This NEW European Wind Turbine for Home Outbeats PV Solar Panels in 2023?!
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- The new Liam F1 wind turbine for home that outbeats PV solar panels in 2023. Yes, you heard me right, this amazing device can generate more electricity than solar panels, and it's virtually soundless, compact, and easy to install. How is that possible? Well, stay tuned and find out!
00:00 Introduction
02:19 Comparison with solar panels
04:30 Cost and installation
06:11 Benefits and drawbacks
08:46 Conclusion
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We have a 19Kw solar system and we did so after monitoring wind speeds for 18 months. The result of that monitoring showed us wind was not viable for us, and we are in a place considered "windy." We have wind almost every single day ranging from 5 to 20mph. A windless day is very rare. However based on all the turbines available at the time none showed anything like what solar does for pay back time. Our solar will be paid off in 12 years. Wind was 30 years. We also have with 3 Tesla Powerwalls and the key is the batteries, not really the method of generation. Whether you use wind or solar, both are not full time and batteries take up a lot of the load. As it was, we spent 70% on panels and 30% on batteries, but if I did it over again, I think I'd do 60% on panels and 40% on batteries. Now as to this particular turbine, I don't see $4500 worth of material there. I think I could reproduce that for $2000 and I'm just a DIY guy. In mass production I don't see why that could not be done for $1000 wholesale, $2000 retail.
that is complete BS. What's the point in making this $4500 wind turbine with allegedly high efficiency with about 1m diameter when you can make a 1.5m diameter turbine with half efficiency but at only $500 or two turbines at 1m diameter with half efficiency but only at $300 each. The problem is put like the wind would be a scarce resource not the money. It is much simpler to make more cheap turbines even less efficient than a very expensive one. For instance hawt's have efficiencies of about 35-50% and vawt's between 30-40% but the vawt's are very cheap (like savonius) two vawt's might cost the same as a hawt yet provide more energy.
Take a look at the alternatives. for example there is a 7kw wind generator for £850. The problem though is the power falls off at low wind speeds, e.g. 7mph which is our average wind speed gives about 30w. The power/speed curve is a kind of s-shaped curve.
Your calculations for the wind turbines are somewhere very wrong.
For stable wind from 5 to 20 mph you should get the same effect as from PV.
If this product goes to China or India I think we indians can make it in just 200 euros or dollars, that's it 😂😢😮
I don't think it is fair to compare this particular turbine with just other wind turbines. The design of the propeller is particularly receptive to winds at different angles and speeds, well beyond the HAWT/VAWT variant...
In the 15 years we have had solar PV, the panel peformance degradation has been almost zero. We've cleaned them once.
We have had pv solar for 30 there is some degradation but not bad! I’m sure newer models are even better
Thank you for posting that. All I read is that they degrade over time and need to be replaced in 25-30 years? In reality - probably not. If you amortize the cost of installation over 50 years they really look like a bargain.
@@markstephenson6952Had our original array up since 2012, cleaned two years ago as we had some lichen form on the top ones. Last August we had our best ever production on that array. Bottom line, there may be some small degradation over the years but it’s the amount of sun shining is the one that makes the difference. With the wind turbines their production is also dependant on weather, the wind. They shouldn’t be viewed as competition for each other, as the video said.
@@lynnfisher4396 There is a kind of anticorrelation between wind and sun. Still, these things are over-priced, so I can't see a great demand.
@@jonathannumer5415 @grahamsouthon553 is properly 16-18% efficient, mine are 2009 panels and are 12-14%, today's solar max's out a 22%, and the maximum efficiency possible is 25%, my array still as the same production as from new, from the yr by yr data, when I sell solar to customers I point out satellites have been in space scene 1955 and most people may still have a Casio solar Calc from the 70s.
I'm sure there will be some losses, if they still work, don't try to fix them.
I have worked in the wind industry, and with the wind industry, for more than 30 years, and over the years, one wind turbine after another has been introduced claiming to be the new wonder when it comes to extracting energy from the wind.
All these companies, and their little "wonder mills", are all as one, closed again, almost as quickly as they arose. And this one, seen in the video, will be just another example of this.
And at the price that is stated, it is probably the best thing to still buy your El, where you now buy it.
Regardless of how you build a turbine or how you design it, you can only extract the amount of energy from the wind that the wind contains.
And the best wind turbines to do this are the large turbines that we see today, both on land, but especially at sea, and which are specialized down to the smallest detail, to extract the maximum potential from the energy that is available in the wind, at a given time.
czcams.com/video/0k8-G9yNud0/video.html "As far as we can roughly remember! at 3 ms - 4 W. 6 m.s. 100 W 8 ms. --300 W"
This looks too good to be true. In this video, the Archimedes is claimed to be producing 1500W. At their website, they have a graph showing the max output is 1000W. On their Archimedes Windmill 2023 brochure, it claims their max output is 700W Kinetic energy but only 550 W electric... Something doesn't add up.
Seems like they were heavily bribed to sell this turbine!
Solar panels are better long term. Install the low light level panels for winter or cloudy climate areas.
Wind turbines are only feasible in coastal or near coastal areas.
It is physics. You can't gain that much power from such a small thing and gain that much electric energy.
These things also need to be storm-proof...
Viable wind turbines sit on a at least 20 m high mast and have a diameter of 5 m. The yield increases exponential with diameter.
@@alis49281
FLASH: JULY 2023; The panels of a solar farm in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, that were destroyed in a hailstorm last week will likely be taken to a landfill. There’s no way to recycle a solar panel to produce another one, and it’s not economical to recover minerals from them.
It doesn't say 1500 watts output in the video. It says 1500kwh a year of electric produced.
Because somebody is lying
Your credibility is fantastically increased after we see 150 km/hr when you are saying 1500 kWhr output produced per year. (Min. 2.31).
I am impressed with the quality of this production.
Lol
2:32 1500 km/h
LOL, that he liked this comment. I also noticed the errors too. He needs a new editor.
And they talk about average wind speed of 5m/s, a lot of cities will be far less which equates to roughly 12% of the output they claim.
Not to mention saying solar panels only generate power during the day, but the wind turbine generates power day or night WHEN THERE IS WIND. And then it says solar panels degrade 0.5% per year but not the wind turbine. Solar panels are guaranteed 25 years for some level of output like 80%-90% of rated. The Liam is only guaranteed 20 years.
I think it still better using both wind turbine and solar panel for greater efficiency
Yeah, the title doesn't make sense. They don't compete for resources except money. They serve different use profiles.
If you’re in a consistently windy area and you’ve maxed out on available space for solar and you have lots of extra money that you want to spend, then wind makes sense.
Yup, with an average wind of 3-5 mph not including convection the archemedis can provide power all the time.
Solar and water would completely fill the duty cycles and provide excess energy.
You’d have reserve batteries and water for power during emergencies and high demand.
We would no longer need a grid or centralized systems of authority that don’t care about you or reducing pollution and nuclear waste
Solar panels end up in land fill.
I think nuclear is far more energy dense
As a lot of people learnt during the solar panel install boom that happened about 15 to 20 years ago, a 20 year guarantee is only useful if the company is still around in 20 years.
There were a lot of companies setup back then that offered 20 year guaranties on their installs, but when the customer had issues a couple years down the line due to substandard products being installed badly, they found that the company had gone out of business (But oddly enough, all the original staff then started working for a company that has a very similar name, that provided the exact same services/products, and was setup only a few weeks before the original company liquidated).
I'm not saying that this company is like one of those, but I'd certainly want to know more about the history and future prospects of any company who's business plan involves making money out of the latest news story monopolising topic before I spent any money with them.
Only ylthe panels have 20 year warranty, not anything else
@@benburton3496 That's not true. Companies also guarantee their work.
Here in the UK there are schemes that guarantee stuff even if the installer has gone bust. I had the best fitted 12 years ago, Panasonic HIT, and, although the installer has gone out of businessI have had absolutely no problems other than the grid tie generation meter failing recently. Performance has been above expectations with no noticeable degradation.
@@rogerphelps9939Afaik, that's only if the companies have subscribed to those schemes and deposited some money with them. It's sort of like a 3rd party warrantee.
If a cowboy building maintenance company suddenly decides that they can do solar installs (and get's a few of the guys the bare minimum accreditation needed to sign off on the electrical work), they're unlikely to pay a 3rd party company to cover any warrantee claims a few years later, especially if their business plan involves liquidating/reforming the company every few years to avoid any liabilities cropping up from past shoddy work.
You're absolutely right!! The guarantee is only as good as the company that offers it. Whether it be this wind turbine, windows for your house, a furnace, whatever the case, a lot of these companies usually end up going tits up and you are stuck with no one to cover your warranteed product. I have learned that from my many years of purchasing quality items.
I guess before you go and do something like this, it is imperative that you do your research and don't buy into sales pitches from snake oil salesmen. If you have lots of acreage, then more solar might be the way to go. If space is limited, then a wind turbine like this might be more space efficient. Or, if you can afford both, then they will compliment one another. The point overall is, these products have a finite lifespan, and eventually it will cost a lot of money to replace them. JMO
I’ve had solar panels for over 12 years. They paid for themselves well over two years ago and have produced more electricity and income than advertised EVERY year. My last quarter produced £823.
I had 13 solar panels installed 8 months ago and they have already produced 4.16 Mwh. I do NOT have battery back-up and yet I have only owed $56 in electric bills total since they were installed. My panels have never needed to be washed since regular rainfall seems do the trick. The additional cost of $4,500+ would take a very long time to pay for itself. The payments on my panels are roughly 30% lower than what it was costing me to get my electricity from the grid.
this is an advertisement not a discovery.
I have a 24V 25Amp (600W) wind system. I live outside the Columbia River Gorge, on the river. The average Wind speed is around 10 MPH, sometimes gusting to 20 or 30 MPH. You are good-to-go IN the Gorge, constant high winds.
---> Unfortunately, my Cheap system from China needs 20-30 MPH average for rated output. It also has to track the direction of the wind using a tail fin to keep it aimed. But, in a wind that changes direction frequently, when it changes direction, the gyroscopic forces slow the blades down, and it takes some finite amount of time to spin back up to power.
---> So, in conclusion, I really needed a vertical shaft wind turbine, to avoid drops in power when the wind direction changes. I also require a turbine that outputs its rated power, in 10 MPH wind, I probably get the wind speed I needed for full output about 20% of the time. Also, if you require enough power for a standard home you should look for a system with the highest voltage. That way, you can charge at least 8 car batteries in series (96V) so you don't need massive wires that carry 400AMPS or more to your inverters. Also, you'll need to buy MULTIPLE turbines for that kind of power, not to mention the cost of DOZENS of batteries.
---> I think you could use the 10 or 20 kilowatt battery module from a TESLA or other EV battery to save a lot of money and space.
---> I'm waiting for the Liquid Sodium Residential batteries that were under development a decade ago... They were supposed to store 50 KWH in the size of a 50 gallon barrel. For approx. $2000. Ideal for a hybrid solar/wind system.
---> One more consideration is construction quality. After about a year and a half, the BEARINGS started really humming and grinding, and the annoying hum transmitted through my entire House, like a sounding-board! You can't be rebuilding the turbine every 18 months (Not too difficult, except for getting it down and back up on the tower)
I have many friends that live off grid, most use solar and wind, generally it's mostly solar. This is expensive but supplies most of the needed power. In locations where solar doesn't work well wind is more consistent ( mountain valleys) and a better choice.
Love the Archimedes design and always have.
My solar panels are warrantied to retain 90.8% of labelled power output at the end of the 25 year guarantee. The regular downpours we have here in central Scotland maintains performance without any cleaning or any maintenance.
In contrast, the wind turbine I had at my previous home required annual servicing and has since had some components replaced due to wear and tear.
Therefore, I prefer domestic solar over wind but I would be interested to see an independent test of the Liam F1 by an organisation like the Energy Saving Trust, whose 2009 report on roof and ground mounted domestic turbines named Location Location Location makes for interesting reading.
Do they have magnetic bearing?
@@michelbisson6645 My wind turbine required lubricating once a year and did not have magnetic bearings.
fully agree, independent analysis and like someone else said, this is probably a chocolate teapot
*All practical tests show that small wind turbines generate electricity only at a cost very significantly above 1€/kWh!* This is because there is hardly any wind near the ground, and it is also very gusty, which extremely reduces the service life of the systems. With solar systems, on the other hand, you can reliably generate electricity for about 8-12 cents/kWh over a period of 25 years!
What panels have you got?
Seems too good to be true and extremely expensive. More real world data would be good to see.
The good thing is that the design looks easy to copy and its for the rest of the world to make it better and cheaper.
You guys stay tuned... I've been working on a fairly novel solution in the form of a modular wind wall. Soft launching in a month!
comments are turned off on your video ...why ?
This is the first time I’ve heard anyone flame pv systems require more maintenance than wind!
My solar might need hosting off once per year
What type of hosting?
Yes, that makes no sense to me either.
Yea, total BS.
Sticking a turbine on a domestic roof is next to useless due mainly to turbulence caused by the proximity to the building, if you had a twenty metre tower to put it on then maybe you could generate a useful amount of power. But good luck with getting permission for that. Also it looks to be about 1 metre in diameter, you can easily calculate how much energy you are likely to generate given the average windspeed in your are3a and the energy contained in an airstream of that CSA (given no turbulence of course) a few M2 of solar will far out perform it, without any maintenance. This is a chocolate teapot!
Maybe true.... but a few m2 of solar doesn't work at night. This might actually alter the solar is better then wind...
But yes permission moght be a problem
Such a usefull comment! So, what is your suggestion, if any?
@@RobertRavoalavoson my awnser would be (if it where Affordable) try it and lets find out. The price might be reasonable, i don't know. But from my own point of view it is prohibitive
@@janrozema7650
A 15kWh battery will easily store enough energy to cover the night time period, in our case we can last two days. With a 5 kWp system coupled to a battery we have only imported 6 kWh since mid March, and I think we will only start importing in mid October. Since mid Feb we have generated 3200kWh, I seriously doubt a roof mounted turbine would have achieved that,
@@janrozema7650 I actually agree. The size seems also prohibitive and incompatible with real conditions. Multiple smaller units would be better.
One of the BEST Wind turbines in the world, if only i had the wind to run it. Modimolle South Africa
I see that price is the major obstacle to this product.
While generally, it's really interesting to have many option in hand for electric generating (panel, wind, hydraulic ..) because conditions are different for users.
And thank you to share this video with us ❤☀️💚
I'd like to supplement my existing solar system, where I may not need a turbine quite as powerful as this one. Or as expensive. I noticed from the video that it runs at 24V DC which would be really important so that it's compatible with off-the-shelf portable power stations (battery pack/inverter). And in fact, an interesting feature would be the ability to simultaneously run off of solar panels and turbine at the same time, so that if there's no wind but it's sunny, or no sun but it's windy, there'd still be generation going on. I would NOT be interested in a complete system with its own battery, the turbine absolutely must be component that is available separately and compatible (20-30V DC most likely).
Ouch! Just looked up the cost - projected to be around £4000 (over $5000) per unit.
If you need 2 (for an average household), and then all the fancy batteries, etc, on top, that 'still' adds up to a lot of money in one go.
Presently, I'm paying less than £1k per year on grid electricity.
While this device might last long enough to pay off its initial cost one day, regular replacement of current batteries will keep pushing that magic day further and further into the future.
All these off-grid systems need to seriously come down in price or every part of them needs to be guaranteed to have a very long life-span so they are economically viable - otherwise you have all the cost of buying, fitting, replacement of batteries and maintenance on your shoulders.
Agreed, bottom line, in first world countries with very infrequent power outages per annum, UPS's will do as long as you have access to the power grid.
I'm glad i live in a place where it's not windy enough to take advantage if this ! But i do get sunshine everyday so !
I would consider this turbine for my home, we live on rising ground where it’s generally windy 5-15 knots but I’d like to combine it with solar as we’re living in the south uk and battery storage ! This way I can access both of natures offerings when available !
What is the level of noise (turbine plus bearings)at different wind speeds. It is essential to know this data if you put it on your roof and have neighbors.
I would consider this wind turbine because I live in the west of Scotland where we get a lot more wind than sun.
I'm a disabled veteran and would love to buy your system but on what I make this is just a pipe dream. 😢 but one day if I hit the lotto, sign me up!
Looks like a great option for Puerto Rico properties along with solar. The islands get lots of wind flow on and off the island and ocean day and night. Would be great to see some island applications. I have a few properties I would consider wind turbines like this that would be perfect.
At that price it is going to take well over a decade to break even, probably two in some circumstances and thats before installation costs which are substantial to mount it somewhere elevated and safe. Absolutely does not make sense financially anywhere but the windiest and cloudiest places, low cost diy turbines that pay for themselves in 1 to 5 years are still the only way to go unless your motivations are something other than financial, then your probably the type of person to take advise from a channel that says the turbine produces 4000km/h as well :)
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Looks easy enough to make your own...
I'd love to see these put up along the Chicago River, downtown. For the power (local lighting), and the visual. And there's a ton of wind every time I've been there.
I will consider buying this Lion Wind Turbine..Its unique and very easy to install.
I checked out the company website and the LIAM F1 is rated at 12m/s wind speeds, which is really high wind, like in the middle of the Atlantic. At wind speeds of 5m/s as is common for many residential areas, this turbine is no match for current wind turbines.
Wonder if a one or two mini versions of this mounted on a car would help with electric cars??
I had measuring equipment in north part of the Texas panhandle we measures a 10.8m/s average wind speed one month.
@@FightCollective the additional wind resistance overrides the power generated.
"Rated", what does that mean? Is that the start speed or optimal speed. What is the start speed?
@@AORD72 Rated speed is when it hits nominal power. There is also a cut-in speed, a cut-out speed, and a damage speed.
Sounded great until I did the maths! If it costs $7000 AUD, to offset it's cost it would need to produce 28000kwh (based on current electricity prices of 25c/kwh)... If it only produces around 1500kwh per year then this would take 18 yesrs to break even! 😳
However now the rate has gone up to AU$0.51c kWh it does start to have effect when the sun goes down, as long as the wind blows.
I bet your maths is wrong. The only people i know who have got home windturbines to be profitable have added them 5m-20m ontop of a pole that is supported with guy ropes etc. Most people in cities are not going to get planning permission for that. It also adds £10,000 to the cost. Home turbines ontop of most homes produce negligible energy, sadly
Yeah, I calculated a 15 year minimum break-even. This windmill is a good idea, but doesn't seem to be economical.🥵
@@onlineo2263 I bet his maths is correct. Let's see your maths.
You could get the best of both world by combining both solar panels and wind turbines. Depending on your location, you could have PV/WT contribution of 90/10, 50/50, or even the other way. Both complement each other especially in the night the wind turbine contributed a lot in charging our battery banks and we have captured the data trending for a few years and it worked beautifully. Less battery size is used due to the add-on of wind turbines and saved some footprint and costs of the batteries.
Solar +this turbine seems perfect at this moment.
You cannot put that on a house roof if the house is not build for that purpose. They did tests in the Netherlands for years and even they were the first to come with a design that worked well. But the houses and factories had to remove these horizontal blades because of the noice and tremors it gave. Build it on a building that houses animals or a shed, but do not forget it has to be build for that purpose.
Sounds about right if it producing that much power the wind has to really be pushing really hard on those mounting points. I guess depending on the house if you have attic access you could probably reinforce from there.
I have definitely have to clean my solar panels as we go several months with no rain at all and lots of pollen land on them. Also, they gradually accumulate some moss.
More moving parts more maintenance on this wind power energy never the less it's better than solar cause it works in both season either day or night yessssss once more I salute you creators of this device
Agree, also more practical in areas of lower solar gain and on Multistory buildings that take advantage of gusts traveling to the roof from the walls.
I need two in Texas, USA. I support Dutch businesses. With a name like Kuiken.😊 lets get me set up and use it as a Demo location in Texas!
No!
Interesting design! The concern that occured to me is what happens when the turbine gets out of balance? What do I mean? The location I live can have moderate to extreme freezing rain. If the turbine got coated with ice, what would happen? Does it sense the out-of-balance and shut down? Would it vibrate itself to death or destroy its mount? Also, instead of all these vibrant colors, why not make it clear or translucent so it doesn't stand out like a sore thumb? Regards.
Good questions
Translucent blades would make it a bird grinder just like clear glass windows on tall buildings can be bird forcefields. Several years ago I saw a wind turbine that was mounted vertically and was less than 2 meters tall. It had two blades. Each looked like half a tornado and they were connected with a small gap to let the wind in. The blades' turn circumference was constant (unlike this nautilus shape). No bird would fly into the gap between the blades because it was always in motion. No bird would fly into the blade body because it was solid and opaque. Birds don't splat into tree trunks. And no bird would fly into the envelope around the blade and get smacked because the blade never intruded into the envelope.
To stop ice forming, you could make it out of hard rubber, like that on jet engines. The slight vibration of the tube will destroy ice like it does on jet engines.
Or the turbine blades can be coated with a non stick polymer like PTFE .
Price the complete package
If you plan to go off grid ...you need solar panels & wind turbines ...I have 2 turbines ..as well...2000 watts of solar..
I Will SUPPORT WIND TURBINE 🎉 IT WILL GIVE POWER ALL THE TIME
Only when it's windy and not very much electricity...
I'd love to combine both technologies. But in my area.. I'd need to think about hail and strong storms. . If it wasn't powering a power-packed, then you could sell the excess generation back to the grid (at a far reduced rate) but it would be nice if there was some sort of protective cover for hail. Plus it would need to rotate based on wind. What about an aluminum dome/tube that may even act has a wind tunnel to increase the efficiency. I like iI. But its not ready for SE Texas. But yes. I'd consider it
5ms is nearly 18m/h winds that's nearly 50% higher wind requirements than a 3 blade turbine for the same swept area. Rather have something designed to run in 1-2ms and put a magnetic coupler on it to deal with over speed in high winds
wouldnt it be better to do something with the power in high wind speeds, slow the blades down by performing work on something, rather than simply let it slip past?
maybe reconsider the problem, and consider alternative ways to perform... "work".
by definition, everything is heat...
every step of the way, making electricity, you are making heat... is it a loss?
so why make electricity at all?
5m/s is 18km/h
@@markgrabowski8662 you are correct that is a typo
I’ve never seen a system that works as well as this before.,,, but somehow I’m thinking I have seen it. I’m 78 years old, and started mechanically in 1964. Although I had a string of part time jobs until went in the Air Force. I am convinced that I’ve seen this mechanism before. Maybe Galileo, or Divici helicopter, these things all have some commonality , I see one thing that stands above all else. . JLF 2/27/24 12 pm.
Sir, Your have given very good information about wind energy thank you
LiamF1 wind turbines are excellent in windy cities. If produced in my country of India we can do it in 1500 dollars.
I think you can make one of those things by fabricating the impeller/blade and connecting it to a car alternator. It would be a crude version but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Crude version / who the hell cares as it wouldn’t cost no $4500.00 YES IT WILL WORK. SET IT UP WITH SEVERAL ALTERNATORS. COST PROBABLY UNDER 1000. Now we are talking
This very interesting
Ideal size, safe and very easy maintenance
Acceptable for lower and upper condition
It's worth it
If it's attested to a battery car while on the move it's battery gets charged through wind turbine and no need to plug and charge electric buses or cars in highways.
I'm waiting for pocket sized nuclear power generators. Until then, I'll keep my money in my pocket, thank you. Besides that, I'm sure that a Chinese equivalent at 1/3 of the price, will hit the market soon.
I’ve seen this turbine before, the last company went up like a rocket and disappeared, mmmm is this a new version of the same company?
If I hear "Liam...F1 wind turbine" one more time I might go nuts
Hear the wind blow dear hear the wind blow.
Passing wind is normal, but the amount varies between individuals and depends on a number of factors including diet.
Some people pass wind only a handful of times per day, others up to 40 times, while the average seems to be about 15.
Harnessing that volume of wind could change everything.
small version for R V,s that can be carried from place to place to keep batteries charged would be nice
The problem with this, for RVs is that it doesn't look sad if it will pack small, and you can't leave it up while you drive down the road. For RVs, the best bet is solar, plus a regular small wind generator, if you want.
You could pull off an RV version using a 3D printer and build the mount system yourself. 🤷♂
@@daniellapain1576 print a new one every time you park up?
@@jocramkrispy305 well you can get creative using a 3d printer and design one that is easy to use and pack up.
I just loved it!
Combining the solar panels, could be the best.
But (I'm sorry), I don't have 10 or 20 years of saving, to get my investment back.
But this propeller's design, is gorgeus and I think I can make a copy by myself.
The kinethic energie, could be gotten underwater also, and I see it very promising for the nearby future.
brilliant idea
d best renewable ( clean) air power energy
Congrats !!! to the inventor
It seems useful invention , about issues discussed , can put hard mesh cover to protect birds as well as unit propeller itself and can add a very small solar panel to keep it moving in low wind time segments and further about high cost of product isn't very big issue when large production will automatically reduce the price .
I'd like to see one of these windmills last 25 years like solar panels do. Plus solar panels are ZERO maintenance when installed properly... I've never had to clean mine in over 12 years. There is just no way a mechanical device like this is as durable and reliable as a solid state device like a solar panel.
It is because you dont have much dust around where ever you are living. In middle east we have a lot of sun but also a lot of dust so we regularly have to clean dust from the panels to keep efficiency high. And yes also there is the problem of birds shitting on them. Sometimes in some places birds, if the panels are on their way, drop too much shit onto the panels which accumulates in time and makes things even worse. And also there is the problem of hail which can sometimes be really very strong and break/crack the panels. So solar is not without its problems
@@servetc1970 One of the 4 seasons where I live is locally called "dust season" and none of the problem you list have given me issues. The rain and snow wash off the dust, birdshit, leaves, etc. And I'd like to see how well this turbine survives a bad hailstorm.
Nothing you said should deter anyone from choosing solar over wind.
The materials required for solar need heavy mining and processing that includes slavery in many places. If this is fixed the panels are no longer affordable.
"NOVEMBER 19, 2015 - THE ARCHIMEDES
THE ARCHIMEDES - LIAM F1 URBAN WIND TURBINE
The Liam F1 Urban Wind Turbine is a small wind turbine with a diameter of 1,5 meters which weighs approximately 100 kilograms. Due to its size and weight it is suitable for installation on almost every roof and wall. In the Netherlands, the Liam will generate between 300 and 2,500 kilowatts annually at an average wind speed of 4,5 meters per second. These results are measured at 10 meters height, the average height of the roof of a terraced house. In the Netherlands, the most common wind direction is South-West"
November 2015 ...... 8 Years ago ....
Solar panels continually lose output capacity every year over their 25 year lifespans . Also having a dirty surface on a solar panel can reduce it's output by 50%
Pity that the video contains wrong units for the expected power out of the wind turbine. Also I would rather like to see a specification that shows how much power is generated by a Iiam with size x and wi d speed y. Or better, a graph showing the power output verus wind speed for a specific unit. That would ease the buying decision big time.
I live in the US and would put that on my roof in a heartbeat
People dont realise that the big windmills on the the hills that they see are turbines and are fed by electric to turn them ,they use more electric to turn than they produce , but thats an insider secret aaaand when the blades need replacing they go to landfill because there fiberglass and dont recycle
Thanks to the commentators. The comments are informative and time-saving.
Nice presentation, but would like to have seen\heard some info on the anticipated DB's or decibels of noise put out by these wind turbines at various sizes, wind speeds, etc.
I agree that should have been mentioned here. I looked it up. According to the manufacturer's brochure, it produces 45 decibels of sound.
Wind , solar with batteries is the way to go.
I remember what my oldest brother said long ago.
If you were driving to Colorado. Would you go without a spare.
I definitely dig it & want 4 of them!
You should try to compare Liam F1 with the Tesup Hera 7kwh priced around 1200Euro
If they don't know the difference between a kWh and a km/h they don't know what they're doing.
Sounds good to connect to my caravan
im not broke, but i dont have the money or the will to shackle myself to a house and then hope that the panels turn out allright.
Logically the more moving parts the more wear and tear. This issue bears a lot of weight while deciding between the two even if it costs less than the Solar Panels, which is not the case, in my opinion.
I have been looking into wind turbines, but have not been able to find a system which is cost effective for a home application.
It may be a different story if you live near the coast, but in an urban environment it's not even close to the performance of my solar panels.
Seriously doubt that the maintenance of a wind turbine is cheaper than solar panels.
Any equipment with moving parts will have wear, where solar panels is a static system without moving parts.
We currently have 10 (LG solar 3.400 KWp total) panels installed at the total cost of 4900 € (including, the inverter, the installation, software to follow up the system and the mandatory inspection by the government).
That's about equal to the price of a single wind turbine (not installed) but my solar panels have never been cleaned and after 3 years still produces approximately 3200 Kw/h per year, which is more than double compared to this wind turbine. I have not noticed any degradation in the performance of my solar panels (up to now).
Calling this turbine more efficient than solar panels is dubious at best.
Where I live there’s sold sun all day and no wind I can see how beneficial this unit would be in certain countries where solar is practically useless but wind is awesome so horses for courses I hope this technology goes ahead because it’s gonna be better than nuclear ❤
Yes i would indeed consider this system
Performance looks good - but it also looks like a bird shredder
A wire cage will prevent that🛒🗑️
I have always like the idea of wind power as compared to solar. This is a small simple system that has a very bright future if properly marketed and backed. They should try and break into the California market here in the U.S. A good portion of the state has adequate wind. It also has the political climate which is pushing for renewables. Most people don't realize it, but California pretty much led the world on auto emission control requirements starting back in the 1960s.
Using both better
This is garbage
It took some one this long to figure out this design!! It looks just like a design of a kiddy pin wheel on a stick that you would see in toy store.
Ive got a generator that runs on old oil, auto or cooking. I have over a dozen garages and restaurants, cafes which give it to me for nothing and adds up to over a 100 gallons a week. Runs my house and workshop easy and saves me around three grand a year.
Great video thanks 😊.
If windmills generators used the software from EXRO they could significantly increase efficiency , currently EXRO focusing on electric car motors , improving performance by 30-50% , windmills generators are just electric motors in reverse
the generator isnt the issue. what do you DO with the power being converted from kinetic to electrical? if theres nothing there to accept it, in direct proportion to it being delivered?
batteries cant deal with it, and we design generators that are limited so batteries can deal with them, but then the generators limited in what it can produce when the wind starts getting too fast, and the batteries are still a massive bottle neck. so then we stick BRAKES on the things.
power goes up by the cube of the wind velocity. and we just waste it and let it slip past when its getting to actually be useful. like buying a ferrari and sitting in gridlock, like jumping out of a jet plane just after takeoff. humans are smart like that. the ferrari is serving its purpose solely by sitting there, its not meant to ever be driven, lol. and i guess its worth jettisoning an f18 to get on top of that building over there...
the brakes convert kinetic energy into heat.
the rectifiers make heat.
the wires make heat.
the bearings make heat.
the batteries make heat.
the inverter makes heat.
every time, a loss. an inefficiency. unavoidable they say.
notice any... pattern developing?
we use electricity to warm up food. to warm our hands. to warm a bit of tungsten to white hot to make light (well... we did).
software doesnt fix the issue... yall have your heads up your arses and cant see the forest for the trees. answers there. staring you in the face. software aint going to connect the dots for you.
I would love to try one. Have 13 PV panels on my home but winter and night power comes from the grid.
I have seen a "Dolphin" ? korean I think seemed to be a capable unit.
if your wind speed is like 2-3 m/s you are only going to get 10-30 Watts, which is useless. Use the online Omni wind turbine calculator and use the average wind speed for your city (google it), also use a efficiency of 30% because that is more realistic.
Good presentation. We must make all efforts to move away from fossil fuel
The degree of misdirection in this video is interesting. Solar Panels shown being installed against comments re 'maintenence' . And directly showcasing this small low power wind genny against a background of MW sized commercial Wind Generators.
It's like comparing a soapbox cart with a Rolls Royce in the background.
The biggest drawbacks of my solar panel array is that it does not supply any power at night and most of all in winter this is annoying. Solar panels tend to give too much power in summer, when you not really need it and too little in winter. This turbine could be ideal on (windy) cold winter nights just to keep an electric heater running to cut down significantly on gas usage, or, if the device really gives what it states you can definitely warm a room with 1,500 watts of power. Let's keep an eye on this.
Both technologies are limited by supply though.
The difference being that solar supply is intrinsically predictable both at a daily (weather not withstanding) and seasonal level.
With adequate battery storage solar can still supply throug the night, and thankfully the EV revolution is demanding such high quantities of battery cell manufacture that domestic battery storage is becoming much more economically viable.
I’d be interested to test a smaller version of this on a vehicle for van life.
Great thought... I think so, too... there is also a Tulip design they may work too. Hope scientists do it for trucks, cars, etc.
3D print a smaller one for yourself?
Was thinking the same. Not just for van life but electric cars in general.
yus for a helichoptor
@@johnlennox-pe2nq 🤔But on an aircraft of any kind, a windgen would create drag; that would adversely affect flight.
Maybe if multiple, small windgens were used, & fed by a funneled stream of air, it might be do-able?
Interesting. I would be willing to try one out.
I think it's a great new and innovative product for the average person to do what they can to reduce their carbon footprint! I personally feel you should have more than one form of an alternate energy! I think we have all seen the news headlines of power grids failing, power companies not upgrading their systems software and and customers suffering brown outs! The cost of these wind Turbines is minimal compared to the cost of purchasing and maintaining a gas generator.
Seems like it could be a good way to generate power at night and in storms when the panels aren't... wouldn't combining them be best?
Cost and installation might be a concern, but considering the long-term benefits and environmental impact, it's a promising investment.
SUPER IDEA . POZDRAWIAM .
I will look into this as my home is on the Oregon coast with lots of wind and no near neighbors. However, my property is a bird habitat. Maylbe I could build a bird net around the turbine.
As someone who has both solar and wind it is a joke to say;
1) solar requires any maintenance 😂
2) that a wind requires less or the same as solar.
Maintenance costs are around 10% of the energy made each year and as they are mechanical. Way more likely to break down.
The information I found from a quick googling is that 1m² of wind at 8m/s (which is a decent wind) has the energy of 314W. If you consider this method of warming your house, 314W is approximately the same amount of energy that you get from being 3 persons in a room. You need 6 of these and >8m/s wind to power a 2 kW heater. I think I will pass...
Our heat pump takes only 380 W electric power to keep our house warm. That's roughly 2 kW of heat.
Hi. You could use the 314 watts to power a heat-pump. Cheers, P.R.
Yes looking to add a wind turbine to supplant our solar battery setup. When we get wind and rainy days, and not factoring night as well our batteries wont get full charged…..when wet and windy periods happen the batteries slowly wont reach peak charge, and so the solar batteries discharge doesnt last as long. Wind would assist the solar to keep batteries at max capacity. Any extra charge we would sell back to grid.
Having a slate roof it is not easy to find any solar roof installers. I like the idea of a small urban wind turbine. I would also need an authorized installer in the Philadelphia area.
1. Only works in high wind
2. You still need a gear box
3. You will still need 20 or more on a HOUSE to POWER it.
4. You would need to make it bigger to get as much MASS as possible.
5. The wind speed slowes down as it goes thought the turbine.
6. It need to be stretched in time to capture more power and it's design is not the 1.619 golden ratio verity.
1. It works in just about any wind.
2. So?
3. LOL
4. Or more units
5. Duh
6. Not sure Time Travel is necessary.
Not sure why you claim it is not designed on the golden ratio. They said it was based on nature and looks very close to the golden ratio. How did you mesure it?
the narrator has no idea what they are talking about@@GulfCoast98 they say the unit produces 1500kw/hrs a year while writing km/hr on the screen more than once. smart people dont make this obvious mistake once, let alone twice. second he says you only need 3.5kw of PV to run a house. hahaha. that wouldnt run a toaster for more than an hour. so many basic mistakes in this video. standard click bait looking for views fake nonsense.
This OP is a little off😂. Many off grid homes are powered using a few panels and one or two Turbines…. Unless you need electric heat, which most people don’t use anyway, they use gas or oil. Off grid use passive solar and/or wood.
@@TheNewMediaoftheDawn i build solar systems for homes in australia. lots of sun. "a few panels" is nothing. you can barely power a camper van with that. and no we arent using electricity for heating. using gas for heat is NOT OFF GRID. going to the shop to buy gas ISNT OFF GRID. i would say judging by your comments you have absolutely no real world experience in off grid living or installs. incredible how all these keyboard warriors with no real world experience know everything and are going to save the world. no wonder the world is headed for disaster so fast. know it alls who know nothing. please sir. check your yourself. passing on false information might make you feel good but it might cost someone a lot of time and money before they realise you had no idea what you were talking about. this video is not designed to inform or teach yo uanything. it is designed for VIEWS. TO GET CLICKS. TO GET YOUR SUB. this is the problem today, kids with no real world knowledge thinking they can just appeal to your emotions by making videos to make money. they dont care about people or sustainability, they care about themselves. money. this is the world we live in today. fajke virtue everywhere. some dont even know they are doing it because they havent actually lived in the real world yet. mommy and dady paid for school and they have only had easy to get robot jobs. sad truth. and when you get older you will agree. trust me. same cycle. over and over. you cant be told, you need to find out yourself.
Conceptually a good idea. Have long maintained that all new builds should come with solar panels and roof mounted turbines as standard. The price of this model is currently excessive but, like solar panels, it has the potential to reduce with time as more players enter the market.
by setting up a leaf blower on your roof it will operate at all times - and when wind drops. neat
No. Turbines are not worthwhile. Anything on the roof will definitely be too small, will make a racket in the house and will shake the roof to bits.
Looks cool to me! The batteries are still a recycling problem, though. Perhaps this one can just be fitted without batteries in a windy area?😊
It's an awful idea. This types of turbine don't work. It's also extremely expensive.
Roof mounted turbines are pure garbage. There is not a single one that has even gotten close to proving itself.
Consider building my own!
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