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The Absolute Worst Scientist Of All Time - And Why He’s Popular Again

  • čas přidán 20. 02. 2024
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    Few scientists have caused more death and suffering than Trofim Lysenko. He was a Soviet botanist whose ideas around genetics (i.e., he didn’t believe in it) led to massive famines across multiple decades when Josef Stalin promoted his ideas across the country. And yet… He’s becoming popular again. Why? Let’s look at it.
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    0:00 - Intro
    1:50 - The Great Purge
    4:38 - Trofim Lysenko
    6:45 - Trofim's Beliefs
    9:50 - The Beginning of the End of Lysenko
    12:45 - Epigenetics
    15:00 - Sponsor - Brilliant
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  • @vanadyan1674
    @vanadyan1674 Před 6 měsíci +2551

    My Mom used the starving people in Africa line once, I asked her to name two of them and got my ass beat. Good times.

    • @stargatis
      @stargatis Před 6 měsíci +201

      I always asked for an envelope so I could send food

    • @CrescentUmbreon
      @CrescentUmbreon Před 6 měsíci +94

      Dang you were a sharp sassy one haha

    • @RealBradMiller
      @RealBradMiller Před 6 měsíci +19


    • @wild360
      @wild360 Před 6 měsíci +12


    • @ChemEDan
      @ChemEDan Před 6 měsíci +77

      @@stargatis My mom would've gotten a box and sent me instead

  • @debbiehenri345
    @debbiehenri345 Před 6 měsíci +289

    My mother used the 'Starving children in Africa' version.
    It wasn't that I didn't like the food she made, it was the quantity she put on the plate, starting the threats when I was so full I felt sick.
    It didn't matter how much I told her I was full, she would threaten to backhand me - her ringed fingers like knuckledusters. (I bet many a person on this comments section knows exactly what it's like to get a sharp engagement ring slapped across the cheek).
    Looking around at the high number of partly finished kids meals in my local café, I would say that 90% of people just don't understand that a child can get by on a lot less food than they generally put on their plates.
    As a consequence of my mother's bullying tactics, I decided to parent 'differently.' From the beginning, I would put just a small amount of food on my son's plate and instructed him to 'tell' me 'if' he wanted some more.
    He has never had any food issues during his life so far (age 28), maintaining a good, steady average weight throughout - unlike me who has zipped up and down the scales due to crash diets and binges.

    • @tentaclesmod
      @tentaclesmod Před 5 měsíci +33

      That's terrible. Both your mother's abuse (yes, that is abuse), and your weight fluctuation. Being fat is bad for the body, but is actually preferable to changing weight frequently. It puts more stress in your body than being overweight, so you might consider settling for being overweight instead of that, although ideally a slow but steady diet would be best.

    • @thehamsterarmy2380
      @thehamsterarmy2380 Před 4 měsíci +14

      I was always beaten severely and forced to stay at the table until I finished. If I didn't, beaten again. I was shamed and ridiculed by my family for being skinny and forcefed mysekf until skinny fat, so still a size zero just very unhealthy fat percentage. At 18 I accepted myself and stopped. Still a size 0 but I don't hate my body or food. Thank you for treating your child so wonderfully

    • @MeeplandHeights
      @MeeplandHeights Před 4 měsíci +14

      As a nutritionist I am so glad you learned from your childhood and gave your child a good foundation for healthy eating. If you give a good variety of healthy (and of course indulgent) foods, you'll be able to self-manage and eat responsibly. A lot of people have quite messed up hunger cues because they're taught that bloat=full which causes stomachs to stretch out over the years needing more and more food. My husband had to relearn when he met me and now is able to eat much happier and even say no when more food is offered if it'll make him feel sick :)

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Your parenting is a lot better. I grew up with a sort of mixture of the two. Like your son, I was served a little, I would have to ask for more myself. But I was obliged to eat whatever I put on my plate. And if I did change my mind, the response could be that in other places children were starving, so I shouldn't waste my own food. And certainly there was no desert for me if I didn't finish the main dish. I couldn't ditch 3 potatoes in favour of having room for icecream. Then I shouldn't have taken so many potatoes in the first place. I can only remember twice that I had no room for desert. I learned to take on my plate only what I needed, when it was needed.
      My childhood, and on occasion having tried to starve during long travels, has taught me always to eat my food, on my plate as well as in my home. Food I can't eat now, I keep for later. I never throw away good food. And I hardly have any food disposals at all. I only have, and prepare, what I eat.

    • @jacquelynsmith2351
      @jacquelynsmith2351 Před 3 měsíci +5

      If my dad was out of town and I didn't eat fast enough, my food was put in the blender and I had to drink that or tabasco sauce. If he was in town, I was allowed to toss it once I'd eaten enough. I thought he was aware, but he found out just a couple of years ago and was PISSED. If he still spoke to my mom or had her phone number, shit would've hit the fan even though I'm in my 30s. My sisters and I have all had to reassess our relationships with food over the years. Even now, I feel awful if I don't eat every last scrap of food on my plate. With my sisters' kids, "take another bite of the veggies, then you can be done" is pretty much it when they want to stop eating.

  • @antonstezhkin5991
    @antonstezhkin5991 Před 3 měsíci +31

    There is a legend about Lysenko and Landau (a Soviet physicist). Landau asked "if we cut off the right ear of a horse for many generations, at some point we'll get a breed of horses born without the right ear?" Lysenko answered that was true. "And how does your theory explain virgins?" Landau replied

  • @persephonejames8374
    @persephonejames8374 Před 6 měsíci +178

    I read about the chinese famine in the book Wild Swans. The author was a child in china at the time. She talks about the horrific things her parents witnessed and how even though they were well off for the time, her parents still starved themselves to keep the children full. The things that happened during that famine were appalling

    • @jacktheaviator4938
      @jacktheaviator4938 Před 5 měsíci +20

      The truly horrible part is that's only the tiny part we know about. There were repeated famines and crop shortages throughout the 20th and 21st century, but it never gets reported. The average height dropped by 2 to 3 centimeters in height for multiple generations. That doesn't occur from one short 2 year problem. It's a systematic means of control through denial of resources. There have been some truly horrific tales coming from the Muslim minority population.

    • @susantherestorer
      @susantherestorer Před 3 měsíci +4

      This is an amazing three-generation account from one family-grandmother, mother and then the author herself. Because of this multi-generation linear account, we get a much more full idea of the way this chunk of China's history came about and why it is the way it is today. One of the saddest things mentioned (among many, many others) was the amount of China's written history that was destroyed at that time (the 1960's) by Red Guards under Mao's dictatorship.

    • @IdgaradLyracant
      @IdgaradLyracant Před 3 měsíci

      "All that is a lie fabricated by capitalists." - American Schools

    • @john-ic5pz
      @john-ic5pz Před 2 měsíci +2

      I saw her give a reading at Prairie Lights bookstore in Iowa City. amazing stories and an impressive woman...she didn't seem to be bitter or resentful an was generally well grounded for a writer 😋. it was hard to listen to because she was there and experienced it this emoted the experience as she read.

  • @McChes
    @McChes Před 6 měsíci +432

    In the UK my mum used the “starving children in Africa” line. But there were actually children starving in Biafra at the time, so she kind of had a point.

    • @p.bckman2997
      @p.bckman2997 Před 6 měsíci +24

      Heard that all the time too, and used to tell my own children the same thing when they wouldn't eat their greens. The Sahel Belt has been an on-and-off humanitarian crisis for decades though, so "starving children in Africa"-line is sadly correct.

    • @ukraine5721
      @ukraine5721 Před 6 měsíci +14

      Ukraine is an agricultural country and produced grain for the entire USSR, and the USSR was a major grain escort abroad
      Even with an inefficient farming system, there was enough food in Ukraine to support itself
      The USSR created repressive laws such as the "Law of Spikelets" which prohibited the use of available grain and required food coupons
      Even before the famine, as of May 17, 1932, there were no flour reserves in Ukraine, as evidenced by the resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "On Measures to Implement the Resolutions of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks on Food Aid to Ukraine": out of 6.5 million poods of grain released to Ukraine, the Politburo requested that 1.5 million be imported in flour, "in view of the complete absence of flour reserves in Ukraine."
      it was taken away from ukraine
      Not only grain, but also other foodstuffs, including food surrogates that were of little use and unfit for consumption. Not all peasants died of starvation when the procurement agencies pumped out all the bread, as even the poorest peasant households had other foodstuffs left over. The picture changed when the state resorted to confiscating food from all "debtors," i.e., the authorities carried out a terror of starvation against the "debtors." It was the confiscation of all food that caused the famine to turn into the Holodomor.
      Stalin had an obsessive idea that Ukrainians were hiding grain or living too richly, and he decided to kill them.
      (or he was a Ukrainophobe)
      The NKVD army surrounded the border along Russia and Belarus to restrict people from traveling, because the famine was only in the Hetnic lands of Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
      Timothy Snyder, an American historian and professor at Yale University, talks about this in the 15th lecture of his course on Ukraine czcams.com/video/1dy7Mrqy1AY/video.html.
      Of course, such repressive laws were passed not in Ukraine, but in the capital of the USSR, Moscow.
      You can also see more details in the Ukrainian video. CZcams Channel - Toronto TV

    • @krashd
      @krashd Před 6 měsíci +10

      Yeah, I remember my mum using the Africa line, it was because we all knew about places like Ethiopia thanks to charity telethons. The "starving children in Africa" line then gave birth to dozens of politically incorrect jokes like "What's the fastest thing on Earth? .. an Ethiopian with a can of beans. What's the second fastest? The other Ethiopian chasing him with a can opener."

    • @peepeetrain8755
      @peepeetrain8755 Před 6 měsíci +4

      pretty sure somalia is going through a famine right now so it's still relevant

    • @lars_larsen
      @lars_larsen Před 6 měsíci +4

      these days I mostly keep hearing a "starving pensioners in the UK" line.

  • @michaelrichter9427
    @michaelrichter9427 Před 6 měsíci +165

    When I was brought up, the "starving children in China" line was the attack vector used by most parents. Then I come here and my wife was told *in the same time frame* that *she* had to eat up because there were "starving children in capitalist countries" who wished they could have it.

    • @alexp6832
      @alexp6832 Před 4 měsíci

      Yeah but what capitalist county had a great famine that killed tens of millions

    • @davidjacobs8558
      @davidjacobs8558 Před 3 měsíci

      what if they didn't starve?
      the population problem in China would be incredibly worse, even compare to current situation.

    • @Heathcoatman
      @Heathcoatman Před 3 měsíci +1

      Where is here? North Korea?

    • @ytcensorhack1876
      @ytcensorhack1876 Před 3 měsíci +4

      North korea, home of such foods as coffee (b4 this americans just drank cups of snow) or hamburgers (invented by kim jung il personally)

    • @Heathcoatman
      @Heathcoatman Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@ytcensorhack1876 He said "but when I came here". Since here isnt a specific place, it's subjective, it was a valid question. BTW, Kim Jung Il also invented the planet, so we should all be thanking him.

  • @mastergecko1178
    @mastergecko1178 Před 6 měsíci +669

    My grandfather lived through the great famine in China, he told me that there were no birds in the sky and you won’t hear any crickets, frogs or cicadas during summer nights because people ate all of them or else they’d starve to death. There were also dead trees everywhere since people started eating the tree barks when they run out of stuff like rats and bugs to eat, those were some harrowing times.

    • @charlow1
      @charlow1 Před 6 měsíci

      Mao ordered all the birds killed so they wouldn’t eat any crops..result? Insect pests proliferated.

    • @marcpym5251
      @marcpym5251 Před 6 měsíci +143

      The fact that Mao blamed the famine on an overpopulation of sparrows to disguise his own mistakes led to sparrow hunt events, where millions of birds were killed. That, in turn, created a plague of locusts in the following season that killed the rest of the crops and eradicated other healthy insect populations. So that might also be a factor why your grandfather said he didn't hear any birds or crickets in that time.

    • @mastergecko1178
      @mastergecko1178 Před 6 měsíci +53

      @@marcpym5251 Not just sparrows people back then were eating any wild birds they could catch, if they can’t get the birds they’ll just look for nests and eat the eggs, that’s how bad it was. My grandfather said he saw people falling to their death because they were climbing the tallest trees in his town in hopes of finding eggs in the bird’s nest that are too tall for others to reach.

    • @McCurtainCounty8888
      @McCurtainCounty8888 Před 6 měsíci

      I am CERTAINLY NOT an authority on China, I vacationed there once and saw or heard almost no wildlife, I saw a few wild birds once other than that, nothing

    • @richardfan7157
      @richardfan7157 Před 6 měsíci +33

      Unfortunately China has a long history of poor farming methods as a result of its late industrialization. Tens of millions died during the Taiping Rebellion during the 19th century due to famines. Even during the Republican era, there were cases of villages fighting against each other, bandits and warlords stealing food, families having more children that they could feed etc that led to several regional famines. Famines come in cycles, and while there are natural influences behind the Great Famine, it is no doubt exacerbated by Mao's policies. While he was a good at planning military struggles, he really had no business managing the economy with ridiculous ideas like planning seeds together and deeper, melting household metals to produce steel etc in a deluded effort to industrialize, but only produced failed harvests and worthless iron. While the USSR abandoned Lysenkoism under Khrushchev, it remained influential in China for a few more years due to the Sino-Soviet Split.

  • @problemimentali
    @problemimentali Před 6 měsíci +262

    When my parents told me about the starving kids in Africa I always thought “how does me eating this help? Give it to them then!”. I still believe that’s the most logical answer

    • @loganwolfram4216
      @loganwolfram4216 Před 6 měsíci +20

      Well, first you've got to transport it thousands of miles away, probably across an ocean, into a country with very few refrigerated trucks and terrible infrastructure. Then you've got to avoid it being stolen by local watlords or organized crime. And even if you succeed at that, you haven't fixed the underlying problem that people in that region can't sustain thenselves and will immediately start starving again the moment people from another continent stop shipping them food at enormous expense. If you actually want to help people, better to ask "why were they starving in the first place and how might I fix THAT" rather than giving them food. That's why, after hundreds of billions of dollars thrown at the problem, there are still starving children. If it was so simple as "well give them some food then, idiots!" it would have been solved ages ago.
      I think it's actually a lot less scary and depressing to assume people in wealthier countries are just greedy and heartless and don't care. Acknowledging that the problem is actually difficult enough that people have tried everything that's commonly suggested and failed is a lot scarier.

    • @holy3979
      @holy3979 Před 6 měsíci +14

      ​@@loganwolfram4216Basically the issue with most government handouts, they don't solve the fundamental issues, just address the symptoms at an extreme cost.

    • @lonestarr1490
      @lonestarr1490 Před 6 měsíci +25

      @@holy3979 Which is still better than doing nothing, if solving the fundamental issues is not an option.

    • @b22times
      @b22times Před 5 měsíci

      okay can you cover my rent from now on then?@@lonestarr1490

    • @AD_AP_T
      @AD_AP_T Před 3 měsíci +1

      I did the same - repeatedly, and never understood why it always resulted in a smack.
      I wonder when the China-Africa switch happened, and if it was the same everywhere. (I don't remember my grandparents ever referencing starving children in China, though they did occasionally use outdated versions of other phrases...)

  • @Captaintomacus
    @Captaintomacus Před 6 měsíci +23

    Vavilov was an absolute hero, he knew that Lysenko's theories would lead to starvation so he argued against them even though going against stalin was a death sentence. He also came up with the idea for the seed bank and set one up in st Petersburg.

  • @garretlevi
    @garretlevi Před 6 měsíci +166

    The great famine in China largely happened because Mao would require unrealistic productivity (like in yhe USSR) but since China is a face-saving culture, the local government leaders would lie about their numbers. Then Mao, thinking there was a surplus of food, exported huge amounts to other countries. It was a classic example of how disasterous centralized planning can be.

    • @Fritz_Schlunder
      @Fritz_Schlunder Před 4 měsíci

      I think the main problem described has to do with lies, rather than centralized planning. Non-centralized planning based systems also have the potential to fail spectacularly in various ways when relying on lies. Garbage in = garbage out.
      Basically, lies destabilize the future. When someone relies on a lie to make decisions that will effect the future, those decisions are inevitably sub-optimal when based on trashy and/or intentionally incorrect input data. This typically results in sub-optimal outcomes, sometimes spectacularly so.
      At the moment, it would appear that the US government is probably lying about employment numbers and economic health. Some of the economic numbers that they are publishing do not make sense anymore and are not self consistent. If one pays attention to Joe Biden's speeches and Twitter account postings, he would basically have you believe that "Bidenomics" is working great, the economy is in excellent health, the economic future of the US is bright, unemployment is low, jobs creation is strong, everything about Biden's handling of things is profoundly awesome, etc.
      In actual reality, the US government most likely is lying about economic numbers, and the economy is not as strong as they claim, due to the natural consequences of high inflation due to COVID-19 policy associated money printing, followed by high interest rates. Consequently, many people are being squeezed and are having a hard time paying their bills, largely due to eroded purchasing power due to major inflation, and partly because of general economic weakness. Such conclusions would not be obvious if one trusts and believes the US government's "official" economic numbers and narrative, which paints an abnormally rosy picture.
      Meanwhile, the US Federal Reserve (the "Fed") is seemingly relying on the lying US government economic narrative (of a strong economy, with high employment, and good future outlook), and they appear to be trusting this false narrative, so much so that they have jacked up the interest rates very rapidly and quite far. The Fed appears to be assuming that the economy actually is strong and can handle the increased headwinds associated with high interest rates.
      In practice, this is likely a very wrong conclusion, based on trusting the economic and labor statistic lies of the US government. It may be that the high interest rates, combined with the weak overall economy, combined with already distressed banks (due to the Fed also removing money from the M2 money supply by way of shrinking its "balance sheet"), combined with other actions (like turning back on student loan repayments), could lead to widespread debt defaults and possible banking failure. The Fed may be setting the US up for major economic instability and probable catastrophe, and they are either doing it due to profound incompetence, unintentional but still major incompetence (due to relying on economic number lies of the US government), and/or intentional malfeasance.
      It may be that the US government and the US Fed actively and intentionally want people to be poor, so that they consume less energy, so as to reduce CO2 emissions, in an effort to try to help "solve" looming climate change related problems. Joe Biden has claimed in at least one speech that he considers climate change to be a bigger overall concern, than nuclear war.

    • @TueSorensen
      @TueSorensen Před 4 měsíci +24

      But the problem isn't necessarily centralized planning, but the face-saving culture!

    • @Abioticwinter
      @Abioticwinter Před 4 měsíci

      China just like the USSR didn't and doesn't give a damn about people. North Korea doesn't either. Their leaders all have food.

    • @jamesp3902
      @jamesp3902 Před 3 měsíci +34

      Mao caused the famine. Selling the food was incidental to all the other causes.
      Mao pushed agricultural collectivization and placed military leaders in charge. These leaders had little to no knowledge of agriculture.
      Mao pushed the farmers to plant more than one rice crop a year, even when he was told the weather didn’t support it.
      Mao ordered deeper plowing of the soil, which destroyed the topsoil.
      Mao ordered farmers to plant seeds closer together - not allowing them the breathing space they needed.
      Mao ordered the killing of birds (sparrows) because they ate grain seeds. According to FEE, “In what is one of the most bizarre and ecologically damaging episodes of the Great Leap Forward, the country was mobilized in an all-out war against the birds. Banging on drums, clashing pots or beating gongs, a giant din was raised to keep the sparrows flying till they were so exhausted that they simply dropped from the sky. Eggs were broken and nestlings destroyed; the birds were also shot out of the air.” Without birds, the locusts and grasshoppers were free to devour crops.
      Mao militarized agriculture with forced military-like routines for farming.
      Human waste was used as fertilizer.
      Farming tools were melted down for steel, disabling production.

    • @Heathcoatman
      @Heathcoatman Před 3 měsíci +16

      @@jamesp3902 Amazing how much these things sound like Lysenko's ideas. Isnt it funny how two people can come to the same conclusion? It's almost like Mao was basing these choices on the ideas of Lysenko. Coincidence, right?

  • @rachelwebber3605
    @rachelwebber3605 Před 5 měsíci +97

    Interestingly, there are some crops that actually DO grow best when crowded, like wheat and corn. If you try to plant your corn in rows too far apart, you won't get any heads because they are only pollinated by wind, but not very well. They have to be grown in clusters to get properly fertilized. And of course, the famous "Three Sisters" polyculture is very crowded, because each hole has three seeds in it: Corn, bean, and squash. It's amazingly effective, keeps the soil from drying out (squash leaves cover the bare soil, preventing water and CO2 loss), the beans add nitrogen to the soil (when the plants died back, they were often left to rot in situ, which is how atmospheric N2 gets reincorporated into the soil), and fruits from the three plants provided almost a complete protein profile (add some wild game, and you've got your missing B12). That sort of polyculture also reduced the need for weeding, as its harder for weeds to grow when almost all the available sun space was taken up. It also reduced some insect pests, as it's harder for them to locate squash and beans amidst the corn. But some fungal diseases could spread more rapidly if there was too much rain late in the season. However, this sort of careful polyculture was not a part of Lysenko's repertoire, and he likely would have rejected them, as they came from "The West" (Courtesy of many Eastern Woodlands nations in North America).

    • @emilala9049
      @emilala9049 Před 5 měsíci +17

      It's the same with the cows, treating them better will net you some gains regarding milk production and weight for meat. They aren't unlimited and they don't pass down genetically. You just get a modest, limited gain for your efforts and it makes you a more ethical producer when you treat your animals better.

    • @rachelwebber3605
      @rachelwebber3605 Před 5 měsíci +10

      @@emilala9049 Very true! Paying attention to the ecological niche and behavioral ecology of the organism you're trying to raise - be it plant or animal - often times increases your gains. But the key thing is, YOU have to make an effort to adapt to THEM. Some stress is good and can increase adaptability, but overstressing the organism (like keeping cows in overcrowded CAFOs, or planting seeds too deep) is generally bad for the organism and reduces gains.

    • @karlwithak.
      @karlwithak. Před 4 měsíci +1

      You can also skip all that and simply pollinate with drones and lay fertilizer down regularly...a superior way to ensure consistent plant growth and quality.

    • @rachelwebber3605
      @rachelwebber3605 Před 4 měsíci +9

      @@karlwithak. Ignoring ecology has never worked out for very long in agriculture. The gains we made in production during the "green revolution" are now almost entirely mitigated by evolutionary adaptation by various crop pests, and fertilizer is getting more expensive because we may be running out of phosphorus - which, unlike oil, we have no alternatives to. It's the second most limiting nutrient for plants after nitrogen, and our current methods of industrial agriculture may mean that we hit peak phosphorus by around 2030. And the phosphorus cycle is slow, as it gets deposited into rocks that we then mine.

    • @emilala9049
      @emilala9049 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@rachelwebber3605 Not to mention the state of the aquifers around the US (can't speak for anywhere else, but I bet we're not the only country with depleted aquifers). In a great many places that we used to consider prime farming land the wells are beginning to pump less water or run dry altogether. It took thousands of years to fill these aquifers, we're maybe a decade or 15 years before we'll be pumping the lot of them dry, and those will just be the ones that didn't collapse sooner.
      We should be looking for hardier varietals now. Going back into the heirloom seeds, looking for something that puts down deeper roots and has some resistance to drought. You could cross pollinate to enhance the qualities you wanted, like tolerance to temperature variations, higher yield, whatever. The problem is you can really only adapt, if you start adapting right now and a lot of people are really set in their ways.

  • @taun856
    @taun856 Před 5 měsíci +12

    My parents never used the "Starving children" line on us. They would just say, "Okay. Don't eat it. It will be your breakfast in the morning." It didn't take us long to just shut up and eat - except my oldest sister.. She was always a bit hard headed.

    • @therealdeal3672
      @therealdeal3672 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Instead of using guilt they just used outright threats! 😂

  • @c.j.nyssen6987
    @c.j.nyssen6987 Před 6 měsíci +605

    My father *was* a starving kid - he barely survived the Hunger Winter in the Netherlands during WWII, so when we didn't want to eat what was placed before us, we would get a lecture about his rickets and eating nothing but the cores of cabbages and tulip bulbs. There was literally no way to compromise - dinner stayed on the plate until you finished it.

    • @summersolstice884
      @summersolstice884 Před 6 měsíci

      @c.j.nyssen6987 ... Holland and Europe/England to Russia, went thru horrible due to that war ... So many in today's society have no idea how lucky they are ... The farmers in the Netherlands, are currently under fire from the Deep State, that is trying to take their land, kill their herds, prevent the planting of crops ... They are TRYING to create another starvation event without a war ... Support the farmers of ALL countries ... Without them there is no food!!!!

    • @ameliaannhouck2670
      @ameliaannhouck2670 Před 6 měsíci +28

      you bet it did, my father would do that, try to make me eat food that I detested and made me sick but when I refused to eat it, that old demon would say then it will be here in the morning when you get up, that was the start of the BATTLE ROYAL UNTIL THAT BASTARD DIED !!

    • @im_piano
      @im_piano Před 5 měsíci +34

      That's the horrible form of domestic violence.

    • @hellohello2582
      @hellohello2582 Před 5 měsíci +21


    • @parisinthe30sx
      @parisinthe30sx Před 5 měsíci +77

      ​@@hellohello2582wrong choice of words but it is abuse. Eating when not hungry can cause all sorts of problems. All that does is perpetuate eating disorders

  • @gjlite4947
    @gjlite4947 Před 6 měsíci +66

    Superb explanation of Lamarckism. I remember learning about this in JHS. Supposedly the story goes, he was getting his horse reshoed when he noticed the 4-5 year old son of the blacksmith was very muscular. Rather than realising that this was the result of the boy working the forge with his father, Lamarck came up with his "theory".

    • @adamwu4565
      @adamwu4565 Před 5 měsíci +9

      There are lots of stories bumping around about Lamarck and his theories, but it doesn't actually seem like Lamarckism was actually HIS theory. As in, he's not the one who came up with it. It now looks like that the basic premise was developed by someone else, whose name is now lost to history. Lamarck heard about it, liked it, and added it to a book he was writing, and maybe included a few additional speculations of his own to flesh out the idea. That book, which was targeted at lay audiences, became something of a fad at the time, almost like Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" which resulted in the theory getting popularized, and Lamarck's name getting attached to it.

    • @Volkbrecht
      @Volkbrecht Před 3 měsíci +8

      The thing is, Lamarck isn't totally wrong. We know about eqigenetics now. We also know individual specimen actually do adapt in certain ways to external stimuli, like food supply. But going from there to assumig how you can force those changes onto plants without going through the research of finding out if and how they will react to the specific stimuli you want to expose them to? Not to speak of the narrow-mindedness with which Lysenko assumed it could be only the one or the other. Two things can be true at the same time. And then you'd have an even harder job figuring out which effect, if any, is the dominant one.

    • @MrKotBonifacy
      @MrKotBonifacy Před 3 měsíci

      @@Volkbrecht That would be ePigenetics...

  • @wiseoldfool
    @wiseoldfool Před 6 měsíci +32

    His approach to science seems very like that of Ancel Keys. And yeah, growing up in England in the 60's, we had to eat everything on our plate because children were starving in Africa. I told my parents they could send what I didn't eat to Africa, but I got a smack on the head and got sent to bed for suggesting it. I suspect I only suggested it once.

    • @henrytang2203
      @henrytang2203 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Thanks for the Keys reference. Arguably, Keys' negative impact on nutrition persists to this day. 12 servings of grain a day = diabetes, obesity, mental illness, and cancer galore.

    • @wiseoldfool
      @wiseoldfool Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@henrytang2203 Unfortunately, that appears to be the case.

  • @lonnarheaj
    @lonnarheaj Před 5 měsíci +8

    During my young childhood, my Mother frequently employed the name of the currently starving nation of Biafra. "Eat your dinner. Children are starving in Biafra." One night, my 8-year-old mind and mouth responded to that by saying, "Then send this to them." I was sent to my room. Just as well. 😂

  • @charlessalvia7176
    @charlessalvia7176 Před 6 měsíci +9

    Fortunately, we've all learned our lesson from Lysenko's antics, and nobody ever mixed science with politics again. Ever.

  • @Emymagdalena
    @Emymagdalena Před 5 měsíci +7

    The unexpected generational gap of “there are starving kids in Africa” and “there are starving kids in China.”

  • @TheAnon03
    @TheAnon03 Před 6 měsíci +148

    One thing to remember about the "wealthier farmers" is that they were just that, "wealthier" not wealthy. Maybe their small house was made of something fancy like brick or plastered wood rather than compacted earth or plain wood, roof tiles instead of straw, maybe an extra room. Excesses like that.

    • @johnschuh8616
      @johnschuh8616 Před 4 měsíci

      Communism ran like a marine boot camp. Break down the individual and then rebuild him as a marine.

    • @Jamie_Wulfyr
      @Jamie_Wulfyr Před 3 měsíci +8

      A few more cows than average. Being able to pay one person to help get the crop in at harvest time. As you say,any small differential of wealth was enough to make one's family a target.

  • @gregorybrennan8539
    @gregorybrennan8539 Před 3 měsíci +12

    I'm a biologist, and this video was clearly precise and relevant. Thank You!

  • @KatherineSundgren
    @KatherineSundgren Před 6 měsíci +12

    A few years back I read a book called The Lysenko Affair by David Joravsky. It went into some more detail of Lysenko and his ideas. I'd def give it a read if you're intrigued by this chapter of history. :D

    • @ST-cb9qy
      @ST-cb9qy Před 3 měsíci

      See also Chapter 13 of 'Nine Lives - the Autobiography of a Yorkshire Scientist' by Sydney Harland ed by his Californian nephew Max Millard - published only online - google it and download for free. Harland, a REAL scientist and world expert in plant genetics, visited Vavilov in the USSR in 1933-4 and while there was introduced to Lysenko - and saw right through the wretch. Harland also however witnessed the effects of the widespread famine which was already raging, well before Lysenko got into a position of real power and influence.

  • @paddyodriscoll8648
    @paddyodriscoll8648 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Very well done. I was so afraid you were going to say at the end that epigenetics was synonymous with Lysenkoism, but you explained the difference well. Kudos…

  • @PierreChe
    @PierreChe Před 6 měsíci +110

    Very interesting video. A follow up on epigenetics would be amazing ! As a quick little CC, the background music was quite distracting, came in a bit abruptly and covered your voice quite a bit. I think 3/4 db less would be good and also, doing an EQ on the track to create a dip of frequence where your voice sits would help spread out and get more clarity. The track was nice otherwise but being so present made it harder to hear you clearly and a little too dramatic. I tried listening both on my macbook pro M1 (decent speakers for videos), and Bose headset. Same issue. Hope that can be useful. Cheers and thx for the video !

    • @JimWilbourne
      @JimWilbourne Před 6 měsíci +7

      Agreed on all points

    • @aboyer111
      @aboyer111 Před 6 měsíci +10

      Also agree. Especially the too loud background sound

    • @alonealien1474
      @alonealien1474 Před 6 měsíci +3

      I agree. The bgm was distracting.

    • @mjmulenga3
      @mjmulenga3 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Agreed on the unnecessary music.

    • @Antony_Jenner
      @Antony_Jenner Před 6 měsíci +2

      Specially on YT audio is hit and miss, having said that my aural experience of this video was quite good as I run an EQ and I am constantly adjusting for different videos. This one of Joe's as per normal was good as I didn't have to touch my EQ and remained on a preset. I don't have flash sound just an old laptop and a 2000s Sony wiz bang stereo via a headphone amp for a bit of gain. My speakers are bass heavy so anything under 60hz is cut by my EQ.

  • @madalayna9478
    @madalayna9478 Před 5 měsíci

    I love your channel so much, it's very informative and entertaining. I've been watching for quite some time and I appreciate all the hard work that goes into it. Unfortunately, I'm growing increasingly hard of hearing these days and the background music played under your voice lately makes it very difficult to hear what is being said. Even with the closed captions helping me, it's very distracting and almost louder than your voice. Just letting you know for myself and for those of us in the audience who may have difficulty hearing. It might help if the music were just a touch softer or more melodic. I think it's the bigger highs and lows of the synth music and the occasional sustained bass instead of a more steady, mid-range melody that makes it so difficult to hear over. Again, thank you so much for your wonderful, intelligent content, which I will keep watching even if I have to turn the volume down and just read the captions. XD

  • @TimeBucks
    @TimeBucks Před 6 měsíci +912

    This is one of your best in awhile.

  • @Aericm
    @Aericm Před 6 měsíci +1

    Just a quick thank you for so many years of fascinating content. The new studio looks great!!

  • @TheArtistKiki
    @TheArtistKiki Před 6 měsíci +3

    Joe I love all your videos, but this is one of my favorites. My boyfriend is Chinese and he had no idea this is something that contributed to the great famine. Also, thank you for the Jim Carey reference ❤👌

  • @derek2787
    @derek2787 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I generally love your videos and learn a lot from them, (how much I retain is another matter). I hope this doesn't come over as pushy or angry, but would it be possible to do without the music in future posts. I have hearing issues and when the music is playing over your talking I struggle to understand what you are saying. That gripe aside, your channel is something you should be very proud of.

  • @MisterS.
    @MisterS. Před 6 měsíci +2

    Joe, you're a damn legend. I wasn't sure if you were gonna pronounce Holodomor as "Holomodor" again, but you never disappoint

    • @farerolobos9382
      @farerolobos9382 Před 3 měsíci

      Another good thing he did is put to a rest the Ukrainian claims that it was a case of genocide against the Ukrainian people, when in fact it affected many parts of the USSR and it was a pathetic case of bad planning and rigid application of unproven scientific theories.

  • @robertjohnson5838
    @robertjohnson5838 Před 5 měsíci +2

    13:34 The Time Magazine cover story on epigenetics towards the end of 2010 said that with nematodes, the changes lasted 500 generations!

  • @ElizabethVass
    @ElizabethVass Před 6 měsíci +673

    I live in Kazakhstan, it's refreshing to hear someone even mention the tragedy of famine in post Soviet counties. Thanks for spreading the word

    • @kayakMike1000
      @kayakMike1000 Před 6 měsíci +31

      They called it the Holodomor in Ukraine. It hit Kazakhstan a few years earlier I think, it was called the Goloshchyokin genocide, named after the Communist party leader in Kazakhstan at the time.

    • @MrDaol23
      @MrDaol23 Před 6 měsíci +12

      The way he worded felt like Holodomor was "natural" or "fucky wucky" by communists and not a deliberate genocide like in Kazakhstan too.

    • @coffe2270
      @coffe2270 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@MrDaol23the word holocaust was first used by Karl Marx I’m pretty sure

    • @marcocynicalis484
      @marcocynicalis484 Před 6 měsíci

      And now the famine creators are on the move again it seems,farmers under restrictions, supply chain disfunction, plans to feed people bugs,the suppression of livestock production, created malnutrition etc etc.

    • @ukraine5721
      @ukraine5721 Před 6 měsíci

      Ukraine is an agricultural country and produced grain for the entire USSR, and the USSR was a major grain escort abroad
      Even with an inefficient farming system, there was enough food in Ukraine to support itself
      The USSR created repressive laws such as the "Law of Spikelets" which prohibited the use of available grain and required food coupons
      Even before the famine, as of May 17, 1932, there were no flour reserves in Ukraine, as evidenced by the resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "On Measures to Implement the Resolutions of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks on Food Aid to Ukraine": out of 6.5 million poods of grain released to Ukraine, the Politburo requested that 1.5 million be imported in flour, "in view of the complete absence of flour reserves in Ukraine."
      it was taken away from ukraine
      Not only grain, but also other foodstuffs, including food surrogates that were of little use and unfit for consumption. Not all peasants died of starvation when the procurement agencies pumped out all the bread, as even the poorest peasant households had other foodstuffs left over. The picture changed when the state resorted to confiscating food from all "debtors," i.e., the authorities carried out a terror of starvation against the "debtors." It was the confiscation of all food that caused the famine to turn into the Holodomor.
      Stalin had an obsessive idea that Ukrainians were hiding grain or living too richly, and he decided to kill them.
      (or he was a Ukrainophobe)
      The NKVD army surrounded the border along Russia and Belarus to restrict people from traveling, because the famine was only in the Hetnic lands of Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
      Timothy Snyder, an American historian and professor at Yale University, talks about this in the 15th lecture of his course on Ukraine czcams.com/video/1dy7Mrqy1AY/video.html.
      Of course, such repressive laws were passed not in Ukraine, but in the capital of the USSR, Moscow.
      You can also see more details in the Ukrainian video. CZcams Channel - Toronto TV

  • @Davethreshold
    @Davethreshold Před 6 měsíci +2

    Joe, this reminded me of a cartoon in Mad Magazine in the 60's: "MOM! Look! I fried an egg on the sidewalk!" Mom: "There are millions of people starving in this world, Son! EAT!" This was YOU at your BEST! There is so much to be learned on YT with you being a prime example of it! ❤

  • @jpe1
    @jpe1 Před 6 měsíci +13

    I’m trying to imagine my mom (a pediatrician) saying “eat your food, there are children starving in [some foreign location]” and I just can’t picture it… I mean, if she _had_ said that, I think my response would have been to say that I had had enough to eat, let’s send the extra food to those who need it more. But more importantly, why would a parent pressure their child to eat more than they want to eat? Like, I’ve heard the joke plenty of times, I get it as a joke, and I also understand the practical command to “eat your vegetables before you get dessert” (not good to let a child think it’s ok to fill up on sweets) but if a child says they have had enough to eat, then let them stop eating. I overheard mom speaking on hundreds of phone calls with patients and clearly recall her telling parents to not push food on their children.

    • @susangrande8142
      @susangrande8142 Před 6 měsíci +4

      I wish my own mother had heard that message from her/my pediatrician. My mother gave me conflicting messages: eat all of your food on your plate (which was probably more than I wanted to eat), and then, she told me I was “pudgy” and she put me on a diet. 🙄Yep; she trained me to overeat.

    • @jpe1
      @jpe1 Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@susangrande8142 unfortunately your experience with mixed messages from your mother was not unique. I would say that our society excels in sending mixed messages, not just about food (eat lots, indulge in fatty/sugary foods; but overweight people are bad, deserving only scorn and ridicule) but also about femininity (women are only worthy of attention if they are sexually alluring supermodels, but ‘good’ girls are chaste) and the intersection of the two, whereby women are stigmatized for failing to embody impossible physical ideals.
      Hopefully awareness of the negativity of the “clean your plate” message grows, and fewer parents repeat it with each successive generation.

    • @Link-1004
      @Link-1004 Před 6 měsíci +1

      My parents tried to shove food down my throat from a young age. They were worried I was too skinny. Now it's a chore for me to make and eat food. I'd rather take a pill that fills my stomach then eat at this point.
      I know that isn't a healthy mindset though. So I'm trying to work through my issues with a therapist.

    • @jpe1
      @jpe1 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@Link-1004 my sincere best wishes for you to gain insight with your therapist. I can relate to feeling the desire to be able to just take a pill to get all of one’s nutritional and caloric needs met, eating can truly feel like a boring chore! Hopefully you can find joy in the tasks of preparing and eating food.

  • @paulcarter7445
    @paulcarter7445 Před 6 měsíci +2

    The core requirement for effective science is open debate unhindered by politics or authoritarianism.

  • @diGritz1
    @diGritz1 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Grandparents did the "eat it all" thing to me all the time. I flipped it on them. Grandad loved deep fried oysters and had grandma deep fry about 100......so I ate them all before he got to the table. He looked at me and said "you ate over 100 fried oysters and your still eating?" I said it's all on him, he's the one who told me to eat everything in front of me. He responded, "yes on the plate not the table." I told him he should have been clearer when I was a kid. He was not happy.

  • @paull8678
    @paull8678 Před 3 měsíci

    One of my grade school teachers used the "starving children" argument on me once. My response was, "So they'll starve if we eat all the food?" She didn't use it again after that.

  • @Judith_Remkes
    @Judith_Remkes Před 6 měsíci +368

    Africa. My mom always said kids in Africa. And there are still lots of people starving in Africa today.
    OT: Can't believe I never heard of this famine before!

    • @carltuckerson7718
      @carltuckerson7718 Před 6 měsíci +37

      Exactly. Kind of tripped me out he went China when 1000% everything was starving kids in Africa. All over the TV. Flies buzzing around the starving kids. Sally Struthers, everything....

    • @mrpopo8298
      @mrpopo8298 Před 6 měsíci +9

      @@carltuckerson7718 100% I remember those Ethopian children. But if Joe said Africa, there's a good chance that a mob would form.

    • @darstar217
      @darstar217 Před 6 měsíci +5

      Same here, my parents always said starving children in Africa

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Před 6 měsíci

      Well, you are not from the US is my guess, let's remember the US had the 'red scare' which probably really, euh.. convinced, people communist country bad, thus also China bad.

    • @Elementalism
      @Elementalism Před 6 měsíci +16

      Depends on age I would assume. My parents said China and Africa. But Africa was starving in the 80s and 90s. So anybody younger than 50 probably heard Africa. African famines were also similar in collectivization and state control of agriculture caused famine.

  • @Allisself
    @Allisself Před 6 měsíci +1

    That into is always so loud compared to the normal audio. Other than that, I love your content! Keep up the great work!

  • @DungeonDragon18
    @DungeonDragon18 Před 6 měsíci +17

    The only other scientist I can think of with a significant body count was the guy who invented leaded gasoline, and he at least was solving an actual problem, which is that hand-crank cars were dangerous to start. He just didn't think through the ramifications of mass lead poisoning.

    • @adamgreenspan4988
      @adamgreenspan4988 Před 6 měsíci

      Yes, that’s Thomas Midgely Jr. - but you should remember, he was fully aware that lead was poisonous. In fact, he had to take a long vacation due to the effects of lead poisoning, and then assured the media leaded gasoline was safe by pouring it all over his hands and inhaling the vapors for a full minute. And this was to help cover up numerous deaths of workers at his company’s facilities. Thomas Midgely Jr is to capitalism what Trofim Lysenko is to communism - a reminder of how the excesses of an economic system (greed for capitalism, authoritarian pride for communism) can corrupt scientists and lead to suffering on a massive scale. This is why the most important component of any system, including and especially science itself, is the “checks and balances” ensuring honesty, transparency, and accountability.

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Arguably those deaths were a side effect rather than a direct effect, which in my mind still makes Lysenko worse.

    • @faithlesshound5621
      @faithlesshound5621 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Thomas Midgley has TWO environmental crimes to his credit: tetra-ethyl lead in petrol engines and Freon (chlorofluorocarbons in general) for refrigerators. He and General Motors knew of the dangers of lead poisoning: he had it himself, and many workers died from it, but they preferred to suppress that information.

    • @mikespangler98
      @mikespangler98 Před 3 měsíci

      The alternative to Freon was ammonia which is vastly more toxic and flammable.
      The ozone effect wasn't discovered until decades later.

    • @luiszuniga2859
      @luiszuniga2859 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Trofim Lysenko: the Absolute Worst Scientist Of All Time
      Thomas Midgley: hold my ethyl with CFC

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      @Achakkate Před 6 měsíci +3

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  • @noahjaybee
    @noahjaybee Před 6 měsíci

    On a related note, I wrote a paper for my anthropology elective class on cannibalism in Stalinist Soviet Union. Entire villages were driven to cannibalism to survive a bit longer and it was not uncommon in the gulags.

  • @brigitpimm8488
    @brigitpimm8488 Před 5 měsíci +1

    See I was guilted by the thought that the runner bean I left on the plate might feel abandoned.

  • @brycedyck8450
    @brycedyck8450 Před 6 měsíci +388

    My folks never used the 'starving children elsewhere ' guilt trip. They just said, " Eat it, or you will wish that you had!"😊No guilt trips, just straight-up threats of violence 😂

    • @icarusbinns3156
      @icarusbinns3156 Před 6 měsíci +15

      My mom always told me that if I didn’t eat, I’d end up in the hospital with horribly low blood sugars.
      Which was accurate. Diabetes backed up Mom’s statements.
      And that’s why I don’t like eating and kind of have to be bullied into eating now. At 32!

    • @stizelswik3694
      @stizelswik3694 Před 6 měsíci +9

      I got that starving kids from my parents too..... But, when my kids were little, I told them you'll eat it or go hungry! We couldn't afford NOT to eat what I put on their plates. I was not the best cook either. My best friend was a cookbook! lol

    • @icarusbinns3156
      @icarusbinns3156 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@stizelswik3694 only one?
      I didn’t use any… I’m a one-man hurricane when set loose in a kitchen

    • @andriaduncan5032
      @andriaduncan5032 Před 6 měsíci +3

      LOL. I just told my son, "this is what's for dinner. Eat it or go hungry!" He generally ate it. 🤣

    • @annakeye
      @annakeye Před 6 měsíci +6

      As a child growing up in a family of eight other siblings, you ate or you missed out because one of the other kids would eat the food off your plate. I chose to have one child and because I knew that they didn't like cooked carrots, I gave her raw carrots. She didn't like boiled veges, so I stir fried them. I tried to never make an issue of food in any way because
      I was concerned about eating disorders that were prevalent as she was growing up in the 1990s. And still are.

  • @Blitterbug
    @Blitterbug Před 6 měsíci

    Fascinating video, Joe. Sadly, it's the first video of yours where speech was almost inaudible under the bg music in places. Dunno if it was a mixing anomaly?

  • @Ozzyfrog78
    @Ozzyfrog78 Před 5 měsíci +6

    He definitely wins his place in the Pantheon of bad scientists alongside Thomas Midgley jr (leaded fuel and CFC's)

  • @timothyclark-sl4il
    @timothyclark-sl4il Před 5 měsíci +1

    Don't want no Captain Crunch, don't want no Raisin Bran
    Well, don't you know that other kids are starving in Japan?

  • @kdub3890
    @kdub3890 Před 6 měsíci

    When questioned about these theories, I wonder if the Soviet officials sighed sarcastically and declared that they "choose to believe in Science".

  • @DaveGrean
    @DaveGrean Před 3 měsíci

    Hey Joe, the poster on your wall says "Relax on Kepler 16B" -- what is it form?
    I figured it must have been the cover art and title for an old ambient music album, so looked it up on CZcams and only found a single, very bizarre video under that same title, with no explanation, very few views and 0 comments. Can you explain? Lmao

  • @daisyinthewoods9081
    @daisyinthewoods9081 Před 6 měsíci +38

    "to be fair to Lysenko" I don't think anyone owes that guy a single thing, my dude. you're good.

  • @Eveseptir
    @Eveseptir Před 6 měsíci

    I like the new direction of you channel, keeping an eye out for the next one. Keep digging deep Joe.

  • @Wyldfoxx
    @Wyldfoxx Před 6 měsíci +2

    Thomas Midgley Jr. could possibly give Lysenko a challenge for being the most destructive scientist.

  • @Incestrul_Lust
    @Incestrul_Lust Před 6 měsíci

    Great as always. I think the music is a little bit high in the mix at some points tho (minutes 3 to 4)

  • @Tad.Dugdale
    @Tad.Dugdale Před 5 měsíci

    @JoeScott Did you get a different editor? @2:20 the background music starts and it's so loud it's hard for me to hear you. I've got a hearing disorder so hearing someone talk over almost any noise that is equally loud to their voice is almost impossible, it just gets jumbled together.

  • @alexanderbeard6460
    @alexanderbeard6460 Před 6 měsíci

    Fantastic as usual, but Is it me or is the occasional background music really loud ?

  • @syriuszb8611
    @syriuszb8611 Před 6 měsíci +541

    Interesting, I live in post Warsaw Pact country, and I have never heard about "eat your food because kids in China are starving". I heard it, but not about China, but about Africa. Maybe since China was/ is communist, saying that kids are starving in China was politically dangerous, so our parents were saying it about Africa instead.
    And about main topic, it is crazy, that people try to rehabilitate him. And parallels between him and current anti science/ pseudo science movement is terrifying.

    • @galaxyanimal
      @galaxyanimal Před 6 měsíci +34

      Saying starving children in Africa is pretty common in the US as well. My parents said children in Haiti, but I think that was because our church worked with a charity in Haiti.

    • @lunaticbz3594
      @lunaticbz3594 Před 6 měsíci +20

      I'm American, my parents also used the starving kids in Africa line, when I was growing up also was around the time of the Somali food crisis and the failed us intervention in Somalia.. So I imagine Africa was more topical at that time.
      These days I still use that phrase, but instead of saying Africa, China I say the name of a local town as I feel that has more impact. Instead of some far away place.

    • @wtice4632
      @wtice4632 Před 6 měsíci

      Pseudo science movements today like gender ideology are very concerning.

    • @klosnj11
      @klosnj11 Před 6 měsíci

      The parallels that are terrifying is not that pseudoscience and anti science is a thing in society. It always has been.
      The terrifying thing is that we have state sanctioned scientists that can not be questioned, and artificial consensus by means of silencing any opposition.
      Just take a look at Anthony "I am the science" Fauchi. Take a look at the mRNA vaccines and the attempts to silence and shame anyone with concerns.
      The danger comes not from the individuals with different ideas, but from individuals given state power to force those ideas on others.

    • @360.Tapestry
      @360.Tapestry Před 6 měsíci +18

      that's right... if you throw your food away, the same amount of food will be forcefully removed from the mouths of hungry kids on the other side of the world. and you will be directly responsible for that. now force yourself to eat that can of spaghetti-o's even though you are full from the preservatives

  • @premiumwaste
    @premiumwaste Před 6 měsíci

    Hey Joe! Long time fan and viewer. I just wanted to alert you to an audio issue with the music played at ~2:30 and ~10:00(the droning chord). Your voice and the sounds are in the same frequency and they're competing for attention, which actually makes it harder to hear what's being said. I'd recommend one of a few solutions if that's okay:
    1) use sidechain compression where the audio for the music "ducks" under your voice, turning the volume down for the audio exactly where your speech is (this is the most polished option but may cost you money to get an DAW to do this
    2) Pan the music in the left ear primarily (but not completely) and then your audio in the other ear. You may have already done this and my own headphones don't do that (I have a crappy computer that plays mono instead of stereo)
    3) have the chords play an octave lower, you can also accomplish this by tuning it down or "slowing" the sound file down so it's in another register
    if you have any questions about this, feel free to message me about it and I can expand on this.
    Hope this helps!

  • @gregmark1688
    @gregmark1688 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I find it interesting when people mention cannibalism in reference to famines. It always seems so alien, and weird. But that's because somehow, we're very estranged from the famine-induced cannibalism in our own past. We all know some of the stories, and I mean we _all_ know them. But we don't know that we know them. Seven hundred years later and a continent away and we still have stories once "ripped from the headlines", of parents eating their own children in order to survive. To wit: Once upon a time, there was a little boy named named Hansel, and his sister, whose name was Gretel ...

  • @sandraknox4302
    @sandraknox4302 Před měsícem

    Joe - we love you, buy your merch & watch all your videos! But the background music can be so distracting. Can you edit the volume or something, please? Once again, love your channel ❤

  • @prieten49
    @prieten49 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I had a friend who was opposed to evolutionary theory. He constantly sent me articles or books by obscure scientists. It was generally easy to shoot down their arguments. My friend was a fanatic Catholic and I would accuse him of being opposed to evolutionary theory simply for religious reasons. Perhaps to show he was being "scientific," he once sent me an article suggesting that there was some merit to Lamarckism/Lysenkoism as an alternative to Darwin's theory of Natural Selection. A consultation of Wikipedia revealed the stupidity of those theories. Thanks for the historical video about Lysenko.

    • @spankfugslide
      @spankfugslide Před měsícem

      Both theories are highly flawed…that’s why Darwin’s is still cited as a theory and not fact. I’m not religious or Atheistic (also a religion) which allows me to look at the world without an agenda and whilst the Thoery of Evolutioon has some basis in truth it is only a partial explanation of our origins. Everything evolves over time, that fact cannot be denied but the problem with any theory comes in 2 ways:
      1. When it is seen as the ONLY way and cannot be integrated with other ways of thinking, changed or adapted
      2. When it does not align with the laws of nature (Natural Law)
      Quantum Science and more recent peer reviewed studies into DNA are starting to show who we really are below the cellular level and how we connect to everything around us, rather than being separate.

  • @kennethpipkin759
    @kennethpipkin759 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Anthony FauxChi: "hold my beer"

  • @user-md9yv7jx2c
    @user-md9yv7jx2c Před 6 měsíci +372

    Lysenko was used in my horticulture classes as an example of how science and politics did not mix. We were told that he had set agriculture production in Russia back decades.

    • @neilreynolds3858
      @neilreynolds3858 Před 6 měsíci +46

      And yet we mix politics with science in the US and never give it a thought.

    • @damonroberts7372
      @damonroberts7372 Před 6 měsíci +28

      Not just agriculture. Medical genetics and a lot of other areas of applied biology.

    • @Rem_NL
      @Rem_NL Před 6 měsíci

      But but but politicians have guaranteed that MRNA "vaccines" are safe and effective. The media agreed and celebrated the push. They gave immunity for sure, but not for the people that took the "vaccine" but the politicians gave legal immunity to these creators/distributors. Luckily the MSM and politicians give a fair look at the research not (in)directly funded by the manufacturers right? right?

    • @RichOrElse
      @RichOrElse Před 6 měsíci

      politics is a science

    • @Thomas15
      @Thomas15 Před 6 měsíci +36

      @@RichOrElse It’s a social science, not a hard science.

  • @devindelgrego4500
    @devindelgrego4500 Před 4 měsíci +2

    When your head scientist not only isn’t a scientist, but doesn’t even believe in science… only in Soviet Russia

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV Před 2 měsíci

      Or in modern Fascist Russia.

  • @KatrinaTapio
    @KatrinaTapio Před 3 měsíci +1

    when I read about history like this, I always get such chills when there's mentions of good scientists getting killed, like maybe he could have spent his life in the lab doing very little, but there's always the potential that we accidentally killed off someone brilliant who could have created a life changing solution... what a sad history when people get fooled by dictatorships, and what a motivation to learn more history (which shall inevitably repeat unless we learn from it...?)

  • @alanar8046
    @alanar8046 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Please keep your voice audio track louder than your music. The music can enhance stuff, but I'm here for all the wordlicious talky talks. :)
    Great research.

  • @WhispersFromTheDark
    @WhispersFromTheDark Před 5 měsíci +1

    My Mom would say there were starving children in Ethiopia. One day I got fed up (no pun intended) with her saying we should eat because the kids in Ethiopia were starving, I said box it up, I'll pay the postage! She then backhanded me and almost knocked me out of my chair. *TRUE STORY*

  • @jhill4874
    @jhill4874 Před měsícem

    Starving children in
    Still starving if I eat the food.

  • @83shaunam
    @83shaunam Před 6 měsíci +52

    My sister sometimes poured milk down the sink, because in her 5 year old mind, the drains were going downward and china was on the other side of the earth, so she was sending milk to the starving children in china 😂 None of us knew this till a few years ago, btw. She was never caught in the act.

    • @mellow_mallow
      @mellow_mallow Před 4 měsíci +7

      reminds of how I used to drop pieces of string cheese into my family's house's floor vents. i wanted to feed the mice because I was obsessed with mouse books at that age- the one with the motorcycle, the schoolhouse one, Redwall especially... probably doesn't help that my uncle was encouraging me, lol

  • @dundermifflinity
    @dundermifflinity Před 6 měsíci

    You finally made the Thomas Midgley video! Thanks man! Edit - I think this belongs here : /s

  • @morrisgetman9827
    @morrisgetman9827 Před 6 měsíci

    Dear Joe, thank you for this video and all the work that you’re doing. I’m a big fan.
    It’s only because I’ve spotted this mistake before do I dare to suggest you correct it for future (possibly) mentions: it’s “Holodomor”.
    All the best!

  • @colmbolger2109
    @colmbolger2109 Před měsícem +1

    There's starving kids in China. Eat your food. Reply. Well put the food in an envelope and send it to them. 😂😂😂

  • @bjh7924
    @bjh7924 Před 4 měsíci

    Great vid as always. Watched it while having a full belly, thankfully 🙏❤

  • @MattByrne
    @MattByrne Před 5 měsíci +1

    I just started reading The Three-Body Problem and this rings a bell lol

  • @JinKee
    @JinKee Před 6 měsíci +58

    My grand parents would never ask "how are you?" And they'd always ask "have you eaten?"

    • @redwingsbaby
      @redwingsbaby Před 6 měsíci +16

      My grandmother was not satisfied unless you accepted something to eat. “What’s wrong? Why aren’t you hungry?” And then she’d list a dozen things she could either serve or cook for me, until finally I’d agree to something

    • @klondike444
      @klondike444 Před 6 měsíci +3

      "Sec fan?" (Eat rice?)

    • @TheWatchernator
      @TheWatchernator Před 6 měsíci


    • @klondike444
      @klondike444 Před 6 měsíci

      @@TheWatchernator 不,肯定是英語. No, definitely English.

    • @ChemEDan
      @ChemEDan Před 6 měsíci

      @@redwingsbaby 🤗

  • @kilmcm45
    @kilmcm45 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Whenever a sitter said this to me, I always said "that's terrible I guess you should give it to them"....I was an extremely picky eater as a kid but, my mother and I worked out a system. She just wanted to make sure I didn't snack on anything later that night. I generally ate every day but, I stopped eating 3 meals a day. At most I'll eat twice a day but usually 1 meal does it. Every now n then....maybe once a month, I'll just get insatiable and eat several meals in one day. I'm 42 and have all my hair n teeth still. I need reading glasses now, that's the worst sign of my aging. I've read that Americans waste 30%-40% of our domestic food production. Maybe everyone should skip dinner?

  • @tubebobwil
    @tubebobwil Před 3 měsíci +1

    The funny thing being that there was a glimmer of truth to Lamarck's theory when epigenetics is taken into consideration.

  • @TheGremlinsParadise
    @TheGremlinsParadise Před 5 měsíci +1

    That echo / Reverb within the video really drags the sound quality down a lot, specially if you listen it through headphones like the Bose QC2. Its a little unpleasant to listen to if its used to much and to long,

  • @SkyDiving_StormTrooper
    @SkyDiving_StormTrooper Před 6 měsíci

    My mom never used the starving children line with us growing up that I recall, but I do remember once, when I was real young, like maybe 7 or 8, I asked why I had to eat the gross green stuff and why was it all green food taste bad, she told me you have to eat your veggies while your young or your hair will fall out when your older like your father and green things taste like that because thats just the flavor of green. Boy, that had me all wrong for at least a couple of years or more. I ate ALL the veggies I could. Me lose my hair like dad? Hell nah. Lol. And I remember my mom and dad ordering food at various places and I would ask them to make it all normal but hold the "green." But that was after I was dubious at first. I knew food stuff had to list the contents of the food so to prove colors couldn't taste like anything I looked at the label of a bottle of some soda that was on the table at the time and it had Yellow 5 listed as an ingredient. That had me extra fucked up. I was like dayum not only do colors have a flavor but Yellow greedy ass got 5 of them! Ah, man, kid me was fun. Now me... meh... Can I trade back? Give back the adult stuff and just be stupid and fun again? Seriously, I feel like that's a trade I'd make in a heartbeat sometimes

  • @alexwilsonpottery3733
    @alexwilsonpottery3733 Před 3 měsíci

    Now do a documentary on Norman Borlaug and the replacement of subsistence and rotation farming by commodity farming and how that has worked sooo well in every country, including this one, in every country it’s been established.

  • @StEvEn-dp1ri
    @StEvEn-dp1ri Před 6 měsíci +27

    What the Hell is this cheerful music of sheer dread overpowering your voice Joe?

  • @musicalneptunian
    @musicalneptunian Před 4 měsíci +1

    So Stalin was like the law firm Wolfram and Hart in the TV show Angel: when you were fired you were set on fire.

  • @Yesica1993
    @Yesica1993 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I love how it's now 3 months later and I have a grand total of 1 "like" on my previous comment where I list facts on this issue.
    For those who actually care what's going on in this world, James Lindsay has another video on the topic premiering today in 4 hours. It's titled, "Medical Lysenkoism in the American Medical Association". I suggest you watch it.

  • @evensong3356
    @evensong3356 Před 5 měsíci

    the starving kids line is to freaking ironic lmao. "kids are starving over there so make sure to gorge yourself beyond feeling full so none is left for them!"

  • @alexlandherr
    @alexlandherr Před 6 měsíci

    I remember an episode of the “Cosmos” reboot where they talked extensively about him and Vavilov.

  • @67comet
    @67comet Před 6 měsíci

    The background music can take a flyin' leap (or just turn it down a bunch) .. Otherwise, great content as always :) ..

  • @mariajosemaranon9728
    @mariajosemaranon9728 Před 6 měsíci +107

    Hi Joe, this is a great video. A bit of feedback, the background music is so loud that it's hard to know what you say several times in the video. I hope it's an easy fix that will improve its enjoyment. It's great information that deserves to be heard! I love your videos!!!

    • @lisadioguardi5742
      @lisadioguardi5742 Před 6 měsíci +15

      I don't remember it having been distracting before this video, but I didn't even finish listening to this one. It isn't just people who have some hearing loss or older people who have trouble with certain tones, it's also difficult a lot of neurodiverse people who can feel like their attention is being pulled in different directions.

    • @guppy0536
      @guppy0536 Před 6 měsíci

      Probably AI generated vid they are more often than you realize

    • @stellaxtine
      @stellaxtine Před 6 měsíci +7

      Maybe it's cuz I was watching on my TV but it was actually too quiet for me, and not in a good way either. I kept pausing the video because I couldn't figure out where the distant ominous music was coming from and thinking I was going crazy. I don't remember any other of his videos having bg music and i feel that it better matches the style of the videos.

    • @JoshDauer
      @JoshDauer Před 6 měsíci +12

      also came here to say this, the intro music was also weirdly mixed loud

    • @cannonaire
      @cannonaire Před 6 měsíci +6

      I came here to say this. It's a combination of several things: Joe's voice volume is too dynamic, the music is too loud, and the script goes too fast to understand the generated subtitles with the picture. I have conductive hearing loss, which means speech is difficult to hear if there is other noise present. I'm listening on good headphones. This is the first video from Joe that has given me these issues though. Thank you!

  • @garethmurtagh2814
    @garethmurtagh2814 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great video! I suppose the other main contender for Worst Scientist would be Thomas Midgely. But his discoveries did do what they were meant to, it was the environmental consequences of them doing that which were the problem, and the use of CFC’s in refrigeration undoubtedly saved many lives by reducing food poisoning. Lysenko has no redeeming qualities.

  • @radiant9230
    @radiant9230 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Unrelated to the topic, but back when I was in the gifted program in like 4th grade, I remember doing a presentation on Kepler-16b. Cool stuff fr

  • @d.b.1858
    @d.b.1858 Před 3 měsíci

    Whenever I heard that line, I said, "Oh, so can we send it Airmail" ? !!!

  • @Debbie338
    @Debbie338 Před 3 měsíci

    I’ve known about Lysenko causing the famines for awhile, but I didn’t know just how crazy his ideas were. Yikes.

  • @briangoodwin7503
    @briangoodwin7503 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Where's the ominous music knob? I want it turned up to 10 at random times in the video.

  • @brettfromla4055
    @brettfromla4055 Před 6 měsíci +130

    There’s a story from Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago, where a worker was given a Communist party award for his hard labor. When asked how he felt about his award, he joked that a little more food would be better than an award.
    He was immediately charged with an Article 58 violation and given a 10 year sentence of hard labor.

    • @wolfiemuse
      @wolfiemuse Před 6 měsíci +2

      you don’t make jokes to guards if you’re in the gulag, even if they give you an award

    • @deptusmechanikus7362
      @deptusmechanikus7362 Před 6 měsíci +13

      Lmao "Archipelago" was proven to be a collection of fictional tales time and time again.

    • @bickboose9364
      @bickboose9364 Před 6 měsíci +14

      @@deptusmechanikus7362 The main things about his works that've been debunked with a high degree of certainty are the wildly exaggerated numbers.
      Everything else is anybody's game as Soviet Russia, especially of those times, is not very well documented -- as far as anyone without access to Russia's historical archives could possibly know. Also, the Gulag Archipelago resonated with former Gulag inmates immensely, to the point where they couldn't distinguish their lives from what was written there.
      If *even* a fraction of what Solzhenitsyn wrote is true it is still enough to condemn the barbarity of the Soviet judicial system, the Gulags, the mentally that led to them, and much more.

    • @amarissimus29
      @amarissimus29 Před 6 měsíci +11

      @@deptusmechanikus7362 Because you saw a snarky youtube video saying just that. So now it's your unqualified retort to whoever brings it up. Well done. I think most people who talk about it haven't read it, and admittedly it's a bit of a slog and it's easy to put down and not pick up again. Much easier to pretend. Cut and paste opinions, can't beat em. Cheers.

    • @jopoveromo1054
      @jopoveromo1054 Před 6 měsíci

      @@deptusmechanikus7362what do you mean by that?

  • @RomainVanAelst
    @RomainVanAelst Před 6 měsíci

    Once during a 'Brilliant' session, I forgot to eat. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them from your list of 'worst'.

  • @garyburginjr1366
    @garyburginjr1366 Před 6 měsíci

    From a fellow "I'm growing my hair out, damn it" enjoyer, keep it up, you're gonna love it!

  • @maddiejoy6619
    @maddiejoy6619 Před 6 měsíci

    My grandma told my mom there were starving children in China when she didn't want to eat a sandwich. My mom brought her an envelope and said to mail it to them 🤣.

  • @miaomiaochan
    @miaomiaochan Před 6 měsíci

    My parents were old enough to have experienced the famine in China, though they were quite lucky in that they lived in more highly-populated areas. It shouldn't come as a surprise that they have always been frugal when it comes to money and food, but my grandparents are/were even more extreme about it, rarely throwing away leftovers (not even when the bread has become rock-hard) despite having more than enough money from their generous retirement pensions to afford fresh food every day.

  • @goatkiller666
    @goatkiller666 Před 5 měsíci

    My favorite eggcorn (e.g. - least favorite mistake people make) is "toe the line" vs. "tow the line". It comes from the British Parliment, which was often quite rowdy. And if someone got so worked up that they crossed the lines painted on the floor, the opposite side would shout "toe the line" to get that person back on their own side. But now everyone says "tow the line" and I hate it.

  • @TauAlphaVu
    @TauAlphaVu Před 6 měsíci +193

    I think Thomas Midgley, of leaded gas and CFCs fame, is a strong contender for being worse. Some estimates put his death toll as high as 100 million. And who knows what else he may have come up with if he didn't end up being done in by another of his own inventions, a pulley system designed to help him get out of bed.

    • @jon_j__
      @jon_j__ Před 6 měsíci +29

      Yeah, I don't want to defend either Midgley or Lysenko, but I think it's worth pointing out that neither of them were in such a position of power that they can be held up as the singular cause of the mass deaths. For Lysenko, it's Stalin, Mao, and Communism in general. For Midgley, it's the various industry execs and politicians who greenlit his inventions. But even if you only allocate them 1% of the responsibility for the impact, being personally responsible for 1M deaths is a hell of a thing.

    • @wesleymatthews6356
      @wesleymatthews6356 Před 6 měsíci +8

      At least his inventions worked.

    • @euan1246
      @euan1246 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I was going to say exactly the same thing. I wasn't sure of the estimated deaths but know it will be high 👍

    • @hariharpuri1362
      @hariharpuri1362 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Veristasium video right? And it was also a great video on the same topic

    • @tyler1107
      @tyler1107 Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@jon_j__I was going to say this exact thing, but probably less eloquently. We shouldn’t say they weren’t terrible, they were, just that it’s only partially their fault. You need poor leadership and poor ideas to get these types of tragedies.

  • @derp195
    @derp195 Před 6 měsíci

    My parents said this to me once and I asked why they make too much food when we could give to them instead. They stopped saying it lol

  • @BoagsBugger
    @BoagsBugger Před 6 měsíci +1

    I first heard of Lysenkoism on a youtube video years ago. I can`t remember what video. Since then, I have come to the conclusion that Lysemkoism is alive and well. in fact, I think we live in the "Age of Lysenkoism". I am glad to see you spreading the knowledge. I think schools don`t teach this story.

  • @nunya___
    @nunya___ Před 6 měsíci

    Wow, that Intro music busted my ears.
    edit: Quit @ 3:06 The soundtrack is loud, headache inducing. I'll try another video later.