Multitrack Audio to a DAW Mix... Then Back to Your Console and Video Switcher
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- ** NOTE **
Please make sure you save your scene on the console BEFORE you update firmware. Your current settings per channel will be cleared. You can reload your scene after update, but make sure to save your scene before updating.
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This video talks about all of the routing and general settings to get multitrack audio from your console into your Digital Audio Workstation (DAW). I use Presonus StudioOne Pro, but you could choose from any major DAW and make this work. Once you build your live stream mix in the DAW you can then route the audio back into your console and then out to your video switcher or live streaming device.
Timestamps for video sections:
1:04 - Routing Overview
3:06 - General Considerations
4:50 - AUX Setup
6:05 - Soundboard Routing
9:12 - DAW Setup
17:10 - Special DAW Tip
18:09 - Finish Routing
*** NOTE ***
Please make sure you save your scene on the console BEFORE you update firmware. Your current settings per channel will be cleared. You can reload your scene after update, but make sure to save your scene before updating.
Thank you very much for your help on this video. I followed the steps and am getting the feed alright to my streaming PC via atem mini. But the it sound very distorting and unclear. What do I Do? If I can get in touch with you personally. that will be cool. Thanks once again.
Learned this the hard way today!
Thanks for this!
I might have to come back to it to fully understand, but it's exactly what I was looking for!
Glad it is helpful.
you are the master of this board dave , thanks
Thanks for the encouragement.
My man you have saved the day I had to combine two of your videos to get my head around it but you are my hero! Also I’m subscribing now!!
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m glad you found some answers.
GREAT VIDEO, I needed this exact knowledge. Thanks so much for taking the time to share.
I’m glad it was helpful
Thanks for posting this video!
I just want to say thank you for this wonderful video you have put together. And the fact that you are answering a lot of questions in the comments. Big thanks again for your expertise and time.
Thanks for the encouragement and positive feedback. I'm glad you've found the videos helpful. Feel fre to offer any questions and I'll do my best to help you.
Can you recommend a DAW for windows doing church live stream? Beginner friendly.
I always gravitate towards Presonus Studio One as it has been the most user friendly in my experience. You have to buy the Artist version to be able to multitrack record and you can use their native plugins as well. This runs you about $150 and is super solid. If you want to use third party pliugins like Waves, UAD, etc you would need the Pro version which is like $250. Ableton is another one that many people use. I didn't particularly like that one as it is more geared towards people creating music and tracks. Reaper is another inexpensive DAW that people use as it runs $80 (I believe) and is fully functional. It was originally an open source platform so there is a lot of support for it and many videos around as well. Finally, Logic Pro is another paid DAW that many people use, but that is Mac based.
very detail tutorial. Awesome Job!
Tha is for the encouragement.
You Sir, are a magnificent gift! Thank you thank you, thank you. I was at my breaking point and wanted to go all caveman on my X32!
I am just trying to monitor my tracks as I overdub to record track by track. There are many videos that show how to record and then how to play back and mix but not how to record whilst hearing a previously recorded track and that is what I do - until mixdown.
Although this video was not intended to teach how to record track by track, it sure did!
I’m glad you found enough material in the video to get the job done. Let me know if you have any other questions.
This guy knows his stuff
Thanks for the encouragement.
This is the video I need, but with the Allen and Heath mixer
Which A&H mixer are you using? I don't have access to any, but I'm happy to try and help if possible.
DaveThis config allows the real-time mixing through the board for the room, the Stream through the main L&R mix from the DAW, and hopefully the default 1-16? recording of the inputs for virtual soundcheck later. thanks,Cliff
You are correct on all accounts except that your input channels 1/2 will not be multi tracked in this setup. You will need to follow the concept in this video to get those to be recorded. czcams.com/video/Zb6ngDBuaDE/video.html
@@AllamHouse Gotcha, Thanks. Be Safe.
Thank you, I have been looking for a solution like this for Reaper! Can you clarify though, are you using 1 USB cable for your send & return or 2 separate cables?
All of this audio (send and receive) is on one USB cable. It can run up to 32 in / 32 out.
Thank you so much for this tutorial. How do you adjust the delay in sync with the video... I'm seeing the delay like a quarter of a second and it's not matching with the video.
It all depends on the other tools you have in your streaming setup. Look through each piece in the chain to see if it has the delay feature you need.
Hey Dave - Great video! This has been very helpful getting our new setup working at my church. Quick question. We are running a M32 at FOH with a Waves soundgrid card. All 32 channels are going to a separate room over the Waves network to our Mac running Logic. Then we are sending the stereo mix back out to the console like in your video to get the mix to our Atem Mini at FOH for the stream audio. My question is, how do we monitor the daw in the separate room? We want to be able to have studio monitors and headphones. Would we need to add a 2nd audio interface for monitoring in the room? Thanks!
You should be able to monitor Logic from the Mac through the regular headphone outs. The analog out should be an option along with your digital output. There are other programs (I believe called Soundflower, but don’t quote me on that) that allow you to send the same signal to multiple places on a Mac… similar to the ASIO sound card on a Windows machine.
Well done! Thank you Allan!!! We have a M32 in the video room going out to streaming so this routing is spot on, I believe we will be able to just go into aux 1&2 as you stated and have that go out the L/R master to switcher. Be Blessed!!!
Hey Allamhouse. Great video!!! I have a question, below is my configuration and was wondering if the routing would be the same. We are running 2 mixers our Wing is FOH and our X32 is for our livestream. I keep getting stuck. Thanks for your input.
Routing:
Wing >AES50 B > Behringer X32 > X-USB > Studio One > Back to X32 > trying to use main outs going to ATEM Television Studio HD
Yes, this would work fine. Your overall gain will be set by the Wing and you will need to set the clock source to whichever AES50 port you have the Cat5 plugged into on the X32 so it will sync properly. After that it is a stand alone console so you can route into StudioOne, mix, route back to the X32 and then into the ATEM. Make sure you de-select all of your inputs from the main LR bus on the X32 so they do not go to your stream. The only thing that should go to your main LR bus is the signal returning from StudioOne.
Hello Allam, Thanks for your awesome work. I will like to ask you a question. I use Allen & Heath QU32. I sent all 32 channels over USB to my DAW and sent back the processed mix over the same USB to channels 31 and 32.
These channels were routed to my video switcher on mix 7-8.
The problem is that my mix 7-8 is also sending the unprocessed sound from all inputs instead of just sending 31 and 32 coming from the DAW. So I have a combination of processed and unprocessed sound coming from 7-8. How can I exclude channels 1 to 30 from mix 7-8?
Thanks.
I am not sure of the QU32 specifically, but on the X32 I have the ability to turn off (mute) channels from the MixBUSes. There should be some sort of a “flip faders” or “sends on faders” where you can make these adjustments.
Hi Dave, thank you for all you do for us! This could be straight forward for others but could you please do a video to show how one can directly go from the DAW into the streaming pc or switcher (preferably though a usb, if that is possible) without having to send the sound from the DAW back into the console?. We have a different pc running the streaming software and another pc with studio one that we intend to use for our online sound mix/processing. Any insight you share would be highly appreciated! Thank you.
This is actually the typical path (console -> DAW -> console -> switcher) since most audio cards on computers (DAWs) do not allow to route to different outputs. If you are on a MAC you can use a program called Qlabs that will allow you to do various output routings internally, but on the native cards it becomes more complicated that I can figure out. Some people might try the basics of using the headphone out from one computer and run to the mic in on another computer, but this will most likely add a ground loop (or buzz) and will take your nice stereo mix and make it mono. I wish I had a quick answer for you to make this work, but the only other ‘easy’ solution is to go out your headphones jack, into a 2 channel interface (Presonus, focusrite, etc) which converts to USB and push that into your second computer.
@@AllamHouse thanks very much! This is clear and makes sense. Would you recommend sending the audio as an NDI feed (over a network) into the streaming pc?
It could work, but most people run to Dante if they are going to convert to a network signal.
@@AllamHouse 🙏thank you
I like this idea but this will take me back to the interface that we were using before. I’m sending the stream thru usb for clarity and is amazing thanks for that video. That was brilliant. This one is brilliant too but having to convert analog to digital again. It will lose quality. Dante is the way to go for that.
Dante is a far superior option, but this is a free way that people can get started.
If using reaper what would you send the outputs to? Same as on here or different? (The routing matrix confuses me sometimes)
Nice videos by the way and thanks for all the help!
Unfortunately, I have never used Reaper so I would have to refer you back to CZcams or the internet to learn about the routing within Reaper.
Phenomenal man! I'm going to give this a try ASAP... and to think I was considering a $600 Dante card. lol
Thanks. Dante card opens up a different world of possibilities, but if this setup can get you pretty far down the road to start.
@@AllamHouseended up getting the Dante card last year. The digital routing capabilities have helped us online and in-house.
!!Thanks for this video!! Do you apply some delay compensation for the latency caused by plugins?
In theory, you are just building a mix in the DAW so you would want to have something in place to match you plugin timing. With that in mind, you are not sending these signals back to the console to go to your FOH (Front of House) mix as those would be rather latent compared to your stage in most circumstances. Most people are using this setup to be able to mix their FOH on the console, and then send the raw audio tracks to a DAW, mix their stream audio, and then send it back to their console to route out to their streaming device. I hope this helps clarify the setup.
@@AllamHouse
Thanks for the answer, This clarify the setup a lot :) !
Thank you for this video its been so helpful! I just streamed our sound with this set up for the first time this sunday. I have a very faint fuzz sound that is picked up in the stream when I did this, is there any way to get rid of it? I sent the audio out from my daw on one laptop back to the board and then into a interface which is connected to my streaming desktop.
The best thing to do is solo the sound after the DAW in the console and see if it is there. If not, look into the interface, cables and battery/power supply for the other computer.
At the end of this video while showing routing from aux 1 and 2 , I'm trying to do this using x32 edit and route aux 1and 2 to aux out 1-6 so that I can use my studio monitors through them. And not come through MAIN OUT any guidance would be appreciated. The newest version of x32 edit shows things in the routing section a bit different which makes it hard to follow. Cheers !
To do this you will go to the Routing > AUX tab and then you can select the desired AUX out and then select the source you plan to push there.
Thanks for the video. This got me thinking:
We have an x32 and a s16. Can I send my inputs to the daw via usb, then in the daw create sub mixes for IEM, send them back to X32 via usb and assign them to outputs on the back of the s16 for example.
Was thinking of this so that we could have separate EQ for FOH and live/IEM mixes..
Will this setup work or will I encounter latency/delay issues in the IEMs ?
Unfortunately, there would be too much latency for live mixing of instruments. I have used a similar setup for FX which I talk about in the video below. If you want to go the route you are talking about you would have to use Waves Multirack.
DAW FX Video: czcams.com/video/96dvkMd_tmw/video.html
You can also use an Audio Interface to send the audio into your video switcher,
I do this for my church every wednesday.Wednesday.
I use Logic Pro X
Yep, you are correct. I designed this setup for folks that are running their stream from their console (on either a MixBUS or a Matrix feed) and want to change to a DAW. This allows them to use the DAW, but not change their wiring. I do agree though an interface can be a great solution.
great one! which version of osx do you use?? unfortuneatly i can't record or send multitracks on catalina..
I am running an older Macbook Pro with El Capitan OS. For Catalina, you probably need to adjust the security settings as mentioned in this video. czcams.com/video/wBHxLNjcZzo/video.html
Very helpful! How do you recommend monitoring the DAW mix before it's sent to the X32? For example...we send signal from the X32 to our DAW. Is there a way to monitor the sound on the computer? Unfortunately we have the DAW in the same room as our live sound. So we would need to use headphones. Could you technically monitor the DAW from AUX 1-2 on the X32? Or would there be a way to actually mix AND monitor the DAW from the X32 using the RECORD/PLAY feature?
You have a few options. Since you are mixing in the DAW, you could use the monitoring feature and have headphone attached to the computer to have a listen. The second option (as you mentioned) is to solo the mix that comes into the board (Aux 1/2) assuming you are within distance to the board. Another option is to solo this where the signal meets a video switcher or streaming device. This would be the last part in the chain before it goes to the world, but might not be feasible based on location of devices in your facility. I tend to do it at the board since this is a happy medium of signal path and (most likely) physical location.
@@AllamHouse Thank you. So a couple observations. I’m not sure I can monitor pro tools on the Mac. I can’t find a way to do it. My playback is set to “X-USB”. When I feed the DAW mix back into the X-32 via Aux 1 and 2 I get bad feedback unless faders are down. Keep in mind I’m doing all this while simultaneously using the X-32 for live Sunday service. I need a way to monitor the DAW mix without interfering with that. Monitoring from the Mac would be ideal but I just can’t figure out a way to do it. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thank you!
My Thoughts:
1) I took a quick look at ProTools and it seems there is an "input monitor" button on each input fader next to the "record enabled" button. This would allow you to hear the tracks through headphones while recording. That is assuming it works the same way StudioOne and Ableton function. If that is not the case, then we move on.
2) The feedback you are getting leads me to believe you either have the AUX 1/2 still set to go to your Main L/R Bus... or you have it creating a loop with itself and sending into the DAW. This would just take some looking through the board and DAW to confirm features are checked/unchecked appropriately.
3) If you are using a video switcher before sending audio into your stream you can usually monitor there as well if needed.
Great reading all the comments. I have my X32 out via USB to a MAC laptop running logic pro. We then take the output of the MAC via the 3.5mm into a converter to get it XLR. From there it goes XLR to a 2I2 Scarlett, back out USB to our OBS computer. Definitely not efficient and there has to be a better way. I am looking to see if I can maybe run a DAW and OBS in the same PC. Its Windows with an AMD 5600X CPU AND 3070 graphics. I want to see if I can eliminate the MAC since its very old and sometimes it causes audio issues. Hoping not to have to resort to a dedicated DAW and dedicated video/stream switcher. But I believe some of the comments question whether OBS can see the DAW outputs if they reside on the same PC.
Usually the ASIO driver on a Windows machine will allow you to route audio internally from one location to another. Give it a shot and let us know.
@@AllamHouse Thats one way I found. I did a little more research and I may try using reaper with the restream plugin. OBS will be able to use the vst plugin to receive it all within the same PC. Have to be careful with the asio drivers depending on the OBS version, which I am still on release 27. Not going to bother with 28. This is mainly where we dont have a person to man the livestream audio, the video person can do both camera, switching and audio. Chaos at its best!
GOOD WORK!! Can i send the mix output(out 1&2) from the DAW directly to the streaming software on the same computer?
In the Windows ecosystem you can do this with the ASIO drivers, but Mac doesn’t usually play as easy. I believe there are some programs you can install to allow you to map the internal audio to different places, but I’m not sure of what they are exactly. I think I have head people talk about Q-labs and maybe a program called Soundflower, but ai could be wrong about these. Good luck with the search.
Hello not only do we mix in a DAW and route back to the board to send to a streaming device but we also route back to live.. With no or minimal latency. We used Dante network and Ableton live as our DAW.
Yes, running DANTE is a big step forward in the production capabilities of your gear. This video you commented on is a way for users to take what they are already doing (streaming from the console) and utilize a DAW as an intermediate step to build their mix and not change any of their cabling.
Hi Alan, thank you for this wonderful video. Do know how I can connect this to VMIX a digital switcher?
There are three different ways to get your audio out of the console and I discuss them in this video here. czcams.com/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/video.html
If you are using the DAW as described in the video you commented on, it is probably best to use the AUX out version to get them into the VMIX computer. In an ideal version you could have your DAW on the same machine as VMIX.
very helpful ...
I'm glad this was helpful. Thanks for the encouragement.
Hi. This is my setup :
16 channels into the Studio One
Main L&R back into the X 32 (aux 1&2)
Buses 1&2 direct out from aux 1&2. My question : Can I route buses 1&2 back to the card to feed Obs?
Thanks.
Yes, you can, but you might want to try and just route it internally if Studio One and OBS are running on the same machine. Depending on your machine it might or might bot play nice with internal routing in the computer. You can use OBS and jump back and forth from the computer and console, but you will need to adjust your routing slightly. This video discusses the details and should help you get something working. czcams.com/video/Zb6ngDBuaDE/video.html
Hi Dave, Do you know if it's possible to fully automate and synchronize a X/M32 from a DAW like we do that on 01V or other Yamaha product 20 years ago via midi ? I still use tape recorder Tascam TSR 8 synchronize to my Samplitude, but I want to know if the parameters of a Midas 32 can be rec via midi and played afterward. I find nothing in the manual or in the internet about that. Thanks a lot if you got this information.
This is a great question and I do not have an answer for you. Unfortunately, I have never used the MIDI features of the console. You might try to reach out to Artisan Sound as he does work with MIDI on the X32 for theatre productions. www.youtube.com/@artisansound1807
I’m still having issues. I use pro tools and maybe I’m not sure how to set up the I/O setup the right way? If anyone has a link to someone setting up on PT maybe that will help me idk thx
I don’t personally use ProTools, but this video seemed to be well put together and should be helpful. You should see the X-USB as the driver that has your inputs.
czcams.com/video/HHE8uXmWoRQ/video.html
Great one here. Please I really need your help. I've been trying to connect my M32 to a Cubass 10.5 and I've installed the drivers on my laptop (windows) but it cannot identify the mixer board . I'm really not a happy man right now as I have an upcoming event in a week. I'll be glad if you can help me out
First thing to try is this security setting. This video covers both windows and MAC. czcams.com/video/wBHxLNjcZzo/video.html
Please apart from the AES 50 input can you also use the local input on x 32?
Yes, if you are on the firmware version 4.0 or newer you can go to Routing > User inputs and setup custom input routing for each of the 32 channels. Then you go to Routing > Inputs and select the user inputs for each block to finish the customization.
How about using a 2 channel interface to send mixed audio to the switcher
That is a solution, but requires more tools and typically has more knobs that could be inadvertently hit/changed and have an impact on the live stream.
I'm guessing you can do this on zoom? Just route the return from presonus to zoom?
He has a very helpful video on getting audio to and from Zoom here: czcams.com/video/sC1bgnAvMow/video.html
Hi, when you route the audio from the DAW back to the x32 to the aux, won't it come out the pa speakers?
You can select the AUX channel and then de-select the Main Stereo Bus button that is just to the left of the screen. This will allow you to push the fader up, but not have it be heard in the house mix. Also, you are really just using these inputs to be able to push the mix back out of the console to your streaming device.
how do I setup the routing in X32 if I have local input 1-16 and digital snake input from 17-32 and output all from local?
You want to make sure your card settings match your input settings. This takes your inputs and sends them out the card after hitting the preamp. Then, build your DAW mix and route back to the console as explained in the video. Let me know if you have other questions or need more clarification.
So question. I am setting up my church to do the same thing but I was going to use an audio interface to take my DAW mix out XLR right into the video mixer. Did not know I could use the same usb DAW mix routed back into the board. Is running out of an interface okay?
An interface is an ok solution, but it tends to add a few potentials that I like to avoid…
More tech to deal with, more things to break, additional gain structure, potential noise across cables to name a few. I prefer to run everything across USB and just send one final signal into the switcher.
The problem I have is the main out on Ableton Live is MASTER OR INPUT 1 - 32 MONO OR STEREO. The X32 is not recognising the signal to from Ableton main out.
I have the x32 playing recorded Audio from the SD card. I can pick up the channel signals on the Ableton no problem. I have 31 & 32 free on the X32 so i have routed the main out on ableton to these channels but I can not see it on the x32. Please help
I would start my troubleshooting by...
1) Make sure the "monitoring" button in Ableton is selected for the mains.
2) Rebuilding the main out in Ableton and making sure the routing in Ableton is sending to the correct stereo output pair (on USB 1/2). In theory this will confirm it is being sent out the proper USB slots when going back to the console.
3) Confirming the Routing > User > Input 25-32 is set properly for receiving normal inputs from everything and then USB 1/2 are routed to In31 and In32.
4) If it still isn't working, I would revert to having a basic stereo signal in a new Ableton session and just get the output to work... then add the needed inputs
Hi,great video! I will be doing this setup soon for a church. But I got co fused with the Auxes as your left and right .. the church that I will be doing g thus set up has a separate board for streaming but they do not like how it sounds because of limitations the x32 has. So they want to run it through a DAW, just like you did here.. so my question is instead of Aux like you did can I use outputs 15/16 as my LR into an Interface and connect to the streaming computer... it should work correct? Thanks !!
So wait, they are running audio from one console to a second and then not using the second console, but running a DAW instead?... off the second console? You can use the 15/16 output to go to your interface and it will work just fine.
@@AllamHouse Yes they have a FOH x32 to a x32C but they want to transition to a DAW then send back to the board and send audio to the streaming computer (all seperate comupters) .... So they want me to set it up and use the console strictly for faders only and do all processing in DAW ... but i didnt know if its worth doing using outputs 15/16 or just use the interface USB to connect into streaming computer
Dave which Mac is best for livestream and record simotaniosly through Logic
Mac mini studio?
So, I’m a little behind in the times when it comes to Mac, I’m still on a 2012 dinosaur personally. The new Mac M1 seems to be the fastest thing around. We just picked one up for our church so time will tell, but I have only heard great things.
Great video! How would I MULTITRACK without a DAW. I just want to go from the board to a USB or SD card. Is that possible?
If you have the Behringer X32 you will need to upgrade to the X-Live card which allows for multitrack recording directly to SD cards. If you have the Midas M32 it will come with this card already installed. Outside of those options, you will need to use a DAW to record. If you are just going for a basic record and playback, you might look at Trackslive which is a free download from Waves and it is a very basic DAW that would be a direct replacement for the SD card concept if you need this soon.
Hi, my x32 was not updated for a while; I have 1.15 firmware. The board does not read my USB drive to update. I've already turned it off and held the view button while turning it off and nothing. What should I do?
The best thing to do is reformat your thumb drive. Ideally, you use a windows machine to reformat, but you can do it in a Mac. Make sure it is formatted to Fat32 (not Ex-Fat or OS Journaled). Then unzip the firmware file and only put the actual file on the thumb drive. Let me know if it works.
I've been in situations wherein i was asked to multitrack 2 consoles. How do i combine them into 1 then assign each channels on my DAW?
You would need to record each console individually. You only have the ability to run 32 tracks from board to DAW. Now, if you are only using 32 tracks across both consoles, then you can do some routing to get the inputs into one console and then adjust the routing within Routing > Card to send them to your DAW
Once the audio from the daw gets routed to aux 1 and 2, the stereo button must be off?
Yes, make sure that button is off so that you don’t push tour audio back into your house mix.
I need this same video with a Presonus Studiolive mixer.
The only one I have is an old StudioLive 16.4.2 that runs FireWire. I’d have to test snd see if the setup would work, but maybe I can make something happen in the future. I mix in StudioOne (DAW) and it interacts a little different than the X32.
I May be stupid - but why go through a daw for Mixing when you Can just do The Mixing on The X32? Is it because you Might want another mix than The FOH? Or?
This setup would have you mixing FOH on the console, then sending raw files to a DAW to mix for a live stream. The stream mix goes back to the console to make for easy routing to a streaming device.
And this won’t affect any input/output signal for the house mix?
No, This is just like recording multitracks while mixing FOH (front of house), but you can have someone else adjusting the mix in the DAW and send that mix back through your console to take your existing path to your livestream.
Hi Dave. What's is the difference between direct out and outputs?
Outputs are typically mixes that have been built with inputs. This could be a a main mix, MixBUS, Matrix, etc. if you select a direct out, that is taking the channel inout and sending it directly out whatever output you are using. This would act like a direct pass through the console.
Hello I really appreciate the info. Will this work if I am using all 32 inputs? I noticed you only used AES50 1-24 on your card outputs.
Yes, if you can send all 32 inputs over to your DAW, build a stream mix in the DAW and then send it back to the console through USB.
I had only 1-24 routed because my church only uses 22 inputs.
@@AllamHouse Thank you so much for the reply. I will try it and let you know how it worked out. THANKS IN ADVANCE..
Hi like your videos quik question How to record my graphic EQs from M32/ console. Using logic pro
When you talk about recording the EQ I'm wondering if this is an inserted FX rack. If so, you can use the P16 trick which allows you to adjust the tap point of a secific input to be post fader which would capture all of your channel strip effects and any inserted FX. This video here discusses that setup. czcams.com/video/6JLZwd0JRi8/video.html
What specs on a Mac are necessary to be able to do this without issues?
If you are trying to do this setup for mixing live and then sending it to your stream, I would go with no less than i7, 16GB RAM.
Thanks a lot!!!!
Good luck with the setup. Let me know if you have any questions.
@@AllamHouse
Thank you for uploading useful information!!
I’m a user of M32, I want to use it in order to record some instruments by using the iPad.The firmware old version 3.0 was able to connect iPad DAW,but I updated the firmware to 4.0 I couldn’t connect.
I’m not sure the problem is with the firmware..Do you have some information about that??
Usually when you update the firmware your routing connections and scene will have to be reset. Go into Routing > Card and make sure you have the correct settings in there for your desired setup. Usually, people have this screen will mirror their inputs tab so allow their inputs to go out their X-USB card. I would start there and then check into any possible iPad updates after that. Sometimes the iOS updates can cause issues with the USB inputs.
@@AllamHouse Thank you!
I will try!
His bad is your round trip latency? Wouldn’t you want a lower buffer?
This mix isn’t to be used for the FOH mix, but for your live stream instead. You can then delay the audio in the console (at the bus level) or in most streaming platforms to align the video and audio. This solution is an easy way to introduce DAW mixing for the live stream while keeping any existing connections from the console to the streaming device.
Do you have to press record button in your DAW software?
In this setup you do not need to record in the DAW. You do have to have the ‘monitor’ button turned on in the DAW for each track you are working with otherwise the audio will not come through and be processed properly.
Hi, so the purpose of this is to be able to live stream church audio in stereo?
There are many ways to build a stereo stream mix, the most popular for many venues is a Post Fader Mix BUS approach which I have linked a video below. This specific video you watched is for people that are already using a MixBUS (or Matrix) approach to their live stream and have it connected from the board to their streaming device. This video you watched allows them to use a computer and a DAW to build their mix with more advanced plugins and processing and then route it back through their soundboard and over to their streaming device. It is a more advanced setup for sure, but this video here can guide you on an initial setup that many people use successfully. czcams.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/video.html
Is it possible to do this With a yamaha tf3 and GarageBand?
I think that garage band is limited to only two inputs at a time. I could be wrong about that, but I have never used that DAW. I also have never worked either he Yamaha console you mentioned. The concept should be transferable of the DAW can handle it.
When I do send the inputs from the mixer to the daw is it eq or it’s the raw wav file
It’s a Raw wav file. The signal hits the preamp (gain) and then goes out USB to the DAW.
@@AllamHouse Thank you sir
Hey Great video! What cable or setup are you using to run out the Daw back to the board? Where are you plugged in on your computer and where that line going on the board? What is the actual cable?
This 1 min video discusses the needed cable. I have them in my Amazon store at www.amazon.com/shop/AllamHouse
czcams.com/users/shortsEwWBYPgSXwE?feature=share
So I would need a Dante card with multiple Ethernet or usb. I want to send the daw mixing back to board or straight into the stream. How can I do that without a Dante card and just use the x-card (Behringer)
No, this video that you commented on is a full walk through of exactly how to route your console and interact across one USB cable from the console to the DAW. Here is the premise… many people are using a setup where the console mixes their house AND their stream (like my church). We have routing in place to send our stream from our console into our video switcher. If we wanted to change and mix our stream in a DAW we would use this technique and routing to get the inputs to go into the DAW (across USB), mix the stream audio in the DAW and then send the final mix (back across USB) through the console and into our video switcher. Nothing in this equation requires Dante.
@@AllamHouse Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this. Im going to test it at church. Ill let you know how it goes. God Bless You!
Just wondering why you would bring audio back to the mixer from DAW. Our system takes audio from mixer into protools and then directly out to our switcher.
There are always multiple ways to make this stuff work and I'm glad you found the best option for your group. My approach in this video was thinking that people are currently using an AUX mix or a Matrix to run their livestream which is coming directly from their board. This gives them an option to drop a DAW in the middle, get a great mix in the DAW and then send it back to their existing setup to push to their stream.
How do you send it from daw to switcher?
@@praisethelord20 We are using a Dante card in our FOH board, which sends to our Mac running Protools. This is happening over a dedicated network using network switches which is able to send to multiple devices. We have the switcher receiving from Protools over the network utilizing a Dante Avio 2ch analog adapter.
@@WaynesAVworld wow that’s much more solid I would think! Great, thanks for sharing.
Do you have the ability to still record the signals in the DAW
Yes. All you need to do in the DAW is arm your tracks and hit record. As long as ‘monitoring’ is turned on in your DAW the signal can be mixed and pass through to be used in your live stream. Run a test to make sure you have enough RAM and processing power to support this setup.
Right now I am using an aux mix in the x32 and connecting the sound to our Atem mini via 1/4 to 3.5mm cable. I routed aux 1 and 2 to mix bus 7 and 8 because that is our stream mix. Do you suggest I use the DAW to mix for the stream or just continue to use an aux mix from the x32? I am not sure which is better or more convenient to use.
Going through a DAW requires a machine to mix in, a sound person to do the mixing, and the ability to troubleshoot. The DAW does offer more flexibility for creating a great live stream sound, but you can get a pretty good sound right from the board. Here is a video that walks though the setup my church uses every week since we only have one sound engineer per Sunday.
@@AllamHouse mixing from the board might be the best option because I am the only at the sound booth
Yep, understanding the options and resources required is key. I’d love to mix in my DAW for live stream, but I only mix once a month at my church... so that isn’t gonna work for the group.
@@AllamHouse The question and topic here is similar to mine: Why choose this method versus using a mix out to create and fine-tune (using effects, limiter, etc) the livestream mix (as in another video you've produced)? I like the audio-to-DAW-and-back method, as it gives another operator the full capability to fine-tune the livestream mix. Are there any other advantages to this method that I can use to help persuade our sound team to think about the DAW method? thanks - great videos.
@@jameyclapp1822 Thanks for the encouragement. As previously mentioned, my church uses the Post-Fader AUX Mix setup that I discuss in one of my other videos and it works for us because we only have one sound tech per Sunday. The mix with one sound tech will NEVER be as good as the mix with two. Having a second sound tech is always a better scenario. The easiest way to facilitate that is to build a pre-fader AUX Mix on your board (assuming it is digital) and hand that second person an iPad to allow them to mix for the stream. This limits you to the capabilities of the board which is where the DAW comes into play. The DAW allows you to set custom plugins for each input, add saturation and lush effects and build/manage a well refined mix... live. This really is the ideal way to go and how many of the top-streamed churches are doing it. Also, the cost (outside of the second sound tech's time) is not that expensive. You can grab a DAW for $150 and use their stock plugins and have something really nice. I hope this helps.
There is no better way to explain, thank you very much, we do it in the church that I collaborate, and it works very well.
but I have a question, with the X32 is there any way to increase or decrease the gain of the 32 channels that you send through the usb to the daw? Because some channels come with a good signal, but others very low, I try to level them with the DAW's gain, but I don't know if it can be directly on the X32?
Thanks for the encouragement. The gain is set on the X32 and that is it for levels going to USB. You would need to do whatever compensations needed in the DAW to accommodate.
@@AllamHouse But is it the same gain as the FOH mix?, When changing the gain on the PA mixer, does it change it for the DAW?, Or is there a way to separate the gain on the mixer?
Yes, there is only one gain. If you change the gain for the house mix, it will change the input to your DAW as well.
@@AllamHouse Thank you, keep going, God bless you.
Thanks for the video! Is there any way to get ALL 32 channels over to the Card as well as aux in (say for playback from an ipod)?
Edit: checked through all the comments and didn't quite find this exact question
The USB card offers 32 channels of throughput (both out to a destination and back in). If you want to record AUX channels coming into your console those will take up some of the 32 channels. That is the short answer.
The longer answer gets into deciding what exactly you need to record at the same time and then how to use the other routing options to get the most use out of the console. I’m happy to help out and assist. If you want one-on-one help just fill out the contact card on my website (sound.AllamHouse.com) and we can connect outside of YT.
@@AllamHouse Thanks!
Great video. However, instead of the output of the DAW going back into the mixer, could it not go directly to the Switcher via an interface?. What's the advantage of routing the DAW output back into the Mixer?
Most people are setup to run their livestream right from their soundboard on a MixBUS or a Matrix setup. This video allows them to build a mix in a DAW and run it right back to their console and to their stream without changing any cabling. When you add in an additional interface you add in more potential failure points and buttons/knobs that could be turned by accident.
@@AllamHouse Understood. In my case , our livestream team are in another room. A feed from AES50B on the X32 is sent via KlarkTecknik DN9630 to the DAW then out to the Atem Switcher. However we also have access to a matrix mix in the event the DAW fails.
Sounds like you have a great setup for your venue. I appreciate the Matrix backup.
@@AllamHouse well the Matrix was used first, then the DAW was introduced to get more control. I personally prefer a mixer for livestream over DAW but the budget isn't there for that yet. Your videos taught me a lot i must say. Continue the good work.
Hey this may be a dumb question but I want to know if there is a reason why you would route it back to the mixer to map out to the switcher instead of sending the audio to the switcher straight out of the computer hosting the DAW? I’m in a situation where I may need to use this method but wanted to see why this method instead of going from X32 to Computer/DAW to switcher.
That is a great question and here is the reason I did it this way. Many organizations are similar to my church in that they are using a mix from the console (Matrix, MixBUS, etc) for their stream. They have cabling in place and everything works. This video discusses a method to transition their stream mix from the console to a DAW, but not disrupt anything and not require any new gear. In most cases, if you want to go right from the DAW to a switcher or streaming machine you will need some sort of an interface or jump to a Dante network, but again this video is designed to just add the DAW. I hope that helps.
@@AllamHouse that makes sense but do you think there is any audio degradation going with one over the other? I can see why using an XLR out of the board would be a clean and grounded signal but I wonder if routing from the DAW computer to the switcher would cause some digital distortion.
There should not be any degradation. If you choose to not go through the board and use an interface you will need to set the gain on the interface properly and this does pose a potential risk of those gains being changed by accident. Also, just check that you do not get any ground loop noise between the different devices.
Thanks so much for this. Quick question: will this still work if I have my DAW and streaming software (Vimeo) on the same desktop computer or should the DAW be on its own computer. Being on the same computer could I utilize an audio interface to run the XLRs from aux out of X32 into the interface then back to the streaming software?
You might be able to find a way to internally route the audio from your DAW right into your Stream without having to go in/out of the computer and console. What computer and DAW are you running?
DAW : Reaper
Computer: I buy power 16g ram 1tb hard drive
Computer... MAC or Windows? Dedicated GPU (graphics card) or built in?
@@AllamHouse it’s windows and i have an Elgato capture card installed
Apologies we have a general built in graphics card along with windows 10 and an intel core i7 -9700 cpu 3.00Ghz
what type of usb is needed coming out of the Daw back to board? USB A to B male? The printer cable?
we have a midas 32 and I only see one USB port that is for the DAW
Yes, the old printer cable (USB A-B) is what you need.
@@AllamHouse oh I see, thanks again
Hello again, I’m hoping you can help me out one more time. So I followed all the sittings for the Midas 32, but then got confused when you went to your daw. I use ProTools. What was happening was I was getting signal from the board to PT. And sending signal to the live stream. BUT everything I was doing (processing) was coming through the house speakers. I only want to effect the live stream. Any idea what I was missing?
Thanks
Sorry for the delayed response, this got buried in my YT comment section. My guess is you have the ProTools mix coming back into the console and whatever channels it is returning into (AUX is what I use in the video) still has the "Stereo LR Bus" lit up orange which is sending your DAW mix to your FOH. Select the channel(s) the DAW returns in and de-select the button that is just to the left of the screen on the console so it will NOT go to your main mix,
@@AllamHouse thank you again, I will try again this weekend.
Around the 6:50 mark of the video you have card out 25-32 on aux in 1-6 but I need mine to remain on local 25-32 because we use those. Will that change they way I need to set up everything from that point forward? I get signal to my DAW but when I come back to my aux inputs and direct it out to my switcher I lose it.
I have the Card Output 25-32 setup to send my AUX ins to my DAW for recording/mixing. If you need to have standard inputs (local or AES50) going out to the card that is fine. It will not change anything afterwards.
You will have to sacrifice two of your Aux Ins (analog inputs on the console) for this setup to work properly. In my video I use AUX In 1/2, but you can use 3/4 or 5/6. Things to check for since you are missing your audio...
1) Is the DAW routing correct to send your MixBUS back out USB?
2) Do you have Card In1/2 set to go to an AUX in pair?
3) Do you have the Aux in faders turned up to unity?
4) Do you have those Aux ins set to go out a stereo pair to your streaming device?
Figured out my problem. When the channel was selected I realized on the main out tab it was still going to the mains. Once I turned that down it stopped feeding back through the house and all is good on the stream
So this would replace the BUS to Matrix setup you made a video about because that one is just for one sound tech right? I’m trying to setup our X32 to studio one on a pc that someone in the back of the church can remote into and mix the daw live for our stream. I like the bus/matrix setup but our sound tech doesn’t quite understand anything past moving faders up and down. They literally setup a monk matrix channel untouched straight to our fb stream and it sounds horrible for over a year now. I had to step in. I’m just a singer and drummer but I’ve run sound in the past. I went through this video and got everything setup. Thanks!
Yes, you can use a Matrix or a MixBUS to build a mix completely in the console and send that out to your livestream... this is where most people begin. If you have the luxury of a second sound tech then you can move to a DAW which allows greater flexibility and customization in the mix. Using this video shows the routing needed (and DAW routing) to make this happen. Most people still route their audio from the DAW back to the console and out to the same bus (and outputs) that were being used in the old setup so nothing changes on that side. Once this is working a lot of people step from USB transmission to using DANTE which offers a lot more flexibility in how you get signals to/from the console and streaming device, it has an increased cost as well.
The issue I’m having now is no one knows about what has been routed on our board. I learned today they hired a guy to setup the board and it cost them $1500. All of the outputs are set to local channels and Aux 1&2 are used for a mono matrix feed into the switcher to our live stream. Outputs 24-32etc say P16. Which I presume are the 3 P16s we use on stage. The guy is going to charge us money again just to tell us what he routed on the board. I got everything to work with this video but I changed the outputs 9-end to our AES50A that is coming into the board from the preamp, Ethernet and snake. This morning I tried just changing the card routing but it wouldn’t record on studio one. The 32 inputs showed up but wouldn’t receive the signals like I had it on the separate scene I saved last night. Any words of wisdom from the X32 master?
I’m sorry to hear that they paid money and were not educated. This is a big reason why I started this channel and why I don’t just ‘give out’ my scene. You have to build it to... for your needs... so you know what it is doing and how to troubleshoot. (End of rant)
Now that you have your inputs set properly, you will need to mirror those to be sent out USB on the Routing > Card screen. This will allow the signals to be picked up from the correct preamp and then sent across USB to the DAW.
How can you ensure that the mixed song coming from your DAW back to the console is not heard FOH, but goes only to your stream?
When you select the input that you are running the DAW mix back into the console through (my example used AUX 1/2) you can then hit the "Stereo Bus" button near the screen so it is de-selected and no longer orange. This will make sure it is not heard in your FOH.
@@AllamHouse Thank you.
If this possible with a yamaha tf5?
I have never used the Yamaha console, but I do believe it has USB out that supports 32/32 tracking. You would just need to go step by step and see what functionality the Yamaha offers. Here are the basic steps to figure out:
1) Multitrack out from the console to computer across USB (ideally 32 channels)
2) Bring channels back in to the console on USB channels 1/2
3) Can you route those channels to a desired AUX input to have a fader
Hi Dave
Please what video switcher do you use here or recommend for this setup?
We use a Black Magic TV Studio HD and run XLRs out of the console to the switcher. This video explains a setup where we would just push audio across USB, mic in the DAW, back across USB to the AUX in and then out the normal XLRs. This will work with the stream audio going out the AUX outs (1/4” or RCA) as well in case you are running an ATEM mini.
@@AllamHouse Thanks Dave for taking time to reply. This helps. Also please got another question. So i set up x dante and patched it to a DAW - reaper, in an attempt to multitrack and finally get the final audio into OBS. Please how do i route audio from reaper to OBS? I tried to do some research on this but people mostly have tutorials on routing off of ableton using reaplugs VST. I haven’t found a solution yet to get my audio out of reaper to my streaming platform. Will really appreciate any thoughts on this or alternatives. Thanks
I haven't personally used Dante so I'm not sure of the exact settings you will need. I do know that on a Windows machine you can route the ASIO card to go from one program to another which is pretty simple getting from the DAW to OBS. On a MAC it is more complicated, but Dante should allow you to send out of Reaper to Dante and then have OBS pickup that Dante signal for the stream.
Do u mean , 2 pic of usb cable is need for daw in and out?
All of the USB audio runs across one cable. It can run 32 channels from the console to the computer and 32 channels from the computer back to the console at the same time.
Do you also get each separate channels wav file when you do use a USB flash drive to record
You do get the ability to multitrack, but you do need to make a small change to your input 1/2 go multitracking. This video explains the details. czcams.com/video/Zb6ngDBuaDE/video.html
The USB thumbdrive on the top of the console is used for grabbing a 2-track recording (usually your mains) to have available for use.
@@AllamHouse Thank you Sir , i was wondering if there was a way for us to be in contact.
I’m really active in the comment section of my videos. I offer consulting if that is needed, but typically there are videos for most of the current needs. Also, if you can’t find something feel free to ask and I might make it into a future video.
@@AllamHouse thanks again
It’s normal than the DAW audio modify the main audio output from the room?
I’m using Ableton live everything works right but when I turn off a mic in ableton the mic go turn off in the main room output.
This sounds to me like your routing needs to be double checked. If you are doing what this video says, it is designed for your stream mix to be built in Ableton and then routed through the board to your streaming device. Make sure you do not have the Stereo LR button turned on (lit orange) for your stream mix where it comes into the board so it is not heard in the house as well.
@@AllamHouse I’ll check it and repeat it step by step. I think can be a Bad setup in my daw or a bad routing configuration.
I’m frustrated I make it two days in a row
I’m sorry you are having some troubles right now. I do offer consulting and I’m sure we could figure it out relatively quick if you wanted to go that route. Just fill out the contact card on my website at sound.AllamHouse.com to start that conversation outside of YT.
In the meantime, check that your Routing > Input is set to your normal inputs (stage, local, AES50). Then have your Routing > card setup with the same settings to make sure your inputs are mapping to your DAW. Finally, have your DAW send back across USB and use check those settings in this video.
Can you show your cable set up?
Please note that I do NOT actively run this setup in my venue as I do not have a dedicated sound tech, but the video does walk through the setup process if you have the capability to go this route. For this situation I would use a standard USB A-B cable (printer cable) to connect from the X-USB plug on the back of the console over to the computer. This would take your inputs into the DAW, build the mix and then send it back into the console. From this point I would route to some available XLR outputs that could take my mix into my video switcher. I hope this helps.
Why go back to the mixer from the daw rather than going straight into the mixing software?
Many people are setup to run their stream audio from the console to their video switcher. This setup shows a way to add the DAW into the middle of that and not need to change any of your other configurations. Obviously, there are other ways to make things work, but I wanted to focus just on the console setup in this scenario.
This is a great video
Would this work with Logic Pro!?
Yes, you will set the board up the same, but the routing inside of Logic would be specific to that program.
@@AllamHouse and I can take it back to the console?
Yes, the configuration should be the same, it is just figuring out what Logic calls everything in their routing area.
I want to take the raw audio from our M32, out to the computer upstairs, mix it and then out to the live stream. Can I do it with a Dante board in the M32?
I want to route raw, to the computer and out to the encoder/switcher (atem mini pro), not back to sound board and then out to encoder. Our encoder is up stairs with our live stream people and we mix it ourselves because CZcams changes the audio
The general USB Card output will be raw audio. The signal will hit the preamp and then exit to your DAW. I have run across USB up to 25 feet with no issues, but past that you will want to use DANTE. Once you have the software on your computer you can just set your DAW inputs from DANTE and the signal will flow properly. After that you can send your mix anywhere you need to whether it goes back to your console or across DANTE to your streaming device.
@@AllamHouse Yea, it would have to be over Dante. I just wonder though if the software would route out to the computer's audio out jack? I can route through a box to filter any ground loop noise out. They are cheap. Thanks for the help
Hi, I followed all the guideline, but whatever I capture in the ableton is not directly output to my behringer x32. Therefore, I canot send the sound to my video switcher. Please help me :(
It’s either a routing issue or a security issue on the computer. What type of computer are you using and we’re you able to get individual tracks into Ableton?
@@AllamHouse I am using windows 10 laptop with Ableton Live software. I am able to get the input source but unable to output at the same time. I did all the configuration as per your video guidance. Appreciate if you could help ! Thanks!
@@johnyap4432 I only have the free version of Ableton Live and opened it just to look at this question. For me (on a MAC), In Ableton I set my inputs as mono inputs 1-32. For Outputs I only setup a Stereo Output 1/2. My console fed in on the inputs side and then they all routed (in Ableton) to the Master which then sent to the Stereo Output 1/2. This sends the signal back to my console on USB 1/2 which I then need to setup to come into the console per the video.
#Allamhouse please can you help me out connect my midas M32 to my daw ? . I use and HP laptop and I've downloaded the DN32 from the midas page onto the laptop but the mixer board wouldn't show on my laptop. What could be the issue
My guess is you need to check the security settings that I mention in this video. czcams.com/video/wBHxLNjcZzo/video.html
@@AllamHouse alright. Will but what it ain't that too?
Troubleshooting is about going one step at a time. These are the things I check…
1) correct cable connected in the correct spot
2) correct software (driver) installed
3) correct security settings
As soon as I enable Inputs 1 & 2 to Card In 1 & 2; the mic on the board turns active as well..
Ican’t understand why our board has the Talk Back mic active. I’m hearing everything on the board from its internal mic. Why does yours not do that?
This seems like you have a different setting checked somewhere as this is not the typical scenario by default. I would begin by looking in the Monitoring section of the console (if you're on the full console it is just to the right of the screen... hit the view button in the corner). Go to Talkback A and deselect it from all MixBUSes. Do the same for Talkback B. Now, check and see if you still have the same issue. My guess is you have the Talkback mix set to go into a MixBUS being used for your live stream. Once you have identified the problem, you can re-engage the Talkback into a MixBUS one at a time. If the issue comes back during the process then you identified the problem and can make adjustments to fix it going forward.
@@AllamHouse i agree something isn’t routed or selected correctly.
interestingly, both TalkBack A and B have all buses deselected. When one is selected, it turns yellow, right?
I tried selecting it on one to focus only on that Bus, but that was to no help. All Buses are gray.
@@AllamHouse we found the Talkback A/B stopped picking up noise when we turned the physical Talk Level knob all the way to minimum. A few tests and it seems to be “muted”. 😌
That has you in the right direction and seems like you have an immediate fix, but it still seems like something is checked somewhere that is routing this signal into your livestream. Again, this is not standard.
Do you if it’s possible to send the master bus to the Aux on the x32 mixer cause I’ve used all 32 and trying to figure out if that’s even possible cause the Daw only see the channels and not the Aux.
I’m trying to understand what exactly you are trying to accomplish. If you need to send your Main mix out of your AUX outputs on the back of the console you can go to Routing > AUX and set your desired source that will go out the desired AUX plug. This does require hooking a physical cable to the physical output on the back of the console. The X-USB card can only carry 32 I/O so if you are recording 32 tracks already you will not have availability to push more across to your DAW. I hope this info helps, but if it doesn’t, reply back and let me know more of your ideal goal.
@@AllamHouse I’m want to send the mix from the Logic master bus to come out of the aux channels on the board. Logic only gives you options to use only channels 1-32 as a output into the mixer, is there anyway I can send the logic mix to play out of the Aux channels on the mixer without having to sacrifice any of my 32 channels?
I see. You are using 32 channels from the console into Logic, but you should route your DAW Master out USB 1/2 in Logic and that will come back to the console on USB 1/2. You can then route those two inputs to AUX 1/2 in Routing > Input on the far right side. The video you commented on walks you through this step by step.
I will do a video and sent to you maybe that will make more sense…
Sounds good. You can send the video to allamhousesound@gmail. c o m
If busses 11/12 are your livestream, why do you need two more XLR out, 13/14 for... livestream? Why not just use XLR outs 11/12?
Yes, the idea behind this setup is that you take your existing live stream setup (theoretically all on the console) and just insert the DAW in the middle. If done properly, you would not need to change your cabling from the console to your streaming device.
Thank you lovely lovey lovely
Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you have other questions.
What about that nasty latency issue that arises with effects? If you can’t use DAW effects, what is the sense in all that rerouting?
I’m not exactly sure what you are getting at with these questions. Ideally you would make your entire livestream mix in the DAW and then send it back to your console to be able to route it to your streaming device. This is NOT intended to be used for your house mix as it will be too latent, but this setup is used by many churches in livestream production.
@@AllamHouse , the problem is that the livestream audio and video don’t match up due to the latency.
Right. That is a common issue to deal with regardless of your livestream setup. The DAW will add latency and you have to be picky about the plugins you add so it doesn’t get out of hand. Ideally the video and audio portions can be adjusted (in ms) to match, but that is a different topic that I don’t usually cover.
Will this work while recording in daw?
Yes, but you will need to move your input 1&2 since they are taken up with tour stream. Here’s a video that discusses everything. czcams.com/video/Zb6ngDBuaDE/video.html
@@AllamHouse I’m not sure how to do this is protools. Is it better to use 31&32?
Will there be latency in the live stream with this method?
Even though there is latency from going through the daw the audio will still be ahead of the video, usually you need to put a delay on the daw output either in the daw or on the switcher.
It is common to have to delay the audio to match your video. This setup will add additional latency, but it will still need to be delayed and you should land with a tighter, more controlled mix.
Hey, Do you know how to do this on an allen & heath qu 32 or a presonus 32.4.2ai?
The only other board I have is an old Presonus 16.4.2 that runs firewire. I still use it to track drums sometimes, but I would have to play around with it to see if I could make it work. The overall concept would be the same though, send all tracks out to the DAW, build your mix in the DAW and send it back to the console. The challenge will be making sure you can designate where your signal goes when it comes back into the console. I've thought about picking up a QU recently just to learn it and make some videos about it since it has a wide user base. I believe the Presonus AI allows you to map specific I/O according to USB and build a custom setup. I know it works on their 32r (rack mountable) console.
Thanks for responding!! I played around with it last night but I couldn’t figure it out on either board..I know how to get everything running to the DAW.. I even know how to get playback from itunes/youtube to each board.. but I just can’t seem to get it mapped back to one of the mixes..
What DAW are you using?
Make sure you have sound coming into a mix bus (or main bus) in your DAW. You have to build/route this bus to a specific stereo output in the DAW that you send across USB back to the console. Then on the console there needs to be some routing for those inputs to go to a specific set of faders (inputs) that then can be used like normal. I'll mess around with my old Presonus board and see if I can figure it out. I would avoid sending the DAW audio out the headphone jack and back into the console like you might for standard audio playback as this will most likely cause some audio hum or ground noise.
I’m using Protools.. I have all that routing done inside of there..I’m just missing the routing thats done inside of the mixer..
I have the mixer ran via usb to my mac into protools 1-32 channels..all of them are lined up right..Then all of those outputs on those channels are ran to the master fader channel & I’m getting sound on the master fader..Then I ran an Aux Input & all 32 channels have sends on them ran to that Aux input..and that output on the Aux Input is ran to Output 3-4..
what if my mixer does not have a USB port, is there another way I could connect it
What mixer do you have?
@@AllamHouse Yamaha MGP32X
From what I see there is no way to do this DAW setup for your livestream. Your best bet is to run a. Post-fader mix on a pair of aux buses and try to use the built in FX for reverb in your stream.
@@AllamHouse well can't I use an audio interface connecting with the mixer to create a DAW.
It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The video that this comment is posted on discusses using your digital console like an audio interface and sending all tracks to your DAW to build a mix inside the DAW. Then route the DAW output back to the console to send to tour streaming device. If that is what you want to accomplish it will not work with your Yamaha console. However, if you just want to build a live stream mix on the Yamaha and then send it into a computer for live stream ... and you only need to send a stereo signal out of the Yamaha, then you can use an interface to convert the signal to USB and into tour computer.
Does the audio from the x32 come mixed ?
This setup would send raw audio into your DAW. You would do you live stream mixing in the DAW and then send that mixed signal back into tour console to then route to your streaming device. This would require two sound techs (one for house and one for stream).
@@AllamHouse is there a way for me to send the mixed signal to the daw?
Yes, depending on how you are building your mix, there are a few different options. I personally use an AUX mix and route it this way to be recorded into my DAW. I build my mix on the console and then send it out specific USB channels into my laptop using this routing setup. czcams.com/video/Vx4HjArTeZI/video.html
Question: How do you get Studio One to work with the X32?
1) Are you on MAC or Windows machine?
2) Which version of StudioOne are you running (Prime, Artist. Pro)?
3) Do you have the USB cable plugged into the X-USB slot on the back of the console?
@@AllamHouse To answer those questions, I'm more along the PC lines, since I'm more used to the platform. I'm starting off with the Artist (will update to
Pro later), and all things being equal, I would run the X-USB card out of the console.
On a Windows machine, make sure you download the X-USB driver, plug in the cable and open StudioOne (S1). Artist version offers multiple I/O so you will be fine for multitrack recording. Go into the song setup are of S1 and make sure you select X-USB from the drop down and then do the desired mapping of I/O in the DAW.
@@AllamHouse Got it, will it work with the Pro version as well?
Yeah, I mix in the pro version. The Prime (free) version has limited inputs, but you will be fine.