The problem is that those studies may well have lowered carbs but they were *not* low carb which is 25 grams or less. Another problem is that kerogen is diets are *not* high protein because as every high schooler knows excess protein is turned into glucose. High blood glucose is anathema to ketosis. You vegetarians are debunking a diet that keto people are not eating. Not good for your credibility.
I did WFPB years ago but I missed meat too much and after a few weeks I went back. Now several years later I am diabetic with high blood pressure. I did keto for awhile and lost a little weight and I did control my blood sugar. But not only was I still diabetic with high blood pressure, my cholesterol went from averaging 160 up to 239. I am now back to a WFPB diet, three weeks, and my blood sugar has been great. I can eat fruits and vegetables without my blood sugar spiking to over 200 for hours as it always did on keto. I had to stop taking my HBP medication because before with medication I was always 140/90 on average, and after one week on WFPB I kept getting very dizzy all the time. I checked my blood pressure and it was 70/45. After I stopped the meds it has come up to 116/65 consistently and I feel much better. I go back for a followup on my diabetes at the end of August. I look forward to my visit because my fasting sugar every morning for the last week has been 90-93. I know by August it will be better. I will also get my cholesterol checked and I am sure it will be greatly improved.
Congratulations! Although I have only been at this a year, I eventually lost the animal products cravings. I knew how to get in and remain in ketosis but it was never appealing. I choose to follow how my grandmother managed to live to her late 80s and how she managed my grandfather's early onset heart disease so that he lived to age 93! My husband is no longer in heart failure. You can do this. It is a great journey when you are healthy!
Nod Amob I do the best I can for today. When my husband brings me a fountain drink like a Barqs rootbeer with Sonic ice, I enjoy it. Do your best. The longer you are away from triggers and cravings, the less you will crave. I promise. Love and Light
I was vegetarian for 21 years. Despite exercising every single day I was slowly gaining weight each year. Moving to a wfpb diet last year I’ve dropped 15kg and have abs again at the age of 42! Sadly when people ask me how and I tell them they say “I couldn’t do that” doesn’t seem to matter how yummy my food is either. Some people just don’t care and would rather die early with their head in the sand. ☹️
I achieved the same results by going for a pound of quark every day, which gives me a level of satiation without the feeling of fullness that I've never experienced before. The rest of my diet has very little restrictions (lots of chocolate and pizza/pasta in there as well), I just make sure that I get my antioxidants, vitamins and minerals. Did I mention that it's a lot cheaper than any vegan diet ever could be?
Well done you! I am early in my WFPBNO journey, but have been dairy and red meat free for years. I am finding the food delicious and I am never hungry after eating. My weight is dropping steadily. You are right, my brother, who died of cancer in his early 50's said that he'd rather be dead than miss out on the food he enjoyed. I guess he got his wish :'(
Martin Wright, you were vegetarian but not solely plant base...I take it you were still eating milk, eggs, cheese and perhaps mayonnaise and cooking with oil..? If that is the case, then look no further!
No. I also don't see how good advice can constitute a bad joke. Honestly, if you want to lose weight without feeling low in energy, having hunger or spend your days exercising and preparing meals, just make sure you get your minerals, vitamins (a basic multivitamin will do for these two, but real food should do fine if you know what you're doing), antioxidants (75% chocolate ftw, also decreases hunger and has slight anabolic properties) and your omega-3s (for me that's part flaxseed, part grass-fed milk, part fish), and then add lots of casein (about 60-70g per day will do fine). Beyond that, I consume anything I want - pizza, beer, pasta, whatever - I just try to limit sugar intake to an average of 50g a day. One major aspect of nutrition - that vegans don't get imho - is that it is about getting all the important stuff in rather than keeping unhealthy stuff out. That's the reason why the health of many vegans flourishes, at least at first, because it is the first time in their life that their body isn't deprived of vitamins. We cannot keep all carcinogenic substances out of our body either way, it is much more important to give our body the substances to keep that in check - turmeric, mustard, chili, weed and antioxidants in general are quite important here.
Good post! I am 81 and haven't eaten meat for 40 years. Low cholesterol, low BMI, No medications and my doctor told me I am Physically younger than 65.
I've just finished reading Dr Neil Barnards latest book, it was so interesting, and now, for the first time ever I'm eating for my health instead of my waistline. Great vid PBN, thanks Klause ✌️
I've been eating keto for over a year and only eat one meal a day. I'm 50 pounds lighter and easily maintaining my high school weight of 167 at 77. I have never felt better but I also eat about a pound of high fibre vegetables a day (zucchini broccoli and the like) and have .5 ketones 2,4, or 6 hours after I eat and 1 ketone in the period leading up to eating my one meal. My digestion is the happiest it has been since childhood. So I have foot in both camps and don't believe that it is either keto or plant based. I think it may vay a lot with individual metabolism. What I am pretty sure about is that you are not going to sell me on going back to eating grains and certainly not actual sugar. 75 years is enough.
1 it's not high protein 2 it's not meat based 3 most of the recommended fat comes from plant sources 4 wtf is wrong with people who spout blatant bs to try to scare people away from something that could enhance quality of life and longevity
When I did keto, all the blogs recommended bacon, cheeses, eggs, and animal fats, with above ground vegetables. They unnecessarily demonized healthy whole foods like potatoes and fruits in place of these potentially unhealthy food sources. If you are getting a lot of fats from plant sources, that's great and potentially a better way to do this diet. However, this is not the mainstream opinion when it comes to keto. People like the idea of eating bacon and losing weight. Simple as that.
@@RawrPokemonRawrpeople are uneducated as to how they can eat healthy, and people avoid eating what they don't know about. I personally eat way less on keto then I ever did on a wholly plant based diet.
@@sokratismethod1778 I agree with this, but that applies to any diet. Keto is meant to suppress your appetite so I am not surprised that you eat less now than on a wfpb diet. My comment was regarding the statement that keto is about eating mostly high fat plant sources vs animal sources which is not the mainstream advice for keto.
@@RawrPokemonRawr Ok. Fair enough. Most of the fat I eat comes from plant based sources. I do nutritional ketodiet, which involves a great amount of cruciferous vegetables, seeds, nut, basically its a cleaned up paleo diet. Its not made to suppress hunger, its designed to balance insulin and get the body to use fat as a main source of fuel instead of glycogen by minimizing carb-intake, and avoid glyconeogenisis by applying a moderate protein intake. That hunger is suppressed is a byproduct. It balances much of the hormonal system, especially when combined with intermittent fasting. Im sure you already know all of this though. Never the less, its interesting that people have gotten stuck on it being for weight-loss. Id say weight-loss is a symptom of a hormonal system getting balanced. That being said, Im not proponent to eating bacon and cheese all the time, although I enjoy that I can if I want to without thinking that it would be bad for me(given that its good bacon and cheese)
I’m on a ketogenic diet with intermittent fasting and my A1C dropped from 11.5 to 5.4 I’m now in the “non-diabetic” range! Feel fantastic! Inflammation gone, tons of energy, and glowing skin! Keto is DEFINITELY the way to go!
Thanks for the video. Vegan here, but please be accurate, keto is not high protein. Just saying we need to be accurate so that everything we say can be trusted.
I agree: the keto diet is not high protein. It is EXTREMELY high protein. At least, what is considered the “regular” keto diet, which is the only one I know about. All that meat… 🤮 My two roommates have been on it, carefully followed all the recommendations so I saw their crazy amounts of high protein foods.
@@awesomelife3710 that's not a "regular" keto, that's a failed keto. Too much protein will literally stop ketosis thanks to resulting blood glucose spikes
I went vegetarian 44 years ago for the sake of the animals forced to breed and killed. I went vegan in 2001. I'm turning 72 next month. Plant power rules!
My mother is 82 years old with diabetes and cardiovascular disease and a pacemaker. She has the full support of her entire medical team to go on a ketogenic diet. She thinks breakfast is eggs, bacon and avocados with coffee loaded with butter, cream and MCT oil. Not one doctor has had any concern whatsoever about this idea. It's totally flummoxing.
Non alcoholic fatty liver comes from consuming too much fructose. Fructose is the sugar found in all fruit and when you eat too much of it, the liver stores it as fat.
In most of those studies, the title was high animal protein diet, there wasn't any mention of high fat or ketogenic diet? Not a single study abstract or introduction mentioned that vegan diet was compared to healthy ketogenic diet. In those studies you mentioned that the control group was told to eat more animal/dairy based food, but was that a ketogenic diet? or just their normal diet with more animal based food? All those studies were so missleading, you compared healthy plant based diet to totally non healthy diet. I WANT TO SEE THE STUDY IN WHICH THEY COMPARED HEALTHY PLANT BASED DIET TO HEALTHY KETOGENIC DIET. I MEAN HEALTHY KETOGENIC DIET, NOT THE DIET IN WHICH THE KETOGENIC GROUP IS GIVEN FOODS WITH LOTS ON SOY OILS, 50% PROTIENS 30% CARBS AND 20% FAT. I WANT TO SEE A STUDY IN WHICH THEY COMPARED HEALTHY PLANT BASED DIET TO HEALTHY KETOGENIC DIET. and till then stop showing such studied which compared healthy vegan diet to non healthy diet. I know whole plant based vegan diet is healthy, but it does't mean that healthy ketogenic diet is totally unhealthy and bad. And next time when you show ketogenic diet studies also show in detail what were they really given to eat as a healthy ketogenic diet.
If there is no long term keto studies, then how these doctors are saying that keto gives short term advantages and long term keto is bad, Aren't these doctors making improper statements? Showing studies of vegan diet vs non healthy diet, when the Title of the video is regarding ketogenic diet. Show studies where they compared whole plant based diet vs healthy ketogenic diet and then make such statements.
People report weight loss and improved biomarkers (N=1) I was a Keto eater. There are plenty of control clinical trials showing that fats (in particular animal fats) cause plaque to build up in arteries. Low carb/keto proponents claim that there is no evidence for this, its all an Ancel Keys conspiracy, it is just not true. There is plenty of modern non industry funded studies showing how the mechanism of the disease works.
Poison Ivy Just keep your insulin levels low (but not too low) as long as you can and LDL is lesser risk factor in general. (Mostly veggies based) lF/OMAD LCHF Keto is one way to achieve good insulin resistance and prolonged state of low insulin levels. OMAD is quite a hard in pure vegan diet, as of I have understood it.
This is insane, for every diet in the world there are tons of people praising it. Everyone has arguments that I can't filter because of lack of medical knowledge.
If it helps at all, here's a scientific article that discusses the pros and cons of keto: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915019315898?casa_token=0qs9dwMkIDoAAAAA:Sqi6Ck5okFokNPDkmc51fCaJzv8EGz8irvaFTCK6xmle42ALb6ghdSCDHP0cvdtvdj78YPiWp1M It also compares it with a plant based diet at some points.
Exactly! And also all the different diets have medical experts that promote the diet as well as people that have real actual results from the diet! Furthermore, there are many people doing Keto with proper anecdotal stories that have eliminated both Type II diabetes as well as cancer. So now, what? I started Keto about 3 months ago. I am a pescatarian that simply introduced the Keto style. My blood pressure used to be a bit high and is now 100% normal. Dropped weight by about 12 kg. Also do IF Daily (IF 16-8 or 20-4) very comfortably. I am 62 years old, and my weight is now roughly what it was in my early twenties. My cardio fitness is at an all-time high with a heart rate of 49 bpm. Average bpm was 54 3 months ago. Dog walking, cycling, dancercise, Strength training are all regular parts of my training. Why should I switch to this recommended diet? I really would if I can be convinced. All very confusing!
@@themartian7121 Here's an earth scientist asking the same question and looking through tons of evidence for us to make our decision: czcams.com/video/1sfwiqcfiVI/video.html The video starts at 5:30
@@themartian7121 science shows keto is good for weight loss. And your positive results are very likely from 12kg weight loss. After 1 year keto diet does not perform well re health. I recommend your eat what us apes are evolved to eat. Mostly plants.
So true. Im positive to the plant based diets out there but im so tierd of hearing people say that keto is a dangerous lowcarp high protein diet. Eating to much protein pn a keto diet can actually kick you out of ketosis. Both diets can be extremly good for you and both diets can be bad for you depending on how you follow them. Eating wrong and bad fats on keto diet can be bad for you, eating to much sugar and carbs in different forms can be bad for you in a plant based diet. Depending on you goals and health issues you musr consider how to follow these diets. And not forget that whats actually really bad is the mix of fats and carbs at the same time, the only time its good is if its naturally included in that specific food like avocado
@@Baddo128 I agree that carbs and fats together are bad for you and much of what you said. but I don't think a long term plant based diet is ever good for anyone short term almost anything can be good.
@@user-dx5bn4yk4f Lol these vegans think we are eating meat actually not iam not eating meat at all i eat diary in small amounts but mostly healthy fats like nuts seeds olives coconut and all kinds of vegetables
I started keto in hopes of getting better energy levels and clearing acne and dandruff, as well as all of the other promised benefits in between. No luck with that. These things didn’t improve until I cut the cord on meat and dairy and went 100% vegan. Staying thin is effortless now so long as I’m not eating flour and added sugar, not to mention that I can feed myself for pennies a day and still consume a wide variety of nutrients. You just have to see what works for you personally
Awesome! And let's not forgot the WHO (World Health Organization) study that concluded processed meats are Group 1 carcinogens, putting them in the same risk category as cigarettes. I've convinced several people to reduce or eliminate meat by showing them that study alone.
bEegIn ThE VEeGaN don’t fall for that BS. There is more waste land being poisoned by pesticides and herbicides than beef could possibly use. Fake news. Stop believing everything you are told.
Judy Rowland There are thousands of studies on the negatives of meat consumption, and I guarantee you won't find the same results in studies on Fruits, Vegetables, Whole Grains, legumes etc, and in fact you will find the complete opposite and many beneficial outcomes to human health. Both factory farmed and GRASS FED meat contain the same componants that have been well studied and are known to be harmful to humans, so grass fed meat may well be healthier than factory farmed, but both are still terrible for health and its really a case if you would rather be shot or hung. Meat and especially red meat (even grass fed) contain heterocyclic amines, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, N-nitroso compounds, heme iron, saturated fat, cholesterol, as well as high levels of methionine, carnitine, protein, and meat consumption significantly increases IGF-1 and TMAO production in the human body. There is a reason the WHO has red meat and processed meat on their human carcinogen lists. They don't form these lists because there 'might' be a risk of being harmful, they form these list based on MECHANISTIC (cause and effect) evidence, and both mechanistic and epidemiological data is overwhelming. Dietary food groups and all cause mortality. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28446499/ Effect of red meat on total, cardiovascular and cancer mortality. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26143683/ Critical review of meta analyses of meat and cancer risk. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26633248/ Association of diet and IGF-1 concentrations in men. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15883443/ Methionine restriction and life span. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5008916/ Saturated Fatty Acids and cardiovascular disease. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5492032/ IGF-1 and cancer www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614012/ Summary of nearly 240 studies of diet and cancer, and based on that evidence, the recommended diet to avoid cancer. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC526387/
Thank you so much for all the work you do. Additionally I really appreciate you guys including the list to the studies in the description (just like you always do!). 🌱🐾👌
Thank you thank you thank you for publishing these videos. I'm vegan and trying to help educate my aging parents on the benefits of plant based. These videos with scientific and study based information really helps . 🙏🏽🙌🏼
I got read of.. Fibromialgia, IBS, Cronic fatig, brain fog in 3 weeks of Keto diet... So people, get you facts straight, I was following your super diet and it was killing me... bring in the fats and feed your brain and body!!!
It is amazing that doctors (doctors !!) recommend eating more meat and dairy products! There has been a setback in medicine because for 30 years all doctors have recommended patients with heart problems, diabetes etc. to eat LESS products of animal origin. I do not know in the US, but here in Brazil it is a tradition that when we visit someone in the hospital, we take fruits to give to that person, because they symbolize healthy eating. I raise a question here: would not large laboratories be interested in an increase in consumption of their medicines? And knowing that these great laboratories totally control the curricula of medical schools, would not they be behind this huge setback in the dietary recommendations made by doctors?
Are you aware that for tens of thousands of years, humans lived MOSTLY on saturated fats? It's the last 200 years that's been filled with carbohydrates. Insulin resistance is a modern problem. Literally nobody had diabates in ancient Greece. Why do you think humans evolved an entirely different digestion the last 200 years, just when the agricultural boom happened along with globalization of easy carbs?
High fat is not good...even if from plants. Your insulin sensitivity is not good under a fat full diet...even plant based...why not do the heart healthy whole food plant based diet?
@@trishstauble3461 All of my blood test data is excellent. Avoid high carbs is the best way I have found. I walk two hours a day and I am slim. No fat. Keto works
Have you checked your levels again? Some people can initially get better results on keto because they are in a calorie deficit, but when that levels out, those cholesterol levels tend to rise back up.
Interesting. Ive never felt better in my body then on a nutritional ketogenic diet. I eat less meat then I ever did before, plants that are chosen with much more care then I did when I was on a vegan, or vegetarian diet. I have little to no inflammation in my body and I have more energy throughout the day. Im not calling bs on a wfpb-diet, Im saying that keto, in conjunction with IF has helped me immensely.
Thanks for the video. I have just started on the vegan journey. Should have done it years ago. I took a nutrition course in college in 1990 and have always known that diet is "the" key to health and fitness. After reading The China Study I am thoroughly convinced of the science presented in it. Unfortunately meat, poultry, dairy and seafood are huge industries, creating vast amounts of money. Like tobacco used to. It will take time, lots of it but I'm hopeful that things will start to turn around. Just like tobacco.
Why do vegans hate meat and fish so much? It's not poison, it's what you were brought up on, it's what your parents were brought up on and your grandparents. Now all of a sudden you're talking like it's killing you.
Unfortunately these studies are not plant based vs keto, they are in fact plant based vs standard American diet. That is a huge difference. Plant based diets are shown to have positive effects against lots of markers and diseases, no question about that. Keto is also showing the same thing but there are no long term large participant studies, at least that i'm aware of. In my opinion it is very likely that what these two seemingly very different diets have in common that is the key. Both reduce or eliminate the highly processed garbage food so prevalent in the standard American diet today. In listening to talks by proponents on both sides I find it very interesting that the plant based promoters seem to go out of their way to trash keto at every opportunity and I really am not seeing much of it going the other way. I'm not sure if the plant based community feels threatened by keto or what but there certainly is a lot of that going on. According to lots of data, both these diets work.
Maybe we are more different that we think, hence both diets work for some people. I was vegan and I didn't feel that great. I also knew nothing about nutrition. I want to be low carb, diary free, pescaterian now. Listening to all these people contradict themselves drives me mad and I don't know what to believe anymore!
Two years ago I changed my eating habits to sort of a ketogenic diet with lots of veggies in my two daily meals. First meal is at around 2pm and las one no later than 7pm give or take. 46 years now about 50lbs less, out off diabetes and normal blood pressure with very noticeable amounts of muscle so if I am going to have a hart attack i will go a verry happy man.
Similar experience here. One or two meals a day, fatty meat and low glycemic veggies, often fermented. Lost 40+ lbs, lowered my blood pressure and blood sugar, better sleep, more muscle, leaner physique, lots of energy.
I'm with you I just started it and I'm doing better gal down the streets has done it for a year and she's doing great and she's under a doctor's supervision
The high carb vegan diet did not work for me, made me much worse in fact. The ketogenic diet stabilized my blood glucose, lowered my blood pressure, and I lost 24lbs in the first month. No question about it the ketogenic diet is VASTLY superior for managing blood sugar disorders no matter how many activists with PhDs say otherwise.
Another fantastic video guys, keep up the great work Klaus! It's like Dr. Greger says, people keep dressing up versions of the Atkins diet and selling it as something new. I was on Atkins years ago and was in ketosis for about 4 months. I lost a ton of weight but was completely miserable. I was constantly agitated, my urine and sweat smelled terribly, and who knows what kind of damage I was doing to my heart and body? Thankfully, I've been vegan for 2.5 years now and my cholesterol levels were cut in almost half! Go vegan everyone!
Conscientious Omnivore I commented on another video regarding halitosis and body odor. I’ve heard from several people both knowing people on keto and those whom have tried it themselves and they all say the same thing: you stink! But boy did it cause people to get defensive lol apparently you stink “at first” and “it will go away” if you stick to it long enough! 😂 I heard about halitosis and animal products in a video by McDougall called food and attractiveness where he shows that the main sources of the sulfur-containing amino acids are *drumroll* animal products!
Hi David. I'm not surprised you've heard the same thing, I've never known anyone who was truly in ketosis and didn't have stinky urine. As for it going away, if something stinks in my body for 4 months, I think that's long enough for me to know it's not healthy :-) Plus the cravings I was having for eating fruits and healthy things like tomatoes really told me that I needed to stop the stupid diet haha. I love Dr. McDougall, I think he is one of the most practical of the plant based doctors. I really like his meal plans too. Dr. Greger had some really good videos too about the sulfur containing amino acids - I think it was in the anti-aging series if I remember correctly. Avoiding animal products is just a win all around!
Yep, hence why I wrote "versions of the Atkins diet" :-) Dr. Atkins wanted you to be in ketosis for at least the first month of his diet by eating really few carbohydrates (30g or less in a day if I remember correctly).
Actually the first person using using the low carb diet was a mortician in England in the1800s. He had gotten so fat, he could only go downstairs backward. It should be called The Morticians Diet.
Vegan for 17 years. Did it for the animals. Health benefits were an unexpected but very nice perk! Turns out it’s also the best way to reduce global warming.
Naoreen I did WFPB diligently for over 2 years. It wrecked my health. Cholesterol out of control, A1c to prediabetic levels, severe weight gain, insatiable hunger, just to name a few. I switched to keto and all resolved in 6 months. If WFPB is working for you, that’s great; keep at it. But it’s not for everyone. I gave it every bit of commitment I had; now I wish I’d never heard of it.
kinpatu how come other people who do wfpb their whole lives are in optimal health. And as you said, you did it for a couple years and it wrecked your health? I dont think its so much the wfpd but the fact that you probably werent eating properly. What about the majority or people who consume animal products and the majority of them are sick? Meat isnt going to solve your problems. You have to learn how to eat properly. It kind of sounds like im attacking you and thats gross, im sorry. Im sorry you got sick. A whole food plant based lifestyle is the lifestyle for humans. Theres no way it can hurt someone if that person is getting everything they need, you know. Again, im sorry if it sounds like im being a dick. Anyways, i wish you the best
I am confused, the ketogenic diet is not about eating loads of meat!!! It's about eating a high amount of good fat (Olive oil, coconut oil, ...), tones of vegetables and only a very small amount of meat. As we all know, we don't need a lot of protein....too much protein just gets converted into sugar (a process called gluconeogenesis) and this will stop the body generating ketones. I am vegan and on a ketogenic diet. It's amazing. In 6 months my 15 years of arthritis pain 100% gone.
Many keto advocates eat a fair bit of meat, thus that emphasis here. Unfortunately, olive oil and coconut oil raise people's LDL (or keep them from getting down into the healthy range (40-60). That's great about your arthritis.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to get into ketosis if you eat too much protein (animal or plant-based) because, as I said, of the process called gluconeogenesis. Look I heavily promote a vegan lifestyle, but I will never twist the truth in order to do so. Regarding your old datted LDL comment. Its VLDL that's issue and all the research is saying that VLDL is the result of processed sugar.
@@Sohot_Yoga Well done taking control of ur life. Ur absolutely correct about LDL too. On top of that, studies now show a keto diet whether plant or animal based significantly lowers LDL, VLDL & Triglycerides and significantly raises HDL. All good! These Plant Based News people seem to have some kind of agenda I don't like the look of. If ur maintaining a vegetarian diet i really recommend watching Dr Gregors video here about the deficiencies and supplements u must take for ur health. Or you could have a little eggs or fish to avoid supplementation with artificial supps. All the best. czcams.com/video/yiSjRb2Rqb0/video.html
so great to hear, am vegan on keto diet with one avacado a day and coconut oil for cooking in limited amounts and lots of fruits and vegetables , lost 30lbs triglycerides down from 477 to 174 in one year. get the best of both diets.
Gotta love how vegans refuse to acknowledge the difference between crappy vegetable/seed canola oils are not the same as healthy fats. Huge difference!! Mixing poor quality high fats and oil with high glycemic carbs is horrible. The inflammation it causes leads to a host of metabolic disorders, from diabetes to coronary artery disease. You can combine fructose with protein for an anabolic effect but not fat and high glycemic carbs. I ate lots of salads and exercised daily and still got heavy, and felt unwell. I cut most bread, most sugar, and totally cut seed oils out of diet, and lost 25% of my mass. I eat free range chicken eggs and lots of grass fed beef. Blood work went from borderline to fantastic, vital signs are fantastic, along with fitness. This is from a mod ketogenic way of eating. I do eat lots of whole veggies. Those that try keto or low carb need to do it for 4-6 months for the full magic to happen.incredible weight loss, loads of stable energy, daily aches and pains gone, sense of well being through the roof.Fat loss without muscle loss. I have abs for the first time in 30 years,
I was doing keto because I was so scared of eating carbs after being anorexic. The water retention was horrible. I am now on a plant based diet. I don't want to live in fear eating a banana.
@chris evans The point I am trying to make is that vegans and keto both use facts to prove their point despite being contradictory: - Low carb high fat increases cholesterol. - Cholesterol increases risk of vascular disease. - Cholesterol is damages by sugar, thus not recognised and removed by the liver. They claim it to be fact but hide a lot of other research that goes along with it. These facts that you give is conflicting again dependent on who you get them from, which again proves my point of "whose" facts. There is no complete set that covers it all. Fibre is proven to be essential (even cellulose despite not being able to digest it), although some studies seems to indicate it's not. The farming/carbs/CMD relationship could be many things, for example increase in refined sugar, more stress, longer life expectency (can't develop heart disease over 40 if you're already dead by then). Again, my point was just the the facts are so nit-picked to fall in line with what they're selling that it's impossible to understand the whole truth.
@chris evans I am aware that my info is incomplete, which is why I used that as an example - granted I don't know it nearly as well as you in your message. The contradictions I refer to is not the science behind it but the vegan vs meat arguments, both using specific picks of the studies to prove their point, and their points are contradictory. If you have a video on the matter then please post a link as you seem to understand the subject rather well. Your links state fibre is not essential. Here is a link stating that it is important for a heap of reasons - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7589116/ So it goes back to "which of them do I believe." (this is not a dig at you, but just showing you why I'm having a hard time deciphering facts)
My keto diet is plant based. I eat more plant food than protein but I eat protein. Thank you. But I'm not going starch based. No way. That's not a plant. Greens are a plant. Thank you.
Top plant based news stories: - The plants all over the planet have risen up and attacked their vegan overlords - Eating plants now considered to be murder - Many vegans say they're breatharians now
After just watching a video explaining why keto is great and works and doesn't actually increase your risk for heart disease if you exclude all sugar, I am now watching this stating the opposite. The major difference is how the term cholesterol is used. Here it's one thing whereas in the other video is was explained how there are many different types, what causes it to get "stuck" in your veins and not removed by your liver, and how to get around that. Feels like I watched a science video compared to this which feels like a mormon at my door.
I wish people could come to realize that different diets work for different people... The single most offputting thing about the vegan diet to me is the somewhat toxic vegan community and their negative comments towards other diets and trends. (don’t blame me for having these experiences with SOME vegans) I’ve been following a ketogenic diet for about two years now and it really has saved me from type 2 diabetes. Today I live a happy life and to me that’s what matters. I won’t argue the fact that excessive consumption of red meats (or any meat for that matter) is harmful to your overall health. I still aim for a sufficient daily intake of vegetables and berries. I consume entire bags of spinach regularly. I only ask that you encourage your fellow vegan friends to not attack any specific diet or opinion. I shall encourage my “keto friends” to so the same.Thanks
ApertureAce WFPB diet is the best considering the overwhelming general population, sorry to break that to you. Environmentally and ethically the "keto diet" is not sustainable. Your blood values can only get better on a WFPB diet, so how good you're feeling now will only get better when you'll go fully plant based. I'm not here to become your best friend, it's just the simple truth. We do not base our major decision in life on abnormalities but on the general population. If you've watched the video Dr. Kahn even addressed the point you made in your argument..
The American Diabetic Association are a bunch of vegans, so you wouldn't expect any other outcome now, would you. It's really that simple, they're all one eyed. It's so sad that these vegan doctors all pull on the fat thing about keto and pretend that keto eaters don't eat vegetables. We do, lots of them.
@@RichardHarlos From what I have read, high protein is not good as your body will convert excess into sugar. It seems like everyone saying Keto is bad for us is getting it wrong? It also seems like the plant based diet is more centered around people's feelings on not eating meat (Add in saving the environment) vs an alternative method of getting nutrients.
@@kulagun , the 'uncomfortable truth' is that each person is different. Regardless how scientifically sound a particular food-choice protocol is, there will likely always be some people whose particular biological challenges result in them having a less than optimal experience with an otherwise scientifically sound diet. There's a really insightful video that was done about this individual variability. I highly recommend it: czcams.com/video/0z03xkwFbw4/video.html
I dont think ive ever seen a plant based eater make the right characterization of Keto being high fat Mod protein... They always say high protein .... Quit getting that wrong
All I know is I’m freaking rocking it on my moderate protein. 58 and 7.5% body fat great markers and depression is hiding somewhere??? Joints are better and wearing 30” pants loosely :)
Keto is high fat, low carb AND *LOW* PROTEINE! The study shown at 2:33 states in the objective: "Low-carbohydrate diets and their combination with high-protein diets..." this is *NOT* keto!
@@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405 I do meat based keto. I eat much less meat than I used to on the SAD diet, and I eat one or sometimes two meals a day. Keto is contingent on not spiking your insulin and too much protein will spike your insulin, everybody doing keto knows that.
There are too many keto diet variants, most of them were similar to Atkins with a lot of fatty meat as a large part of the diet. With such a history, most keto diets are extremely unhealthy, your less protein keto diet is maybe not much healthier.
oven baked potatoes now becoming my favourite food passing chicken schnitzels, pizza, cheese lavished sandwiches and chocolate - I'm improving every week in how I eat plant based foods
What about a whole food, plant based, low carb, high fat diet that incorporates organic farm raised animal products and no grains or starches? And no sugars or fructose.
@@Ben-oi6kz I had to cut sugars and carbs and found this worked in cutting hunger and cravings, and allowed to do intermittent fasting, I think it's the fatty natural foods that sustained me and carbs and fats were not a good combo. This is an interesting subject, and worth researching more. Thanks
@@Ben-oi6kz You’re right Ben. Keto used to have very little plant products but thankfully for them they now realise the importance of vegetables and recommend them now. They still think fruit is the enemy. It’s insane. I think some people just won’t give up eating meat. My neighbour just told me her husband has severe calcification but no blockages in his arteries. He got scared and has gone on keto. 🙄
@@Ben-oi6kz :) It’s hard to know what to do Ben. I was talking to his wife. I just don’t know if I should talk to her about my concerns with keto. He’s going to make his condition worse.
@@Ben-oi6kz It’s a great idea. I didn’t know they produced DVD’s etc. Goid resources in the website. Thanks for that. The DVD is on sale st the moment btw for $11.99. Unfortunately they only shop to the US and Canada. Don’t know what you were referring to for $2 I have Dr Greger’s two How Not to Die/Diet cookbooks which I could lend them if I can convince them. The trouble with keto is that they will see results in terms of weight loss and he will probably have at least an initial fall in LDL cholesterol.
@@sugarplumk2381 Also the HbA1C for type 2 diabetics normalizes and that does NOT happen on most vegetarian diets, especially if they are eating high carbs. The opposite happens.
Meat gives nutrients and proteins in easy to absorb form. As the age increases absorption capacity decreases. Don't give wrong advice to go plant base diet as it is not proven.
@@kik1139 u talk as if the pigs won't cream and cows won't run when they are caught into slaughterhouse. Or the chicken won't flapping everywhere when u try to cut its head off Or a deer fucking runs away from a cheetah so they won't be eatten? what's your point? stop being an embarrassment by using weird ass nonsensical logic. And btw plants do want us to eat them, they want to us to eat the parts called "fruits" to spread the seeds. Do animals want u to eat them to spread their "eggs" somehow? I know what these animals are called. They are called "parasites"
Links, please. High protein = HFHP = Atkins, paleo or carnivore, NOT Keto. LCHF Keto is more like pesco-ovo-vegetarian diet. CAD can be reversed with LCHF Keto, too. Milk is having sugar about the same levels, as Coca Cola. It is all about macros: You can excess carbs and protein in every diet. LCHFMP macros are possible both in vegan and LCHF keto diets.
Your comment clarifies some questions I had about what constitutes a standard keto diet. A question I have is: If a person is on keto diet, from which food sources should he (she) get the high fat, from plants or animals, or a combination of both? Thanks
Nod Amob This entire vegan agenda is not helping me understand why they actually are good. If you put this audiovisual info you have to put the links, otherwise it is linked to misinterpret what they want to achieve with it. I think it is more lazy to make an statement based on studies probably making results out of the unbiased health conditions of every patients. Not staying basic Biology and physiology is what, we obviously have to take as a basis, and then make more truthful stamentes, no one here in this video is talking about insulin, metabolic syndrome and what conditions are linked between it, and how this low high index carbs diet is helping on reversing this. it's even more boring that I don't get what are they trying to do with this.
@@halfbakedmunky5566 You can add fat on a small cut of meat. Just common sense. There are lean meats with small fats. There are high fat meats. Therefore you can have low protein high fat meat.
@@halfbakedmunky5566 I buy from supermarket and I am not Inuit. I don't hunt and kill my animal I buy my protein and fat in supermarket. I add coconut oil, olive oil or butter if I want more fat. Don't comment if you don't know what you are saying.
Incredibly uneducated response! Keep on eating raped, tortured and murdered animals honey, see what happens to you. Please use common sense when responding to people otherwise you sound dumb.
I think going plant based a few days out the week will work for me. I love steak. I love dairy! I also love my health and appreciate the benefits of eating to heal. Will be going back to the drawing board
you guys are not only protecting our beautiful animals but also educating and helping changing human minds in order to promote this biggest religion of all time #vegan go green and promote #veganism
ispectechular Keto isn’t a fad because it’s backed scientifically. Search CZcams for Ivor Cummins a biochemist. And lots of MD’s like Annette Bosworth Eric Berg and many others. Carbs are the problem- you don’t need them, fats and whole based foods you do need regardless of whether they’re animal fats or vegetable ones.
They can do these studies as much as they like, but i was never a part of it.. so why should i assume that it'll be the same for me. What i do know for a fact is that the high fat and low carbs with intermittent fasting is working nicely for me. I feel hydrated and satisfied for long periods of time., i can concentrate better with more clarity. Oh, and my outer appearance has improved a lot since doing it.
Benjamin bikman is a insulin scientist and researcher and he says the exact opposite! Please just for fun look into his research! Backed up with fact based studies.
I am on vegan keto. I plan to use it to cut on my sugar addiction. I am diabetic and exaggerating with pastries. So fat from coconut, walnut, and avocado helps me not to crave sugar. I eat lots of kale to cover vitamins deficiency that that kind of diet causes. Later on, I am planning to reduce fat and come to a vegan nearly raw diet.
Can anyone please share a link comparing vegan keto to low fat vegan? That’s what I really want to see because, vegan keto is completely different than carnivore keto
Keto recommends 0.7-0.9 grams of protein per pound of body weight (1.5-2.0 grams per kg) using your goal weight. Is that really high protein? If yes, then what is the protein level that is recommended for ultimate health?
Take a moment and read the summaries of the studies as presented on screen. There is not a single study in there that actually proves that a ketogenic diet is harmful - it might very well be, but these studies don't show it. A "brilliant mind" should be aware of that.
Although I am just an observer But looking on the study I can see that it is not a study as such but a mathematical and statistic interpretation of multiple studies So it raises some questions: 1.How big and how random the studies were ? 2.Was the subject of each represented study actually ketogenic diet or any variation of low carb high fat or carnivorous version/ Atkins? Without knowing for sure how well the studies in subject are performed there is always a shadow of doubt about outcomes of its statistical processing
@@james64ibm the only good evidence in favour of meat based keto is for rapid weight loss and improved blood work for the morbidly obese over a 6 month period. And epylepsy in children. Other than that? Your cholesterol will be too high where CVD will progress, processed/red meats and the cancer and I'd imagine diabetes will eventually catch up. There's good evidence for WFPB keto tho without the side effects and better results than just WFPB.
My brothers and dad have been overweight for years, and are diabetic and prediabetic now. I have tried to lead them to the light of WFPB or even just "meat-lite", but one brother lost a lot of pounds doing keto, and they are very traditional people that don't agree with me on much. So, here they go, gobbling down saturated fat because Eric Berg and some meat industry shills tell them it's okay.
this is what we need. the truth backed by science and independent research, hard to come by in an industry and pharma sponsored world where illness means dollars and environments die and earthlings suffer. keep going strong Klaus!!
MrGHLover107 it is not the better, the diabetic state is a insulin resistence chronic symptoms, it is the best that keep you carb, but according to basic biology you have to eat more to keep in good nutrition
It is unimaginable that people still refer to the murder, chopping into pieces and burning the flesh of beautiful, loving and sentient animals as “diet”. Imagine the horror of future generations when they read about this horrific period in human history when genocide and devouring these poor and helpless creatures was viewed as the norm.
People should do whatever they want, whatever makes them happy, it's their diet and their personal choice. As long as it stays a personal choice and doesn't involve any victims, of course
Avoiding casualties might be impossible, but not having any victims whatsoever is pretty darn easy. You need an intent to harm in order to produce victims.
interesting enough, the keto reverse diabetes too. By the way, the systematic study is not related to keto as in that study a low carb diet refers to 40% carbs intake and that's not a ketogenic diet. On top of that i believe this type of studies are useless, trial studies are the way to go. Try to be more objective and less superficial if you want to debunk something tho. And you should start realizing that a proper keto diet is very high in vegetables and healty fats(fish,nuts,etc) and is not bacon cheese and eggs. At this very moment, according to studies to this date, a keto diet and a vegan diet as the same expectation of life. So enjoy your life and your food, no matter what diet you do. Chill out and be happy.
i love learning about health, idk what it is but its a topic that I see myself fully engaged in. If i would've known back in high school, i woulda worked hard to become a doctor and inform people of true health & wellness
It's funny how the title is asking "keto fans" to read, but this channel itself clearly hasn't read the studies. Let's take a look at the 9 studies: 1) This compared a low-fat vegan diet (quote: The prescribed vegan diet (≈10% of energy from fat, 15% protein, 75% carbohydrate) consisted of vegetables, fruit, grains, and legumes) to a "conventional diet" (quote: 15-20% protein,
I tried the Keto diet for a while. The food was awful. I was sluggish. I had no energy to work out. I lost weight (mainly water weight), but I felt horrible. Don't do Keto. It is truly terrible.
Links to all 9 studies are listed here: www.plantbasednews.org/post/9-nutritional-studies-keto-diet-fans-have-to-read
Thank you very much for the links!!
Fantastic to have the links!
Nah, steak is good and im healthy asf
The problem is that those studies may well have lowered carbs but they were *not* low carb which is 25 grams or less. Another problem is that kerogen is diets are *not* high protein because as every high schooler knows excess protein is turned into glucose. High blood glucose is anathema to ketosis. You vegetarians are debunking a diet that keto people are not eating. Not good for your credibility.
keto diet has saved people infected with cancer and the english piece of shit in this video says it causes it
I did WFPB years ago but I missed meat too much and after a few weeks I went back. Now several years later I am diabetic with high blood pressure. I did keto for awhile and lost a little weight and I did control my blood sugar. But not only was I still diabetic with high blood pressure, my cholesterol went from averaging 160 up to 239. I am now back to a WFPB diet, three weeks, and my blood sugar has been great. I can eat fruits and vegetables without my blood sugar spiking to over 200 for hours as it always did on keto. I had to stop taking my HBP medication because before with medication I was always 140/90 on average, and after one week on WFPB I kept getting very dizzy all the time. I checked my blood pressure and it was 70/45. After I stopped the meds it has come up to 116/65 consistently and I feel much better. I go back for a followup on my diabetes at the end of August. I look forward to my visit because my fasting sugar every morning for the last week has been 90-93. I know by August it will be better. I will also get my cholesterol checked and I am sure it will be greatly improved.
harryt622 amazing!
Congratulations! Although I have only been at this a year, I eventually lost the animal products cravings. I knew how to get in and remain in ketosis but it was never appealing. I choose to follow how my grandmother managed to live to her late 80s and how she managed my grandfather's early onset heart disease so that he lived to age 93! My husband is no longer in heart failure. You can do this. It is a great journey when you are healthy!
Congrats!! Awesome health progress!
Nod Amob More fruit!
Nod Amob I do the best I can for today. When my husband brings me a fountain drink like a Barqs rootbeer with Sonic ice, I enjoy it. Do your best. The longer you are away from triggers and cravings, the less you will crave. I promise. Love and Light
I was vegetarian for 21 years. Despite exercising every single day I was slowly gaining weight each year. Moving to a wfpb diet last year I’ve dropped 15kg and have abs again at the age of 42! Sadly when people ask me how and I tell them they say “I couldn’t do that” doesn’t seem to matter how yummy my food is either. Some people just don’t care and would rather die early with their head in the sand. ☹️
It's like asking smokers to quit.
I achieved the same results by going for a pound of quark every day, which gives me a level of satiation without the feeling of fullness that I've never experienced before. The rest of my diet has very little restrictions (lots of chocolate and pizza/pasta in there as well), I just make sure that I get my antioxidants, vitamins and minerals. Did I mention that it's a lot cheaper than any vegan diet ever could be?
Well done you! I am early in my WFPBNO journey, but have been dairy and red meat free for years. I am finding the food delicious and I am never hungry after eating. My weight is dropping steadily. You are right, my brother, who died of cancer in his early 50's said that he'd rather be dead than miss out on the food he enjoyed. I guess he got his wish :'(
Martin Wright, you were vegetarian but not solely plant base...I take it you were still eating milk, eggs, cheese and perhaps mayonnaise and cooking with oil..? If that is the case, then look no further!
No. I also don't see how good advice can constitute a bad joke. Honestly, if you want to lose weight without feeling low in energy, having hunger or spend your days exercising and preparing meals, just make sure you get your minerals, vitamins (a basic multivitamin will do for these two, but real food should do fine if you know what you're doing), antioxidants (75% chocolate ftw, also decreases hunger and has slight anabolic properties) and your omega-3s (for me that's part flaxseed, part grass-fed milk, part fish), and then add lots of casein (about 60-70g per day will do fine). Beyond that, I consume anything I want - pizza, beer, pasta, whatever - I just try to limit sugar intake to an average of 50g a day.
One major aspect of nutrition - that vegans don't get imho - is that it is about getting all the important stuff in rather than keeping unhealthy stuff out. That's the reason why the health of many vegans flourishes, at least at first, because it is the first time in their life that their body isn't deprived of vitamins. We cannot keep all carcinogenic substances out of our body either way, it is much more important to give our body the substances to keep that in check - turmeric, mustard, chili, weed and antioxidants in general are quite important here.
Very happy WFPB person for last 9 mos. I changed my eating at 62 yrs young. I feel GREAT!!! 💪💪💪
When you come from SAD diet its normal. But wait some years and your health down without animal products...
Joseph Wood you still look big 🤭
Joeislayf and you still look gay
@Joseph Wood
Feeling great? ... that's generally what happens.
😁♥️🎶
Yeah, because you live of your body fat in the beginning.
i haven't eaten meat in 50 years, i have seen the results first hand. Im 65 and i can pass for 20 years younger. We are not carnivores
Good post! I am 81 and haven't eaten meat for 40 years. Low cholesterol, low BMI, No medications and my doctor told me I am Physically younger than 65.
We ARE carnivores..
@ Exactly ! Shame not many people knows these Vegan freeks are Green agenda Maniacs
@@lennardvirajjayasekara2484 Yup!
There are literery tons of people who eat nothing but meat and can claim the same thing.
I've just finished reading Dr Neil Barnards latest book, it was so interesting, and now, for the first time ever I'm eating for my health instead of my waistline. Great vid PBN, thanks Klause ✌️
What is his latest book? 😊
Galaxy Girl It's called The 21- Day Weight Loss Kick Start Diet. Really interesting and educational 😊
Yeah, it's called eat animal fat, and lose weight.
What an Orwellian reply. I think you mean "eat animal fat," ramp up major chronic diseases.
You let me watch dat waistline lol
I've been eating keto for over a year and only eat one meal a day. I'm 50 pounds lighter and easily maintaining my high school weight of 167 at 77. I have never felt better but I also eat about a pound of high fibre vegetables a day (zucchini broccoli and the like) and have .5 ketones 2,4, or 6 hours after I eat and 1 ketone in the period leading up to eating my one meal. My digestion is the happiest it has been since childhood. So I have foot in both camps and don't believe that it is either keto or plant based. I think it may vay a lot with individual metabolism. What I am pretty sure about is that you are not going to sell me on going back to eating grains and certainly not actual sugar. 75 years is enough.
To me just knowing what big industry farms are feeding the livestock is enough to keep me vegan.
Yeah, just don't eat big farm industry meat.
@@captaineveryman6589 most people have no choice lol.
they feed them carbs to make them fat, why should WE eat carbs also so we can get fat as well??!!
@@erikvelasquez1103 .. "Fat".. It is a cow... not a human.
+ They get injected with hormones.
1 it's not high protein
2 it's not meat based
3 most of the recommended fat comes from plant sources
4 wtf is wrong with people who spout blatant bs to try to scare people away from something that could enhance quality of life and longevity
Thank you!
When I did keto, all the blogs recommended bacon, cheeses, eggs, and animal fats, with above ground vegetables. They unnecessarily demonized healthy whole foods like potatoes and fruits in place of these potentially unhealthy food sources. If you are getting a lot of fats from plant sources, that's great and potentially a better way to do this diet. However, this is not the mainstream opinion when it comes to keto. People like the idea of eating bacon and losing weight. Simple as that.
@@RawrPokemonRawrpeople are uneducated as to how they can eat healthy, and people avoid eating what they don't know about. I personally eat way less on keto then I ever did on a wholly plant based diet.
@@sokratismethod1778 I agree with this, but that applies to any diet. Keto is meant to suppress your appetite so I am not surprised that you eat less now than on a wfpb diet. My comment was regarding the statement that keto is about eating mostly high fat plant sources vs animal sources which is not the mainstream advice for keto.
@@RawrPokemonRawr Ok. Fair enough.
Most of the fat I eat comes from plant based sources. I do nutritional ketodiet, which involves a great amount of cruciferous vegetables, seeds, nut, basically its a cleaned up paleo diet. Its not made to suppress hunger, its designed to balance insulin and get the body to use fat as a main source of fuel instead of glycogen by minimizing carb-intake, and avoid glyconeogenisis by applying a moderate protein intake. That hunger is suppressed is a byproduct. It balances much of the hormonal system, especially when combined with intermittent fasting.
Im sure you already know all of this though. Never the less, its interesting that people have gotten stuck on it being for weight-loss. Id say weight-loss is a symptom of a hormonal system getting balanced. That being said, Im not proponent to eating bacon and cheese all the time, although I enjoy that I can if I want to without thinking that it would be bad for me(given that its good bacon and cheese)
I’m on a ketogenic diet with intermittent fasting and my A1C dropped from 11.5 to 5.4 I’m now in the “non-diabetic” range! Feel fantastic! Inflammation gone, tons of energy, and glowing skin! Keto is DEFINITELY the way to go!
What they don’t get is that our ancestors were almost in ketosis more often than not and we did for about 1 million years.
@@Showbizboy Exactly! 🙌🏼 When many try to spread the narrative that keto is a “fad,” it angers me. Education/knowledge is critical.
Thanks for all your amazing videos PBN!
Thanks for the video. Vegan here, but please be accurate, keto is not high protein. Just saying we need to be accurate so that everything we say can be trusted.
I agree: the keto diet is not high protein. It is EXTREMELY high protein. At least, what is considered the “regular” keto diet, which is the only one I know about. All that meat… 🤮 My two roommates have been on it, carefully followed all the recommendations so I saw their crazy amounts of high protein foods.
@@awesomelife3710 that's not a "regular" keto, that's a failed keto. Too much protein will literally stop ketosis thanks to resulting blood glucose spikes
The amount of work that goes into each video is amazing! 😀 Thank you for the great information.
The plant-based movement: Everyone's a superhero !!!
I went vegetarian 44 years ago for the sake of the animals forced to breed and killed. I went vegan in 2001. I'm turning 72 next month. Plant power rules!
So you've saved the lives of well over a thousand animals!
My mother is 82 years old with diabetes and cardiovascular disease and a pacemaker. She has the full support of her entire medical team to go on a ketogenic diet. She thinks breakfast is eggs, bacon and avocados with coffee loaded with butter, cream and MCT oil. Not one doctor has had any concern whatsoever about this idea. It's totally flummoxing.
Those Doctors are looking to stay in business. Sad. Your Mom should find a more knowledgeable doctor.
How is your mom doing? There are so many people praising Kato that I don't know what to believe anymore.
I start my day with raw vegs, fruits, and nuts and end it with them
How is your fatty liver doing?
George Orwell on a plant based diet. Thanks for asking
Non alcoholic fatty liver comes from consuming too much fructose. Fructose is the sugar found in all fruit and when you eat too much of it, the liver stores it as fat.
Sorry, I don't trust anything vegans tell me, especially if they are frauds like "Dr" Greger. He is a piece of shit.
George Orwell who taught you this?
In most of those studies, the title was high animal protein diet, there wasn't any mention of high fat or ketogenic diet? Not a single study abstract or introduction mentioned that vegan diet was compared to healthy ketogenic diet. In those studies you mentioned that the control group was told to eat more animal/dairy based food, but was that a ketogenic diet? or just their normal diet with more animal based food? All those studies were so missleading, you compared healthy plant based diet to totally non healthy diet. I WANT TO SEE THE STUDY IN WHICH THEY COMPARED HEALTHY PLANT BASED DIET TO HEALTHY KETOGENIC DIET. I MEAN HEALTHY KETOGENIC DIET, NOT THE DIET IN WHICH THE KETOGENIC GROUP IS GIVEN FOODS WITH LOTS ON SOY OILS, 50% PROTIENS 30% CARBS AND 20% FAT. I WANT TO SEE A STUDY IN WHICH THEY COMPARED HEALTHY PLANT BASED DIET TO HEALTHY KETOGENIC DIET. and till then stop showing such studied which compared healthy vegan diet to non healthy diet. I know whole plant based vegan diet is healthy, but it does't mean that healthy ketogenic diet is totally unhealthy and bad. And next time when you show ketogenic diet studies also show in detail what were they really given to eat as a healthy ketogenic diet.
Ajinkya Kamate there are no long term Keto studies. They don't exist. They have only been proven to help children with seizures.
If there is no long term keto studies, then how these doctors are saying that keto gives short term advantages and long term keto is bad, Aren't these doctors making improper statements? Showing studies of vegan diet vs non healthy diet, when the Title of the video is regarding ketogenic diet. Show studies where they compared whole plant based diet vs healthy ketogenic diet and then make such statements.
People report weight loss and improved biomarkers (N=1)
I was a Keto eater.
There are plenty of control clinical trials showing that fats (in particular animal fats) cause plaque to build up in arteries. Low carb/keto proponents claim that there is no evidence for this, its all an Ancel Keys conspiracy, it is just not true. There is plenty of modern non industry funded studies showing how the mechanism of the disease works.
Poison Ivy Just keep your insulin levels low (but not too low) as long as you can and LDL is lesser risk factor in general. (Mostly veggies based) lF/OMAD LCHF Keto is one way to achieve good insulin resistance and prolonged state of low insulin levels. OMAD is quite a hard in pure vegan diet, as of I have understood it.
The ONLY type of healthy keto diet is if it's plant based 💁
This is insane, for every diet in the world there are tons of people praising it. Everyone has arguments that I can't filter because of lack of medical knowledge.
If it helps at all, here's a scientific article that discusses the pros and cons of keto:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915019315898?casa_token=0qs9dwMkIDoAAAAA:Sqi6Ck5okFokNPDkmc51fCaJzv8EGz8irvaFTCK6xmle42ALb6ghdSCDHP0cvdtvdj78YPiWp1M
It also compares it with a plant based diet at some points.
Exactly! And also all the different diets have medical experts that promote the diet as well as people that have real actual results from the diet! Furthermore, there are many people doing Keto with proper anecdotal stories that have eliminated both Type II diabetes as well as cancer. So now, what? I started Keto about 3 months ago. I am a pescatarian that simply introduced the Keto style. My blood pressure used to be a bit high and is now 100% normal. Dropped weight by about 12 kg. Also do IF Daily (IF 16-8 or 20-4) very comfortably. I am 62 years old, and my weight is now roughly what it was in my early twenties. My cardio fitness is at an all-time high with a heart rate of 49 bpm. Average bpm was 54 3 months ago. Dog walking, cycling, dancercise, Strength training are all regular parts of my training. Why should I switch to this recommended diet? I really would if I can be convinced. All very confusing!
@@themartian7121 Here's an earth scientist asking the same question and looking through tons of evidence for us to make our decision: czcams.com/video/1sfwiqcfiVI/video.html
The video starts at 5:30
@@themartian7121 science shows keto is good for weight loss. And your positive results are very likely from 12kg weight loss. After 1 year keto diet does not perform well re health. I recommend your eat what us apes are evolved to eat. Mostly plants.
Wow, you have a heart rate of a young athlete and you are 62. Is your doctor ok with that heart rate?
Ketogenoic is not high protein and should be high in green vegetables. You can also follow it plant based if need be.
Marcus Welby yep!
So true. Im positive to the plant based diets out there but im so tierd of hearing people say that keto is a dangerous lowcarp high protein diet. Eating to much protein pn a keto diet can actually kick you out of ketosis. Both diets can be extremly good for you and both diets can be bad for you depending on how you follow them. Eating wrong and bad fats on keto diet can be bad for you, eating to much sugar and carbs in different forms can be bad for you in a plant based diet. Depending on you goals and health issues you musr consider how to follow these diets. And not forget that whats actually really bad is the mix of fats and carbs at the same time, the only time its good is if its naturally included in that specific food like avocado
@@Baddo128 I agree that carbs and fats together are bad for you and much of what you said. but I don't think a long term plant based diet is ever good for anyone short term almost anything can be good.
Yeah. But is a vegan keto healthy?
@@yanostropicalparadise755 doesn't matter what you think, it matters what science and facts say..
LCHF is not high protein!! I eat more vegetables than ever
Me too. This plant people doesnt know what is about... true clean keto have overwhelming good effects on health and you dont need eat a lot of meat!
Most assume that LCHF is a high protein diet because high fatty foods have high protein, generally speaking. Even a meat free version.
Jozefo ikr! we still eat vegetables and you can eat a lot of leafy greens while on keto, stupid animal meat hating nerds.
@@user-dx5bn4yk4f Lol these vegans think we are eating meat actually not iam not eating meat at all i eat diary in small amounts but mostly healthy fats like nuts seeds olives coconut and all kinds of vegetables
Yes an expert that calls keto high protein have zero credibility.
I started keto in hopes of getting better energy levels and clearing acne and dandruff, as well as all of the other promised benefits in between. No luck with that. These things didn’t improve until I cut the cord on meat and dairy and went 100% vegan. Staying thin is effortless now so long as I’m not eating flour and added sugar, not to mention that I can feed myself for pennies a day and still consume a wide variety of nutrients. You just have to see what works for you personally
Awesome! And let's not forgot the WHO (World Health Organization) study that concluded processed meats are Group 1 carcinogens, putting them in the same risk category as cigarettes. I've convinced several people to reduce or eliminate meat by showing them that study alone.
Minus The Gym processed meat NOT grass fed. There is a difference. Plants fertilized with nitrates are just as bad.
Judy Rowland grass fed beef takes a RIDICULOUS amount of resources to produce
bEegIn ThE VEeGaN don’t fall for that BS. There is more waste land being poisoned by pesticides and herbicides than beef could possibly use. Fake news. Stop believing everything you are told.
Judy Rowland grass fed processed meat is still a carcinogen! Lol it's not what they are fed it's how they are processed.
Judy Rowland
There are thousands of studies on the negatives of meat consumption, and I guarantee you won't find the same results in studies on Fruits, Vegetables, Whole Grains, legumes etc, and in fact you will find the complete opposite and many beneficial outcomes to human health. Both factory farmed and GRASS FED meat contain the same componants that have been well studied and are known to be harmful to humans, so grass fed meat may well be healthier than factory farmed, but both are still terrible for health and its really a case if you would rather be shot or hung. Meat and especially red meat (even grass fed) contain heterocyclic amines, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, N-nitroso compounds, heme iron, saturated fat, cholesterol, as well as high levels of methionine, carnitine, protein, and meat consumption significantly increases IGF-1 and TMAO production in the human body.
There is a reason the WHO has red meat and processed meat on their human carcinogen lists. They don't form these lists because there 'might' be a risk of being harmful, they form these list based on MECHANISTIC (cause and effect) evidence, and both mechanistic and epidemiological data is overwhelming.
Dietary food groups and all cause mortality. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28446499/
Effect of red meat on total, cardiovascular and cancer mortality. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26143683/
Critical review of meta analyses of meat and cancer risk. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26633248/
Association of diet and IGF-1 concentrations in men. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15883443/
Methionine restriction and life span.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5008916/
Saturated Fatty Acids and cardiovascular disease. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5492032/
IGF-1 and cancer www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614012/
Summary of nearly 240 studies of diet and cancer, and based on that evidence, the recommended diet to avoid cancer. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC526387/
Thank you so much for all the work you do. Additionally I really appreciate you guys including the list to the studies in the description (just like you always do!). 🌱🐾👌
Thank you thank you thank you for publishing these videos. I'm vegan and trying to help educate my aging parents on the benefits of plant based. These videos with scientific and study based information really helps . 🙏🏽🙌🏼
Pft just leave your parents eat meat if they want to.
meat gives nutrients and proteins they need. as the age increases absorption capacity decreases. Don't give them wrong advice.
How is fatigue/ brain fog/ excessive weight loss prevented on a plant based diet?
I got read of.. Fibromialgia, IBS, Cronic fatig, brain fog in 3 weeks of Keto diet... So people, get you facts straight, I was following your super diet and it was killing me... bring in the fats and feed your brain and body!!!
It is amazing that doctors (doctors !!) recommend eating more meat and dairy products! There has been a setback in medicine because for 30 years all doctors have recommended patients with heart problems, diabetes etc. to eat LESS products of animal origin. I do not know in the US, but here in Brazil it is a tradition that when we visit someone in the hospital, we take fruits to give to that person, because they symbolize healthy eating.
I raise a question here: would not large laboratories be interested in an increase in consumption of their medicines? And knowing that these great laboratories totally control the curricula of medical schools, would not they be behind this huge setback in the dietary recommendations made by doctors?
Are you aware that for tens of thousands of years, humans lived MOSTLY on saturated fats? It's the last 200 years that's been filled with carbohydrates. Insulin resistance is a modern problem. Literally nobody had diabates in ancient Greece. Why do you think humans evolved an entirely different digestion the last 200 years, just when the agricultural boom happened along with globalization of easy carbs?
I’m doing vegan keto. Love it. Loss of weight. Great A1c. Liver data was amazing
I didn't know there was such a thing!
High fat is not good...even if from plants. Your insulin sensitivity is not good under a fat full diet...even plant based...why not do the heart healthy whole food plant based diet?
@@trishstauble3461 All of my blood test data is excellent. Avoid high carbs is the best way I have found. I walk two hours a day and I am slim. No fat. Keto works
@@suginami123 It's great you're doing good. Best wishes.
@@trishstauble3461 Dude you know insulin has nothing to do with fat-intake
Once I got into a keto protocol my cholesterol finally went back to normal after years being above average
Have you checked your levels again? Some people can initially get better results on keto because they are in a calorie deficit, but when that levels out, those cholesterol levels tend to rise back up.
Interesting. Ive never felt better in my body then on a nutritional ketogenic diet. I eat less meat then I ever did before, plants that are chosen with much more care then I did when I was on a vegan, or vegetarian diet. I have little to no inflammation in my body and I have more energy throughout the day. Im not calling bs on a wfpb-diet, Im saying that keto, in conjunction with IF has helped me immensely.
Sounds like you neglected eating the healthy stuff when you were vegan.
Thanks for the video. I have just started on the vegan journey. Should have done it years ago. I took a nutrition course in college in 1990 and have always known that diet is "the" key to health and fitness. After reading The China Study I am thoroughly convinced of the science presented in it. Unfortunately meat, poultry, dairy and seafood are huge industries, creating vast amounts of money. Like tobacco used to. It will take time, lots of it but I'm hopeful that things will start to turn around. Just like tobacco.
Why do vegans hate meat and fish so much? It's not poison, it's what you were brought up on, it's what your parents were brought up on and your grandparents. Now all of a sudden you're talking like it's killing you.
Unfortunately these studies are not plant based vs keto, they are in fact plant based vs standard American diet. That is a huge difference. Plant based diets are shown to have positive effects against lots of markers and diseases, no question about that. Keto is also showing the same thing but there are no long term large participant studies, at least that i'm aware of. In my opinion it is very likely that what these two seemingly very different diets have in common that is the key. Both reduce or eliminate the highly processed garbage food so prevalent in the standard American diet today. In listening to talks by proponents on both sides I find it very interesting that the plant based promoters seem to go out of their way to trash keto at every opportunity and I really am not seeing much of it going the other way. I'm not sure if the plant based community feels threatened by keto or what but there certainly is a lot of that going on. According to lots of data, both these diets work.
Maybe we are more different that we think, hence both diets work for some people. I was vegan and I didn't feel that great. I also knew nothing about nutrition. I want to be low carb, diary free, pescaterian now. Listening to all these people contradict themselves drives me mad and I don't know what to believe anymore!
I have been eating a plant based diet for 15 years and I am in shape!
Two years ago I changed my eating habits to sort of a ketogenic diet with lots of veggies in my two daily meals. First meal is at around 2pm and las one no later than 7pm give or take. 46 years now about 50lbs less, out off diabetes and normal blood pressure with very noticeable amounts of muscle so if I am going to have a hart attack i will go a verry happy man.
Similar experience here. One or two meals a day, fatty meat and low glycemic veggies, often fermented. Lost 40+ lbs, lowered my blood pressure and blood sugar, better sleep, more muscle, leaner physique, lots of energy.
I'm with you I just started it and I'm doing better gal down the streets has done it for a year and she's doing great and she's under a doctor's supervision
The high carb vegan diet did not work for me, made me much worse in fact. The ketogenic diet stabilized my blood glucose, lowered my blood pressure, and I lost 24lbs in the first month. No question about it the ketogenic diet is VASTLY superior for managing blood sugar disorders no matter how many activists with PhDs say otherwise.
Another fantastic video guys, keep up the great work Klaus! It's like Dr. Greger says, people keep dressing up versions of the Atkins diet and selling it as something new. I was on Atkins years ago and was in ketosis for about 4 months. I lost a ton of weight but was completely miserable. I was constantly agitated, my urine and sweat smelled terribly, and who knows what kind of damage I was doing to my heart and body? Thankfully, I've been vegan for 2.5 years now and my cholesterol levels were cut in almost half! Go vegan everyone!
Conscientious Omnivore I commented on another video regarding halitosis and body odor. I’ve heard from several people both knowing people on keto and those whom have tried it themselves and they all say the same thing: you stink! But boy did it cause people to get defensive lol apparently you stink “at first” and “it will go away” if you stick to it long enough! 😂 I heard about halitosis and animal products in a video by McDougall called food and attractiveness where he shows that the main sources of the sulfur-containing amino acids are *drumroll* animal products!
Hi David. I'm not surprised you've heard the same thing, I've never known anyone who was truly in ketosis and didn't have stinky urine. As for it going away, if something stinks in my body for 4 months, I think that's long enough for me to know it's not healthy :-) Plus the cravings I was having for eating fruits and healthy things like tomatoes really told me that I needed to stop the stupid diet haha.
I love Dr. McDougall, I think he is one of the most practical of the plant based doctors. I really like his meal plans too. Dr. Greger had some really good videos too about the sulfur containing amino acids - I think it was in the anti-aging series if I remember correctly. Avoiding animal products is just a win all around!
Keto is not Atkins. Similar but no the same.
Yep, hence why I wrote "versions of the Atkins diet" :-) Dr. Atkins wanted you to be in ketosis for at least the first month of his diet by eating really few carbohydrates (30g or less in a day if I remember correctly).
Actually the first person using using the low carb diet was a mortician in England in the1800s. He had gotten so fat, he could only go downstairs backward. It should be called The Morticians Diet.
Vegan for 17 years. Did it for the animals. Health benefits were an unexpected but very nice perk! Turns out it’s also the best way to reduce global warming.
I am pretty sure that the best way is to stop using oil/coal, but still a good option!
I wish every keto dieter would give WFPB a chance!
Naoreen THIS is the first time in my life I have not been held hostage by food, thoughts and cravings.
Naoreen Some people do plant based keto, I've tried it and it's not too bad minus the keto flu lol
Sorry, I forgot about plant based keto- didn’t mean to dismiss it!
Naoreen I did WFPB diligently for over 2 years. It wrecked my health. Cholesterol out of control, A1c to prediabetic levels, severe weight gain, insatiable hunger, just to name a few. I switched to keto and all resolved in 6 months. If WFPB is working for you, that’s great; keep at it. But it’s not for everyone. I gave it every bit of commitment I had; now I wish I’d never heard of it.
kinpatu how come other people who do wfpb their whole lives are in optimal health. And as you said, you did it for a couple years and it wrecked your health? I dont think its so much the wfpd but the fact that you probably werent eating properly. What about the majority or people who consume animal products and the majority of them are sick? Meat isnt going to solve your problems. You have to learn how to eat properly. It kind of sounds like im attacking you and thats gross, im sorry. Im sorry you got sick. A whole food plant based lifestyle is the lifestyle for humans. Theres no way it can hurt someone if that person is getting everything they need, you know. Again, im sorry if it sounds like im being a dick. Anyways, i wish you the best
Guys you are most welcome to eat every plant on our beautiful planet and leave us, the fat eating people, alone. Thank you.
I am with you here
I am confused, the ketogenic diet is not about eating loads of meat!!! It's about eating a high amount of good fat (Olive oil, coconut oil, ...), tones of vegetables and only a very small amount of meat. As we all know, we don't need a lot of protein....too much protein just gets converted into sugar (a process called gluconeogenesis) and this will stop the body generating ketones.
I am vegan and on a ketogenic diet. It's amazing. In 6 months my 15 years of arthritis pain 100% gone.
Many keto advocates eat a fair bit of meat, thus that emphasis here. Unfortunately, olive oil and coconut oil raise people's LDL (or keep them from getting down into the healthy range (40-60). That's great about your arthritis.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to get into ketosis if you eat too much protein (animal or plant-based) because, as I said, of the process called gluconeogenesis. Look I heavily promote a vegan lifestyle, but I will never twist the truth in order to do so. Regarding your old datted LDL comment. Its VLDL that's issue and all the research is saying that VLDL is the result of processed sugar.
Sohot lifestyle, what exactly do you eat on vegan keto diet? Because I have arthritis and I really want to get rid of it .
@@Sohot_Yoga Well done taking control of ur life. Ur absolutely correct about LDL too. On top of that, studies now show a keto diet whether plant or animal based significantly lowers LDL, VLDL & Triglycerides and significantly raises HDL. All good! These Plant Based News people seem to have some kind of agenda I don't like the look of. If ur maintaining a vegetarian diet i really recommend watching Dr Gregors video here about the deficiencies and supplements u must take for ur health. Or you could have a little eggs or fish to avoid supplementation with artificial supps. All the best. czcams.com/video/yiSjRb2Rqb0/video.html
so great to hear, am vegan on keto diet with one avacado a day and coconut oil for cooking in limited amounts and lots of fruits and vegetables , lost 30lbs triglycerides down from 477 to 174 in one year. get the best of both diets.
Gotta love how vegans refuse to acknowledge the difference between crappy vegetable/seed canola oils are not the same as healthy fats.
Huge difference!! Mixing poor quality high fats and oil with high glycemic carbs is horrible. The inflammation it causes leads to a host of metabolic disorders, from diabetes to coronary artery disease. You can combine fructose with protein for an anabolic effect but not fat and high glycemic carbs. I ate lots of salads and exercised daily and still got heavy, and felt unwell. I cut most bread, most sugar, and totally cut seed oils out of diet, and lost 25% of my mass. I eat free range chicken eggs and lots of grass fed beef. Blood work went from borderline to fantastic, vital signs are fantastic, along with fitness. This is from a mod ketogenic way of eating. I do eat lots of whole veggies.
Those that try keto or low carb need to do it for 4-6 months for the full magic to happen.incredible weight loss, loads of stable energy, daily aches and pains gone, sense of well being through the roof.Fat loss without muscle loss. I have abs for the first time in 30 years,
Thank you for the information,
I was doing keto because I was so scared of eating carbs after being anorexic. The water retention was horrible. I am now on a plant based diet. I don't want to live in fear eating a banana.
OMG the Keto people are driving me cuckoo-bananas!! Sooooo many people are doing it! I hope my friends don't die...
its been 10 months sara. are they dead yet? is everyone around you delusional, or is it you? that's the question to ask.
Can't believe everything you hear
@chris evans Whose facts? Facts exist for both sides of the coin here. Keto is great with facts proving it, so is vegan.
@chris evans The point I am trying to make is that vegans and keto both use facts to prove their point despite being contradictory:
- Low carb high fat increases cholesterol.
- Cholesterol increases risk of vascular disease.
- Cholesterol is damages by sugar, thus not recognised and removed by the liver.
They claim it to be fact but hide a lot of other research that goes along with it.
These facts that you give is conflicting again dependent on who you get them from, which again proves my point of "whose" facts. There is no complete set that covers it all. Fibre is proven to be essential (even cellulose despite not being able to digest it), although some studies seems to indicate it's not.
The farming/carbs/CMD relationship could be many things, for example increase in refined sugar, more stress, longer life expectency (can't develop heart disease over 40 if you're already dead by then).
Again, my point was just the the facts are so nit-picked to fall in line with what they're selling that it's impossible to understand the whole truth.
@chris evans I am aware that my info is incomplete, which is why I used that as an example - granted I don't know it nearly as well as you in your message. The contradictions I refer to is not the science behind it but the vegan vs meat arguments, both using specific picks of the studies to prove their point, and their points are contradictory.
If you have a video on the matter then please post a link as you seem to understand the subject rather well.
Your links state fibre is not essential. Here is a link stating that it is important for a heap of reasons - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7589116/
So it goes back to "which of them do I believe." (this is not a dig at you, but just showing you why I'm having a hard time deciphering facts)
My keto diet is plant based. I eat more plant food than protein but I eat protein. Thank you. But I'm not going starch based. No way. That's not a plant. Greens are a plant. Thank you.
Top plant based news stories:
- The plants all over the planet have risen up and attacked their vegan overlords
- Eating plants now considered to be murder
- Many vegans say they're breatharians now
I am absolutely love it thank you so much for sharing this with us. Happy holidays.
After just watching a video explaining why keto is great and works and doesn't actually increase your risk for heart disease if you exclude all sugar, I am now watching this stating the opposite. The major difference is how the term cholesterol is used. Here it's one thing whereas in the other video is was explained how there are many different types, what causes it to get "stuck" in your veins and not removed by your liver, and how to get around that. Feels like I watched a science video compared to this which feels like a mormon at my door.
I agree with everything said in this video. I'm going to share this video in my blog. Good Job!
I wish people could come to realize that different diets work for different people... The single most offputting thing about the vegan diet to me is the somewhat toxic vegan community and their negative comments towards other diets and trends. (don’t blame me for having these experiences with SOME vegans)
I’ve been following a ketogenic diet for about two years now and it really has saved me from type 2 diabetes. Today I live a happy life and to me that’s what matters.
I won’t argue the fact that excessive consumption of red meats (or any meat for that matter) is harmful to your overall health. I still aim for a sufficient daily intake of vegetables and berries. I consume entire bags of spinach regularly.
I only ask that you encourage your fellow vegan friends to not attack any specific diet or opinion. I shall encourage my “keto friends” to so the same.Thanks
ApertureAce WFPB diet is the best considering the overwhelming general population, sorry to break that to you. Environmentally and ethically the "keto diet" is not sustainable.
Your blood values can only get better on a WFPB diet, so how good you're feeling now will only get better when you'll go fully plant based. I'm not here to become your best friend, it's just the simple truth. We do not base our major decision in life on abnormalities but on the general population.
If you've watched the video Dr. Kahn even addressed the point you made in your argument..
Yes cus you and I are two different species.
Mark Aguilera Your diet is a big part of who you are.
ApertureAce OK, your diet is bad, you're a bad person, fix it.
wesrhdtyj No I feel that someone's diet is personal and should be respected
The American Diabetic Association are a bunch of vegans, so you wouldn't expect any other outcome now, would you. It's really that simple, they're all one eyed.
It's so sad that these vegan doctors all pull on the fat thing about keto and pretend that keto eaters don't eat vegetables. We do, lots of them.
Keto is NOT High protein.
Isn't Keto high fat (good fats), medium protein and lower (not eliminate) carbs, good carbs. Eliminate sugar!
@@kulagun , yes, keto is *medium* protein. Dr. Hadj is mistaken when, at 1:23, he says *"high* protein".
@@RichardHarlos From what I have read, high protein is not good as your body will convert excess into sugar. It seems like everyone saying Keto is bad for us is getting it wrong? It also seems like the plant based diet is more centered around people's feelings on not eating meat (Add in saving the environment) vs an alternative method of getting nutrients.
@@kulagun , the 'uncomfortable truth' is that each person is different. Regardless how scientifically sound a particular food-choice protocol is, there will likely always be some people whose particular biological challenges result in them having a less than optimal experience with an otherwise scientifically sound diet.
There's a really insightful video that was done about this individual variability. I highly recommend it:
czcams.com/video/0z03xkwFbw4/video.html
Why do a lot of vegans look like skeletons?
Today I did my BP no meds 60 over 132 went down thank you
I dont think ive ever seen a plant based eater make the right characterization of Keto being high fat Mod protein... They always say high protein ....
Quit getting that wrong
Agree. They do it over and over again
All I know is I’m freaking rocking it on my moderate protein. 58 and 7.5% body fat great markers and depression is hiding somewhere??? Joints are better and wearing 30” pants loosely :)
Don't hold your breath. They have nothing without their straw men.
That is why I don't trust vegans
Well they have plant based brains.
Great Video! Thanks for such a comprehensive look at the ketogenic diet.
Keto is high fat, low carb AND *LOW* PROTEINE! The study shown at 2:33 states in the objective: "Low-carbohydrate diets and their combination with high-protein diets..." this is *NOT* keto!
Leto is most often high protein as most people do meat based keto.
@@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405 I do meat based keto. I eat much less meat than I used to on the SAD diet, and I eat one or sometimes two meals a day. Keto is contingent on not spiking your insulin and too much protein will spike your insulin, everybody doing keto knows that.
I think that when they say high protein, its because of the % of protein vs fat vs carbs, not the grams of protein people eat.
There are too many keto diet variants, most of them were similar to Atkins with a lot of fatty meat as a large part of the diet. With such a history, most keto diets are extremely unhealthy, your less protein keto diet is maybe not much healthier.
Keto is high fat mid protein low carb.
I appreciate these great bites of info to share with those who have no clue about the efficacy of plant-based nutrition. PBN - you are awesome.
I never comment.... but thanks Claus!! You’re awesome for doing this!!!
agree
oven baked potatoes now becoming my favourite food passing chicken schnitzels, pizza, cheese lavished sandwiches and chocolate - I'm improving every week in how I eat plant based foods
Guess what? Cholestrol is good for you!
*Keep up the fantastic work in educating us about nutrition!*
What about a whole food, plant based, low carb, high fat diet that incorporates organic farm raised animal products and no grains or starches? And no sugars or fructose.
@@Ben-oi6kz I had to cut sugars and carbs and found this worked in cutting hunger and cravings, and allowed to do intermittent fasting, I think it's the fatty natural foods that sustained me and carbs and fats were not a good combo. This is an interesting subject, and worth researching more. Thanks
@@Ben-oi6kz You’re right Ben. Keto used to have very little plant products but thankfully for them they now realise the importance of vegetables and recommend them now. They still think fruit is the enemy. It’s insane. I think some people just won’t give up eating meat.
My neighbour just told me her husband has severe calcification but no blockages in his arteries. He got scared and has gone on keto. 🙄
@@Ben-oi6kz :) It’s hard to know what to do Ben. I was talking to his wife. I just don’t know if I should talk to her about my concerns with keto. He’s going to make his condition worse.
@@Ben-oi6kz It’s a great idea. I didn’t know they produced DVD’s etc. Goid resources in the website. Thanks for that. The DVD is on sale st the moment btw for $11.99. Unfortunately they only shop to the US and Canada. Don’t know what you were referring to for $2 I have Dr Greger’s two How Not to Die/Diet cookbooks which I could lend them if I can convince them. The trouble with keto is that they will see results in terms of weight loss and he will probably have at least an initial fall in LDL cholesterol.
@@sugarplumk2381 Also the HbA1C for type 2 diabetics normalizes and that does NOT happen on most vegetarian diets, especially if they are eating high carbs. The opposite happens.
Great video. A list of links to the studies in the description would be really helpful
Thank you so much for sharing this information video 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing actual studies. This has given me something to consider as all I hear these days is how good keto is.
Meat gives nutrients and proteins in easy to absorb form. As the age increases absorption capacity decreases. Don't give wrong advice to go plant base diet as it is not proven.
plants also contain anti nutrients, 1000s of poisons, natural insecticides and pesticides. Plants don't want us to eat them.
@@kik1139 u talk as if the pigs won't cream and cows won't run when they are caught into slaughterhouse.
Or the chicken won't flapping everywhere when u try to cut its head off
Or a deer fucking runs away from a cheetah so they won't be eatten?
what's your point?
stop being an embarrassment by using weird ass nonsensical logic.
And btw plants do want us to eat them, they want to us to eat the parts called "fruits" to spread the seeds.
Do animals want u to eat them to spread their "eggs" somehow?
I know what these animals are called. They are called "parasites"
I follow a vegetarian ketogenic diet.. Best of both worlds.
Becoming Vegan i feel great. I lost weight and i have so much energy and feel awesome. Go vegan
Links, please. High protein = HFHP = Atkins, paleo or carnivore, NOT Keto. LCHF Keto is more like pesco-ovo-vegetarian diet. CAD can be reversed with LCHF Keto, too. Milk is having sugar about the same levels, as Coca Cola.
It is all about macros: You can excess carbs and protein in every diet. LCHFMP macros are possible both in vegan and LCHF keto diets.
Your comment clarifies some questions I had about what constitutes a standard keto diet. A question I have is: If a person is on keto diet, from which food sources should he (she) get the high fat, from plants or animals, or a combination of both?
Thanks
CHARIS4REAL
You decide for yourself, stay away from omega 6.
Why not link to the studies in the description?
map182 Because it has to get it's boring impact using people that make almost truthfully statements
Nod Amob This entire vegan agenda is not helping me understand why they actually are good. If you put this audiovisual info you have to put the links, otherwise it is linked to misinterpret what they want to achieve with it.
I think it is more lazy to make an statement based on studies probably making results out of the unbiased health conditions of every patients. Not staying basic Biology and physiology is what, we obviously have to take as a basis, and then make more truthful stamentes, no one here in this video is talking about insulin, metabolic syndrome and what conditions are linked between it, and how this low high index carbs diet is helping on reversing this. it's even more boring that I don't get what are they trying to do with this.
Keto is not high protein. Only high fat low carb with lots of vegetables.
@@halfbakedmunky5566
You can have low protein high fat
@@halfbakedmunky5566
You can add fat on a small cut of meat. Just common sense. There are lean meats with small fats. There are high fat meats.
Therefore you can have low protein high fat meat.
@@halfbakedmunky5566
I buy from supermarket and I am not Inuit. I don't hunt and kill my animal I buy my protein and fat in supermarket. I add coconut oil, olive oil or butter if I want more fat.
Don't comment if you don't know what you are saying.
Common sense as eating pieces of a rotting corpse and drinking fluid from a cow is messed up...
Queline better to eat GMO’s, plants that are sprayed with herbicides and grown in nutrient deficient soils right!😂
Incredibly uneducated response! Keep on eating raped, tortured and murdered animals honey, see what happens to you. Please use common sense when responding to people otherwise you sound dumb.
Queline you don’t, so why should I?
Judy Rowland Why do you support animal cruelty?
Queline it's delicious as your ethical misinformation and unbiased opinions, not truth at all.
I think going plant based a few days out the week will work for me. I love steak. I love dairy! I also love my health and appreciate the benefits of eating to heal. Will be going back to the drawing board
A few days is good!
Fantastic video! Thanks for posting!!
you guys are not only protecting our beautiful animals but also educating and helping changing human minds in order to promote this biggest religion of all time #vegan go green and promote #veganism
I find the title very misleading: Keto doesn't mean you need to eat meat. You can do a vegan keto diet!
Franz Haxen keto sucks
@@ispectechular diet cultist.
Retired Shitposter LOL I am a diet cultist because I dislike a diet fad that will kill people in the long run?
ispectechular Keto isn’t a fad because it’s backed scientifically. Search CZcams for Ivor Cummins a biochemist. And lots of MD’s like Annette Bosworth Eric Berg and many others. Carbs are the problem- you don’t need them, fats and whole based foods you do need regardless of whether they’re animal fats or vegetable ones.
They can do these studies as much as they like, but i was never a part of it.. so why should i assume that it'll be the same for me. What i do know for a fact is that the high fat and low carbs with intermittent fasting is working nicely for me. I feel hydrated and satisfied for long periods of time., i can concentrate better with more clarity. Oh, and my outer appearance has improved a lot since doing it.
Benjamin bikman is a insulin scientist and researcher and he says the exact opposite!
Please just for fun look into his research! Backed up with fact based studies.
I rather listen to Cyrus Khambatta, he has T1D and a PhD in Molecular Biochemistry.
I am on vegan keto. I plan to use it to cut on my sugar addiction. I am diabetic and exaggerating with pastries. So fat from coconut, walnut, and avocado helps me not to crave sugar. I eat lots of kale to cover vitamins deficiency that that kind of diet causes. Later on, I am planning to reduce fat and come to a vegan nearly raw diet.
Plant based whole foods is ok. But no salt, no oil sucks.
No salt or oil? Why?
Can anyone please share a link comparing vegan keto to low fat vegan? That’s what I really want to see because, vegan keto is completely different than carnivore keto
Get your definition of keto correct buddy
Keto recommends 0.7-0.9 grams of protein per pound of body weight (1.5-2.0 grams per kg) using your goal weight. Is that really high protein? If yes, then what is the protein level that is recommended for ultimate health?
So satisfying to listen to brilliant minds saying the truth. 😊
Take a moment and read the summaries of the studies as presented on screen. There is not a single study in there that actually proves that a ketogenic diet is harmful - it might very well be, but these studies don't show it. A "brilliant mind" should be aware of that.
Although I am just an observer But looking on the study I can see that it is not a study as such but a mathematical and statistic interpretation of multiple studies
So it raises some questions:
1.How big and how random the studies were ?
2.Was the subject of each represented study actually ketogenic diet or any variation of low carb high fat or carnivorous version/ Atkins?
Without knowing for sure how well the studies in subject are performed there is always a shadow of doubt about outcomes of its statistical processing
@@james64ibm the only good evidence in favour of meat based keto is for rapid weight loss and improved blood work for the morbidly obese over a 6 month period. And epylepsy in children. Other than that? Your cholesterol will be too high where CVD will progress, processed/red meats and the cancer and I'd imagine diabetes will eventually catch up. There's good evidence for WFPB keto tho without the side effects and better results than just WFPB.
Now I am convinced every diet is better than the other diet because there is scientific evidence for the one you like. Case closed.
I love cholesterol! Whats wrong with cholesterol?
My brothers and dad have been overweight for years, and are diabetic and prediabetic now. I have tried to lead them to the light of WFPB or even just "meat-lite", but one brother lost a lot of pounds doing keto, and they are very traditional people that don't agree with me on much. So, here they go, gobbling down saturated fat because Eric Berg and some meat industry shills tell them it's okay.
Wow! I was seriously considering starting a Carnivore Diet, but not after watching this video. Thank you!
Ali R. Just try it for 30 days, the thing is these studies are Not any good. This is trash science.
Grains absolutely ruined my health, and you call them "healthful".
Don't blame the grains for your body being weird man.
If grains were so bad, Asians would have lower life expectancy.
Keto includes high vegetables diet.
this is what we need. the truth backed by science and independent research, hard to come by in an industry and pharma sponsored world where illness means dollars and environments die and earthlings suffer. keep going strong Klaus!!
What about Vegan KETO??
MrGHLover107 it is not the better, the diabetic state is a insulin resistence chronic symptoms, it is the best that keep you carb, but according to basic biology you have to eat more to keep in good nutrition
Eco-atkins is vegan keto.
It is unimaginable that people still refer to the murder, chopping into pieces and burning the flesh of beautiful, loving and sentient animals as “diet”. Imagine the horror of future generations when they read about this horrific period in human history when genocide and devouring these poor and helpless creatures was viewed as the norm.
People should do whatever they want, whatever makes them happy, it's their diet and their personal choice. As long as it stays a personal choice and doesn't involve any victims, of course
fuanshin That's the best comment here
I agree and when one eats animals , dairy or eggs there is a victim.
Choosing a potato over a sweet potato is personal choice. No victim.
No victim? Probably impossible, but obviously the nearest to that would be WFPB - I guess you meant that right?
innerrevolution1
Yes, least possible harm.
Avoiding casualties might be impossible, but not having any victims whatsoever is pretty darn easy. You need an intent to harm in order to produce victims.
interesting enough, the keto reverse diabetes too. By the way, the systematic study is not related to keto as in that study a low carb diet refers to 40% carbs intake and that's not a ketogenic diet. On top of that i believe this type of studies are useless, trial studies are the way to go. Try to be more objective and less superficial if you want to debunk something tho.
And you should start realizing that a proper keto diet is very high in vegetables and healty fats(fish,nuts,etc) and is not bacon cheese and eggs. At this very moment, according to studies to this date, a keto diet and a vegan diet as the same expectation of life. So enjoy your life and your food, no matter what diet you do. Chill out and be happy.
i love learning about health, idk what it is but its a topic that I see myself fully engaged in. If i would've known back in high school, i woulda worked hard to become a doctor and inform people of true health & wellness
It's funny how the title is asking "keto fans" to read, but this channel itself clearly hasn't read the studies. Let's take a look at the 9 studies:
1) This compared a low-fat vegan diet (quote: The prescribed vegan diet (≈10% of energy from fat, 15% protein, 75% carbohydrate) consisted of vegetables, fruit, grains, and legumes) to a "conventional diet" (quote: 15-20% protein,
Keto pple eat 10 cups of veges more than whole plant people
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natureasintended paleo ≠ keto
I highly doubt that
@@Ama40401 I do.
I tried the Keto diet for a while. The food was awful. I was sluggish. I had no energy to work out. I lost weight (mainly water weight), but I felt horrible. Don't do Keto. It is truly terrible.