I overhauled my 41TE 1997 DGC, (with 270K km, I'm the 2nd maybe 3rd owner, and my first car in Canada and no budget for shop overhaul). It has downshift bump when bought it and after a year of careful use and maintenance (tranny & engine change oil), it went to "limp mode". It will not shift to 2nd or 3rd but has the reverse. The code (I can't remember the #) says "internal mechanical issue". I replaced all plates, clutches, rings, 2 speed sensors, UD clutch, checked/cleaned/flushed the solenoid body, torque converter, pump, new ATF+4 but re-use the old solenoid pack. Before that I tested this SP and the ohms are good within specs. The reason is I can still replace it later if the downshift bumps persist. After the overhaul, all codes were gone but the bump is still there, just like the tranny was before the limp-mode. After running some +300km., I replaced the SP with new Wagner. The van works well smoothly during road test but reverts to its old bumps today just after some 50 km. What else should I need to check/do to remove the bumps, there's no code. I know that if I these bumps continue, it will to totally erase the spline of the sun and planetary gear assembly. I found out this was the reason why the tranny went on "limp-mode", because the assembly was no more mechanically connected and not driving the shaft due to total loss of spline. I replaced this assembly in the overhaul and did the air clutches test with good results. I have not yet tried the re-learn by scanner. Please help. I love this van. Thank you for reading and advise.
If you haven't noticed i'm trying to be very thorough and really understand transmissions from a level of understanding like yours. so your teachings and many others have made this possible in the CZcams world and i thank you so so so very much
it's reliable after all the upgrades they did, but it's really underpowered, especially when paired on the caravan/grand caravan. Mines shifts fine, but it lacks power, no torque.
A very innovative design for the 1980's, which others copied. Rather than bands, they ground the drums via clutch plates to the case. A way to squeeze 4 gears in. Somehow, designers managed to get 9 gears today in a reasonable length case.
Hi! Thanks for video. Can you recommend some replacement of original oil Mopar ATF+4 for 41TE? I have no way to buy it. Maybe, Valvoline ATF+4 or Ravenol ATF+4?
After some research I thought of a better way to describe whats going on with the 2007 pt cruiser , it's a downshift after I have stopped , I also feel it more on abupt stops ! My wife does almost all the driving so this is what I'm feeling as a passenger. I'm also still trying to find a bidirectional scanner focused on Chrysler. This PT cruiser was my wifes choice not mine, I suggested getting a Toyota ! I still drive my 1995 Chevy work truck that we have chatted about before.
Check the TP sensor to make sure it's showing closed throttle when you are stopping when this happens. I saw that on a Jeep Grand Cherokee that was doing The same thing. Also, try removing both battery cables and touching them together to clear any trash data out of the ECM.
@@McCuistian I think the bluedriver will display the TP. This has been going on for awhile. We bought this car 4/15/22 with 36,000 miles on it. When I got it home being it was 15 years old I replaced all belts(including timing belt) all timing componants,water pump,hoses,radiator,radiator fan assembly,engine mounts and took it for a test drive after i was done and felt that downshift then.
@@guyaldrich5878 whatever you firstkey it on it reads the base throttle position voltage... flags that as closed throttle. Whenever it is calculating its transmission downshifts it looks at that throttle position voltage to make sure it has gone back to close throttle. Is hanging just above closed throttle it doesn't even know you have completely let off the gas and it will screw up that downshift. That's what was going on with the Jeep that I mentioned earlier
@@McCuistianit works on a JR41 platform cars? I have a Sebring 2004, 1st gear engages with delay and too hard in both ways - P to D and 2nd to 1st. When transmission is cold, sometimes 1st gear engages witn double hit, but when hot, it works excellent.
@@ON____AIR I'm assuming you don't have any diagnostic trouble codes? That little solenoid body isn't very difficult to change and doesn't cost all that much... We have replaced those before when working on a wonky transmission problem...
Either something wrong with the torque converter or the torque converter clutch solenoid failing mechanically or the torque converter clutch solenoid electrical circuit.
I watch his videos very often and I have solved many problems with my car buenas tardes tengo Chrysler Voyager 2003 el problema que tengo, es que cuando estoy detenido en una esquina con el motor en marcha, a veces el velocimetro se vuelve loco y el auto se pone a tironear, ante esta situacion tengo que cambiar la marcha a NEUTRAL , para que todo se normalice. no he encontrado ningun tecnico que lo pueda solucionar. Usted podria ayudarme a resolver el problema? atte. Francisco Arismendi Chile good afternoon I have Chrysler Voyager 2003 The problem I have is that when I am stopped in a corner with the engine running, sometimes the speedometer goes crazy and the car starts to jerk, in this situation I have to change the gear to NEUTRAL, so that everything normalizes . I have not found any technician who can solve it. Could you help me solve the problem? Atte. Francisco Arismendi Chile
I have a 2010 avenger 2.4 with 41te. I have changed the tipm and solenoid pack. When the transmission gets up to operating temp it will go into limp mode. I decided to go ahead and change the transmission as well.. same problem all with new stuff. Could it be the ecm?
My friend, where is the defect in this transmission.. why is it so notorious.. where is the common problem.. where is the manufacturing defect of Chrysler in this transmission.. and how to treat it and fix it or avoid it
Owner's forums say the biggest reason for failures is that shops refill them with cheaper Dexron fluid. That causes torque converter chatter. Shops still do that, saying they added a bottle of friction modifier. Don't allow that in your vehicle. Only use ATF+4. There is no "universal ATF". Those jugs disclaims "where OE was Dexron or Mercon fluid". There were a few early glitches, but all fixed by ~1988 design. When rebuilding an earlier ones, do the upgrades in the shop manual, which is mostly differing internal gaskets with drain holes and such.
i have a 99 300m w/ a 4 sp fwd tranny .the problem with it is when downshifting to low gear,there is a lull in the gear but once you press the accelerator engine speeds up and tran has a hard engage ment.all the outher gears change fine and smooth ,up and down ,if you slow down to almost stop and attemt to speed back up is when it happens ,can you help me with what part and steps to remove and replace?. no codes i
just wondering the output speed shaft shows 1392 RPM and the input speed shaft shows 2000 RPM but it says it's in overdrive. isn't the output shaft supposed to be spinning faster and it says there is also no slip. If anyone knows the answer it would be most appreciated
Whats it mean when the transmission shifts sort of hard and also slips a tiny bit on a somewhat rare occasion? Do I need to change the fluid or is it too full? I know you aren't supposed to put additives but I remember adding some stop slip. I have a dodge neon with a PT cruiser transmission (41Te or 40Te I can't remember). I spent so much time on rebuilding the motor and also I swapped two transmissions because the flexplate wouldn't bolt up the first time. Any idea on the slippage and hard shifting would be appreciated. And btw it has a majority of AT+4 in it. Should I be able to use a syringe to remove the old fluid or will I have to drop the pan? Thanks.
@@McCuistian I am not sure what packing is ,but I'm guessing that your asking am I adding more gas after the pump quits on it's own. My wife said she stops putting in gas when it quits. Could you please explain your theory on this ? This lurching feels like your being bumped from behind , you turn around and look and no one is there. I have another 41te transmission sitting in a 2009 PT which was wrecked with only 36,000 on it so I can swap parts if needed. To be honest I have not watched your video on that transmission yet but I am going to. So should I just replace the evap cannister and see if the problem goes away or is there a way to test it ?
@@guyaldrich5878 Well, what happens is that, because the EVAP will begin to purge without warning, it can be idling normally and when the purge starts, fuel from a saturated canister will suddenly enter the intake manifold and almost stall the engine, but then the idle speed will suddenly correct and cause the vehicle to surge ahead. I've had people say it almost caused them to crash into the car in front of them. You may have a problem with the transmission, but I usually like to eliminate other possibilities before I jump to that. Are there any codes stored?
@@McCuistian no engine light and this lurch is very strange , no change in engine rpm and happens 5 to 10 seconds after I am already stopped ! I will check to see if there are any stored codes tomorrow. The car has 58,108 miles on it. I replaced the transmission filter and 4 1/2 quarts of transmission fluid 3 weeks ago. I measured the fluid that was removed and put back in exactly what I removed !
its all about the clutch clearances,and they have to be addressed while you are inside,in testing if the clutches are worn,the volume index tells whether the clutch clearance is too wide and will throw the unit in limp in to protect the internals
Hi. I have a quick question. The 41te I am working on has a plug just to the left of the range sensor. I cannot find any information what that plug is. I have pulled the valve body (the transmission temp is reading incorrectly) and it seems as though that plug leads to a solenoid of some sort. I appreciate any info you can share. Thank you
Awesome. Thank you very much. That is exactly what I needed to know. That zcan data appeared to be reading correctly so, time to put her back together.
The guy could make it to a good instructor with all the years of experience if he doesn't roll/twist his tongue too fast. These are worst nightmare of students.
I overhauled my 41TE 1997 DGC, (with 270K km, I'm the 2nd maybe 3rd owner, and my first car in Canada and no budget for shop overhaul). It has downshift bump when bought it and after a year of careful use and maintenance (tranny & engine change oil), it went to "limp mode". It will not shift to 2nd or 3rd but has the reverse. The code (I can't remember the #) says "internal mechanical issue". I replaced all plates, clutches, rings, 2 speed sensors, UD clutch, checked/cleaned/flushed the solenoid body, torque converter, pump, new ATF+4 but re-use the old solenoid pack. Before that I tested this SP and the ohms are good within specs. The reason is I can still replace it later if the downshift bumps persist. After the overhaul, all codes were gone but the bump is still there, just like the tranny was before the limp-mode. After running some +300km., I replaced the SP with new Wagner. The van works well smoothly during road test but reverts to its old bumps today just after some 50 km. What else should I need to check/do to remove the bumps, there's no code. I know that if I these bumps continue, it will to totally erase the spline of the sun and planetary gear assembly. I found out this was the reason why the tranny went on "limp-mode", because the assembly was no more mechanically connected and not driving the shaft due to total loss of spline. I replaced this assembly in the overhaul and did the air clutches test with good results. I have not yet tried the re-learn by scanner. Please help. I love this van. Thank you for reading and advise.
لماذا لاتغير ناقل الحركة بآخر .. لتحل المشكلة .. لن كنت لاتعرف اين تقع .
thanks your the man ive watched almost every vid
If you haven't noticed i'm trying to be very thorough and really understand transmissions from a level of understanding like yours. so your teachings and many others have made this possible in the CZcams world and i thank you so so so very much
And never mind on the pinion factor you just answered the question haha
It's a decent transmission, not great but can last a bit longer with service.
417000+km on my so far!
it's reliable after all the upgrades they did, but it's really underpowered, especially when paired on the caravan/grand caravan. Mines shifts fine, but it lacks power, no torque.
A very innovative design for the 1980's, which others copied. Rather than bands, they ground the drums via clutch plates to the case. A way to squeeze 4 gears in. Somehow, designers managed to get 9 gears today in a reasonable length case.
It was saying to reprogram pinion factor that helps a little bit more
Hi! Thanks for video.
Can you recommend some replacement of original oil Mopar ATF+4 for 41TE?
I have no way to buy it.
Maybe, Valvoline ATF+4 or Ravenol ATF+4?
Any of the transmission oils that have friction modifier will typically work okay.
@@McCuistian thank you so much, peace to you.
After some research I thought of a better way to describe whats going on with the 2007 pt cruiser , it's a downshift after I have stopped , I also feel it more on abupt stops ! My wife does almost all the driving so this is what I'm feeling as a passenger. I'm also still trying to find a bidirectional scanner focused on Chrysler. This PT cruiser was my wifes choice not mine, I suggested getting a
Toyota ! I still drive my 1995 Chevy work truck that we have chatted about before.
Check the TP sensor to make sure it's showing closed throttle when you are stopping when this happens. I saw that on a Jeep Grand Cherokee that was doing The same thing. Also, try removing both battery cables and touching them together to clear any trash data out of the ECM.
@@McCuistian I think the bluedriver will display the TP. This has been going on for awhile. We bought this car 4/15/22 with 36,000 miles on it. When I got it home being it was 15 years old I replaced all belts(including timing belt) all timing componants,water pump,hoses,radiator,radiator fan assembly,engine mounts and took it for a test drive after i was done and felt that downshift then.
@@guyaldrich5878 whatever you firstkey it on it reads the base throttle position voltage... flags that as closed throttle. Whenever it is calculating its transmission downshifts it looks at that throttle position voltage to make sure it has gone back to close throttle. Is hanging just above closed throttle it doesn't even know you have completely let off the gas and it will screw up that downshift. That's what was going on with the Jeep that I mentioned earlier
@@McCuistianit works on a JR41 platform cars? I have a Sebring 2004, 1st gear engages with delay and too hard in both ways - P to D and 2nd to 1st. When transmission is cold, sometimes 1st gear engages witn double hit, but when hot, it works excellent.
@@ON____AIR I'm assuming you don't have any diagnostic trouble codes? That little solenoid body isn't very difficult to change and doesn't cost all that much... We have replaced those before when working on a wonky transmission problem...
I have a code of p0733 p0700 which are both transmission codes with the same transmission on my 2010 crystler Sebring 2.4
I think that slide is wrong at 12:34. It should be Output speed or 1,392, not engine speed.
What exactly are flash updated TCM's. Thank you for great videos
What would cause the torque converter to be locked up at all times.
Either something wrong with the torque converter or the torque converter clutch solenoid failing mechanically or the torque converter clutch solenoid electrical circuit.
If all forward gears are working but reverse is not. dose this mean it’s worn out clutches if so why is only reverse affected
Could you please explain to me what a pinion factor is. Thank you so much
I watch his videos very often and I have solved many problems with my car
buenas tardes
tengo Chrysler Voyager 2003
el problema que tengo, es que cuando estoy detenido en una esquina con el motor en marcha, a veces el velocimetro se vuelve loco y el auto se pone a tironear, ante esta situacion tengo que cambiar la marcha a NEUTRAL , para que todo se normalice.
no he encontrado ningun tecnico que lo pueda solucionar.
Usted podria ayudarme a resolver el problema?
atte.
Francisco Arismendi
Chile
good afternoon
I have Chrysler Voyager 2003
The problem I have is that when I am stopped in a corner with the engine running, sometimes the speedometer goes crazy and the car starts to jerk, in this situation I have to change the gear to NEUTRAL, so that everything normalizes .
I have not found any technician who can solve it.
Could you help me solve the problem?
Atte.
Francisco Arismendi
Chile
has the landing where's thinner the fingers on the pressure plate rise and that causes the pedal to be higher
I have a 2010 avenger 2.4 with 41te. I have changed the tipm and solenoid pack. When the transmission gets up to operating temp it will go into limp mode. I decided to go ahead and change the transmission as well.. same problem all with new stuff. Could it be the ecm?
@@glenndux7794 possibly but check your wiring, pin fit in the connectors, etc. Do that first.
My friend, where is the defect in this transmission.. why is it so notorious.. where is the common problem.. where is the manufacturing defect of Chrysler in this transmission.. and how to treat it and fix it or avoid it
Owner's forums say the biggest reason for failures is that shops refill them with cheaper Dexron fluid. That causes torque converter chatter. Shops still do that, saying they added a bottle of friction modifier. Don't allow that in your vehicle. Only use ATF+4. There is no "universal ATF". Those jugs disclaims "where OE was Dexron or Mercon fluid". There were a few early glitches, but all fixed by ~1988 design. When rebuilding an earlier ones, do the upgrades in the shop manual, which is mostly differing internal gaskets with drain holes and such.
Are adaptive values the same as clutch volume index thanks again so much
i have a 99 300m w/ a 4 sp fwd tranny .the problem with it is when downshifting to low gear,there is a lull in the gear but once you press the accelerator engine speeds up and tran has a hard engage ment.all the outher gears change fine and smooth ,up and down ,if you slow down to almost stop and attemt to speed back up is when it happens ,can you help me with what part and steps to remove and replace?. no codes
i
get a scan tool that will show you clutch volume index and see what those numbers reveal.
just wondering the output speed shaft shows 1392 RPM and the input speed shaft shows 2000 RPM but it says it's in overdrive. isn't the output shaft supposed to be spinning faster and it says there is also no slip. If anyone knows the answer it would be most appreciated
Hello i have a 08 sebring 2.4 with a u0101 code. Its in limp mode cant figure this out. Have you ever encountered this?
When you clear the code does it come back immediately?
Whats it mean when the transmission shifts sort of hard and also slips a tiny bit on a somewhat rare occasion? Do I need to change the fluid or is it too full? I know you aren't supposed to put additives but I remember adding some stop slip. I have a dodge neon with a PT cruiser transmission (41Te or 40Te I can't remember).
I spent so much time on rebuilding the motor and also I swapped two transmissions because the flexplate wouldn't bolt up the first time. Any idea on the slippage and hard shifting would be appreciated. And btw it has a majority of AT+4 in it. Should I be able to use a syringe to remove the old fluid or will I have to drop the pan? Thanks.
why does the clutch pedal get higher thats interesting
I have a 2007 pt cruiser that lurches after I am stopped at a light intermittently. Any idea's on what could cause this ?
Do you pack the gas tank when you gas up? A saturated EVAP canister can cause that
@@McCuistian I am not sure what packing is ,but I'm guessing that your asking am I adding more gas after the pump quits on it's own. My wife said she stops putting in gas when it quits. Could you please explain your theory on this ? This lurching feels like your being bumped from behind , you turn around and look and no one is there. I have another 41te transmission sitting in a 2009 PT which was wrecked with only 36,000 on it so I can swap parts if needed. To be honest I have not watched your video on that transmission yet but I am going to. So should I just replace the evap cannister and see if the problem goes away or is there a way to test it ?
@@guyaldrich5878 Well, what happens is that, because the EVAP will begin to purge without warning, it can be idling normally and when the purge starts, fuel from a saturated canister will suddenly enter the intake manifold and almost stall the engine, but then the idle speed will suddenly correct and cause the vehicle to surge ahead. I've had people say it almost caused them to crash into the car in front of them. You may have a problem with the transmission, but I usually like to eliminate other possibilities before I jump to that. Are there any codes stored?
@@McCuistian no engine light and this lurch is very strange , no change in engine rpm and happens 5 to 10 seconds after I am already stopped ! I will check to see if there are any stored codes tomorrow. The car has 58,108 miles on it. I replaced the transmission filter and 4 1/2 quarts of transmission fluid 3 weeks ago. I measured the fluid that was removed and put back in exactly what I removed !
@@guyaldrich5878 Was this problem present before the fluid change?
What would low clutch volume indexing mean or be caused from
its all about the clutch clearances,and they have to be addressed while you are inside,in testing if the clutches are worn,the volume index tells whether the clutch clearance is too wide and will throw the unit in limp in to protect the internals
Hi. I have a quick question. The 41te I am working on has a plug just to the left of the range sensor. I cannot find any information what that plug is. I have pulled the valve body (the transmission temp is reading incorrectly) and it seems as though that plug leads to a solenoid of some sort. I appreciate any info you can share. Thank you
What year model and vehicle?
2007 sebring 2.4l
It looks like a pressure sensor and a solenoid connected to the plug, both mounted onto the top of the valve body
@@IamKurr That's shown to be an "Assembly Line Pressure Sensor/Variable Force Solenoid" on the location illustration I have.
Awesome. Thank you very much. That is exactly what I needed to know. That zcan data appeared to be reading correctly so, time to put her back together.
The guy could make it to a good instructor with all the years of experience if he doesn't roll/twist his tongue too fast. These are worst nightmare of students.