"Blitzkrieg": Stuka & Panzer - DEBUNKED
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The popular view is that the Wehrmacht used a combination of Panzers and Stukas to roll over Poland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, France and later the Soviet Union. Whereas the Panzers were heavily supported by Stukas overwhelming enemy ground forces.
The problem is that the details on how this was actually done are rather scarce. As such, there are various assumptions and misconceptions around, at least I had plenty of them myself before I took a closer look. So, in this video we will take a deeper dive on how Panzers and Stukas actually coordinated their efforts in Poland 1939, France 1940 and the Soviet Union 1941 (Operation Barbarossa).
“Kommandeure der Luftwaffe” (Commanders of the Air Force) - usually called Koluft.
“Flieger Verbindungsoffiziere” (Pilot Liason Officers) - usually called Flivo.
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Corum, James S.: The Luftwaffe's Army Support Doctrine, 1918-1941. In: The Journal of Military History, Vol. 59, No. 1 (Jan., 1995), p. 53-76
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Military History Visualized when do you do a video abbout HS-129 tankbuster?
Damn it I already play!
I get NOTHING! I LOSE! Good DAY Sir!
Sssoooo... you play WT. Which nation - germany?
War Thunder: Drive a tank and just be a target for ground attack. The game is unplayable as an unarmoured ground vehicle now.
Talking about stukas ... " So in this episode we will take a deeper dive ... " Lmao
*Stuka trumpet sounds*
**WeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEE**
oh crap Hanz! You went too far! SHIT, WE WILL HIT THE GOUND-
Missed opportunity to say "we will take a steep dive". 😂😂
"Taking a deeper dive" I see what you did there!
So you're saying.....Stukas kill Panzers?
*You* should know
I saw in one black-white documentary/chronicles where one Luftwaffe aircraft on horizontal low level bombing putted a bomb direct in the open top vehicle in the Poland (?)
Normally, the Stukas were not able to destroy tanks with bombs. Rather, they damage the tanks a bit or it was a psychological effect. At most with a very, very happy hit.
Throughout the war, bombs against tanks were rather useless.
@@nachteulchen5432 *PE-8 Would like to know your location*
@@heinzguderian628 My point of view on PE-8, the aircraft? I have no special knowledge about the PE-8.
8:52 Easter egg: "Panzer Forces Fast and Führious"
I like that you've started incorporating footage from WT. I could imagine situations where the visual models could be used to explain nuances of design or the implementation of specific tactics. Obviously this adds a layer of preparation, but I think it could be well worth it.
So far I am not a fan of slapping video game footage over (or instead of) highlighting the quotes from books. Hopefully the footage will be better incorporated in future videos.
Its like what Military Aviation History does with IL2.
A most informative video! This perception is still widespread and while in general "accurate" IMO, is not accurate enough to be a correct easy generalization. Good to have it covered though, I have learned new things as always.
And I really liked your incorporation of War Thunder footage for representative purposes. That said I noted that I had a hard time focusing on what you were saying during those segments, I was immediately distracted by the footage in a sense. *That said upon a second viewing, I was able to pay attention to both without issue.* So ones mileage may vary but I like what you did.
And congrats to the sponsorship and as I said, a fantastic and informative video.
I agree, it was very distracting.
Do you think you could make a video about the use of Motorcycles in the wars? It seems to be something everyone knows about but nobody knows any details...
All I know that the German motorcycles where Appreantly quite good when you look at the number still around today in Germany. A guy in my town has one and still rides around on it! Since the 90s Appreantly
Interestingly the BMW Krad models used by the Wehrmacht were more expensive than standard cars, so they were not the cheap alternative as is often believed.
@@Segalmed yes but you only need enough ok road for half of what you would need for a car. So that makes sense to me.
And looking at some kosmos magazines from 37 I have laying around you really could get a motorcycle cheap
There were cheap motorcycles (which actually angered the propagandists for the Volkswagen because it was a discincentive to switch). But the formidable BMW Krafträder were very expensive and worth every penny of it. In particular in Russia they were often the only means of communication when every other type of vehicle got stuck. They were not used because they were cheap but because they were so versatile and robust.
*COUGH COUGH*
KETTENKRAD
You should make a video on motorcycle use in the German army. They were used to great effect. For example, each convoy section would have a few motorcycles assigned. One of them would drive behind the convoy, and if a vehicle in the convoy malfunctioned, the motorcyclist would notify a repair truck and the officers. Another motorcyclist would scout ahead of the convoy while looking for any potential obstacles. This had a big impact on the convoy's efficiency. Motorcyclists were also used as couriers along the front. Since the motorcycle could have an optional sidecar, the effectiveness of the unit was greatly increased. The passenger could focus on details during scouting, and is likely to have a mounted machine gun which allowed for harassing tactics. During combat, the motorcyclists engage the enemy before the rest of their forces, and then return back to relay what they encountered in order to give the officers an idea of what to expect. A strategy sometimes used was to shell a town, and then after the shelling the motorcyclists would swarm in within minutes, denying the defenders a chance to even leave the shelters and return to their positions. The motorcycles were sturdy, reliable, and in case of a malfunction the driver and the passenger were trained and equipped to fix it.
Oh yes. As a russian who grew up watching war movies - the wehrmacht motorcyclists are iconic. Every movie had them. Would like in depth history.
Also bicycles in Japanese army!
Any chance of a video on the differences between WW2 and modern tank doctrines?
Or in other words where and what they improved after the war.
it's actually really simple, the faster you are the better are your chances of victory
Will you ever make a video on the Qing-Russian border skirmishes and bandit raids? It’s a very interesting topic that few have covered in video format, much to my dismay.
maybe on my second channel, but since "obscure" topics get almost no views, yet require far more research and expensive books on top of that, extremely unlikely. czcams.com/users/MilitaryHistoryVlogs
It's kind of a shame this topic gets almost no interest, yet is key to some of the biggest geopolitical trends in our modern world. The wars between Qing China and Imperial Russia continues to plague Sino-Russian relations today, and is a key reason why these two states -- despite their mutual interests in Central Asia security and a shared enemy in the US -- cannot form an effective alliance.
There is allready such a video: czcams.com/video/bNUq7IUU300/video.html
Russia is disgusting
Another great video! It's very cool that you cited the works of Dr. Williamson Murray in this video. He was one of my professors at Ohio State when I was pursuing my undergraduate history degree. I took his WWII and European Warfare II courses.
MHV, I love the content of your videos, but I also love the tone. The infographics for 'Air Commanders often not up-to-date' and 'Fast and Furhious' have me chuckling, and that little lightening of the mood is delightful. And it does that without you dropping your authoritative tone voice.
I think it is the perfect mix.
Wow this is epic, Alexa can we invade Poland?
Ja mein Kommandant.
What are you talking about? Don't you mean our Holiday in Poland ;)
XnXTNT the Wehrmacht is taking a vacation to Russia next?
@@merrickburkett2469 No to France next for Tour De France.
XnXTNT ah yes, and I suspect we might also stop in for a while in North Africa after we nick it from the French?
This was great. Very clear and straightforward. The sourcing and images on screen were also very supportive of the argument you were making.
I love your icons / graphics! Always great
Interesting that the change in how we perceive the effectiveness of Stuka attacks exactly mirrors how the Allied Close Air Support was perceived a few years later in the war. Both went from stories about how Stuka's / Typhoons were totally deadly to individual tanks to the insight that they were far more deadly to morale, initiative and tactical mobility.
Note that this video only covers ww2 until 1941. Stukas later became deadly against individual tanks, when the Stuka G model was equipped with twin 37mm cannons.
I think "Clarified" is a better word than "Debunked". All the armed forces in WW2 had problems with CAS and resolved them with varying levels of success. During the Cobra breakout in Normandy 3rd Army units came under repeated attacks by friendly forces as they penetrated deep into German rear areas. One of the reasons Montgomery gave for refusing to alter the army boundries and thus speeding up the closing of the Falaise Gap was fear of "blue on blue" both on the ground AND from the air. Especially as British units had RAF CAS and American AAF CAS. Even with all the precautions it still happened; mis-read maps, units mis-identifying their own positions, pilot errors in navigation, all contributed. Clearly, CAS for advancing ground elements is by far the most difficult. Still again is the almost pathological resistance of fighter/fighter bomber pilots to engage in it, It's close in dangerous work when most would vastly prefer to be pitting their skills against opposing pilots. Here the Luftwaffe had somewhat of an institutional advantage as it's primary role was seen as one of supporting the army. American and British pilots saw that as a secondary role. While the Ju-87 was technically obsolete for much of the war; it was purpose built for immediate highly accurate interdiction. Later tank busting variants made it a deadly threat on the Eastern Front where Soviet air density was less by an order of magnitude than Allied AF in the west. Despite using the P-47 and Typhoons in "ground attack" squadrons, neither were ever truly satisfactory. US and British surveys after the battle of the Falaise pocket revealed allied pilot claims against German armor were wildly exaggerated. The only thing they killed in large numbers were German horses who proved far more vulnerable to rocket firing Allied "fighter bombers" than German tanks; for obvious reasons. Later during Operation Market-Garden CAS was simply unavailable except for the lead units in British 30 Corps. The American Airborne units had not been provided with British liason officers and the failure of radio communication with the British 6th Abn Div at Arnhem is well documented.
Currently, USAF operating against poorly equipped indigenous forces in the Middle East and Afghanistan has developed systems of awesome, pin point accuracy. Yet (and here I speak from personal experience) the most popular CAS aircraft among ground troops is the A-10 Warthog. Here is an aircraft purpose built for close support that fufills it's role perfectly. The USAF however didn't want it and has been trying to kill it off almost from the moment it appeared. Instead they insist on using 100 million dollar F-35s when the A-10 does the job for 1/5 the cost and is far better at it. This is the unfortunate result of the "Key West" agreement when the USAF became a seperate service that ALL fixed wing aircraft other than small artillery spotters and tactical air transport would be airforce; no exceptions. For a time in the late 90s their was talk of amending the agreement specifically to transfer the A-10 lock, stock. and barrel to the US Army; but in the end nothing came of it. Which is why to this day the USAF "claims" everything it flies is CAS capable, yet risking 100 million dollar 5th gen fighters to a "golden BB" seems the height of folly. Then again, how well these systems might function against a near peer in a high threat environment remains to be seen. Still another great video. Kudos as always.
The exaggeration of kills by CAS pilots is something universal; German pilots, yes, even in the 37mm cannon-armed JU87G often exaggerated their kills to the point that they claimed to destroy more enemy vehicles than existed in the sector.
No side ever built a plane that was effective in the precision attack needed to kill a hard target, and all CAS forces excelled in the destruction of soft targets like trucks and horses; much more important and practical targets than tanks.
@@roberthansen5727 That is very true. By all Allied reports over 13,000 Tigers were destroyed when just a little over 1300 were produced most lost to mechanical failure or lack of fuel.
@@rudymalmgren3658 That also ties into the over-reporting of Tigers by Allied soldiers. While Tigers weren't particularly important in practice, you constantly have soldiers reporting that they're under attack by Tigers and 88mm guns - which obviously can't be true.
My family fought on both sides of the war during WW2. My uncle that fought on the Britixh side would often mention the psychological effect on him and his mates....the screaming of the Stuka air sirens was damning and terrifying. He also complaindd how the Stukas kept wiping out their supplies with direct attcks and cutting off bridges, etc...lol....He only had great respect and fear for the German Stukas and panzers. He served at/in Dunkirk, Africa, Italy and France (D-Day).....all the way to Germany.
The link is greatly appreciated, Kamerad.
Excellent video as always, I love it when I have my preconceptions changed!
Well done video, personal had most of this information already. Decades ago read the book on Rudel and searched for years after to find other first hand experiences on how the war was actually fought.
Very informative and interesting. Who creates all the little icons you use in your videos? They are very well done.
Haven't watched the video but I already know it'll be great.
oh my goodness, thank you for that screenshot!
I was kinda depressed about my 800 hours of pubg, thinking of all the stuff i couldve done.. and then your count - really calmed me down (:
Poland wasn't invaded by Germany alone, but by Germany, and their allies, the USSR and Slovakia.
Fair but Slovakia was mostly a German puppet and the Soviets delayed their attack significantly, much to Germany’s annoyance
Excellent video. It compliments Bismarck’s video on the principles and effectiveness of air/ground cooperation. The biggest impact was on the opposition morale. A question did the Henschel 129, have any impact better than the JU87 and why were they not used in Normandy, on the principle of temporary overwhelming a specific area. The Luftwaffe did achieve it occasionally because of the occasional numbers of Typhoons and Thunderbolts lost.
Wow! The War Thunder graphics add a completely different feeling about the video. They are great.
Congrats on your sponsorship !!
Thank you!
Sponsored by war thunder. Dayum. The best sponsorship you could have. They gotta put that is7 and is6 money somewhere
Still not a WoT
@Rong Man - That's like evaluating a T-34 saying "Still not a T-26".
*Amazing vid. thanks for letting us know!!!*
any possibility of you using more War Thunder shots in your videos? they accompany the dialogue beautifully, especially the Stukas
That reference with stuka by war thunder animation was cool
Finally someone sponserd by a good game wich the youtuber actually likes! getting sick of nice channels such as The great war etc getting sponserd by mediocre browser games with annoying business models
I rejected a large number of sponsorships, something that was only viable due to my patreons.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized why did/do you reject sponsors? Is it because their product/service is ass or something else maybe?
I suppose the later stuka variants with 20mm and 37mm guns came after the "blitzkrieg" phase, but it would've been nice to hear of their operations against light and medium tanks. IIRC even the 20mm guns were sometimes used to pierce the top armor of various tanks.
I'd say the most impact the Stuka had on the enemy during the early campaigns and even later on during the war was that the enemy had to take up to 500kg bombs on his ass or at least on close proximity.. And during 1939-41 the enemy was not capable of returining the favour.. Even if direct hits were not scored the sheere concussion and blast of such ordnance left the enemy dazed and confused.. The same effect as the Allies bombarded the Germans with heavy naval artillery in Normandie. I've read a description of an aerial attack made by Fliegerkommando Kuhlmey in Finland during the Soviet summer offensive in 1944 against Soviet armour attack readyness positions.. "The entire assembly area was a scene of havoc.. 500kg bombs had tossled T34/85 tanks and SU-152 assault guns upside down or thrown them around the forest like toys.. The scene was covered with piles of fallen down and splintered full size tree trunks and all the fuel in the vicinity was a blaze.."
I think it just goes to show the difficulty of combined arms tactics and how this was in the early stages of conceptualization, and utilization in WWII.
It's interesting to compare the Luftwaffe's report about CAS effectiveness against the French in 1940 to that of the US & RAF attacks on the Germans in Normandy, 1944. In the latter case, the German also reported few tanks lost to aircraft. However devastation to soft skin support vehicles and infantry was comperablely high, as well as demoralizing to troops. This appears quite similar to the Luftwaffe's effect on French armor units in 1940.
That was excellent information.
Panzer Forces Fast & FÜHRious haha :D
8:45, "Fast and Fuhrious"...hilarious... ;>)
it is also available as a Mug with a Panzer :) here: www.redbubble.com/people/mhvis/works/27897242-the-fast-and-the-f-hrious-ii-military-history-visualized?p=mug&style=standard
Oh no! now he's debunking my blitzkrieg!
Can you do a follow up video on why a CAS was significantly more effective during the Vietnam war
Excellent video! My only remaining question is what was the ground to air coordination like in the North Africa campaign? Differences and similarities to the Eastern Front, etc.
You should make an episode about the uses of v-1 and v-2 rockets in a tactical warfare role rather than a strategic one. (Idk if this even took place but it should be an interesting video nonetheless)
makes absolutely no sense, since those rockets were so inaccurate that the area was at least on the "operational scale".
The warthunder video footage really added to the video, turn up your visual settings though lol.
Artillery only!
The Ha137 would have been an interesting alternative to the JU87. It was more nimble and needed less top cover, and had a heavier armament of two 20mm cannon.
Great video! One complaint: the War Thunder clips you used were somewhat distracting because of the view that changed every second or so. I recommend that you use a similar tactic to what is done for IL-2: 1946-- One constant video as opposed to 5 rapid-fire action-packed clips.
Stuka pilots said they were ungainly aircraft at times, requiring great physical strength. If the Jericho sirens were turned on, the noise in the aircraft was deafening.
I think it would be a cool video idea when you follow this here up with a comparison to the modern world.
like how CAS was used in vietnam or today.
What is the minimum height and maximum height from which the bombs were actually dropped?
I like the Fokker Triplane at 5:00...
Deeper dive
Dive
Get it?
Brrrrrrrrrrrrr!
That joke went as poorly as operation Citadel.
@@jamestang1227 but went deeper than Operation Barbarossa
Have you considered making a video on the military situation of India, doctrine, and future plans as of 2018?
No
8:22 The Stukas with the cannons did not come out until the late war, like around '43. The thing that always irritates me about IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 is that you can't seem to destroy a target when you drop a bomb right next to it or within a few meters/feet of it. I dropped a bomb by a transport ship and it had no effect on the target. The resulting explosion was disappointing and it did absolutely no damage to the ship, even though in real life, it would pretty much destroy the target. In the Men of War series, if a Stuka drops a bomb close to the tank that is being attacked, it usually destroys it. However, in IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, the resulting bomb explosions are rather canned and it's throwing marshmallows at the tank. The explosions cause no real damage to the tanks or any other targets.
1:29 Didn't they use the Henschel Hs 123 in Spain as a ground attack aircraft? Did the Luftwaffe come to any conclusions as a consequence of their use?
The soviets be like: "STUKA BLYAT!"
Awesome video
Love the game scene.
Can we get an artillery only video?
A video on the east wall?
Ohh the memories... you know how many times I was asked if it was safe or not? I always said I had no clue, but it was going to be fun anyway.
On another note, A-10 CAS in the recent Middle East campaigns fully support the suprise box icon.
Great video as always, and good to know that War Thunder is now sponsoring you, it' by far the best game around for those who like military history and WW2 machinery.
Taking a deep dive...nice pun there good sir :)
:)
Do artillery only at 400,00 subscribers.
WHY ARE YOU HERE
Deeper dive 😁
When Rainbow Dash popped up at around 13:25 I just about died laughing. So much thank you for that.
3:45 "Präcision" värry gut Inglisch! ;)
I would really like to know more about the French air force (and about the French army in general). Here in France, one of the things we hear and have heard the most from the veterans of 1940 is that they never saw one single french plane in the entire war
Were the "identification devices" on the panzers limited to visual signs like flags and symbols? Couldn't ground forces designate targets with smoke?
Smoke was use to identify friendly forces usually. As for enemy I don't think so. Bismark talks about this subject in his invasion of Sicily video.
The Stuka is my favourite plane of WW2. You'd need balls of hardened steel to be the rear gunner when that thing was coming in for a dive.
Wasn't there widespread use of captured Czech tanks by the Germans in the early stages of the war.
I remember reading it somewhere but I'm not sure.
In Finland, Kuhlmey`s Focke-Wulf and Stuka (55 plane, lost 22) were fight during a major battle in 1944, helping to stop Red Army. There were about 200 tanks and 150 planes destroyed and many more by them. It solved the battle and stopped the attack. Finnish air force was good, but Kuhlmey`s was on upper level. In few weeks they destroy all this amount enemies.
Offcourse, even the werchmact created the first versions of what is currently known in the US airforce as "Tactical Air Control Party " or TACPs
Can you please make a video about czechoslovakia opposing munich, I would like to see the numbers and hear your opinion on this topic. If there was possibility for czechoslovakia to defend it self, or at least hurt gemany so much that allies would be eager to take an action.
After Austria was annexed the chances of Czechoslovakia surviving a German attack without help was not high. Their frontier defenses in the Sudetenland were already outflanked and the Slovak part of the country was already not happy with being part of the country. Czechoslovakia was another post WWI mongrel country where people with no common loyalties were combined. (see Yugoslavia) Also when the Germans occupied the remainder of the country after Munich the Poles were happy to grab a piece, too.
_jericho trumpets getting louder_
You could setup a discord channel should you want to set up custom battles in War Thunder for background footage - I'd join
I already have the game, can I get premium and a tank or plane already with an account? I mostly want the extra premium points. I haven't even gotten to a jet.
2:59 Cadorna spins in his grave.
Interesting. When they had the numbers to take advantage of good coordination, the communications technology and utilization (doctrine) wasn't capable of it. When the tech and utilization caught up, the numbers were no longer there to take advantage of it. Nicely presented.
I think they had the ability to make some devastating bombardments on the eastern front as the 'Soviet storm' documentary mentions. Luftwaffe bombed Sevastopol in 1942 with more air raids than what they did against England during the entire battle of Britain, if I remember correctly.
The failure was that Luftwaffe was never big enough to deal with the gigantic Eastern front, even if it managed to destroy the red air force the first days of the war.
And even without the losses in the battle of Britain would the Luftwaffe still be way too small for the task at hand. It simply couldn't behave like it had been doing in the battlefields in the west. There was simply too many targets and too few planes and too few bombs to be able to attack them all. So the Luftwaffe had to make sharper priorities in the east to only attack the most important targets, and all other tempting targets had to be let go off.
I was impressed in reading that the Americans had pilots in the lead tanks during the Falais Pocket operation to communicate for CAS, but now I "Heer" that the Germans did the same in 1941!?! We must have lifted that move from their playbook, no?
There's an interesting parallel between the 'Stuka myth' and the overstated effectiveness of Allied Tactical Air Forces in North Western Europe in 1944-45: the 'Jabo Myth' perhaps? Both with their principal effectiveness on morale rather than 'kills'...?
you a fighter pilot, CAS or tanker?
The Stuka became obsolete by 1943 and was outclassed by the Ilyushin IL-2 Sturmovik, also known as the "flying tank" because of its durability.
I really like your channel, very informative and eye-opening. Could you address the use of German aircraft to "herd" civilians onto roads in order to clog them, thus slowing the movement of opposing forces? I have heard this story from a few different sources, but was that really the objective, or just a secondary effect of bombing towns?
Never heard of that, what are your sources?
Refugees is a regular thing, no need for an air force for that.
The one source I recall was one of the Frank Capra "Why We Fight" documentaries (the fall of France segement), complete with animated visuals. I believe Walt Disney had a hand in those docs, being hired to do the animated portions. I know those were severely slanted tho. Made for Allied propaganda during the war. The other was a documentary on the Invasion of France, tho I cant remember the title. But I saw it within the last few years. Its possible they were just parroting the Capra doc. These sorts of stories make the rounds you know. But there were instances when the French Army had trouble getting to the front because the roads were full of fleeing civilians. Maybe its one of those myths that spring out of a grain of truth?
morale present in Company of Heroes 2. i've won matches where the opponent had far greater advantage than me, but i kept pressuring them and hitting them at all angles with my much smaller army. after overwhelming them they surrender.
So, bombardment from artillery & bombers. Then move using fire & moment, flank the enemy & occupy the enemy position.
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Très bonne explication
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Excellent video very interesting for me
Good explanation
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The role of Stukas in Spain has been a hot topic for a few months, even getting some media atention. Basically it has been argued by some historians that they were involved in a secret experiment involving non military targets. It has also been proposed that they simply were operations to disrupt the enemy's supply lines and that this experiment theory is just a political move, which is probably true.
If only War Thunder would get the armor penetration power of AP shells right.
Soviet shells are severely overperforming in penetration against thick flat armor.
AP shells in general are underperforming against high obliquity armor and then theres the unrealistic damage effect of APHE shells.
All things combined makes for some really stupid matches where Centurion Mk IIIs fight alongside Tiger II Hs and rated inferior than a Panther II with an 88mm gun and T-54s fight on the same rating as M48s which they shouldn't even be able to penetrate unless with their improved BR-412D APCBC shell.
Instead of making the game more realistic they just add more and more vehicles which makes it more and more harder to change anything without completely screwing over the match making and gameplay.
"Panzer Forces Fast and Führious"
Very accurate.
Oh.
0:49 I saw what you did there
I'm just waiting on War Thunder to add in Infantry roles and I'd have the perfect Second Thirty Years War game.
How effective was the Stuka as a tank killer?
Do you still play WT?
I saw in one black-white documentary/chronicles where one Luftwaffe aircraft on horizontal low level bombing putted a bomb direct in the open top vehicle in the (?)Poland.
Now MHV is actually *visual*ized. :P
But good video nonetheless. Even I used to think that the Stukas closely supported the Panzer divisions.
Hey have you heard about the artillery only meme? How do you think a real battle fought only with artilley guns would be? Has this ever happened in real life?
Ben Denis Basically the Western Front of WW1