'HELL NO!' Stephen A. doesn't want to hear DYNASTY if the Chiefs LOSE 🍿 | First Take
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- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Marcus Spears and Mina Kimes join Molly Qerim in Las Vegas to debate who is under more pressure to win the Super Bowl, Brock Purdy or Patrick Mahomes. Then, the panel discuss whether the Kansas City Chiefs should be considered a dynasty if they lose to the San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl LVIII.
0:00 More pressure: Purdy or Mahomes?
5:00 Is Purdy changing the narrative?
7:30 Are the Chiefs a dynasty with a loss in the Super Bowl?
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I love to revisit these videos after the Superbowl. Thank you CZcams algorithm. Rewatching this is always a nice laugh 😂😂😂😂
That old man laugh “what you put in your coffee”🤣🤣🤣
Some of that Poitier
@@AntonioVanegas93😂😂😂
KC really not even supposed to be playing right now with how the receivers played this season
CHIEFS won 3 STRAIGHT playoff games this season. Only team that did. Stop with the season blah blah, that's the way it works. You don't win playoff games you don't go to the Super Bowl.
But they are
They are. They have the greatest player in the league who is on track to be of all time. Regular season is 100% irrelevant
That was their Super Bowl hangover attitude. Different story now
Who's your team.
fair to say you need 3 chips for a dynasty
It's weird how the chiefs won Superbowl 1 and now their in the the latest Superbowl .
I would say either 3 or two in a row makes a team a dynasty
@@evileyevalaus2 in a row ain't a dynasty 😂
@@jeff3149the chiefs didn’t win the first Super Bowl lol it was the Packers why do you think they call it the Lombardi Trophy lol
They can do that if they win on Sunday.
Whose here after we won
So... by Swagu's math...
the 80s Niners are not a Dynasty?
the 2014-2018 Patriots weren't a Dynasty?
the 70s Steelers were not a Dynasty?
the 80s Lakers were not a Dynasty?
Preach!!!
Like make it make sense lol
The 2014-18 patriots are of course a dynasty. It’s the same dynasty that started in the early 2000s. A 20 year 6 Super Bowl dynasty
Only the 90's cowboys?
Dynasty should speak to more than rings. It should be sustained success with championships mixed in.
Mina sounds like she's on another level than these bros.
Props
I came here just to say that. She is running circle around them. It’s like she is a 10 year specialist doctor talking to a 1st years med school student.
Because she is.
She is way better than anyone on this panel or even other shows.
Am I the only one that caught her say at first Purdy is under more pressure and then at the end say Mahomes is under more pressure?
yeah, she's half asian
Mahomes is a hall of famer. Doesn’t matter what happens in this game. Purdy is clearly under more pressure.
Wrong. There is no pressure to beat a guy that can't be beat, especially when you're a first season, last pick white guy. Noone beats mahomes.
he has the better team lol@@user-tb2rg8wi1f
How does a kid playing his first full season in the NFL have pressure lol hes playing with house money. Hes like 5yrs away from his prime. Patrick is in his prime and is expected to win
@@user-tb2rg8wi1f im not white, but what does him being white have anything to do with his play?
@@Onestonedbake White players are trash. So there's no pressure to be any good
Swagu with the Le Portier shout out!! Mad love….and Molly ever so delectable!!❤🎉🎉🎉
I don't even see how this effects Purdy negatively, win or lose. Dude was the last pick and people had no expectations of him, this year was no exception. Coming into the season everybody was saying he was going to regress because opposing defenses would figure him out. All the dude has done is exceed expectations one after the other. If the 49ers win everyone is going to say it was because of their skill positions and defense, they won't give the man his flowers. So why would we criticize him for losing if we won't even praise him if they win?
To me, Mahomes is obviously under more pressure. He's not trying to leave a team legacy he's trying to catch up, and eventually surpass, Tom Brady. Imagine if he falls one or two rings short of Brady- all we're going to bring up is the fact he lost to Mr. Irrelevant and how it stained his legacy. Just like how Brady losing to Nick Foles hurt his legacy alittle bit.
I agree
"And you know I don't have to get back into it" 😂😂😂😂😂 unc crazy
Three championships is a dynasty. If some people think it's 2, and some people think it's 3, then it can't be 2 if it's not definitive. There's consensus for everyone is 3 is a dynasty.
It has to be in a span of 4 or 5 years.
@@jasonlejuan975you kinda disagreed with yourself in this comment...
I think it should be 10 years with sustained success (playoffs, conference titles ultimately gate keeper to the SB) with super bowl wins and appearances during that time. Other than that, 2 or 3 in a short amount of time is a good run. They got names for that, back2back, three-peat.
I mean how does 3 out of 4 become better than a three-peat, no matter what happened before the first win or what happened in between, or what happened after the last win? I think the cowboys have gas lighted everybody to (if you still want to call it a dynasty) the weakest dynasty of all time.
Consider his youth and multiple AFC championships , already two SB'sand right now , we consider KC alraedy a dynasty, point !!!!!!!
Nah you just want it too badly. Watering down the term dynasty for your team wont make it any less embarrassing when they lose tomorrow.@@DonGivani
If the cheifs win this year it’s hard to say they aren’t
I'd say they are because that would be two in a row and teams don't go back to back like that
3 in 5 years. Thats a Dynasty to me
And they will do it
@@HMR2121 and they did...
Purdy doesn't need a win to earn respect, he needs to perform great and put his team in position to win. But if Pacheco rushes for over 100yds, Kelce and Rice have monster games with Mahomes and the Chiefs barely pull off a shootout win, Purdy will get respect like Hurts did after the Eagles loss.
Hurts deserved no respect. People gassed him up for “outplaying” a mahomes on one leg
he played great that game. But this year was bad agree@@icydiamonds3747
Purdy needs to focus on how to help his team win, and not be baited into a QB vs QB matchup. This sports talk is all about baiting them to play differently than they should. Purdy needs to mature and not get into this QB battle.
SAS and Shannon have better chemistry than Shay and skip
No
True
@@armstrongedo8505you’re joking
@@Boomi_Dog Either way it is mainly about Shannon, Undisputed is terrible with Key
Nope not even close
I remember it always being 3 chips within a 5 year stretch. I personally think the Chiefs win on Sunday, so there shouldn't be any debating it on Monday.
They won
not only would it be 3/5 if they lose this and win next year, it would be 3 in 6 years with 5 appearances. arguably the best run of the modern era but somehow not a dynasty
Only according to Swagu
If they win Sunday, it’s 3 in 6 years. If they lose this Sunday, but win next year, it’s 3 in 7 years. You’re close
People are stupid. A team could go 97-3 in 5 years. Three of their loses are in superbowl, and these clowns will say that wasn’t a dynasty.
@@themothaeffinpooch1206 What are you talking about? Their first super bowl was 4 years ago which makes it 3 in 5 years if they win this year.
Chiefs need to win 3 to be a dynasty. We ain't handing out participation trophys out here for effort.
2 chips are not effort enough?
Check what they have done with Andy Reid, along with 4 SB's in 6 years is a dynasty.
Well they have 3 championships and they could get a fourth one Sunday
@@jondoh501A dynasty has always meant WINNING Superbowls, not just going. To be a dynasty in sports it either needs to be a three peat or winning 3 chips in 4 years. CHIEFS haven't even won back to back yet, if they win this one I still wouldn't call them a dynasty. You can't just change what it's always been bc you like a team
@@scumnazzey5226 A dynasty isn't determined by the amount of total Superbowls an ENTIRE franchise has won...
It is established historical precedent that a dynasty requires a minimum of three championships with mostly the same core roster over a close period of time. It's not just about exhibiting excellence, it's about exhibiting dominance. Curly Lambeau's Packers in the 1930s; George Halas' Bears in the 1940s; Buddy Parker's Lions and Paul Brown's Browns in the 1950s; Vince Lombardi's Packers in the 1960s; Chuck Knoll's Steelers in the 1970s; Bill Walsh and George Seifert's 49ers in the 1980s; Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer's Cowboys in the 1990s; and Bill Belichick's Patriots in the 2000s and 2010s.
For real
Yeah back to back would be killer
The debate is in
Imagine losing the Super bowl to Mr. Irrelevant. Yikes
😂 he’s a pro bowler and was in mvp talks 80% of the season… who’s also on one of the best rosters probably… ever. He’s not gonna lose but if he DOES it doesn’t take anything away
last pick in the draft....yikes. Mahomes top 10 pick. losing to dead last.@@brandonmonestime7129
He has an amazing HC and all pro weapons everywhere lol
Goodthing that didn't happen
If you need 3 in 5 years, the 80s 49ers aren't a dynasty. That standard is idiotic.
They had a back-to-back, though, which elevates them.
Stephen a smith wearing bullet proof vest? 😂🤣
That the first thing I notice
Mahomes is like madden, throughout the season if you keep winning your guys attributes go up but their overall rating is still the same 🤣🤣
i LOVEE Mina Kimes!!!! I need more of her on first take!!
That’s the only thing that worries me , is the slow starts the 49ers have , u cannot and will not do what u did to the chiefs of u get off to a slow start they will slow the game down and drag the quarters out if they go up and have a comfortable lead
I want to see the 3 happen right now too :D
Question should be like who should be under more pressure.. mahomes or kyle shanahan
They win this one then yes. But as of now they are just a dynasty AFC wise.
Mina needs more first take air time
So for Swagu Dynasty means 3 peat...
Steven a sitting there wondering which way he's going flip or flop.
Swagu wanted to back up SAS and doubled down on his statement but then SAS left him high and dry 😂😂 he had no choice but to die on that hill alone lol
Purdys a solid QB but Campbell allowed his aggression to get personal or the *9ers* would be home. Note I said 9ers. Win or Lose, it’s a team game. Stop making these games 1v1.
if they win this sunday theyre a dynasty n i dont even like them but respect is respect no more debating
9:03 - 9:11
He cold!
Can i ask you a question?
He cold!
Can i ask you a question?
The cold done affected his mind!
😂Stephen A and Shannon crazy bahahaaa😂😂😂😂😂😂
A dynasty is different for each of the 4 major sports but the MINIMUM is 3 with a core group of guys. In NHL, it's a 3-peat (although most would say the 10's Hawks are a dynasty, Go Hawks!) and in the other sports it's generally who also dominated the decade.
In the NFL since the creation of a playoffs (a.k.a. a championship game) in 1933 there's been 9 dynasties with the parenthesis being the number of years with said core players:
1. 1940's Bears (1939-1946) going 4-1 in NFL Championships
2. 1950's Browns (1946-1957) going 3-3 in NFL Championships and 4-0 in the AAFC from 1946-1949
3. 1950's Lions (1952-1957) going 3-1 in NFL Championships
4. 1960's Packers (1960-1967) going 5-1 in NFL Championships including 2-0 in SBs
* Doesn't count but for the AFL the Chiefs won 3 AFL Championships in 8 years and went 1-1 in SBs *
5. 1970's Steelers (1972-1979) went 4-0 in SBs
6. 1980's 49ers (1981-1990 although they had a sorta split between 81-84 core and 87-90 core players with 5 constants) went 4-0 in SBs
* Gibbs' Redskins (1982-1991) went 3-1 in SBs (although they had different starting QBs) *
7. 1990's Cowboys (1991-1996) went 3-0 in SBs
8. 2000's Pats (2001-2008) went 3-1 in SBs
9. 2010's Pats (2010-2018) went 3-2 in SBs
Currently these Chiefs (2018 and on) have gone 2-1 in SBs. they are easily on pace to become the team of the 2020's and the next dynasty.
There have been many "near" dynasties such as Unitas' Colts, 70s Cowboys, 70s-early 80s Raiders, 70s Vikings, 80s Broncos, 90s Bills, 90s Broncos, (90s Packers and 49ers could've if they went to more SBs), 2010s Seahawks, (likewise 2010s Packers if they went to more SBs), 2000s Steelers.
The # is 3. Then moves the goal post.🤣
Guys, 49ers are going to win. Never mind the x's and o's... the 49ers haven't won a Super Bowl in 29 years. They've lost in their last two Super Bowl appearances, they're not about to lose a third straight. Kyle Shanhan is about to get redemption after the 28-3 heartbreak & squandering a 10 point in the Super Bowl vs the Chiefs. They are simply due. Sunday will see them win their sixth Lombardi
Bruh I’m gettin emotional thinkin about it man it’s time
Love this cast man!
Dynasty in football can’t be the same as dynasty in basketball it’s way harder to pull off in football
theres never been a 3 peat super bowl team like the 65 packers won title then won 2 super bowls and thats the only time ever but never 3peat super bowls
Swagu tripping
Did Stephen A steal his clothes from the joker lol
If the Chiefs win this game, Mahomes will cement his position on QB mount Rushmore.
11:52 and the funniest thing is it be the dudes with no super bowls
What Marcus is saying is right about all the dynasties winning 3 out of 4. Jordans bulls, golden state, first patriots run, 90’s cowboys, Yankees, showtime Lakers, Kobe and Shaq lakers, all were dynasties that won 3 out of 4 or 3 in a row. There weren’t 2 winners in between their run. But if Kansas City wins and makes it 3 in 5 then we gotta consider them a dynasty since they did make another sb Aswell
So niners and Steelers ?
@@ryanlebard3787 Steelers won 4 in 6 years I’m sure u can dynasty them. Niners idk. But I literally just said I would consider Kc a dynasty so why wouldn’t u consider niners. But most dynasties win 3 in a 4 year span.
6 Straight AFC Championship games, 4 out of 6 AFC Championship wins, 4 out of 6 season appearances in the Superbowl , 2 Championships with a chance of a 3rd in 6 years. Common Bro. They a dynasty
Brock Purdy is in a lot of pressure, not just because of the narratives too. He does have a better team around him and he has more to work with but that shouldn’t be much pressure for him. He’s in his 2nd year, first one as a full time starter for an entire year. The team may lose a couple pieces but they’ll have chances to run this back.
What puts pressure on him is what he can gain if he wins this ring. If he plays good, not even great, and they win this game, the hate is gonna stop. He could potentially win a Super Bowl MVP, the greatest honor in the history of the sport, and he secure the bag that way. They’re gonna extend his rookie deal but he’s gonna get a massive deal. He’s gonna get more money than guys like Dak and Herbert just by proving he can get the job done with a great team around him. He’s gonna get more money than he can imagine. He’s also going to get ridiculous amount of sponsorship opportunities.
And this one is not about the money but he will have his name written in history. Last pick of the draft wins Super Bowl first full year as a starter, undefeated in playoff games which he was fully healthy. That’s a story nobody following the NFL would forget
How is their pressure on a kid playing his first full season in the NFL... shannon smokin that weeeeddddd
SF will not even get close
When has Stephen A a been right about anything 😑
I'm good with 3 in 5. I think 3 in 6 starts to push it but might be okay.
3 is undeniable and so is back-to-back chips.. Chiefs need this win today to be a dynasty
The only thing that stops Mahomes is not having an Oline to protect him and even then he made plays that gave them chances to be in striking distance against The Brady Bucs
Numerous questions about Brock Purdy... Not a lot of them are based in reality.
Marcus is trippin😭! By his standards the Warriors with Curry aren’t a dynasty😭😂😂😂😂!
As a Cowboys fan, I congratulate Purdy and he deserves MVP of the game even if he manages the game because the greats manage and are poise in these type of games in football. Niners have more to lose here, they could be become the Bills of the past Decade since Coach Harbaugh and Kap left.
I think I loss some brain cells listening to swagu
Brady from 2014-2019 was a dynasty with the patriots that was 3 in 5 years and we call that run dynastic. So 3 in 5 years for the chiefs would also be dynastic in my opinion.
I’m so tired of these “who is under more pressure” type questions… such dumb stuff.
So there’s no dynasties in the NFL ever? Because nobody has ever 3 peated
80s Niners were a dynasty for sure. Different then. Guys stayed on the same team longer. It was the same guys winning those 4.
That's the best video I have watched today!
You got more than them 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Patrick under more pressure, it’s about a level of consistency of winning another championship. Brock is in no pressure, hes is an easy situation this team the 49ers has many good history’s of winning & losing, the chiefs are in more pressure 😢
Does Shannon know that the chiefs played, struggled, and lost to the Lions and Packers this season?
10:49 that’s dumb
Since Holmes stepped on the field against the Broncos 6 years ago
till now,
Some has changed in football
There’s a New King of the Hill
Call it what you want
Stephan A is the new Skip Bayless.
Wow I did not know that Chiefs defense was that young. League might be in more trouble than I thought 😂
Jordan bothers shannon so much...😂
Minna is the other person who isn't meat riding. These dudes act like Mahomes is Thanos. Mahomes is great, but he has been beaten in the sb.
By the 🐐?
He only got beat bcuz his o line sucked
He got beat by the 🐐 QB . My guy
Kansas City Defense is better than San Francisco to me but that’s just eye test
What crazy to me is all the time the Chiefs been to the Super Bowl not one time they had the better team and to get to the AFC championship game 6 straight years and to win 2 Super Bowl how isn't that a Dynasty. I see people don't know how to put things in Perspective because that Dallas Team had the best team in the league and not only that all team that people consider a Dynasty had the best team, but the Chiefs haven't had that and no can dispute that.
😂 You have to win 3 in 4 years to be considered a dynasty.
It’s like the lebron effect, when he was in the east teams feared him despite him having the worse team which is why he continued to go to the finals
@@jasonlejuan975no you don’t 😂
WELP WHOS HERE AFTER THE CHIEFS JUST WON THE SUPERBOWL 58 CHIEF NATION!
There has never been a 3 peat champion in the history of the Super Bowl era
There HAS been a 4-peat Conference Champion though.
Not a dynasty as we think of dynasties today, but … Buffalo DID own their Conference like no team before or since.
Were the Patriots still considered a dynasty throughout the 10 years they went without winning a Super Bowl? There's the answer to the question about the Chiefs.
Shes making a really good point they didnt want to engage with. More is required for Pat Mahomes making the expectations higher. A wise man once said(i'm paraphrasing), pressure is a side effect of expectation. -shannon
Stephen has the Kaido laugh on his chest. That’s all I thought of when they showed him.
Does anyone notice they keep saying 3 in 4 but it is 3 in 5 years? They lost to brady and burrow in between super bowl wins.
Applaud spears' high standards.
But would say 3 in 5 is fine
100% agree. U ain´t no dynasty if you 2-2 in the finals.. To be a Dynasty u have to WIN and DOMINATE during a period. Mahomes needs to win this
if they lose this SB, come back next year and win another, that would be 3 of 6 years. Pats had 3 in 4 (2001-2004) and 3 in 5 (2014-2018). They win this SB, that would be 3 in 5 (2019-2023). If Mahomes' loses this SB, he is 2-2 in the Superbowl, and should probably delay the GOAT convo for a while.
Stephen A looks Ridiculous!!! Who tf is his stylist!?
He swears he dresses the best, he dresses like a comic book villain
A back to back superbowl wins is a dynasty instantly
To beat Mahomes in the playoff, you either have to
1. Annihilate them ala Bucs in Superbowl
2. Outclutch (with some luck) ala Bengals / Patriots in AFC Champ
Without luck, I don't see Brock is able to do #2 ... so Niners must achieve #1 ...
This is a lesson that the nfl draft is a talent killer
Nope, Mahomes is under more pressure.
They call Purdy Mr Irrelevant, a game manager, a QB who takes benefit of his team mates, a QB carried by his elite offensive players. And Mahomes knows about that narratives. And all these so called analysts and experts know that Mahomes know about that. Everybody is expecting Mahomes beating a NOBODY! So what will happen if Mahomes is losing to a Mr Irrelevant?
Are the Miami heat 2011-2014 a dynasty? 2 championships, 1 finals loss, 1 ECF loss
You gotta get atleast 3 in 4 yrs. Dats what lakers, bulls, patriots , and Dallas did and they are the known dynasties.
Chiefs are already a dynasty
Are you legit braindead?
@@mula070no they ain’t. Stop it. There’s plenty of teams which won 2 super bowls in a short span of time like the Broncos and Giants that aren’t considered dynasties. Chiefs need to win tomorrow to cement that dynasty status.
Nfl and nba are different way different
@alexescutia4805 actually they are not when it comes to the known dynasties. Both nba and nfl dynasties won 3 in 4 yr window.
Purdy is really good , but mahomes winning this will be a great milestone for his legacy and milestone
Wish all women in sports media were like Mina Kimes. It’s facts over feelings with her 💯
Steve Young lost 40 to 8 in Philadelphia in 1994, how did that season finish.
The Ravens game is behind him, let it go.
Purdy will shine.
Every SB Brady played in he was under pressure cause the measuring stick was Joe Montana. Mahomes has to win more than he losses. He can’t be 2-2 in the superbowl
Lol this not fair considering he's never had the best team in a super bowl
19 and 22 niners were better, 22 eagles and bucs were better too
@@kalix975he been in the underdog in all super bowls .. and last year and this year was suppose to be down years the man literally has the worse WR core in the league
I say you need at least 3..3 in a 5 year span
When did the definition for this change?
The dynasty is a three-peat.
Period.
If you want to change the definition that's fine You guys do that all the time but don't call it what it's not.
You realize there’s never been. 3 peat in the NFL right ?? So by your logic there’s never been an NFL dynasty?
KC has been to 4 Superbowls and won 2 with a pretty similar team... yeah they're a dynasty. Getting to the Superbowl is way harder than getting to the NBA finals, so winning 3 is a reach imo.
Well your wrong , you still need 3 + chips to become a dynasty in sports
@@stonersimpson_ Well after typing my comment I see that Shannon, who actually won 3 Superbowls, disagrees with that. So Ima put more weight on his opinion than yours.
Chief lose no it's not a dynasty I can't stand Lesean mccoy.