Thank you. I just got one for $50 because the transmission wouldnt go into gear. I tore it down to find the chain to the transmission is broken. I had one wheel that didnt want to come off , so when I flipped it, it all fell apart. Your video helped me put it back together, Thank you Thanks you..
$50, now that's a deal! Ya, one wheel seems to be pressed on and the other isn't... Wish I would've known that before I spent half an hour banging on it lol. Oh well. Good luck on getting yours working! Unfortunately, I had to order a few parts for mine and am patiently waiting for them so I can re-assemble it
@@Eric2300jeep yeah I ended up torching the wheel and still didnt come off. Used a thin cut and it's off. I melted a bushing and repaired the chain. Waiting on parts now. Sears website sells the parts just an fyi cheaper than amazon..good luck
Whoah! You put in a lot of work to explain how this transmission works. I really appreciate that even though I don't have that problem yet. I just had a minor carburetor problem but it seems evident that if it gets stuck in a gear I'll know how to go about fixing it. So thanks for putting this up you've pretty much erased all of the fear and intimidation.
I want to add my thanks to the others. If it weren’t for your vid, it would have taken me a lot longer than the days I spent fixing this clunker to avoid spending big bucks. Thanks very much.
Sir your video was and still is very helpful. The tiller I got I found at the local dumpster area . I could not leave it for trash. It would not go in to neutral. Or run . I got the 5hp. Briggs sounding like a song . Used your video as a guide. Come to find out the drive chain broke and the reverse gear has niddle bearings and that was froze up. I found out that the grease holds most of the little parts in place. Be ordering parts later . I will leave the parts dirty till I put back together so every thing is where it needs to be . I will clean the shafts and gears as I put it back together. Thank you so much for explaining it as you did and thank you sir for sharing. I will be back when I start putting him back together and let ya know if I was able to help out the little tiller
I'm with the rest of these folks. I appreciate you taking the time to go through everything so extensively. Finding a solid video that shows everything clearly is great and all but having to try and stop it just right to see how that one damn piece goes is another story. A good clear video without needing to work on timing where to stop is worth its weight in gold. I'm hopeful that I can free up my shifter without the teardown but if not, at least now I can be slightly ahead of the game (I hope 😬). 👍👍
Love you so much ❤️. Where have y'all been all my life! I could have used y'all in 79 when I was learning as a kid on my mini bike, LOL very helpful thanks a million
Just commenting so more people get to see it. Awesome video on a nice clean rototiller. The one I just finished sat in the rain for a few years... that was... fun...
Exact same problem with outside shifter, it rusted up and was stuck, could not get into gear. Had to dissemble the entire transmission casing just to free it up with wd-40 Real pain to put back together as tyranny was packed full of old grease and dirt, this video should help. Thanks for posting
A jigsaw puzzle in it's finest form. I am working on the same thing. It is a lot more than people suspect before opening the gear case. Thank you so much for this.
Thanks George, I’ve disassembled mine but the wheels are frozen on it. So I’m soaking the axles in penatrating oil. You did a great job explaining why the transmission freezes up.
Thank you for this video. I have the same transmission with the exact same problem, but my tiller is a Quality Farm built by Fridgidaire. I’m assuming Craftsman contracted Fridgidaire to build tillers for them. You’re right about the greasy mess. I pressure washed mine. Great video!
George Rogero I did make sure about the washers. Good advice about the magnet. Parts are in order. I’m going to rewatch your video when I put it back together. Geeze can you think of a more convoluted way to house the transmission? It’s just insane to have to disassemble the ENTIRE machine to fix the transmission.
This Video came at just the right time.I have came into a unit just like that one and it had been left in a low tide water back yard but thank to this video alls good again
Thanks! I bought a Poulan pro a couple of days ago with the same issue. I ended up installing a grease nipple on top of the shifting shaft. Lile you said, when you take it apart everything falls out, so you video really helps figure out what goes where😉👍
Hey George, I'm just wondering if the wheels should free wheel when the machine is in neutral? Also, do the tines spin forward or reverse (mine seem to spin the opposite direction of the wheels when it's in Ff. Thanks
@@codyandbarbarakillingswort5546 well...there is still snow on the ground here, won't likely be using it until May, but I'm confident it won't make it worse 😉👍
Amazing video, thank you so much for uploading this. If anyone wants the break down of the whole machine, sears still has their website up where you can look up your specific machine and get the owners manual and parts break down.
The design hasn't changed much over 40 years. Can't believe I paid $700 in '86 for repair parts. While my old tiller used a cork gasket, the newer one does not. I was watching this video to see what was used as a sealant, but it ended before it was assembled. I'm in the process of opening my case up to replace the wheel axle (same design as the one in the video). I removed one of the larger bolts from the bottom rim and discovered a broken piece that was attached on the other side, under the nut. However, there is no part shown on my schematic. You mentioned using marine grease. My specs reference to 22oz. of a bentonite grease; not inexpensive. Same stuff? Thank you for the video; seems the shifter shaft rusting up is not uncommon.
The only reason I was using marine grease was it’s water resistant. I never saw a spec. that called for the use of the grease you’re talking about. I had paper gasket but it was in bad shape and had ripped in a couple places so I topped it off with some of that liquid gasket, It comes in a tube.
@@georgerogero3185 Thank you for replying. I got my case separated yesterday. No gasket; they used a bead of sealant (akin to Flexseal) on the inside lip. I also noticed that a silicone adhesive was used to hold the flange bearings in place . I'll research marine grease. They use the bentonite grease because it doesn't melt at high temperatures. Mine looked contaminated. Noticed damage on the case from hitting granite cobbles (salvaged 2 tons in 3 months). There's room for me to add wear plates to protect the case from further damage. The axle & tine shafts both required filing where the holes were; a bit of distortion from the shear pins. The chain to the tine shaft was sloppy, but not enough to remove a link. The seals on that shaft will need to be replaced. No idea how to remove them, except with a dremel. I'll know more when the parts arrive. I did not find any filings in the case. The axle broke clean; the only collateral damage was a thrust washer.
Thanks so much for making this video how to assemble the transmission for this kind of tiller I got one with the same problem and I just got apart so now I need to clean it out put back together and grease it, hopefully it's not too hard
Nice video. I lost track of where the washers went. I did notice when putting the new gasket on that there is an emboss in the covers and the gasket goes across the corner of it there isn`t clearance to have the gasket covering that area. I think that is holding the top of the frame open enough to let it leak in the top of the frame. I cut the new one around it. the gasket has a lot of extra material in that area. the old gasket had a very compressed shape of this emboss when I took it off.
I wouldn’t say lifesaver but thanks for the comment just make sure you don’t lose any of the washers. I almost lost some because they were buried in the grease but before I threw the grease away I took a magnet and made sure I found everything. Let me know how it turns out
I was wondering where I could get a break down of parts like you show on video, I have my apart due to being stuck in gear, and working on putting it back together and I'm not sure on a couple of washers. And your video is a great!! Thank you!!
Little sister just dropped her tiller off for me to fix, Glad I found this video. I'll let you know how it went. Hers wont go forward of reverse but the tiller does work, I am thinking a chain problem? It rolls back and forth about a foot unpowered.
if it is stuck in forward with the tiller working and you can't shift it to another position it is the pin. The chain is only to run the tiller so if the tiller is working it is not the chain. good luck
I'm wondering, on these types of transmission if it is possible to seal them up well enough to put oil in the case instead of grease. The oil would do a better job of lubricating the internals. if it would work, where would you recommend putting the drain plug and the fill-vent plug. How much oil do you figure you would need for it. I figure with all the gears moving around in there the oil would splash coat the internals.
If you have a welder and a angle grinder you can cut a small place out near the shaft entrance then use a screwdriver to get in there and wiggle the shaft while you are activating the shaft to get the rust to let loose then weld the piece you cut out back. Remember to just spot it then seal with some form of liquid metal addhesive!
Can you please tell me what it means if it keeps going out of gear and the blades stop turning? It runs perfect but once I put it in F to turn the blades it will go for about 5 seconds then the blades will stop turning.
SNIPIEE sorry but I don’t know off the top of my head. I can’t find the part number but the block that does the shifting has a ball bearing with a spring that pushes the ball bearing into grooves on the shaft that hold the shifter in place from what I remember. That’s all I can tell you.
This looks exactly like my tiller transmission except mine has one more gear than this one. In the documents its listed as dirt idler gear part #161528 .and the tiller is 917293493. Not sure of why the gear was added or if it is new model because if I reference both your tiller number and my tiller number it says the replacement transmission is the same one.
@@georgerogero3185 Oh I'm on it. Just got it cracked open tonight. Big grease mess. I'm going to figure out how to clean it up tomorrow. Wish I had made a parts washer, but kept putting that project on backburner...lol... First thing I do see is my smaller chain is broken. I did not fish around in the grease mess too much to really get a good look. I think I have all the washers, but will triple check against your video to be sure tomorrow. Again. Thanks for the video!
Robey Smith like I tell everyone, make sure you don’t throw away a washer in all that grease. Keep the grease and go over it with a magnet just to make sure.
What a great video! I appreciate all the details. I do have a question I hope you can answer concerning the spring and ball in the shift fork. What order do they go in? The parts diagram shows the ball first but that doesn't make sense to me as this would put the spring next to the shaft.
The spring and ball in the shift fork . The spring has to go in the hole First then the ball. The shaft that the shift fork rides on has lobes (gear selection) it has to have the ball bearing to shift smoothly.
I have the same gear box. Just got it apart. Same exact gear box. My issue is , mine grinds when driving . In any gear. It goes in and out while using it, but sounds terrible . It still works, and goes in all gears. It even grinds in neutral. I don’t know what part to replace there doesn’t appear to be anything wrong once I got it apart. Other than extremely excessive grease like extreme .... gobs and gobs . I did notice the axle had some side to side slack before I disassembled it. I think when moving it some of the drive gears would shift around and run against something else . WhAt would cause that..... a worn bushing or missing spacer. There is very little info on fillers with these size gear boxes
I don't know what would cause that unless someone else took it apart and mixed up the washers or left one off. It is normal to have gobs and gobs of grease and that causes the problem when you take it apart. You really have to look closely to the grease to make sure you don't miss a washer. I thought that I got them all but when i used a magnet to check, I found one more.
@@georgerogero3185 10-4. The axle rides on plastic bushing/hub type things. The part is listed as a bearing and it does support the axle like a bearing but it doesn’t move. I ordered replacements for those those . I had washers for every hole on both sides of the case. I’ll have to get a diagram to make sure I have them all. It’s a one owner tiller . Nobody been in it but me. I’ve had it 8 years but I only tilled with it the first 3 years I had it. I was getting ready to sell it when I noticed the noise. I’m gunna replace those hubs and the gasket and fill it to the brim with grease again. If it still does it.... I reckon I’ll part it all out
John Walters I used the same seal even though it was broken in several places. I talked to my shade tree mechanic and he said use the liquid gasket. I used both. All your trying to do is keep the water out and the grease in.
John Walters. I had to buy a new gasket. Tried to save the one on it but it tore is 2 places. You can get it at PartsTree.com part #164396 $8.37. There are also many other parts for this transmission on the website as well as a schematic to help you figure how it goes together.
It is hard to guess with out more specific information. Is it working but just does not stay in the proper gear or are you shifting and noting happens. I am not an expert but i don't think that it matters because you are going to have to take it apart to fix it anyway. i have had a few people with broken drive chain but i don't think i have seen one that has a broken chain to the tiller. good luck and keep us posted. (I guess you mean specific not Pacific.)
This is my exact model I've had trouble getting it to shift since it was brand new now the wheels turn in forward and reverse but the tines don't turn.
George . I have a tiller we ran for three feet hit a rock tillers won't come. Back on. So do you thinking ita the drive chain? We just bought a used one
Sure glad I filled the tank with fresh fuel, and replaced the tires, before finding out that mine is stuck in neutral! You referenced another video before this one where you took this one apart. I'm not finding it, did I misunderstand? What's supposed to be inside, oil or grease? Great video.
Grease on the inside. i don't know the particular video you are asking about but when i first went on the internet I could not find video that showed the parts because they never cleaned off all of the grease. That is why i decided to do my video.
@@georgerogero3185 I must've misunderstood your comment @1:50 in the video. I thought you were referring to an earlier tear down video on this tiller. I guess I got lucky! I beat on the gear pointer with a hammer and sprayed it with PB Blaster. No luck. Let it sit overnight and decided to tear it down this morning. I used a hammer and punch to try to remove the roll pin that connects the rod to the gear selector. I was amazed it freed up. Was hard to shift last year, now it shifts like new! I don't have a storage shed so this thing has been sitting outside 24/7/365 for the past 10 years. It still starts up on the first pull come spring, so I'm happy!
I have no idea but look up some parts online and you should be able to compare the parts. i think that one company made that one model for many companies with companies putting different decals and possibly different motors on them.
Do you know where I can get a Gear and sprocket assembly - Part #102121X. Craftsman no longer shows this part being made by the manufacturer. Any help would be greatly appreciated, my Gear and Sproket assembly failed on a good tiller.
Thanks, Glad that i found your video. My father inlaw just dropped the same tiller off today and asking if i could fix it. His gear switch just turns, but you can tell that there's nothing moving inside. I'm assuming that the notch on the gear adjuster has came off somehow within the housing.
DolittleMccoy That doesn’t sound right. First check the Clevis pin that connects the shifter to the shaft. 2nd check the belt. I don’t see how anything on the inside could break and produce the symptoms you described. www.searspartsdirect.com/part-number/164329/0071/917.html?modelNumber=917299020&categoryName=Rear%20Tine,%20Gas%20Tiller&brandName=CRAFTSMAN
@@georgerogero3185 probably to late to the party to get a response but this is the problem I've having with mine currently. When you push/pull the lever there is a huge amount of play. It's currently stuck in reverse. When I move the lever toward neutral and further the shift just spins and never switches gears. The pin you mentioned is good. I knocked it out so I could move the shaft by hand without the indicator. The shaft spins almost freely and in and out of the case about an inch. The shift and gear are not locked up like I've seen in every video I can find but free moving instead.
@@josephhalfacre1584 I get notifications. Looking back it did sound like the exterior belt. I’ve had mine come off also. I replaced the screws that hold the cover on with screws that have the wingnut top so I can take the belt cover on and off easily
Like I said in the video: If you have rust on the shafts that the tillers or tires are on you are going to have a hard time if it is not impossible to removing them. I took a wire brush and drill and cleaned the shafts and then I followed up with crocus cloth.
I am sort of guessing , but this vidio could be used on the huskee tillar . the contruction is the same , however i have not attemped to open the tranmission case as yet. i have the same problem as "dolittles" the gear lever goes into the tillar position , but nothing happens. some thing must be broke inside . after some asking around there is no one to work on it and the labor will "eat your lunch" that is if whoever can find the parts needed. any way , God bless and Merry Christmas, Stan
It is not that hard to work on and the only reason that it cost so much to get it repaired is that it takes so long to take apart and put back together and with all of the grease it is a big mess. Just make sure that the pin that connects the shift arm and the shaft that goes through the frame is not sheared off. It is easy to find all of the parts on line. #1 make sure that you clean off the rust and gunk on the wheel and tiller shafts so that it comes apart easier. #2 don't lose any of the washers in all of the grease and keep track of where they all go. (I almost lost one washer in the grease when I was cleaning it up. Don't take the gears all apart if you don't have to. The only reason that I did was that I wanted to make the video.) #3 if you have to replace the rubber gasket just go to your local auto parts store.
Thanks for the great info! Just tore mine down to this point (what a pain) and man, that grease/rust really is everywhere. Did you order a replacement gasket for the transmission case or did you just RTV it?
Eric G I just did the gasket in a squeeze tube and put duct tape on the top seam where the two halfs come together. You are just trying to keep the water out.
Like so many others…. rust in the shaft hole. I’m gonna use some penetrating oil, tap tap tap, time and some optimism! We’ll see if I can get it freed up without splitting the trans halves.
@@georgerogero3185 well I’ll put it in neutral and it won’t let me push it and reverse won’t work but forward and forward with tines was working as well any ideas?
@@smallenginerepair7921 I don't have a definitive answer but it sounds like the shifter is not working all the way. The only way to find out is take it apart. Depending on how much you use it, it might not be worth it if you can live without the neutral or reverse.
@@georgerogero3185 I had it pulled apart yesterday verified all the gears would work before I put the other part of the case on, put everything back together she went into reverse twice then quit! And I can’t get it to roll freely in neutral but the transmission is in neutral because it doesn’t move when I have it there! Forward and forward with tines works great
s buchanan like everything it depends on what is broken and what you’re time is worth. Mine is, what I think, is what is normally the problem. It is not a difficult repair but you have keep at it and it will take 3 or 4 hours to take it apart and put it back together At least for most people who are taking their time.
@@TylerHankss if i remember only one washer was different. look up a parts diagram and you should be able to figure it out. just use the model number and put in parts.
@@georgerogero3185 thanks for the info. My model is the yellow one and so far I’ve found 3 different sized washers… lol. Can’t find any info on my particular model. It’s the 917294482. This one seems to be rare. Everyone seems to have the black model one.
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Salve. ti chiedo scusa in anticipo, ho montato il mio motocoltivatore guardando questo video ma ma non funziona nel senso che le marce vanno perfettamente, ma non succede nulla. l0avevo smontato per la prima volta e non avevo rifermento per montarlo e ho trovato questo video. ho montato esattamente come nel video. HO UN MOTOCOLTIVATORE MCCULLOCH MRT6 mi puoi confermare che non c'è nessun errore di ingranaggi nel tuo viceo, di come vanno montati. grazie
Sto usando un traduttore. La tua motozappa potrebbe essere diversa dalla mia. Sembra che la macchina non stia uscendo dalla folle. Mostro il cambio a 2:30 e a 3:02 mostro la posizione neutra. Buona Fortuna
@@georgerogero3185 Chiedo scusa, il suo video e grazie al quale mi ha prmesso di Risolvere. Avevo montato un ingranaggio all'incontrario. stamani ho controllato meglio e funziona tutto adesso. solo grazie a lei e sono qui per ringraziarla. un saluto e grazie anche per la risposta.
excellent video. My tiller will not stay in gear. I suspect the dog leg that does the shifting may have a worn tit that rides the groove. Has anyone opened the case by penetrating the shell around the shifter?
I don’t know why you would say that. I am beating the crap out of mine. I kick up rocks the size of a bowling balls that jam the tines and that stops the engine. I’ve broken #8 bolts that hold the tines on twice.
Thank you. I just got one for $50 because the transmission wouldnt go into gear. I tore it down to find the chain to the transmission is broken. I had one wheel that didnt want to come off , so when I flipped it, it all fell apart. Your video helped me put it back together, Thank you Thanks you..
$50, now that's a deal! Ya, one wheel seems to be pressed on and the other isn't... Wish I would've known that before I spent half an hour banging on it lol. Oh well. Good luck on getting yours working! Unfortunately, I had to order a few parts for mine and am patiently waiting for them so I can re-assemble it
@@Eric2300jeep yeah I ended up torching the wheel and still didnt come off. Used a thin cut and it's off. I melted a bushing and repaired the chain. Waiting on parts now. Sears website sells the parts just an fyi cheaper than amazon..good luck
Whoah! You put in a lot of work to explain how this transmission works. I really appreciate that even though I don't have that problem yet. I just had a minor carburetor problem but it seems evident that if it gets stuck in a gear I'll know how to go about fixing it. So thanks for putting this up you've pretty much erased all of the fear and intimidation.
breeze787 just make sure you shift it once or twice a month so it does not rust/freeze in place.
I want to add my thanks to the others. If it weren’t for your vid, it would have taken me a lot longer than the days I spent fixing this clunker to avoid spending big bucks. Thanks very much.
Sir your video was and still is very helpful. The tiller I got I found at the local dumpster area . I could not leave it for trash. It would not go in to neutral. Or run . I got the 5hp. Briggs sounding like a song . Used your video as a guide. Come to find out the drive chain broke and the reverse gear has niddle bearings and that was froze up. I found out that the grease holds most of the little parts in place. Be ordering parts later . I will leave the parts dirty till I put back together so every thing is where it needs to be . I will clean the shafts and gears as I put it back together. Thank you so much for explaining it as you did and thank you sir for sharing. I will be back when I start putting him back together and let ya know if I was able to help out the little tiller
Use a magnet to check the old grease. Those little buggers are hard to find in all that mess. 😂
I'm with the rest of these folks. I appreciate you taking the time to go through everything so extensively. Finding a solid video that shows everything clearly is great and all but having to try and stop it just right to see how that one damn piece goes is another story. A good clear video without needing to work on timing where to stop is worth its weight in gold. I'm hopeful that I can free up my shifter without the teardown but if not, at least now I can be slightly ahead of the game (I hope 😬). 👍👍
Love you so much ❤️. Where have y'all been all my life! I could have used y'all in 79 when I was learning as a kid on my mini bike, LOL very helpful thanks a million
Just commenting so more people get to see it. Awesome video on a nice clean rototiller. The one I just finished sat in the rain for a few years... that was... fun...
thanks
This is by far the most detailed video of how to fix this darn transmission. you make look easy. Thanks
thanks. Make sure you keep track of the washers in all that grease. I found one after I though I had them all buried in the grease using a magnet.
Exact same problem with outside shifter, it rusted up and was stuck, could not get into gear. Had to dissemble the entire transmission casing just to free it up with wd-40 Real pain to put back together as tyranny was packed full of old grease and dirt, this video should help.
Thanks for posting
A jigsaw puzzle in it's finest form. I am working on the same thing. It is a lot more than people suspect before opening the gear case. Thank you so much for this.
Clean it good and they paint parts in contrasting colors, take photos before taking apart and as you disassemble it.
Thanks George, I’ve disassembled mine but the wheels are frozen on it. So I’m soaking the axles in penatrating oil. You did a great job explaining why the transmission freezes up.
Haha I can't get the dam wheels off. Lube heat and dry ice with a puller NOTHING haha
Excellent video. This shows all the components, and how they interact. Good job.
Thanks
Best video about these tillers on CZcams. 👏🫡
Finally, I got it. Your video helped me, finally get those gears lined up right! Thank You!
thanks, I have a different tiller with the same trans with the same issue. I have not taken it apart yet but thanks for showing where the problem is
Thank you, very helpfull. These tiller gear boxes are borderline junk but these videos help alot to fix them up!
I don’t think they are that bad but they do have some problems.
Thank you for this video. I have the same transmission with the exact same problem, but my tiller is a Quality Farm built by Fridgidaire. I’m assuming Craftsman contracted Fridgidaire to build tillers for them. You’re right about the greasy mess. I pressure washed mine. Great video!
Make sure you don’t loose any washers. Check the grease with a magnet.
George Rogero I did make sure about the washers. Good advice about the magnet. Parts are in order. I’m going to rewatch your video when I put it back together.
Geeze can you think of a more convoluted way to house the transmission? It’s just insane to have to disassemble the ENTIRE machine to fix the transmission.
Got one doing this same thing thank you messed up my garden this year and it’s only a couple years old don’t make anything good anymore
Thank you. First video I’ve watched the showed how the gears all go together.
Awesome
Exact same issue on my craftsman 17” rear tiller
Thank you for the video
Exactly my problem! Great video. Thanks.
This Video came at just the right time.I have came into a unit just like that one and it had been left in a low tide water back yard but thank to this video alls good again
Thanks! I bought a Poulan pro a couple of days ago with the same issue. I ended up installing a grease nipple on top of the shifting shaft. Lile you said, when you take it apart everything falls out, so you video really helps figure out what goes where😉👍
Hey George, I'm just wondering if the wheels should free wheel when the machine is in neutral?
Also, do the tines spin forward or reverse (mine seem to spin the opposite direction of the wheels when it's in Ff. Thanks
Did the grease fitting fix the problem? I have an 850 that is locked in neutral.
@@codyandbarbarakillingswort5546 well...there is still snow on the ground here, won't likely be using it until May, but I'm confident it won't make it worse 😉👍
Amazing video, thank you so much for uploading this. If anyone wants the break down of the whole machine, sears still has their website up where you can look up your specific machine and get the owners manual and parts break down.
You are a good " mec - a nec " An a good instructor..
Thank you for all your work to bring this repair
To us
The design hasn't changed much over 40 years. Can't believe I paid $700 in '86 for repair parts. While my old tiller used a cork gasket, the newer one does not. I was watching this video to see what was used as a sealant, but it ended before it was assembled.
I'm in the process of opening my case up to replace the wheel axle (same design as the one in the video). I removed one of the larger bolts from the bottom rim and discovered a broken piece that was attached on the other side, under the nut. However, there is no part shown on my schematic.
You mentioned using marine grease. My specs reference to 22oz. of a bentonite grease; not inexpensive. Same stuff?
Thank you for the video; seems the shifter shaft rusting up is not uncommon.
The only reason I was using marine grease was it’s water resistant. I never saw a spec. that called for the use of the grease you’re talking about. I had paper gasket but it was in bad shape and had ripped in a couple places so I topped it off with some of that liquid gasket, It comes in a tube.
@@georgerogero3185 Thank you for replying.
I got my case separated yesterday. No gasket; they used a bead of sealant (akin to Flexseal) on the inside lip.
I also noticed that a silicone adhesive was used to hold the flange bearings in place .
I'll research marine grease. They use the bentonite grease because it doesn't melt at high temperatures. Mine looked contaminated.
Noticed damage on the case from hitting granite cobbles (salvaged 2 tons in 3 months). There's room for me to add wear plates to protect the case from further damage.
The axle & tine shafts both required filing where the holes were; a bit of distortion from the shear pins.
The chain to the tine shaft was sloppy, but not enough to remove a link. The seals on that shaft will need to be replaced. No idea how to remove them, except with a dremel. I'll know more when the parts arrive.
I did not find any filings in the case. The axle broke clean; the only collateral damage was a thrust washer.
Thanks for this video! i just walked in from tearing down this same tiller. mine seems to have the same issue as yours.
How long did it take you and did you have to replace any parts?
It took about 2.5 hours to get it down to just the transmission, still have to take the cases apart and see what’s up inside
Thx ALOT! 👍👍👍👍 It really helped.
Thanks, you've saved me some time!
Thank you. I just picked this up for $25 because it won't shift. Now I know how to fix it
Good information in your video. Very helpful. Mine is stuck in reverse. My 11yr old son and I are gonna try and fix it. Thank you.
How did it turn out?
I gotta do that too. Just took mine apart one of the bearings or worn washers was making it screaming noise when it was in drive forward or reverse.
Thank you huge help! Same problem with mine.
Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you sir.
Thanks so much for making this video how to assemble the transmission for this kind of tiller I got one with the same problem and I just got apart so now I need to clean it out put back together and grease it, hopefully it's not too hard
Make sure you use a magnetic to check for washers
excellent clip. just what i needed. thanks
Dutch man from Europe THANKS 👍
Nice video. I lost track of where the washers went. I did notice when putting the new gasket on that there is an emboss in the covers and the gasket goes across the corner of it there isn`t clearance to have the gasket covering that area. I think that is holding the top of the frame open enough to let it leak in the top of the frame. I cut the new one around it. the gasket has a lot of extra material in that area. the old gasket had a very compressed shape of this emboss when I took it off.
Absolute life saver thank you so much great video
Might I add this works on Husqvarna 500 crt with the Honda 5.0 motor again thank you so much
I wouldn’t say lifesaver but thanks for the comment just make sure you don’t lose any of the washers. I almost lost some because they were buried in the grease but before I threw the grease away I took a magnet and made sure I found everything. Let me know how it turns out
Great video mine is stuck in drive and the pin won't move at all. Now i know what i got to do thanks.
good luck, let me know how it turns out.
Gracias por la explicación me fue de gran ayuda❤❤❤
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I was wondering where I could get a break down of parts like you show on video, I have my apart due to being stuck in gear, and working on putting it back together and I'm not sure on a couple of washers. And your video is a great!! Thank you!!
Ronald Kleinsasser glad it helped.
GREAT VIDEO!!! Should be a GREAT HELP.THANK YOU! Donald Abshire
Little sister just dropped her tiller off for me to fix, Glad I found this video. I'll let you know how it went. Hers wont go forward of reverse but the tiller does work, I am thinking a chain problem? It rolls back and forth about a foot unpowered.
if it is stuck in forward with the tiller working and you can't shift it to another position it is the pin. The chain is only to run the tiller so if the tiller is working it is not the chain. good luck
This one does shift, @@georgerogero3185. I will let you know when I get it open. what I find.
You got me stumped
got it open.. broken drive chain to the wheels. Sister is a bit hard on things. LOL
I forgot about the drive chain. She is ruff.
I'm wondering, on these types of transmission if it is possible to seal them up well enough to put oil in the case instead of grease. The oil would do a better job of lubricating the internals. if it would work, where would you recommend putting the drain plug and the fill-vent plug. How much oil do you figure you would need for it. I figure with all the gears moving around in there the oil would splash coat the internals.
i don't have any suggestions. the grease works fine if you have enough. i don't know how you could seal it up all of the way.
great video, thanks for sharing it
If you have a welder and a angle grinder you can cut a small place out near the shaft entrance then use a screwdriver to get in there and wiggle the shaft while you are activating the shaft to get the rust to let loose then weld the piece you cut out back. Remember to just spot it then seal with some form of liquid metal addhesive!
Exelent. Thank you!!!
Can you please tell me what it means if it keeps going out of gear and the blades stop turning? It runs perfect but once I put it in F to turn the blades it will go for about 5 seconds then the blades will stop turning.
SNIPIEE sorry but I don’t know off the top of my head. I can’t find the part number but the block that does the shifting has a ball bearing with a spring that pushes the ball bearing into grooves on the shaft that hold the shifter in place from what I remember. That’s all I can tell you.
A cap on top of the shifter and a larger piece at the bottom to shed the water would help.
This looks exactly like my tiller transmission except mine has one more gear than this one. In the documents its listed as dirt idler gear part #161528 .and the tiller is 917293493. Not sure of why the gear was added or if it is new model because if I reference both your tiller number and my tiller number it says the replacement transmission is the same one.
Does it till in reverse?
Good video... About to crack mine open! was hoping you were going to say just bang it with a sledge hammer and it'll work....LOL Very helpful!
Just keep track of the washers. I used a magnet to check the grease and found one that I almost threw away.
@@georgerogero3185 Oh I'm on it. Just got it cracked open tonight. Big grease mess. I'm going to figure out how to clean it up tomorrow. Wish I had made a parts washer, but kept putting that project on backburner...lol... First thing I do see is my smaller chain is broken. I did not fish around in the grease mess too much to really get a good look. I think I have all the washers, but will triple check against your video to be sure tomorrow. Again. Thanks for the video!
Their were some washers I didn’t show
How did u clean it that well ?
Thank u
I’ve got mine taken apart due to the drive chain breaking. What is the best way to clean all the gears?
Robey Smith grease, elbow grease that is. I just used a lot of break fluid.
Robey Smith like I tell everyone, make sure you don’t throw away a washer in all that grease. Keep the grease and go over it with a magnet just to make sure.
Also may I ask . How did you get everything so clean ? Very impressed with how every thing looks brand new.
Very nice
I took it all apart and used break cleaner.
What a great video! I appreciate all the details. I do have a question I hope you can answer concerning the spring and ball in the shift fork. What order do they go in? The parts diagram shows the ball first but that doesn't make sense to me as this would put the spring next to the shaft.
Sorry I can’t help you. I forgot that part.
The spring and ball in the shift fork . The spring has to go in the hole First then the ball. The shaft that the shift fork rides on has lobes (gear selection) it has to have the ball bearing to shift smoothly.
I have the same gear box. Just got it apart. Same exact gear box. My issue is , mine grinds when driving . In any gear. It goes in and out while using it, but sounds terrible . It still works, and goes in all gears. It even grinds in neutral. I don’t know what part to replace there doesn’t appear to be anything wrong once I got it apart. Other than extremely excessive grease like extreme .... gobs and gobs . I did notice the axle had some side to side slack before I disassembled it. I think when moving it some of the drive gears would shift around and run against something else . WhAt would cause that..... a worn bushing or missing spacer. There is very little info on fillers with these size gear boxes
I don't know what would cause that unless someone else took it apart and mixed up the washers or left one off. It is normal to have gobs and gobs of grease and that causes the problem when you take it apart. You really have to look closely to the grease to make sure you don't miss a washer. I thought that I got them all but when i used a magnet to check, I found one more.
@@georgerogero3185 10-4. The axle rides on plastic bushing/hub type things. The part is listed as a bearing and it does support the axle like a bearing but it doesn’t move. I ordered replacements for those those . I had washers for every hole on both sides of the case. I’ll have to get a diagram to make sure I have them all. It’s a one owner tiller . Nobody been in it but me. I’ve had it 8 years but I only tilled with it the first 3 years I had it. I was getting ready to sell it when I noticed the noise. I’m gunna replace those hubs and the gasket and fill it to the brim with grease again. If it still does it.... I reckon I’ll part it all out
I got the same problem on mine , are you able to find a replacement chain?
I didn't need a chain but i got the part i needed from Craftsman/sears
I hope you have waited 3 years to put this back together. I want to see the Put Back Together video
I put it back together and it runs fine
So you have to put a new gasket when you put it back together are can you use gasket seal
John Walters I used the same seal even though it was broken in several places. I talked to my shade tree mechanic and he said use the liquid gasket. I used both. All your trying to do is keep the water out and the grease in.
@@georgerogero3185 yea those tillers need a grease fitting on them
John Walters. I had to buy a new gasket. Tried to save the one on it but it tore is 2 places. You can get it at PartsTree.com part #164396 $8.37. There are also many other parts for this transmission on the website as well as a schematic to help you figure how it goes together.
Did you replace the gasket between the 2 halves or use silicone gasket?
I think I used the old gasket and used silicone.
George Rogero thanks
Thank you for this.
Hi I have this tiller mine does not seem to lock into a Pacific gear do you have any idea what it could be please regards tommy
It is hard to guess with out more specific information. Is it working but just does not stay in the proper gear or are you shifting and noting happens. I am not an expert but i don't think that it matters because you are going to have to take it apart to fix it anyway. i have had a few people with broken drive chain but i don't think i have seen one that has a broken chain to the tiller. good luck and keep us posted. (I guess you mean specific not Pacific.)
This is my exact model I've had trouble getting it to shift since it was brand new now the wheels turn in forward and reverse but the tines don't turn.
One person found a broken chain when they took it apart.
George . I have a tiller we ran for three feet hit a rock tillers won't come. Back on. So do you thinking ita the drive chain? We just bought a used one
It doesn’t sound good. I think you’ll probably have to take it apart. It must’ve been bad luck because I’ve had some pretty big rocks and kept going.
Do you know where we can find the drive gear (154355)?
I have a spacer left over and can;t figure out where it goes. It's about 1 inch long and a 1/2 inch in diameter.
just look at the video. i think that you will have to find the parts diagram to see where they go.
@@georgerogero3185 Thanks. I took it back apart and figured it out. Your video was very helpful.
Thank you,needed info
Sure glad I filled the tank with fresh fuel, and replaced the tires, before finding out that mine is stuck in neutral!
You referenced another video before this one where you took this one apart. I'm not finding it, did I misunderstand? What's supposed to be inside, oil or grease? Great video.
Grease on the inside. i don't know the particular video you are asking about but when i first went on the internet I could not find video that showed the parts because they never cleaned off all of the grease. That is why i decided to do my video.
@@georgerogero3185 I must've misunderstood your comment @1:50 in the video. I thought you were referring to an earlier tear down video on this tiller.
I guess I got lucky! I beat on the gear pointer with a hammer and sprayed it with PB Blaster. No luck. Let it sit overnight and decided to tear it down this morning. I used a hammer and punch to try to remove the roll pin that connects the rod to the gear selector. I was amazed it freed up. Was hard to shift last year, now it shifts like new!
I don't have a storage shed so this thing has been sitting outside 24/7/365 for the past 10 years. It still starts up on the first pull come spring, so I'm happy!
@@patburt9558 Just change the oil every 25 hours. i added a timer to mine for a few dollars.
Is this the same as a Roper? Are there other videos? My Roper has the same problem.
I have no idea but look up some parts online and you should be able to compare the parts. i think that one company made that one model for many companies with companies putting different decals and possibly different motors on them.
Reassembled transmission case but is there any info on how freely the gears should turn?
not really/ you can see from my video how easily it is for me to rotate the gears.
Do you know where I can get a Gear and sprocket assembly
- Part #102121X. Craftsman no longer shows this part being made by the manufacturer. Any help would be greatly appreciated, my Gear and Sproket assembly failed on a good tiller.
Part updated to 532102121. Yes, hard to locate. Found at SleEquipment.
I’d like to know too I can’t find the part anywhere in the world!
Thanks,
Glad that i found your video. My father inlaw just dropped the same tiller off today and asking if i could fix it.
His gear switch just turns, but you can tell that there's nothing moving inside. I'm assuming that the notch on the gear adjuster has came off somehow within the housing.
DolittleMccoy That doesn’t sound right. First check the Clevis pin that connects the shifter to the shaft. 2nd check the belt. I don’t see how anything on the inside could break and produce the symptoms you described. www.searspartsdirect.com/part-number/164329/0071/917.html?modelNumber=917299020&categoryName=Rear%20Tine,%20Gas%20Tiller&brandName=CRAFTSMAN
@@georgerogero3185 what belt and where
@@bugzziee the drive belt is the on the outside under the cover that connects the engine to the transmission
@@georgerogero3185 probably to late to the party to get a response but this is the problem I've having with mine currently.
When you push/pull the lever there is a huge amount of play. It's currently stuck in reverse. When I move the lever toward neutral and further the shift just spins and never switches gears. The pin you mentioned is good. I knocked it out so I could move the shaft by hand without the indicator. The shaft spins almost freely and in and out of the case about an inch. The shift and gear are not locked up like I've seen in every video I can find but free moving instead.
@@josephhalfacre1584 I get notifications. Looking back it did sound like the exterior belt. I’ve had mine come off also. I replaced the screws that hold the cover on with screws that have the wingnut top so I can take the belt cover on and off easily
Where did you order replacement parts? The double sprocket and shaft are bad on my unit.
sears? just put in the model number in duckduckgo and it should pop up
Not where the pivot, but where it slides right? The shift shaft needs sanded ahy?
Like I said in the video: If you have rust on the shafts that the tillers or tires are on you are going to have a hard time if it is not impossible to removing them. I took a wire brush and drill and cleaned the shafts and then I followed up with crocus cloth.
@@georgerogero3185 the shift shaft where it's hard to see. slides gears into place. Was that a problem George
I am sort of guessing , but this vidio could be used on the huskee tillar . the contruction is the same , however i have not attemped to open the tranmission case as yet. i have the same problem as "dolittles" the gear lever goes into the tillar position , but nothing happens. some thing must be broke inside . after some asking around there is no one to work on it and the labor will "eat your lunch" that is if whoever can find the parts needed.
any way , God bless and Merry Christmas, Stan
It is not that hard to work on and the only reason that it cost so much to get it repaired is that it takes so long to take apart and put back together and with all of the grease it is a big mess. Just make sure that the pin that connects the shift arm and the shaft that goes through the frame is not sheared off. It is easy to find all of the parts on line. #1 make sure that you clean off the rust and gunk on the wheel and tiller shafts so that it comes apart easier. #2 don't lose any of the washers in all of the grease and keep track of where they all go. (I almost lost one washer in the grease when I was cleaning it up. Don't take the gears all apart if you don't have to. The only reason that I did was that I wanted to make the video.) #3 if you have to replace the rubber gasket just go to your local auto parts store.
Thanks for the great info! Just tore mine down to this point (what a pain) and man, that grease/rust really is everywhere. Did you order a replacement gasket for the transmission case or did you just RTV it?
Eric G I just did the gasket in a squeeze tube and put duct tape on the top seam where the two halfs come together. You are just trying to keep the water out.
Where do you Buy Parts ?
Do you remember the part number for the leaver?
No
Like so many others…. rust in the shaft hole. I’m gonna use some penetrating oil, tap tap tap, time and some optimism! We’ll see if I can get it freed up without splitting the trans halves.
Should the tiller wheels spin freely when the gearbox is in nuetral
Yes but the pointer that tells you what gear it is in is not all that accurate. You might have to play around with it to see where neutral really is.
@@georgerogero3185 well I’ll put it in neutral and it won’t let me push it and reverse won’t work but forward and forward with tines was working as well any ideas?
@@smallenginerepair7921 I don't have a definitive answer but it sounds like the shifter is not working all the way. The only way to find out is take it apart. Depending on how much you use it, it might not be worth it if you can live without the neutral or reverse.
@@georgerogero3185 I had it pulled apart yesterday verified all the gears would work before I put the other part of the case on, put everything back together she went into reverse twice then quit! And I can’t get it to roll freely in neutral but the transmission is in neutral because it doesn’t move when I have it there! Forward and forward with tines works great
WHERE CAN I BUY PARTS HAVING A TOUGH TIME LOOKING !?
I just looked on line.
I have and to no availability
Do, is it worth it to fix?
s buchanan like everything it depends on what is broken and what you’re time is worth. Mine is, what I think, is what is normally the problem. It is not a difficult repair but you have keep at it and it will take 3 or 4 hours to take it apart and put it back together At least for most people who are taking their time.
Any video or diagram on how these gears go together and where the washers go?
On the internet. You can see a parts diagram at the start of the video
@@georgerogero3185 took mine apart and it all fell out. Lol. Have no idea where to put any of these washers.
@@TylerHankss if i remember only one washer was different. look up a parts diagram and you should be able to figure it out. just use the model number and put in parts.
@@TylerHankss Just make sure you get all of the washers. i keep telling every one to check the grease with a magnet so that you get all of them.
@@georgerogero3185 thanks for the info. My model is the yellow one and so far I’ve found 3 different sized washers… lol. Can’t find any info on my particular model. It’s the 917294482. This one seems to be rare. Everyone seems to have the black model one.
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Volume is too low. If it was too loud they can always turn it down, but when it's too low you can turn it up high enough.
Salve. ti chiedo scusa in anticipo, ho montato il mio motocoltivatore guardando questo video ma ma non funziona nel senso che le marce vanno perfettamente, ma non succede nulla. l0avevo smontato per la prima volta e non avevo rifermento per montarlo e ho trovato questo video. ho montato esattamente come nel video. HO UN MOTOCOLTIVATORE MCCULLOCH MRT6 mi puoi confermare che non c'è nessun errore di ingranaggi nel tuo viceo, di come vanno montati. grazie
Sto usando un traduttore. La tua motozappa potrebbe essere diversa dalla mia. Sembra che la macchina non stia uscendo dalla folle. Mostro il cambio a 2:30 e a 3:02 mostro la posizione neutra. Buona Fortuna
@@georgerogero3185 Chiedo scusa, il suo video e grazie al quale mi ha prmesso di Risolvere. Avevo montato un ingranaggio all'incontrario. stamani ho controllato meglio e funziona tutto adesso. solo grazie a lei e sono qui per ringraziarla. un saluto e grazie anche per la risposta.
There should be an o-ring in that shifter tube. That's what is supposed to keep moisture out. These transmissions were a poor design in my opinion.
Bring it in when finished
Thumbs up from me.?
Is that the green 6.5 hp tiller?
No
@@georgerogero3185 imagin but lego tho
excellent video. My tiller will not stay in gear. I suspect the dog leg that does the shifting may have a worn tit that rides the groove. Has anyone opened the case by penetrating the shell around the shifter?
Brother nice video. Your explanations are very clear and made things a lot easier thank you so much
where did u get the diagram.....I need one for Craftsman 917.294480 thx
I just googled it
@@georgerogero3185 thx but not as detailed as I need it
Anti-seize compound.
Imageon but legos
Not a snitch
Craftsman junk that little chain that drives the wheels breaks easy, don't even take the junk out of the store
I don’t know why you would say that. I am beating the crap out of mine. I kick up rocks the size of a bowling balls that jam the tines and that stops the engine. I’ve broken #8 bolts that hold the tines on twice.
Waayyy too complicated.
I have a rototiller from the 1950s that does power forward and power reverse using 5 pulleys and 2 belts.
Lego gears