The Forgotten NBA "Superteam" That Totally Collapsed
Vložit
- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- Let's take a look at the Dallas Mavericks superteam that lasted such a short amount of time before blowing up. Hope you enjoy!
I make all kinds of NBA videos which include analysis, player stories, countdowns, and mysteries. Make sure to leave a like and subscribe if you enjoyed this video!
► Twitter: @AndyHoopsYT
► Music:
On The Cool Side by Kevin MacLeod
Basic Implosion by Kevin MacLeod
Available under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license. Find all of his songs and download them for free here: incompetech.com
► Sources:
Stats and box-scores from Basketball-Reference.com, NBA.com, Statmuse.com
www.espn.com/blog/dallas/mave...
www.nytimes.com/2003/10/21/sp...
#nba - Sport
Walker still has the all time best quote. When asked why he shot so many 3s his answer was: Because there ain't no 4s! Lol
I remember that!! LOL
Now Marcus Smart inherited that.
I watched every game this season and have been a die hard Mavs fan since 1996. Jamison was a perfect fit, but really wanted to start. Walker was a bad fit who always took shots at the worst times, refused to pass when he needed to and was known as the guy every Mavs fan would scream “brick” at every time he shot the ball. Both players we really believed would help us reach the finals. In reality, we knew 15 games in that Walker would hold us back. Also: we loved Van Exel and his way too far back free throws as well as Lafrentz. They were Mavs full and through. Kinda like Dwight Powell and Jalen Brunson for the Mavs now.
I agree, watching them that whole season there were two thoughts in my head. One was I can’t believe Paul pierce carried the Celtics to the ecf in 2002 with walker as the second best player. 2. Mavs got to find a way to trade Antoine Walker because he’s literally the reason why they’re losing most of these games. At that point I never seen a player so mediocre in the three point line constantly jacking up threes, I believe he shot around 23 percent from that season or at least it felt like that. Jamison was very efficient when he was on the field, played better defense than walker, played less minutes and still scored more points. I believe if he just shot better from the free throw line he would’ve had a 50-40-90 season. Mavs undelivered mostly because of walker
Yea same here. I watch every game. I use to work at the AAC this season. Antoine Walker was so bad. Jameson was good but I hated losing Nick the Quick. I didn't care for Lafrentz so I didn't mind losing him. I remember how the Kings whooped our ass bad. It's like they was making everything. I think if we would've went after an athletic big instead of Walker then it would've worked out better
Speak for yourself I hate Powell
@@camarosforcharlie okay, all im saying is he is exactly the kind of player the Mavs love.
Actually antawn was not that bad. Antoine tho…
I never expected to hear the word “voluptuous” while watching an NBA video. That’s hilarious! Thanks Andy.
Yeah that needed a big Pause!!! 😆
🤣
GOAT comment
If walker played today...he would average 25ppg on 39% field goal with 70% of he's shots 3 pointers making 32% of those 3s
🤣🤣
Don Nelson was a great coach that was just too far ahead of his time
He was certainly an innovator, he laid the foundations for guys like Mike D’Antoni and Steve Kerr
Don Nelson had a system that was way ahead of it's time..
Don Nelson ran a system that was way ahead of its time.
Ahead of his time without the personnel to do it
@@Millennium00 Did you even watch the video? SMH
I can’t believe they broke that shit up still until this day you know Cuban regrets that shit. And trading van exel the best bench player they had was just absurd
I like that you said shit twice buddy.
I began loving the suns right before the pandemic but still it's sad even if that's what gave phoenix their best team ever
Dawg it wasn’t even a super team lmao it was a team that was all offense and couldn’t guard a lick
Finally some respect on this squad. Dallas Mavericks fan for life here and this squad never gets talked about as much just like our 2014 squad. Heavily underrated both squads
Everyone forgets they also got a great bench year from daniels and got the top pick josh howard who had a ok rookie year and delk was also on this team...a lot of scoring
Alternate title: "Andy Roasts Antoine Walker for 10 Minutes."
This made me do a little research. Antoine Walker is currently 48th all time in made 3s, but at 32.5% he has the worst percentage in the Top 50. Only 5 players have been shooting below 35% from 3 on their career among that group.
Kobe (32.9%, 20th), Jason Kidd (34.9%, 12th), LeBron (34.5%, 11th) and Jamal Crawford (34.8%, 8th).
Jason Kidd got way better at the end of his career though. Jason was actually a good shooter once he became a role player. When he was a superstar they called him Ason Kidd.
@@TRJ2241987 KIDD was a horrible shooter.
HIS FG% is a lie.
Its like GIANNIS...They let KIDD shoot alone thats why his FG% got better.
I distantly remember them putting that team together and then never hearing another word from them again. I never even realized they broke it up after only one season until now.
I remember someone saying at the beginning of that year: "Are the Mavs trying to score 140 PPG against opponents who will score 135 against them?!" Lol
They couldn't pay all those guys
Bro imagine prime Dirk with Steve Nash 🤯🤯🤯
True but they need a defensive coach
Imagine Dirk with a prime Jason Kidd😵💫
@@PROBENICCOMPS that would have been crazy to see.
Nash couldn't defend other than take charges
we cant tell since it didn't happen but Nash mvp years maximize fast phase, kick out to snipers like Johnson and Quintin, cutter like Marion and roller like Amare which Dirk and Finley were not..both were bucket getters on their own
so i think it wont work unless Nash will shoot more instead of focusing on passing
I remember this being a huge deal when it happened, even if it was overshadowed by the Lakers. Walker and Jamison being traded away by their respective teams was unexpected, but looks like those teams got the better end of those deals.
Not really but it's funny how both were gone after the 04 playoffs
*Walker was truly a voluptuous man.*
Ayyy fucking yo
Actually, Antoine and Antawn are pronounced differently. Also, Mark Cuban decided to can the alternate uniforms after a bad opening day loss against the Lakers on TNT.
I loved these early 2000s Mavs teams. Raef, Van Exel, Walt Williams, Finely, Najera
Wang Zhizhi 😆
I remember all of this. Everyone couldn't stand Antoine Walker here. He was air balling 3s and everything. Plus we lost Van Exel who was very good with the Mavs. I hate we lost Nash but everything worked out. We would've never gotten Jason Terry probably which is all time Mavs favorite
I remember when Walker was asked why he takes too many 3s, and his answer was "coz there ain't no 4" lol
@@erickp3003 😂😂😂😂 and what's messed up is he was on that 2006 Heat team that beat us. 🤦🏾♂️
@@leatherface964 lmao
Now Boston had Marcus Smarr. He is Antoine 2.0
cuban actually tried it again after they won the championship and got obsessed in wanting to sign dwight howard. he blew up the championship team to make space for howard,which was really an idiotic move. they could've won amother one with that championship roster. but he lost faith because of the age the players.
I love the channel Andy you da man bro!!!!
The ULTIMATE glass cannon plays for the Lakers this year lol
Man that's a team I will never forget... I remember being home from school dealing with an injury and reading about the Antoine Walker trade and my jaw dropped. Months before when they announced Van Exel was traded for Jamison after he showed out in the playoffs was another shocker. Not to mention a young Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels that team I thought was geared to win instantly
Not signing Tyson chandler after 2011 was the worse mistake
At about the 1:30 mark you say this team "set them back for years". That's far from true. That offseason they traded Jamison Jerry Stackhouse and Devin Harris, and Antoine Walker for Jason Terry. So all they did was retool and were back to being a contender again almost immediately... losing Nash for nothing was the biggest mistake of this era.
Also, the Mavs "losing" Raef Lafrentz in the deal for Antoine Walker was no loss. They had just given him a monster contract and they were already regretting the deal. Finding a team to take Lafrentz was seen as a steal, it certainly wasn't a huge loss. Yes, they needed a new center... but trading Lafrentz was far from a bad move.
Great video. I never knew about this superteam. Maybe if they didnt trade for Walker and tried to keep Van Exel, their ceiling would have been higher than that. In the other hand, i dont think they would have won with Nelson and his fast pace system. He was way ahead of his time as a coach, but c'mon, If the Suns didnt reach one finals with the 7 seconds or less offense, why the Mavs would have earned a championship with a similar system but way worse defense?
Same with my Kings back in those early 2000s with the Princeton offense
I doubt they would have gotten past the spurs or lakers but definitely a team that can make a finals appearance or win a title
53 like in your comment really shows how dumb fans are.
That wasnt a SUPERTEAM.
YOU JUST WROTE the opposite of what they should have done.
VAN EXEL and A.WALKER were trash players.
Because its not a superteam.
I think it was the system of the Mavs that held Steve Nash back.. Cause if they got the Phoenix Suns Steve Nash The Mavs would have multiple championships banners hanging right now..
nice vid andy, never heard of 2003 mavs and its superteam before. gr8 work, keep it up.
Not re-signing Nash in the 2004 off-season was one of the worst decisions Cuban ever made for the Mavs. Letting go of Nellie and Finley was also unpopular among fans. However, they did make a win-win trade with the Wizards for Jamison. They got back Jerry Stackhouse and the fifth pick in Devin Harris, who would later be flipped for Jason Kidd, who started for that 2011 championship team.
Yep Kidd was still getting like 9 assists a game in 2011
Don Nelson was a man before his time!!
Yea everyone acts like Steph Curry changed the game. They forgot who Steph's first NBA coach was.
@@leatherface964 you can only change the game if you dominated or won multiple rings. According to your logic, Steve Kerr should be the one getting the credit
I really love it and get excited everytime Andy makes videos about the past NBA instead of doing ones for the present era.
Andy with another classic!
I loved this video, you always come out with great topics.
Michael Finley is my favorite NBA player ever. Love that guy as a lifelong Mavs fan.
I enjoy Andy Hoops you touch NBA history ina way that makes us tune in im always learning something new
I loved this video
Could you make more videos about nba teams from the past?
As a mavs fan I would love to see a video on Josh Howard.
I thought when they made the trade for Jamison we were going to win it all, the we traded for walker and I just didn't understand why smh.
Great video man, keep'em coming 👏
People forget that 2006 Mavs team basically made the NBA Finals through the dreaded Western Conference with Dirk.... and Josh Howard as the 2nd best player. Josh Howard... Every year was supposed to be the year he really took a huge leap, but he never did. He wasn't bad, but was not a reliable #2 or even close to a star. Jason Terry on the other hand, he wasn't a super star player either, but the man was reliable & could put a team on his back.
@@corey2232 josh howard was a star that season also Jason terry was good
@@tj5180 He wasn't a "star," just a solid starter that was constantly supposed to take the next step & become one.
His best season in 2007-2008, he averaged nearly 20 points, on .455 FG% & 7 rebounds. He had 2 other seasons with 18 point avgs, but never reached that again.
He never stayed healthy, only played in 70 or more games 3 times in 12 seasons (never hit 80 once), didn't continue to improve, etc. I liked him, but he failed to reach the high expectations.
@@corey2232 he was a star caliber and a good starter if u wanna say that but I agree. He got to the problems even that famous video of him disrespecting the anthem and partying during the playoffs in 2009 or 08 I believe when they lost agaisnt the Hornets with cp3.
Most people only consider it a Superteam if they win but they are plenty of examples of when it didn’t work. This team was the exception where it wasn’t because of age or injuries
I swear I subbed to you years ago, I loved the content then I still love it now
I remember this team. And them battling against my Kings when they were competitive
Mavs were pretty lucky Webber tore his ACL in the WCSF. Keep in mind the Kings without him took the Mavs to game 7 despite Webber getting injured in game 2
Yup. Kings were the cream of the crop it all came crashing down after C-Webb.
Webber actually tore his meniscus not his acl and also got micro fracture knee surgery to fix his torn articulate cartilage in his knee.
All right Andy Hoops Wednesday video YESSIR !!!!! Let’s get it on 💯💯💯💯💯💯👏👏👏👏👏👏
Hearing Broussard's voice on his take on the Mavs 😁
Amazing content
Love your channel
Can't wait for the future "2022 Laker super team failure" video to come out
Excellent content as always. You should do a story on the Derrick Rose MVP season and afterwards to show how the team was dismantled or gotten older.
I was a pretty big Mavs fan since the late 90's. I hated these moves, they didn't address any of the issues the team suffered from, like perimeter defense and offensive rebounding. Without Nick, when Nash had to sit, nobody on the floor was a game manager or general, and Eduardo Najera's reduction of minutes hurt the intangibles he brought.
Let me get this straight Steve Nash was part of 2 supposed superteams and they both underperform
When the teams biggest flaw was u not having the ball enough, i think that actually speaks to ur greatness as a pg.
Too many guys needed the ball. Nash didnt have the ball enough. Big problem.
And with LA it was his injuries.
Chill.
Lol nash was done by the time he was in la and this wasn't his fault In Dallas
No disrespect to Steve I'm just saying it's impressive that he was good enough for him to make the super team by him being there
I saw this team when I was in high school as I really liked the Mavs at the time. Was excited for the Jamison addition as I felt he was a missing piece while the Walker acquisition left me perplexed. This was the year Jamison won 6th man of the year. LaFrentz was a decent big that can score some (which extends to the 3 pt range) and block shots, they sorely missed that. They usually had Dirk or Danny Fortson (undersized for the spot then but capable) at center. Ended up being an underwhelming season along with those awful jerseys.
Looks like those jerseys seemed up their experimental season lol.
@@TORULEZ10 those brown jersies they had🤢🤮
I really hope Andy can do more 2000s NBA what if’s and pieces of trivia cause those are very insightful
damn bruh few days back watched some of their clips back 03-04 season and now this!
Mark Cuban learned as an executive big time from 2002-2004 that less is more. They actually did better in team record from 2005-2007 when they stripped the talent and allowed Dirk to thrive at his peak, with a lesser known coach from Nelson to Avery coaching the squad.
For what it's worth, Cuban's intelligence and Dirk's bball ability will always be one of the greatest executive-player duos in league history, something typically unexpected from fans, but it resulted in a ring against one of the most talented teams ever in 2011.
The GOAT Uploaded again
BRO THIS TEAM IS WHY IM A MAVS FAN NOW, THE REAL BIG THREE OMG
Not gonna front "glass cannon" has got me cracking up.🤣
I still wish I could've seen the Dallas Big 3 of Nash, Finley, and Dirk succeed as Champions.
I totally agree with you Andy Hoops
My all time mavs team
Starters:
Pg steve nash
Sg luka doncic
Sf michael finley
Pf dirk
C shawn bradley
2nd unit
Pg jason kidd
Sg jason terry
Sf jerry stackhouse
Pf kristaps
C tyson chandler
3rd unit
Pg devin harris
Sg josh howard
Sf shawn marion
Pf brandan wright
C erick dampier
Ohh mann, this line up is way ahead of its time... Love this team ❤️❤️❤️
People forget they also got a good rookie year from a high draft pick they managed to get from a past trade in josh howard to add to a good team plus a great year from free agent marquis daniels...the 04 mavs had tony delk as well...the fact they failed makes no sense on paper
Antoine Walker won the NBA Championship first in 2006 against his former team Mavericks.
Don Nelson eliminate his former team Mavericks in 2007 1st round, while coaching the 8th seeded Warriors
Antawn Jamison also become 2-Time All-Star while playing with the Wizards
And lastly, Steve Nash won 2 MVP while playing in the Suns
What's sad is after being fired, Don Nelson got the last laugh, as he went to Golden State, implemented that small ball play, then accomplished the greatest first round upset in NBA history KO'ing the #1 seed, best record in the NBA Mavs with MVP Dirk...
Dirk got the last laugh with a ring 💍
@@jasonsandhu3760 *Against the Heat
So glad it was against the Heat too, especially the "super team" version! Dirk completely dominated that entire playoff run, and capping it off vs the Heat was the best storybook ending
😁
@@corey2232 as a lifelong dirk fan having waited 13 yrs for that and the way he did it and the people he beat with the team he had ... That ring weighs more then any other ring since hakeems 94 ring. Cherished moment for all maverick and dirk fans truly.
@@jasonsandhu3760 100% agreed! Out of all my favorite teams from any sports, Dirk & that Mavs team are the only ones who won a championship, & that feeling was amazing! Nobody deserved it more than Dirk!
Now if only my Bills would ever win a Super Bowl, I'd fully be at peace 😆
Yeah I don’t think Mavs fans care in hindsight. They ended up winning a ring, it probably humbled them. It’s not like it was a WCF or anything. Shit it happened this year with the Bucks and Grizz. Nelly never won his ring and eventually he couldn’t even get a job as a HC.
That team in this era would dominate 👈🏾
I'm a huge Dallas fan but I think that team were better in that era. If you insert them today, there will be a a big defense issue. Players today are more skilled and way more athletic that will exploit their weakness which is defense. Even bad teams today run the same offensive schemes that Dallas were running in that era.
Cuban did it again with the Kyrie trade, giving up solid talent in the hopes that two superstars, who both needed the ball to be effrctive, would click.
Mike Bibby is so underrated
Dang that Mavs squad and Lakers is staaaaaaaaacked and fans think super teams only started recently.
Boyband Mavs definitely fun to watch!
Those weren't superteams..Malone and Payton were at the end of their career. And I love Finley and Jamison, but Antoine Walker was a very inefficient player, those were talented teams, not super teams.
This was my fav team back in the day!
I didn't forget this team it's still one of my favorites
One small but very big mistake at the same time is that he called Jamison Antoine when it is actually Antawn!
Wow i remember those King teams my goodness they were fun and really talented...Too bad the refs cost them a championship cause they're right up there with one of the best teams to not make a finals.
That was a talented team man.
Webber, Peja, Christie, Bibby, Divac, Hedo... good times.
Did you forget how don Nelson owned the mavsb as the 8th seed?
Yep, because he built that team and knew all their weaknesses lol. Kinda like how Jon Gruden annihilated the Raiders in the 2003 Super Bowl. Student vs Master. It's too bad the Warriors that year would go on to lose to the underwhelming Jazz in the 2nd round.
Cuban still never learned. Letting go of Tyson Chandler after winning the 2011 title was disastrous, but he was eying Dwight Howard in 2012 or 2013 (depending on whether Dwight took the player option year on his contract, which he did; the Lakers trade in July 2012 happened soon after). Dallas will always be best with homegrown talent. Letting go of Jalen Brunson and later dealing for Kyrie Irving was also a big mistake. Trading for Rajon Rondo was terrible, especially since they gave up Jae Crowder to make it happen.
The problem with this team is they added too many guys that needed the ball (Walker and jamison) and that resulted in one of the best pgs in the league with the ball in his hands at the time (yes. Even back in dallas) in Steve Nash making less decisions , even tho he is more than capable playing off ball. His game is compromised now and he goes from all nba to missing all star selection to Sam Casell. Then in the offseason cuban kinda blames Nash and also looks at age and health history and low balls him in the offseason.
Dirk playing the 5 also wasn't a good idea, as well as not shooting as much , because again theres only so many shots to go around, was all bad.
Overall it was doomed. Bad bad roster management. Antoine Walker was just so bad and such a bad fit lol. Jamison actually fit ok.
Also their defense
FINALLY a great comment.
ITs hard to see someone writing good things this days.
Fans think that you just need to put STARTS together and that works.
Specially when those arent really stars but MARKETING stars.
Players that need the ball and because they play on bad teams they shoot a lot without going to the bench.
A.Walker was horrible, the 2 previous seasons he was a horrible 38% and 39% shooter.
His stats were just a result of playing over 40 minutes and shooting 20 times a game.
Horrible fit to play with DIRK because DIRK wasnt a rebounder or a real center, he was more like a SF then a CENTER.
DALLAS management was horrible.
IN a couple of years they ruined NASH and DIRK prime time by adding MARKETING OLD stars who werent really good.
They had NASH but were still looking to play with 2 PG at the same time.
N.V.EXEL 6,1ft playing SG and T.Hardway , all volume shooters.
M.Finley was also a scorer who wanted the ball all the time.
I am obsessed with the "What if" Steve Nash stayed with the Mavs. Dirk and Nash, and a good rim protector, and then surround them with 3 and D guys. I guess I gotta make it happen in 2k. :D
@@onlyfacts3178 Dallas management still is bad.
I'm really shocked they did the Walker trade because few weeks before the trade they already have Jamison.
Maaaaan I low-key forgot about this trio
The best defender(in plus minus values) was DIRK😱That's why they failed
I love Dirk, but they're fizucked if he's their best defender
Exactly.... They might as well just went home.
“Michael Finley was god-awful.”
Your delivery of that line got me good. 🤣🤣🤣
My wife was walking past when you dropped the voluptuous line. She saw what I was watching gave me a look and walked off shaking her head.
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If dirk didn’t get injured they might’ve won
They definitely would’ve won the chip. Who went to the finals in the East the nets?
@@isaiahhunt7260 correct
@@chewyyo3383 they was in the WCF against the spurs in 2003 lol what are you on about
@@chewyyo3383 you on something ? It was 2003 lol
@@chewyyo3383 of they ain't beating them. The lakers are already done lol
You should make a video about relocation rumours going around right now. From what i’ve seen looks like the pelicans and grizzlies may be moving in the next few years
Never forget the Game 6 2003 choke
That 2003 team was so close to glory 🤠
Remember when Chris Broussard was good at analyzing on 🏀?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
He still is.
funny how the exact same thing happened with the mavs this season. Traded for kyrie but gave away their defense and have no competent big man or defensive anchor.
Sorta. Except THIS mavs team had even less talent and/or assets. Mark has back tracked as an owner, he is short sighted AF! That old team still won 52 games and was upset in the first round. 52 games is usually top 3 seed.
Hey Andy can you do a video on how good was Kieth Van Horn?
4:20 I thought Nelly was the precursor of the GSW smallball style, didn't know he was also the same for the Rockets with Tucker as the center 🤣
He was, and he upset the Mavs a couple years later in the first round as the 8th seed GSW beating the 1st seed Mavs
The fact that two of the best passers steve nash and jason kidd both played for the mavs
can you make a video of whos 'the best home game for a season'
Will there be a video on the Lakers’ struggles
If you could make a video on Iverson and Webber, even how the 2nd AI came into play 😅
Nice video. Seen the team, they were never a threat in the west conference because at the time it was infested with tough teams. Also the east was tough also and the Pistons were at the spotlight.
Lol Mavs was two games from the finals that same year ... Smh 🙄
@@jasonsandhu3760 check again. 2003-2004 season. Shaking my head my ass. What you talkin' about? 2 games from the finals? Haha. You really have to do research. Lol my ass.
Those were some good Dallas teams.
If that team had a descent rebounding center, they could have been awesome, instead their centers were often posterized
For sure if Dirk didn’t get injured for sure , they would’ve actually made it to the NBA Finals 💯💯💯💯💯
And beat the nets.
That was the year before
Man would Antoine Walker love playing today. His skill set was made for this modern nba. While not as physical I see him being like a Julius Randle type.
That guy always pops out when I’m eating 😭
This team does get an insane pass
Hello Andy
The Big 3 of Nash, Finley, and Dirk was dynamic. They were going crazy every game, but thy just couldn't get past Timmy and the Spurs
What if Dirk didn't get hurt in '03?
Still the same results
@@jamesbartee6184 The Mavs still would of lost to the Spurs. Maybe they will push it to a game 7 but their problem in their big 3 era is that they had great offense but poor defense and not great rim protectors.
They did in 06 and 09 just saying
Hell spurs almost lost game 6 to Dallas without dirk, Steve Kerr had to hit 5 threes at the end. Dirk would have been back game 7 and they would’ve had a ring. 1st in offense, 4th in defense? That team was stacked. The next year was a joke because of Walker.
It was nice having a coach that was down to Earth and not just down to being a jerk to everyone for a decade plus
Please talk about the Linton Johnson III’s career
80s mavs so undrrrated
Steve Nash was a total liability on defense, and Dirk was below average on defense, so it's no surprise to me that they never won together.
Wow ok I don’t remember this team good shit