JEEP 4XE WRANGLER on 38's?! REVIEW ON A BUILT OFF ROAD HYBRID!

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  • @shawnperepelytz6397
    @shawnperepelytz6397 Před 2 lety +13

    That blue 4XE on 38’s looks great. If you get one, set up some roof top solar panels and run around connected to a Jackery. ;)

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +1

      😂😂😂 That's great!

    • @JamesDealz
      @JamesDealz Před 2 lety +4

      14(17) kilowatt battery. I've done the math and it's not pretty how big of a solar array you'd need to have 😂.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +1

      @@JamesDealz 😂😂

    • @kingbran923
      @kingbran923 Před 2 lety +1

      I was just thinking about that, it could be a pretty useful feature to have while overlanding for a few days.

    • @jpdrummer86
      @jpdrummer86 Před 9 měsíci +1

      You’ll be charging for a week just to get enough juice 🤣 to not get very far

  • @dartboardearth
    @dartboardearth Před 2 lety +11

    The way it works for me is I drive a Jeep with 370 HP and 470 pounds of torque for the same fuel costs (electric and gas combined) as I did a Subaru Outback. And we've pounded the heck out of it in Moab, including pulling a trailer. About 50 percent of my miles are electric, but then you have so much fun driving it you want to keep doing 700 mile trips.

    • @robsolf
      @robsolf Před 2 lety +1

      I feel a little freer dropping the pedal from time to time than I would running a normal ICE engine with that kind of power. I mean... at WOT you're using about as much fuel as any other vehicle with a 2.0 turbo, yet it's getting up to speed much faster even in a much heavier vehicle.

  • @robsolf
    @robsolf Před 2 lety +5

    10:10 On the highway, that's true... a diesel or the V6 running on a flat road at highway speeds might get a bit better mileage than the 4xe(esp. the diesel). But even with 0 battery, I bet the 4xe does far better in the city. At least that's what I get from my other jeepin' buddies when we compare notes.

  • @mikemcgugan3977
    @mikemcgugan3977 Před rokem +3

    I daily drive my 4xe on 35's and travel 40ish kms to work every day, i charge at work during the day and have gone an entire month on 1 tank of gas. I obviously have the perfect commute in distance and the fact i have the ability to charge at work. We installed a 40amp plug in a water proof box and bought level 2 chargers off amazon for employees to use. Another location i work we installed a true plug in charging station and it cost 5 times as much. Love my 4xe and will buy another. Oh yeah btw i use it on the weekends like it should be used with a roof top tent that i pull behind on my trailer and get into some crazy places with it.

  • @DC-ok6bk
    @DC-ok6bk Před 2 lety +9

    You should also consider the full electric climate control benefits. For those who travel with their pets, no more leaving the dogs in a hot car. It can cool itself without the gas motor being on. Reverse can be true for sleeping in the Jeep on a cold night, yet the loss of a flat deck makes that nearly impossible

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +5

      I didn't know that about the climate controls! Very cool! I think a small drawer system might work to fix the flat deck problem?

    • @maddrummerhef
      @maddrummerhef Před 2 lety +4

      Plenty of solutions out there for this on the diy scene. With a couple manufacturers in the process of releasing products to solve this issue as well

    • @robsolf
      @robsolf Před 2 lety +2

      It's great when you're stopped in traffic, too. Engine only runs to charge the AC(and only at 0% battery), which is a fraction of the time. And even with the battery depleted, it creeps forward without starting the ICE.

    • @davidcarrico3385
      @davidcarrico3385 Před 2 lety +5

      Just a note on this, the vehicle does turn off automatically after 30 min. There are ways around this like unhooking the driver side door electronics, but be aware of that if leaving a pet in the vehicle for more than a few min.

    • @williamlee7782
      @williamlee7782 Před 2 měsíci

      Take the rear seats off and install a goose gear platform. I think it'll work on the 4xE. I have it on my JKUR and can sleep flat with the seats pushed forward (and that gap filled in from the seats).

  • @BreckoniousMaximus
    @BreckoniousMaximus Před rokem +2

    Very informative video on the 4xe. The more I learn about it, the more I want one!

  • @maddrummerhef
    @maddrummerhef Před 2 lety +7

    Loving mine! It’s still bone stock but it’s so awesome

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +2

      A bone stock wrangler is still a very capable rig!!! Congrats on the 4xe!

    • @robsolf
      @robsolf Před 2 lety +2

      Love mine, too. I've never owned a vehicle that's as practical and indulgent at the same time. One or the other, but never both.

  • @xLopez210x
    @xLopez210x Před 2 lety +5

    Im posting after reading most of the comments incase i repeat something plus this is before i watch the video. Just an opinion because Im trying to do some math and factors myself for a future truck. The benefits of an offroad electric is so much torque that its insane especially watching Trail Recon and his experience. I think that would be where is pretty much ends. The cons and ways to improve it plus some outside factors:
    - Theres just not enough battery power to last out on the trails for long distances so this is more of a prototype than anything.
    - I feel like there needs to be a secondary batt. setup separate from the vehicle range batt. just for accessories. Cuz you can build out a 20kw system with as much space in the back to power a whole kitchen for days.
    - lastly, the issue is recharging, the solar panels just aren't there yet and Im waiting for Perovskite to be fully commercialized for us for better efficiency, which i believe will be enough to power an off-roading vehicle no problem or even just enough for a minimum of a couple days.
    Now on to watching my favorite youtuber to comment some more after this.
    done......... you know are you able to install an aftermarket gas tank increase on a 4Xe?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +1

      When we were under there, there wasn't much room. The etorq system takes up the space a long range tank would normally go... I'm sure it can be done!

    • @xLopez210x
      @xLopez210x Před 2 lety +1

      @@UnwindingRoads next jeep thing: Jenga shaped gas tank to fit around the stuff under the jeep lol

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      @@xLopez210x 😂😂

    • @robsolf
      @robsolf Před 2 lety

      That's basically how it works, already. Even when the battery indicates 0, there's remaining charge to cover climate and propulsion power demands. And accessories run off of 12V, but that battery is charged directly from the propulsion battery. There is no alternator on this vehicle.

    • @robsolf
      @robsolf Před 2 lety +2

      A bigger tank would be great on longer trips, but I think jerry cans would be the better solution. In normal everyday use, the smaller tank helps with the "problem" of going months before having to refuel. Honestly in everyday use cases I'd never fill it up if it were any bigger. The other is that I find myself having to stop at gas stations long before I'm on empty, mostly for the purpose of cleaning all the bugs off the windshield. On long trips I've found myself stopping before I hit a quarter tank because of this. Neither of these things is a factor in overlanding, but they sure are in every other form of travel.

  • @rxtu7367
    @rxtu7367 Před 2 lety +3

    I went from a V8 500+hp sports car to a 4xe Rubicon and I absolutely love it

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      ... A 500hp sports car does sound fun....

    • @nasty5-oh893
      @nasty5-oh893 Před 2 lety +1

      Just trade in my 720hp mustang in today also for a 4XE rubicon 😭😭😭

    • @rxtu7367
      @rxtu7367 Před 2 lety +2

      @@nasty5-oh893 You’ll definitely miss it at times but the places you can go and experience are absolutely amazing!

  • @JendellOverland
    @JendellOverland Před 2 lety +6

    with only getting 40 kms, I really do not see the value in getting one of these models. With living in Canada, the battery life is definitely not as long as it would be in a warmer climate. I do like the torque, but that trade off is not significant enough for me. I will stick to my gas powered Rubicon's.
    Thanks for the video.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +3

      Ya I don't think these hybrids are there just yet. But maybe one day!

    • @trevinated
      @trevinated Před 2 lety +1

      @@UnwindingRoads
      I suspect It really depends on the use case.
      If most of your driving is to work and back, shopping, running errands, that 40KM in electric is within most peoples daily use. So every day you're using mainly Electric. Daily Driving savings $$$. That's where the majority of drivers sit. Definitely the best fit for PHEV.
      If you're a weekend warrior, you still get the benefit of the Hybrid function with all the HP/Torque, even when your access to electric only is gone.
      If you're doing a long road trip and the 40 km electric is depleted and your in hybrid mode, you still get better mileage than the 3.6l. At least that's comparing my 3.6L to my friends 4xe, of course your build makes a difference.
      So the money saved doing the daily stuff in electric, has the potential to more than makes up for gas costs for those big trips.
      However, if your daily driving is well beyond your electric range, and you really need to get maximum bang for mileage, you could go diesel for that. However, the extra $10k you pay for a diesel will take years to make up in mileage/gas savings, plus DEF Costs, maintenance, etc.
      My wife has a PHEV car that she bought recently, 50km electric range. Between her, my son, and myself, we've all leveraged her car for daily errands and commutes. We almost never run out the electric only availability in an average day. Her car's going to get a lot of miles while I save wear and tear on my Jeep. = $$$ for upgrades!
      ;)
      In my case, using the wife's PHEV has shown me just how much better PHEV is over Hybrid or Full blown electric. We just put the 1st tank of gas in, after 2700km's driving.
      At the end of the day, Hybrids/PHEV's, aren't intended to be the same as fully electric. They are intended to give you the maximum carbon footprint reduction at a much faster rate, have less impact on the environment to produce than BEV, allow you to keep traveling without the need to stop for long periods of time to charge, and augment the performance of your ICE when needed at the same time.
      For me, I'm just waiting to see what the 2023 Wrangler 4xe model will have before I pull the trigger and jump to PHEV.

    • @braedonsz
      @braedonsz Před 2 lety +4

      Fellow Canadian here- Really comes down to your commute. If you’re doing an hour to work and an hour home, I wouldn’t recommend the 4xe. But for shorter commutes? having the same amount of gas in the tank on friday afternoon as you started with Monday morning before heading out for the weekend is awesome. And that performance should make it through 3/4 seasons. In the winter, I expect the gas engine to kick in a little more often- but I’ll still use far less gas and need fewer oil changes than the V6. With the added bonus of more power and torque. If your daily commute is less than 50 - 60km, it really is an awesome setup.

    • @JendellOverland
      @JendellOverland Před 2 lety +2

      @@braedonsz awesome response

  • @robsolf
    @robsolf Před 2 lety +6

    8:15 Kinda weird that he says it's "sluggish" when the battery is "empty". While the battery does add weight, the battery at 0% still provides electric propulsion. You still have 370-ish HP and almost 500tq on demand. It's being primarily propelled by the ICE at that point instead of the P1 motor doing most of the work, but you put your foot down and you have everything from both, just as you do with a full battery.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +3

      I think he touches on that saying that 15 percent of the battery is not available to the user for times like that. But with general driving it feels sluggish. I could be wrong but that's what I got from it. Very cool that it'll still go when you want it to go quick even with a "dead" battery. Thanks for clearing that up Robsolf!

    • @robsolf
      @robsolf Před 2 lety +3

      @@UnwindingRoads Could be. Maybe he's just talking about the contrast in driving behavior when it uses the ICE primarily (at 0 batt)vs. the electric when it has charge. The electric motor is, by nature, more responsive even though it has half the power the ICE does.

    • @jet_flyer
      @jet_flyer Před 2 lety +1

      @@robsolf I think the he's mostly referring to some of the power being used to run the generator, which would take away from the total available torque.

    • @BreckoniousMaximus
      @BreckoniousMaximus Před rokem +1

      This is my understanding of the 4xe as well.

    • @mcampbell1124
      @mcampbell1124 Před 11 měsíci

      Basically it feels like bad '80s turbo lag. Yes, you can get full power but it isn't instant when the usable battery reads

  • @shawnperepelytz6397
    @shawnperepelytz6397 Před 2 lety +3

    I’m hoping your video corrects me if I’m wrong but I think the electric power in these Jeeps is good enough for driving the kids to school & getting to the grocery store but the juice will run out before you hit Abbotsford or Mission. Looking forward to the review. 🎬🎞🍿

  • @daneemfragrance
    @daneemfragrance Před 2 lety +1

    Hey Teddy. Good to see you here on CZcams. I don’t if you remember I met you at Contenders back in the day. Hope your doing well. Take care

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      Yes I remember you! Hope you're well man!

    • @daneemfragrance
      @daneemfragrance Před 2 lety

      @@UnwindingRoads good memory. How’s the boxing gym going? You at the same place still?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      @@daneemfragrance no sir, the building got sold and I never re-opened. I converted my garage to make a gym and still train people there.

    • @daneemfragrance
      @daneemfragrance Před 2 lety +1

      @@UnwindingRoads that’s cool. I got to come check it out sometime.

  • @otomoravec1732
    @otomoravec1732 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I am surprised the jeep community accepted the 4xe so enthusiastically. One would expect jeep owners to be somewhat stubborn and preferring "tried and true" old school technology but it does not seem to be the case.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 5 měsíci

      I think it's because it also has a ICE. Its a nice transition. And they did a great job of it.....

  • @blaise7405
    @blaise7405 Před 2 lety +2

    Haha Landon's blow off valve is sick....what's that gonna cost me 🤔

  • @EngiTrek
    @EngiTrek Před rokem +2

    What about a 4xe gladiator? Supposedly in 2024… might be worth the wait?

  • @TheStoryTillNow
    @TheStoryTillNow Před 2 lety +3

    August 29, 1997 - this is how it starts.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +1

      that's why you can never wheel two of these together. they might mate, and lead to our destruction.

    • @grahameroberts8109
      @grahameroberts8109 Před 2 lety

      It started for me in 1971! 👍🏻🙏🦘

  • @mircoryba9656
    @mircoryba9656 Před rokem +1

    What Blow off valve does the blue jeep have?? Love it

  • @DanielLee-tg3xd
    @DanielLee-tg3xd Před 2 lety +1

    Here i am waiting for my parts to arrive so that you guys can lift it for me...

  • @curtholwell
    @curtholwell Před rokem +2

    Nice video, I have bought the 4xe and put the first setup you did on the white jeep, lower control arms, bump stops and the spring spacers, not liking it to well, i like what you have done on this build, but Teraflex tells me they do not have any 3.5 kits designed for the 4xe. So can you tell me what you ordered? Thanks

    • @scotthayes2324
      @scotthayes2324 Před rokem

      I was asking the same thing at a shop. They said that if they install a kit like they would a eco-diesel, it's basically the same as the 4xe. But I did hear the Falcon shocks don't work as well as the Fox with the 4xe. I could be wrong though. Just what my local shop said from their experience.

  • @jotato703
    @jotato703 Před 2 lety +1

    At 6:36, is that a blowoff valve I hear or was that the semi that passed by in the background? Lol

  • @rigel25
    @rigel25 Před 10 měsíci +1

    how did you mount the rtt directly from the base of rhino rack?

  • @mrmatthewpaul
    @mrmatthewpaul Před rokem +1

    So is it possible to increase the power out of the 2 liter turbo without hurting the hybrid system...?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem

      That's a good question, I have no idea. I'd assume it's still to early for hybrid tunes. But with more people getting them there might be a market for it very soon! It could be out already but I haven't heard of anything....

  • @ruifang1101
    @ruifang1101 Před rokem +1

    have your done the regear? I heard 4XE won’t work with gear more than 4.5. I wanted to go 4.56 but don’t know if this issue is resolved.

  • @thisboycannabis
    @thisboycannabis Před 2 lety +2

    there just isnt enough plugs out in nature yet for me to get one lol

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      Hahahaha that's the beauty of these you can run it fully gas if you want. But apparently it's not great on fuel when you do that

    • @thisboycannabis
      @thisboycannabis Před 2 lety +1

      @@UnwindingRoads i do dig the blue badges lol

    • @dartboardearth
      @dartboardearth Před 2 lety +2

      @@UnwindingRoads I've done 700 mile trips to go wheelin. 18 mpg which isn't bad for a Rubicon... and you do still have the battery power when it is "out of battery". It reserves 15 percent to run as a hybrid (It's always a hybrid). We finally quit throwing it in 4 lo as the torque is really nice and we could power easily over intermittent obstacles. We did take extra fuel as we were a hundred miles from a gas station.

  • @edwardbanegas2153
    @edwardbanegas2153 Před rokem +1

    What is the range of electric now it's lifted?
    I think it's about 27 miles stock

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem +1

      He says he lost about 10 percent of his range. So that's about 3 miles less on full electric.

    • @edwardbanegas2153
      @edwardbanegas2153 Před rokem +1

      @@UnwindingRoads thanks, I missed that when I watched the video

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem +1

      @@edwardbanegas2153 it was a very quick mention. All the best!

  • @stephtraveler7378
    @stephtraveler7378 Před rokem +1

    FIAT is doing a decent job with these but there are better things to spend money on that will produce better results offraod.... than having two powerplants and electronics that the typical consumer can't work on.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem

      When I asked if it was the best platform for offroading the answer was no, the ecodiesel is still the best platform.... But as a do everything, it would be nice to get groceries and go to work for free essentially. Depending on how much it costs to charge in your area...

  • @Gravelpilot
    @Gravelpilot Před 3 dny +1

    Stock gearing?

  • @daisyacevedo3807
    @daisyacevedo3807 Před 2 lety +1

    Just had mine for a month. Check engine light went on. Can’t start the car with remote start and cameras aren’t working :(

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      Ooooh no!! Was this on or offroad?

    • @daisyacevedo3807
      @daisyacevedo3807 Před 2 lety

      It just happened in the morning on my way to work. Turned on the car and check engine light went on. Cameras weren’t working and later on during the day I tried to start with remote and it turned on and turned off

    • @thomaskrutulis2289
      @thomaskrutulis2289 Před 2 lety

      God this is what scares me from the coolness of jeeps and had me still considering a Toyota. Sucks man

    • @daisyacevedo3807
      @daisyacevedo3807 Před 2 lety

      @@thomaskrutulis2289 my auxiliary coolant pump is failing

  • @thedailyl3af1
    @thedailyl3af1 Před rokem +1

    what blow off valve do you have?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem +1

      The jeep belongs to Landen at Epic Adventure Outfitters. I'm not sure which blow off valve he's running....

  • @josephbyrnhopf2481
    @josephbyrnhopf2481 Před rokem +1

    @12:42: Jerry Cans! Yeah right. How about those new PC plastic cans that require destructive disassembly to access the fuel? So, how's that tailgate gonna handle the weight of a 38" spare and 10 gallons of gas on something like Hole in the Rock; Rincon or Top of the World via Rose Garden Hill? My POS $1500 1987 XJ has done all that without Jerry cans. The clunker with 285K on the odometer was still getting 21mpg freeway and 14 mpg avg in 4 low before druggies stole it. $75,000 for what?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem

      It's the future. I dont like it. But we can't stop it. These vehicles are not there yet. This is only the first plug in wrangler. I do think in the next 5 years or so it'll be able to go wheeling with out jerry cans. You really can't beat an old beater for wheeling.

  • @danaya6678
    @danaya6678 Před 2 lety +1

    What size tires were put on the Sahara?

  • @advbikerider
    @advbikerider Před 2 lety +1

    What's the total height of this build?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +1

      I'll be heading over there in the next couple of days I'll check. You want to know with the rtt I'm assuming?

  • @xHighxLife
    @xHighxLife Před 2 lety +1

    what drive shaft did they install?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +1

      It's a custom drive shaft from Pat's driveline in Surrey BC.

  • @Kxiong.1
    @Kxiong.1 Před rokem +1

    show you how much this shop care about your car when they start drop stock parts on the flood like it's their.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem +1

      The stock parts all go to the garbage. We can't sell them around here. Even free people don't take them.

    • @tonyk1amt806
      @tonyk1amt806 Před rokem +1

      Epic does a great job, the stock posts are just recycled so it doesn't matter if they get damaged in the process. Definitely where I'm going when I get lifted.

  • @4x4canadapodcast
    @4x4canadapodcast Před 2 lety +1

    So when are you getting one?

  • @canyonoverland5003
    @canyonoverland5003 Před 2 lety +3

    Can you plug in your electric coffee maker or fridge into the 4xe while camping? Or are the batteries exclusively for propulsion?

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +2

      Stay tuned for part 2 where we plug in as many things as we can to drai the battery! Lol I actually don't know. I'll check!

    • @waltersigona5642
      @waltersigona5642 Před 2 lety +2

      I've had a Dometic fridge plugged in for two weeks. The 400 volt 17 kilowatt battery will keep the 12 volt battery charged with a built in DC/DC charger. There is no reason to run a duel battery set up in a 4xe.

    • @robsolf
      @robsolf Před 2 lety +1

      It's limited in output like a standard 12V is, but it gets charged by the big battery, so it can go a good while before the ICE turns on.

    • @dstephan34
      @dstephan34 Před 5 měsíci

      I know I'm a bit late, but the 2024 model does exactly this with the new Power Box.

  • @rhekman
    @rhekman Před 2 lety +2

    4xE - Forksy?

  • @trevinated
    @trevinated Před 2 lety +1

    LOL It doesn't depend where you live.. It is 4 by e

  • @rhekman
    @rhekman Před 2 lety +1

    6:30 RIP headphone users.

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      I'm sorry! I should have double checked the audio level in that clip.

  • @overlandjeepxj
    @overlandjeepxj Před 2 lety +3

    boohoo. I'd rather get the diesel version

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety

      in terms of power and range, that's still the best platform i think....

    • @overlandjeepxj
      @overlandjeepxj Před 2 lety +1

      @@UnwindingRoads but if yr overlanding and want more weight in rear its not for everyone. ecodiesel imo is for me

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před 2 lety +1

      @@overlandjeepxj yes sorry I meant the ecodiesel is still the best platform. I think payload on the 4xe is only 850 lbs 😳

  • @DieselJLUx2
    @DieselJLUx2 Před rokem +1

    You lose a ton of space in the rear seat with the hybrid and you only get 25 miles to the charge… I have 2 Ecodiesel . 1 on 35s and 1 on 38s. They both get 25-30 mpg on the highway. Stock they get 31 highway. And they have more reliable power than the hybrid. This new hybrid is just a gimmick. Let me know when Jeep comes out with a full electric that has 400 mile range. Then we’ll talk. Lol

    • @UnwindingRoads
      @UnwindingRoads  Před rokem +1

      Locally gas just got more expensive than diesel again. I think the diesel is still the best option as well....

    • @callawaysc6065
      @callawaysc6065 Před rokem

      I test drove both the diesel and the 4XE. I was dead set on the diesel in blue because it had been out longer, but due to a few things I choose the 4XE. First, the difference in acceleration was much better in the 4XE. Car and Driver tested them both and the 4XE was a full two seconds faster to 0-60. That is significant and I felt it. Second, is the 4XE has more torque in general but at a lower RPM too since electric motors don't have to rev. I believe the specs have the 4XE over 30 pounds more torque which is a good bit. Third, most of our commutes are less than 30 miles a day. So we plug in when we go home and it cost $1.25 to charge it to go about 28 miles. In comparision, diesel cost $5.00 to go about 28 miles. That is significant over time...like 3.75 cents per DAY! Forth, with all the incentives, the 4XE was cheaper than the diesel I wanted. Fifth, if you add in the cost of diesel oil changes and DEF the difference in ownership is apparent. Right know we have 880 miles on the 4XE and have only used 6 gallons of gas, since we plug in daily and our commutes are usually under 30 miles. If I were driving over 60 miles a day, I would go with the 2.0T since it gets around 24 ish mpg and gas cost much less than diesel where I live. Everyones situation will be a little different.