Kaabo Mantis Suspension Adjustment (Read description!) Deutsche Untertitel verfügbar
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2019
- As everyone mentiones since years i first turned the screw in the wrong direction being a bit nervour on the camera, more so as i noticed my hex bit slipping through. Screwdriver clockwise is softer (viewing from the underside it would be counterclockwise).
Subtitel (English and German) - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Thank you for the video. My mantis shocks came very tight. I needed this. Thank you so much !
I have the mantis and you have been the best source of information for this scooter. Thank you!
Thanks :)
thanks a lot, the suspension of my mantis was very hard, now right soft :)
very well, glad it helped :)
Many thanks Ralf, very helpful for me.
Bro u doing great with the video, giving some tips and others, should upload more often. :D
Nooooo! Don't do this. Nobody do this. This is dangerous advice that will mess up your scooter and possibly cause the failure of your suspension. This suspension in NOT adjustable. This bolt is meant to be screwed all the way in. It holds the suspension together. Loosening it will only make the spring feel softer for those people that are light enough that the spring does not compress at all when they stand on the scooter. If you stand on your scooter and the spring compress even a little bit, this will make NO DIFFERENCE when you're actually riding it. If you want softer or harder suspension, go on Aliexpress and buy softer or harder springs and when you install your new springs, turn that bolt all the way in!
You're right. The "partial unscrew" method is not good and i've stripped another scooter suspension this way already while others had accidents. It is dangerous. If it's believed the spring is compressed by that bolt without load, I'd rather use a longer bolt, screwed in fully. But all this changed meanwhile with model 2022, the screw is no longer M5 (Hex 4), but M6x65 (Hex 5) if i'm correct. So if there's 5mm extra space while bolt not hitting the damper, and the spring would not move when installed, then the upgrade to e.g. M6x70 makes sense.
Not sure if front and rear springs still differ in size.
Another potentional upgrade, the spring change, is possible, but only for lighter people as the red one is the toughest version (24% compression) and designated for 85-100kg.
this is what i've found.
Mantis v1 suspension bolts:
- M5x60 mm rear,
- M5x55 mm front,
- M10x80 mm steering screw.
Mantis v2:
- M5x60 mm rear,
- M6x65 mm front,
- barrel in suspension C
- M10x80 mm steering screw.
Mantis v3:
- M6x65 mm rear,
- M6x65 mm front,
- barrel in suspension C
- M10x80 mm steering screw.
if the spring length didn't change in the meantime (front: 35x60, rear: 35x65), then maybe the longer bolt won't even fit the newest model as Kaabo did the job already. The question is why the result is progressively stiffer suspension. Was the travel increased but PU hardened?
There is one important thing in this adjustment. Need to be careful to not unscrew it to much. It is only around 1cm maxium how deep you can screw in. So every turn is few minimeters less. If you unsrew to the end screw will not hold and this could be a bit dangerous if it happen on the ride. I know because I experience this myself. Finally I decided to.make it quite hard because I prefer Dualtron type of suspension and I ride fast.
Krystian Wlodarczak Kristinan did you make any upgrades to the suspension? What is your weight? I am also in Poland, 85kg and I hit the back mud guard on smaller bumps. Any source for the stronger elastomers or springs in Poland?
Thanks for putting up the video, I did this and the ride quality is much better, I'm not sure how much I wound the screw out, 6-8 half turns I think. It's a good idea to put some grease or spray lube on the pin while it's out, mine was as dry as a bone.
Okay, don't do this, it's going to lead to premature failure of the suspension. I took the suspension apart on my 2022 mantis 10 base after doing what this guy says in the video and I was horrified to see that the bolt going through the centre of the spring was holding on by about 1/2 of its threads and it had clearly damaged the internal threads of the upper spring mount. This is not a fix, it's a bodge job.
please note that this video is over 2 years old and only solves problems with mantis build at that time. They already made six minor changes until the 2022-version. So if you use a video to fix, check which version you have ;)
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 I have a 2022 version and the front spring and setup is exactly the same.
Best thing to do with the mantis is to replace the rubber bushes inside the springs with harder or softer ones depending on your preference. I like mine hard
Absolutely. The early mantis version i had was extremely soft and i replaced the bushings later with harder ones.
Pull the trigger and get to the chopper now!!!! 😂😂😂😂 he was like pull da throttle!!!!!
Hallo, wieviele Umdrehungen sollte man erstmal versuchen? Ich will es weicher haben
What is the easiest way of removing the large stem bolt that's above the front fender?
Unscrew it...? It may be hard to do however because it has to be tight. It also helps to heat it up because there is loctite in it.
Hi, I weigh 55 kg, how many turns should I do to soften the suspension? Thanks
it cant be said like that because we dont know how stiff it is in the first place (this varies a bit with every unit and batch). you have to try
I have also mantis 8 but i have light problem after 100km when i star run front light is star shining and also light button blue light is shining little what can be the problem can you help me there was no proble till 118km it happen in this morning
Thank you yea
Hi it this ok to ride in rain? i just orderd pro version 24,5ah with 60v.
thx mate very good video!
Hi, newer versions should come "somehow" waterprooved. Kaabo recommends to not ride in the rain and by the way the scooter is designed i would also not recommend to do it if you can avoid it (if you get caught in the rain you have no option anyway).
Hi, I have this one , exactly the same like yours. I am riding in the rain sometimes and nothing happened so far after a few minutes of rain. But it's rather not dedicated for longer trips in heavy rain.
Hi Ralf. How are you? This is not a suspension adjustment related question. Just wondering if you can advice on switching or exchanging the current/stock handlebar with a longer one. Let me know what you think of this. Thanks.
From the logical point of view, if you can lock the longer pole (handle bar) into position, then I don't see why not. Were you thinking of welding an extension to the current pole?
This should be no problem as long as you use the 22mm (7/8") Handlebars. These are typically used on BMX bikes and some motorcycles.
Thanks Ralf. I don't like the stock handlebar that came with the scooter because it's too limited on the space near the stem.
@@ralfhalbknapp1104 By the way, how can I change the brake rotors? I want to put something with better color and design. Any ideas how to take them out? Let me know okay. Thanks.
Can you make a video as to how to silicone seal a mantis properly?
No, because this video is was uploaded in September 2019 and I do not have this scooter anymore.
So, I did this modification and have been thinking. While this does soften the spring by decreasing the preload on it, I don't think it's a particularly good solution as it puts extra tension on the swing arm/control arm which might lead to early failure and extra load on the bushings and spring retaining bolt. A better solution would be a weaker spring, and while I understand that is not easy to achieve, I wonder if there is anything available?. Another option would be to take the spring out and machine/grind it down, I don't mean shorten it, I am meaning reducing the size of the coils. Any thoughts?.
Not sure if I'd go to that extent, a!s it would create weaker areas in the coil where it's been ground more than others, and lead to potential failure of the coil. Unless one can accurately grind the entire coil equally in every spot which in my opinion would be virtually impossible, on top of which, the heat created while grinding will impact structural integrity of the metal itself. Your best bet would be to contact a local machine shop, any one of which can create a new coil to your particular specs. Or rummage thru a salvage yard where one can find all sorts of useful repurposed items. They are gold mines for engineers such as myself and a source of endless possibilities .
@@doctornovocaine5156 I was thinking of mounting the spring in a drill and using an internal sander/grinder on the inner surface of the spring while it rotated slowly to reduce the diameter of the coils. A lathe would be even better, but unfortunately I don't have one of those. I doubt that heat would be an issue
@@onecookieboyI also didn't consider how much you are wanting to remove and the actual composition of the metal, that too will be a factor. Because for any material to start stripping away at the metal you would have to have either significant pressure with something coarse or sharp enough to strip metal at slow speeds or a material less coarse or sharp at higher speeds thus causing the heat issue. So again my only fear would be if your planning to remove a significant amount of the coil, would be the heat. Although if only for a short duration; depending on the material, wouldn't be that huge of an issue.
@@doctornovocaine5156 I am pretty confident that a sanding drum on a dremel type of grinder would be controllable enough to remove material evenly without too much heat buildup. It is just spring steel afterall, not that special and pretty hard to mess up, it would have to be heated to cherry red and quenched to effect the springiness of it.
you can choose from 5 Mantis springs on Ali, 5 softness styles. but then you will hear more bottoming sound obviously. heavy people perhaps shouldn't change. the best would be a whole different suspension on this scooter or upgrade to King. it's too far from Vsett luxury suspension, very stiff!
The problem with mantis , I tried normal and GT pro is that the footrest touches the mudguard on the back on small bumps and my weight is 80kg. Happens also when you jump on the deck...
Absolutely - only solution i found is change the (rear) rubber rod inside the Spring to a harder one from e-watts.fr but sadly this piece is constantly sold out
ralf halbknapp I even saw your comment there, please put a video how to install it or maybe there is one already recorded? I will email them to ask for this :) with my 80kg it seems I’m too heavy, maybe I am 85 kg now after covid lockdown. I checked e watts fr website and I am surprised they don’t have mudguard extension for Mantis, it is a must have .. so I guess I have to get it on Ali or bring it to a local e bike service. Maybe that rubber rod is also available on Ali
ralf halbknapp ok it’a available again on e watts! I am going to get 2, one for the front and one for the back. You also commented on e watts website that you had to cut the 60mm to 50mm for the back suspension and you also bought longer screws M5 65mm instead of 60mm. I will do the same. Did you replace front and back to 50 mm elastomer and 65mm M5 screws or only back suspension? How is it performing after some time ?
At the end you should have said "I'll Be Back".
Hi this is 800W version "ECO"?
No, i had a 2x1000W and a 500W Version.
If you unscrew it, the bolt head will hit axis when spring will compress.
I would like to know how you got your axle back through the arms.. I had a problem. Yesterday I loosened mine yet it is still SO hard :( I want it looser but if I have it any looser the axle won't go back through...
I guess they changed the new mantis suspension in a way that there is now more preload then on my unit (meaning it is less relaxed if unscrewed and harder to put on). Maybe if you want it softer overall try cut a bit from the inner PU Rod to make it shorter and more relaxed (only a cm or so).
Hey I have sorted my suspension out 😀 but thank you!
@@electchick_ what did you do? i just loosened mine by 20 half turns
It's a nightmare lol I had to take out the axle for the arms first then bang out in the suspension axle. Then put it back the same way lol but it's soft as f#ck now so I'm happy either way 😊
@@electchick_ how many turns did you do from tight
Salut,
Attention avec cette méthode la tige d'amortisseur ne fait que 7 de diamètre et le pas de vis est faible.
Risque d'arrachement et perte de la petite pièce cylindrique qui est dans le bloc suspension.
La solution de réparation est de prendre une tige de 8 et de refaire les pas de vis de la petite pièce mais c'est provisoire si elle n'est pas serrée à fond sinon ça va coûter un bloc suspension complet entre 95€ et 110€....
Pour assouplir sans trop de risque il vaut mieux changer le ressort et le tube nylon 😉
Bonjour, j'ai déjà pensé à remplacer les vis par une version plus épaisse, c'est une bonne idée. Je comprends que cela peut mal finir lorsque la vis se casse et qu'une pièce se coince.
Were u purchased your mantis from ?
I purchased through Alibaba, at that time there was no local dealer available. you can contact Michael Sha - "sales6@kaabo.com.cn"
Well, I ordered from these Chinese, it took 15 days to build and another 15 for me to recieve ;-) But if you are US based you can purchase locally and most of all have local service and Spare parts
I am from Austria by the way :)
Doing it all wrong sir....your not unscrewing it, your actualy tightening it.
sorry bout that - you are right. =D
You still did a fine job and your theory was 100% correct! You just had it flip-flopped. Anyone that knows how to turn a wrench knows what you were talking about!(I do have to confess I cringed when I heard the snap!)😳
Dude your tightening it lol righty tighty lefty loosey bro
So ein Murkser da ist ja alles vernudelt bei dem herumgemurkse
Es war dann auch tatsächlich vernudelt. Der Schrauben war mit Schraubenkleber befestigt und mit dem Innensechskant den ich zur Verfügung hatte gerade noch zu lösen, ich bin fast von Anfang an durchgerutscht.
You turn the srew wrong way if you want it softer...! And I think it was 5mm Imbus and not 4mm
Non c'è in italiano?
Hallo Ralf .....bin stolzer Besitzer eines Kaabo Mantis 10 und den würde ich gerne bei euch durchchecken lassen paar Kleinigkeiten sind mir aufgefallen.
Könnte ich Mittwoch vorbeikommen warst du dann im Geschäft
LG Michael
Hallo Peter, sorry - das ist mein Privater Kanal und ich schaue auch nur sehr unregelmäßig vorbei. Deine Nachricht betrifft die Geschäftstätigkeit meiner Frau - ich empfehle dir ihr für diese Zwecke ein Email zu schreiben.
looooooooooooool
this is overly complicated
der Punkt ist du ziehst mehr an... das hat nix mit einem bad example zu tun
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