been put into the driving test. (And before you say anything I’m 25 years old been driving for 7 years and drive all over the country) People should be able to read signs when driving and should know what they mean. A car in a red circle means that you should not drive there and the sign clearly states what permit you need to drive though. However dispute this, to me this is still a money making scheme on the bases the council have put it there to reduce pollution. How can taking people on a 2 mile detour reduce pollution. It’s madness.
@@Dean256 How the fck am I gonna know where I am going when I am driving in an area for the first time? "People eating off a plate should know what all food tastes like"
@@budpop how about a map.
@@Dean256 That's a good idea actually. What about we take it even further and make it a digital map that can know our location in real time? Oh! Maybe even add in a function like the digital map showing us a route to get to our destination!
The signs are unclear and incorrect. They don't really tell people anything. There isn't a line across the vehicle, so the signs aren't actually telling people not to drive there; they're just telling people that there are cars and motorcycles there. I don't know how laws work in the U.K, but the council would not be able to fine people without clear, legible signage.
You don't need a line across the vehicles; the red circle around them means that those vehicles are prohibited. In the pure context of UK road signage, the signs are very clear.
However, any sensible person would have signs leading up to the zone to stop people heading in that direction, and a sign at the T junction warning people not to turn left. Unless the primary motivation for the council is simply to make money from fines, of course...
@@rhysepoos
It may be clear to you, but I'm sure it wouldn't be to most people. Their sign is wrong. A no parking sign has a P inside a red circle with a line across it, a no right turn sign has a black arrow inside a red circle with a line across it, a no U-turn sign has a black U inside a red circle with a line across it. Therefore, if cars and motorcycles are not allowed in that area, there should be a red line across the middle of the circle.
The statement on the sign "Fifty yards except permit holders" doesn't have any reference to what they're talking about.-It's an incomplete statement. With the diagram of a car and a motorcycle inside a circle, without a line across it, the sign is actually saying cars and motorcycles are allowed, unless they driver has a permit (what type of permit isn't stated either).
@@jublywubly In that case, most people need to brush up on their knowledge of traffic signs. Signs prohibiting certain vehicles never have a line through them in the UK. The highway code is quite clear that a picture of a motorbike and a car within a red circle means motor vehicles are prohibited within that zone
"The signs are unclear" if you don't know what this sign means you shouldn't be driving. It's very simple, don't break the rules and you don't get fined. What are you going to say next, parking meters are too hard to understand? This shit has been around for ages now.
@@woutervanr
Their sign says the opposite of what they mean it to say.
If those vehicle are not allowed, then the sign should have a red circle with a line across it, as is used for other street signage, such as no parking.
The lack of a line across the circle indicates that all cars and motorcycles are allowed in the area, except for BG permit holders.
So are Croydon Council _STILL_ doing this?? Has anything actually changed?
All right, let's put their rebuttal another way. If the pure goal of the fine was to reduce traffic and noise pollution, which it clearly hasn't based on the research at the beginning, then that means the fine isn't benefitting anybody except the council. According to the Freedom of Information Act, as of 2020, at least three council member earn over _£200,000 per year_ in Croydon. THAT is where the money is going.
So here's a solution that better suits the goal of the road. Turn it into pedestrians/cyclists only. That solves every goal of the fine in place, without hurting people who need to pass, and allowing you to remove the fine. Show us, Croydon council, that this is actually the goal and _not just a way to line your grossly overpaid pockets_
The Tories set a debt trap for Labour in Croydon, the council went bankrupt, Labour was blamed and the Conservatives won, since then they have done everything to make a bit of money, they've even sold museum artifacts.
I'm from Ealing. Thank God, some of our ridiculous LTNs were removed after people went mental.
LTNs are great, this one is just a but dodgy, but that's what we get after the Tories bankrupted our council.
So now fines are a business model!???
Going by the fact no one seams to know and the amount of money they get. i would imagine the actual traffic has not gone down in that area.
They play the same game in Australia - so much so that individual police officers and council workers like parking attendants have quotas for fines they have to give out and they take future fines into account when delivering the yearly national budget reports. Towards the end of each month you could get pulled over for any random thing the police make up and they'll peel your car apart looking for anything they can write you out a fine for. My mother and 6 of her co-workers were fined for parking in a private car park where they work and the council dismissed the fines as soon as they complained - they were just hoping that some people would pay them and not bother complaining.
Dart Charge. More infrastructure to catch out motorists than to take them across the Thames.
What I have noticed where roads get blocked, traffic increases elsewhere and fumes go up.
Wonder how much they'd still care about these zones if they didn't get to collect the fine money? No budget should rely on people breaking the rules.
sophie's orange outfit is so cool
If only this could change things in the US. Only a few states require cops to keep themselves visible with corner lights or partial patrol lights at night and day, prevent speed traps, etc. Most elsewhere it's totally legal to be sneaky. I've had cops even pull me over for bogus garbage and claim it was through a school zone or somewhere I wasn't even in. I don't even know how we'd clean up this mess in our country. We just paid over a grand in falsified tickets we tried fighting for a year, our Assistant DA was literally never in her office, and then she got arrested for corruption that happened during when we got the fake tickets. Did they cancel them? Nope. We'd had proof and everything that the cop who tried arrest one of our household for literally no reason and created false tickets was lying. They don't care here.
I love watching Joe Lycett because it makes me glad that at least other countries still have some say in their rights as humans. My country is basically on the cusp of destruction at this point.
Edit: Typo/fixed meaning in initial sentences.
They are all freemasons (secret society members) and have each others backs. That is why this system is rotten!
In some states in the US, that camera wouldn't have been up for long after discovery.
‘Man disobeys traffic regulations, blames council’
Some of these comments show that physics isn't an accessible concept for some people... If you prevent 'rat runs' through your tiny residential street and divert it back to the main roads (less than 0.5 miles away), your air quality, quantity of pollutants, etc does not improve. More cars being idle while stuck in a traffic jam increase the concentration of exhaust fumes within your immediate vicinity. Just because you see fewer cars in front of your front door does not mean you are breathing cleaner air. Residents should take councils to task when it comes to protecting and introducing more green spaces that can absorb CO2 and provide a natural barrier to sound.
You clearly don't know how traffic works, but please educate us all on "physics" with your knowledge. It does seem that you mean "you feel like" traffic will move from one street to the other and it has nothing to do with physics.
Shhhh don't use logic, it scares them!
@@woutervanrthe fumes concentration and how air moves the fumes is exactly physics lmao
It wasn’t clear that you would get fined, surely you could appeal that
Seriously, can this be legal at all.
I dont live in UK and i make aproxematly around 15pounds an hour. Totaling around 120 a day, if i had to go past there on the way to work and back from work. Id be better of not going to work at all. consider that 120 is before tax too...
Most councillors are elected by about 25% of the electorate, sometimes they only attract a few hundred votes. If residents don’t like what they’re doing on their 4 year expenses paid ego tips, or it’s obvious they’re ignoring the majority, turn out in May and vote the current ones out.
Trouble is the British moan and are good at whinging, but do nothing, the powers that be know this, laugh at us and carry on, l'm afraid we must be more robust and muscular in our response, if our government continues to abuse democracy.
I don’t understand how people can say it’s not clearly marked. It is. However, this looks like a money making scheme to me how can closing that section of road for about 50 yards and sending you on 2 mile diversion be helping pollution?
sophie has the best earings ever
This is insane- some of the UK driving fines are crazy.
Joe is on a mission man. Changes are coming. Sick of being mugged off by the system
New Zealand has a show called "Fair go", which works to educate and litigate against this crookery. I feel like they would have done more than protest outside a council building though.
YES
Sophie Duker is absolutely lovely
"Even hot ppl aren't safe." 😂😂
Time the law was changed to restrict the use of these systems.
They are just a means for councils to make money from the motorist.
It's daylight robbery.
Croydon is not alone in this.
BTW, if Croydon had stayed in their old Town Hall instead of moving into the fancy new place, they might not have gone broke.
Has no one thought of disabling the camera?? No camera = no fines.
= criminal damage, you could get a lot more than a fine for that.
@@thedarkness111 Just make sure they can't ID you and you're set. Also, you can disable the camera without permanently damaging it. I was thinking paint, tbh.
If they tried to pull this shit over here they'd better buy paint remover in bulk. Same goes for 1984 practices like cctv cameras in neighbourhoods.
Exactly, let me start up my chainsaw.
I'm confused. This would be shot out where i live
They should install automatic bollars with LTNs, that way the enforcement is 100% and no fines need to be sent ever.
Omg!! I'm into this show from hereon!!!
a council recently raised daily parking charges from £2 to £15, they know nobody will pay that much, so they can just be handing out massive fines constantly, huge scam.
So the council says "Hey, you lot, we're going bankrupt, so let's offset that by fleecing as many vehicle owners as we can, to pay for our wasteful ways"....?
Time to abolish the local robber Barons?
Received yesterday from a fixed speed camera. £816 fine + 6 points on my clean licence😡my crime? 35mph in a 30 zone😞HELP
If i lived round there I'd have cut the camera off by now
If any business would try to make money using the shady practices councils use they would end up in jail!
I have so many questions about the orange slices. So. Many. Questions.
Usually there is a private company the gets a very large piece of the money brought in from the fines and the council does nothing except pass the by-laws.
All those people and nobody thought of bringing a set of ladders and a lump hammer 🤣
still angle cutter ,cut down the pole, steel camera , tax payers paid for them . unwillingly.
Just do what people have done in my area cut the camera down, the speed camera in my area has been cut down numerous times and has not been pit back up since
Surprised there weren't more protests
lol if I lived in the area I'd just hit the camera's lens with the most powerful laser I could buy online and fry the sensor everytime they replaced it. They'd soon get sick of replacing the entire camera system 365 days a year.
FFS don't pay the extortion, councils will soon get the message
This wouldn't work in the States, we'd just shoot the camera out.
Use a rock, bullets are wicked expensive
@@Itiswhatitisyep 22lr
Why don't the Public dismantle the hardware? It's paid for by the Public.
And they still say it has nothing to do about money.
The simple solution to go along at night in balaclavas and tear the fucking camera down, bonus points for installing your own camera so you know when they put it back up.
Videos like these are good to raise awareness, but the only solution is to get rid of it yourself.
It will be put back up immideately, considering all the money the council is making from the fines.
@@Spacemongerr Maybe so, still should tear it down.
I hate living near a Rat street run I love these camera's and the sign is clear. At least this way there is no barriers that also stop emergency vehicle's too, like in Oxford.
You have big Shaq, and then here we have not so big shak
Watching this remindings me of what sadik Khan is doing to London today!🤦♀️
Ever since the LEZ, ULEZ, congestion charge, LTN and Birmingham Clean Air Zone have been introduced it's all about making money and hardly about helping pollution/ traffic levels. It's all about taking your sweet, sweet money under the guise of helping the environment.
Should do Lewisham council. The LTN is ridiculous.
Destroy the cameras.
Went to Hackney last Friday to see Sean Walsh, got diverted by satnav on the way home at around 10:30pm and my mate received a lovely £130 fine 2 days later… as if navigating through London wasn’t already a pain.
Absolute scam artists, fuck going to London again.
Well guess they will never see any utility labourers or deliveries coming over anytime soon as they dont want a fine. Reminds me of what they done in Lee Lewisham trapping people till its too late and either get stuck in a large goods vehicle or get a fine
That in Lee Lewisham being them turning a 30 minute drive into a 2.2 hour drive over 4x as worse traffic idling and jams etc. I don't know if its still the same case anymore as after that I gave up with all the fine, actually moved away and changed jobs it got too sickening that had me being out my home for over 15+ hours each working day.
Looks like everyone’s tax will go up then
I feel in court you could just call this bullshit that its more green and the judge would agree
You did unlawfully cross the restraining line of a prohibition sign. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. The sign is clear and has been in the highway code since 1965. Now is the use of the sign a trap? Probably. Is a magistrate or judge going to give you the time of day, probably not.
Break the cameras, SIMPLE AS THAT!
How has this got a comedy tag. Proper sneakyshizz right there
Behind the sketch their is a harsh display of trickery, i would of not known what the sign meant and before you say do your research, if im driving down that road i wouldn't have time to research it, US as the public NEED to be made aware of any new traffic signs they decide to put up for us to play guess the sign
You don't know what a standard no entry sign is? How did you even pass your test
@@helloweeny passed my theory 1st time got 50/50 on my questions passed my practical 2nd time as i wasnt ready 1st time but anyhow
Everyone knows what a STANDARD no entry sign looks like WHEN displayed correctly, the majority of drivers didn't know this in the video clip so how the hell did they pass their test, god knows 🙄
And everyone knows what common sense and understanding is so how the hell have you made it this far in life, take a look at the bigger picture helloweeny 😂😂
@@christopheredison2094 I don't understand why you are complaining, there are two signs on either side that show a no entry for motor vehicles. What more do you want?
@@helloweeny have a look aty comments properly, when your in your vehicle driving, its hard to concentrate and understand a new road sign especially when your in a new area, thats all I'm saying, majority of people clearly didnt know they would be FINED driving through their, clearer description we need about the fine itself aswell
@@helloweeny you getting where im coming from now
Sophie os such a frikkin natural at this!!! She should host her own segment
was that a guest appearance by ladbaby?
Its definitely a trap to get money
The sign should be before the road and they should probably make the texts bigger.
Love this!
That's what it's all about the money
I you live in the area just keep smashing the camera at night from the back so it cant see if they replace it do it again soon it will cost to much to replace if not earning them money.
Ambulance getting fined aren’t ok however that sign does nook clear to me
Just put damm no entry board.
Sophie needs a regular spot on the show!
If you have a car that is taxed motd and insured, therefore legally allowed on a PUBLIC highway, how can you legally be fined for using it? These are public highways not private, so where is the legality?
You are truly doing God's work
ahahaha “Cheeeeeeese and rice”! That is adorable.
Pretty cool
Instead of protesting the local residents should just destroy the cameras everytime they are put up again. If all the local residents are against them, as long as they cover themselves up when they destroy the cameras they won't be identifiable. And nobody in the local area is going to help identify.
And if it's multiple different people from the local area destroying the cameras it would be near impossible to pinpoint blame :D
Destroy the cameras, vandalise and this will send the message
Paint bomb them!
Lol just smash the camera
Just paint over the camera, which is vandalism as opposed to destruction of public property
@@kakapofan6542 only if you get caught :)
@@Johnny-Joseph The thing is taxes have to pay for it being replaced. If you paint they can just use rubbing alcohol, or if its tape they can just rip it off. If one knocked it down, it will be put back up and the council would use it as an excuse to put up taxes.
@@kakapofan6542 That's not quite how tax revenue operates :) Long and short, it happened in my old neighborhood and after the second time they did not replace it. Took them 6 months to replace the first one, and two years later the replacement is still broken.
@@Johnny-Joseph ok, personally I'm not a fan of destruction but I guess this is fine.
Why isn't the camera painted over yet
Because most people understand that it cost tax money to clean up.
Shame.... no one has a ladder and a convenient cereal box for that camera...
In the US, private companies like this can't actually enforce their fines. People don't know that, though, and it's hard to tell the difference between them and the state ran ones.
NO WAY SHE IS THE FEMALE YUNG FILLY HAHAHA
This happened to me twice 😢
Then you probably should brush up on your road signs as you clearly shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car with such poor knowledge.
So you didn't know once, got a fine and then drove through one again? That's just dumb.
Angle grinder a tow rope just pull it down
So the public pays taxes and those taxes go to building and maintaning roads, then they put up a sign saying the public can't use the rroads they paid for...
Wow, that would not fly in Australia. That is ridiculous
Plenty of bullshit flies in Australia lol
You know that traffic cameras in Australia bring in $500m per year...
@@Johnny-Joseph yeah but there aren’t random streets that only the privileged get to drive down (unless you live there)
This isn't a road for the privileged it is allowed to be driven through by permit holders ( the people who live there) motorists using this road as a cut through to avoid traffic are the ones that can't. It makes residential streets safer and quieter. This whole video is bullshit, as it is perfectly well signposted only idiots get fined.
Why not have the FINANCIAL solution to every engagement with YOUR Public-servants/Trustees?
CROYDON COUNCIL Spokesman- `We own `public space` so pay us money`
You- `YES, CERTAINLY (this removes the controversy because there is now agreement to facilitate them) it`s just that we charge you £999 to DO that for you and because we have NO-CONFIDENCE with you administrating our Trust (the Constructive Trust is collapsed so we are no longer granting them any more credit) payment must be with us immediately, thank you`
Please remember that THEY are NOT volunteers.....so why should YOU be?
The secret to every engagement before business inter-course is just two words....
....CONDITIONAL acceptance.
Croydon Council needs to Remember They OWN NOTHING, it all belongs to the people of the area , their Ancestors Built it and now it's passed to their Descendants who pay the Taxes to keep it operating ,. Councils seem to forget their only there until removed at Elections, like this lot in place at the moment all up and down the Country. their All sitting on Thin Ice.
@@douglastodd1947
Thank you for your reply,
...and you are correct. THEY do not own anything.
If you are not an employee of the the Council, then what has their statutes/by-laws/ordinances /policy got to do with YOU? .....it only applies to THEM.
That is why it is important to COUNTER-charge whenever they bring a charge against your Trust.
And it may be best-business-practice to NOT attorn* your jurisdiction, because when you do,
you are accepting that their rules & regulations apply to you.
*attorn/əˈtəːn/verb- formally make or acknowledge a transfer of something (your name in CAPITAL LETTERS=the BUSINESS you)
to agree to be tenant to a new owner(the State) or landlord (Judge) of the same property
(YOUR name)
Well done Joe
So those with out a pass have to turn around do a 2 mile diversion and this some how prevents traffic problems? Does not make sense, its very clear that these are simply money making systems!
as someone who still masks, I love seeing all of the masks into the vid
Lovely to see my home town's corrupt council.
Wait….more couldn’t be done?!
was there a Law passed giving Councils POWERS to Break our Unalienable Right to TRAVEL Unimpeded in the Ordinary Course of ones life and Business in the pursuit of happiness. that allows them to issue Fines whilst Breaking OUR RIGHT. .of Unimpeded Travel
Sophie rocks!
So what happens if your mate lives in that area? Have to get a permit to have a beverage? Put a bag over their cameras.
And love Sophie bless her
Nothing that a pellet rifle and a good aim would put these cameras to toll on another point why pay road tax for roads u can’t use , also the extra cost in fuel should be sent to the council for reimbursement along with a rebate for your road tax 😎
What are creps?
I rather go to prison then pay fines !!
I HATE SCAMMERS